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welcome everyone to the fourth weapon, our and our total Siris. Um, Andi this weapon or will be focused on academic achievements. So, um, we'll be sort of focusing on how to fulfill the actinic achievement section of the portfolio, including how to get involved in research and some tips in search of tricks to, um, getting out there in terms of published publications, um, taking part in research projects, everything like that. Um, so, first of all, we'll give you a little bit of a welcome from the E. P s. So we're the Advair University Pediatric Society. Andre were a sort of group of students who are interested in all things pediatrics. So throughout the year, we run quite a busy schedule. Who's staying tutorials, talk socials, fundraising events and all things like that to raise money for the add, um, Children's health is a charity on. On the right side, right hand side here is a cure code, which you can scan to get membership on different sort of little perks for vomiting pounds onda. So, in addition to the events that were running tonight, um, we have our very exciting ups and teddy bear hospital charity Kayleigh that is coming up on the 21st of April on did here. We will also be phrasing funds for the Advair Children's Hospital. Retty, Um, again, we have our weapon, ours. So we have the total Siris, which is tonight, and we'll be continuing into next week. Um, and we also have tomorrow our Year five revision weapon are that will be coming up. So anyone who is, um, in your five per currently studying for the pediatric section off your fiber Welcome to come. But if anyone else's interested, um, you're also welcome. Um, on. Make sure to keep an eye out for any of her future events. Opportunities updates, um, through all of our social because which are down here but can also be found. Um, there are linked tree Any other, um, bits and bulbs there on. Yeah, it has been posted by changing. And the chat. See, you can follow the link there. Um, so And to so to tell you about more about add, um, a Children's hospital charity. Um, this charity has been our primary charges. The UPS race ones for for the past, I think since the society was formed, a few years ago. Um, but the E C H C aims to transform the lives of Children through complementing the work off the R H c I p as well assay other child health care settings across got friend. So they pride themselves with the motto off child First patient second on D h E C H c. Is involved in a letter of initiatives on Onda. Yeah, they've helps to support families of sick Children. So again, if you can scan the cure cold below here on, all the donations will go to the C H. C. On. There is also a link that has being kindly provided in the chat by changing. So to move on to what we're actually doing today, which is our weapon, I, um, feel free to ask any questions in the chat. Um, as participants, you will be unable to, um, you'd yourselves or turn your cameras are, um, but any inappropriate language or any offensive content that is said or put in the chat will result. You being removed from the session on you will also be banned from from participating in any other future UPS events because we want to keep this is friendly as possible, and and we want to make sure everyone has a valuable experience. So, um, we will now be moving on to, um, our first, um, talk that is being given by Dr Thomas Millions who is a register in respiratory pediatrics on Doctor. Few know McQuaid, um, who is an ST six pediatric trainee. So if you blow Gosh, that is not the right thing. And but if I allow, um, Doctor McQuaid and, um, Doctor Williams to share their screen and start it, would that would That would begin. Thank you. Lovely. So kind of I check kind people. See this The first? Yes. We can see your screen. Would you possibly be able to make it fill screen? What I am attempting today is now Okay, that we go. Lovely. Good. Yes. So welcome, everyone. Teo Webinar for where? We're gonna be looking at the academic achievement research side of the application for Thomas. And I'm going to be a bit of a double act, and I'll do a bit of introduction. Thomas will take over and then we'll finish. And but just to introduce ourselves, Thomas joints just on Mutant, You can do your we in true about yourself first, anything like that. I did not see some people here might have told us I feel better in the straw on, but I'm currently training in respiratory That thinks so looking. It was pretty issues like fear. And I have just this piece de couple years ago on, but we're looking to apply for kind of more substantive fellowship, so, like a chance to do more research. So hopefully we confuse you with their excitement for research. So we both have things very much. Thomas Select Thomas and I am he don't trade E and currently s t six and working instead. Kids and they're number. We're both also clinical lectures. And what that means in reality is that we are completely or PhDs and we have roughly 20% of our time is allocated for research and then the rest of the clinical side of things as well. And we both got different interests which will probably touched on throughout their seminar. And but having introduced ourselves and what we would like to do is, we'd like to find out a little bit more and a about you, but first of all I do weight. So what? The brief? We were given Waas to tell you how to maximize the point that you can score on your the research part of your ST one applications, Thomas. I have decided to have a little bit more realistic approach to this, and we're both accredited passion about research on We are incredibly a passionate about encouraging other people into research particular within pediatrics. So we're actually gonna spend quite a little bit about time talking about that and why we think it's really, really important. But pediatricians are involved to research, and I'm still going to do that bid. And then I'm gonna get into the little gritty of what you actually need to do in terms of your application. Along the way, we'll talk a little bit about what we did and the virus opportunities we found on higher. Like how you might be able to find some opportunities as well. And I'm just in case anyone's wondering about this slide. The little cell in the bottom was what kept me going during a very tough part of my PhD. When I look cell culture one day down at my Humira, poetic stem cells. And I found this to the one smiling up with me on that sort of gave me a little bit of a boost when I needed that. And so what we'd like to do just to help us tailor this a little bit is finding out a bit more about you. And so I'm gonna ask close to you if you could do the pool Now, we just got three quick questions. And so the first question is, we just inter what stage you are. And hopefully we've covered most of the bases. Here is basically are you the prefilled of Year Post Clinical Foundation? Oh, are you after that class? You know, I'll let you end that when you think we've got everyone. Is everyone on stillborns answers through? Yes. Okay, fantastic. So let's well, it eso we have looks and over half, and they're sort of presumably the clinical year. In the later years of medical school, we've got a fair few in the early stages and a smattering off foundation and post foundation your doctors as well. Thank you for that. So we do the next question. Onda. Next question. When it comes up, we just interested in finding out I get a game roughly where you are, just a few more he could to answer. MM, call stuff. Great. So I can respect the majority in at number on a couple from elsewhere. It is fantastic. And then just the final question. And we are interested in finding out a little bit about how much experience you have in research. I would like to say that publication's are know everything in research, and, to be honest, I would be expecting is the vast majority have none, but it's a crude metric of roughly how much experience you have. Any research? How just met a few more people. Answer. And then I'll share the results. Thank you. It's like That's okay. Fantastic. Great. Okay, so and I think that's probably very much what we would expect for the stage that people are around. And I'm actually really glad, but no one has taken 10 plus publications because that would just make me feel very inadequate. Fantastic. So we'll finish the pool now, Onda and we will go to handover to Thomas for the next. Why we should do a result can ever hearing Okay, so you can, you know? Yes, we can hear you having so, as a saphenous sent our brief was to try and maximize your points the application. But we thought that's the mercenary and heartless and we thought we should do says it's easier with the importance off why you should be research on whatever serious set. So my brief is to persuade you that do me such is fun. Ondimba forten. So whether there's t three, some research that I did, which is very different is in pediatrics primate, if anything that you do in the rest of your medical careers. But I think I'll use the example. Trump's ready that do you just give yourself? It also gives you a skills very helpful in your medical careers and into another form of research. So maybe you could be the next life, you know? No. So my face piece de about year and a half ago, and I did it in self replication, which is how salt avoid Onda. I wanted that I would love that science kind of very basic science on. Do I look for the simplest system like find civilian expressed humans? Other people do experiments in in my salt and hold your experiencing human cells. I thought the simplest thing would be experiencing yeast because I used to work with the red cheap and there's kind of if you mess up, then you could just start again next day around having toe worry about what potentially their patients or then my saw dying humans else. So I researched was looking at our in Indiana. You know what these are? Are a robo nuclear assets is what we used transit the messages and DNA is deoxyribonucleic assets. It's pretty. It's, um, and aside, you know, and whole lot about them. Before I started this project right in there, they were difference on there. No, actually, lot different. If you look at this screen on, the art is read, the deal is in green, and there's only really one difference between the two molecules. Differences in the tea prone group of the carbon chain the the drivers change. There's a hydroxyl group in the Army and know hydroxyl group in the DNA. The hydroxyzine roommates that are really much were active because it combined other chemicals and your knee is much less, um stable and DNA. This is something very relevant for us because, um, curve, it's a soft copy to use and already virus. And the reason it dies so quickly went from surfaces or out in a resume is concern is it's great frequently so next, like please, how about, uh, people find out, engage with these biochemical figures of my spaces are in Indiana, So I would like to have a simpler for experiment research people on. But I had a meeting with a colleague and he said I had some cognitive. Now gels give you said no, no, you did really, really simple, like Lego and deep level. Actually, it's perfectly so. I'm next year. So using this system of thinking your your DNA is your leg locks. Your RNA is your deeper blocks, so they're very similar to come in the same colors of fact, just about fit together. They don't fit together particularly well. So So, yeah, so that's why I use on then, if we think about DNA replicating before DNA is ourselves and to make new cells, we have to create perfect copy of our DNA on dumb. You think about your your leg go straight and has created a mirror image leggos trends because our only Indiana so similar, although sometimes you could miss a corporate already too. So you can end up with that Allegra strong with a piece of plaque in it. As with most things apology, there's a assistant fix s citizen ends Uncle are headaches too, which goes to your DNA and and takes out the different types of the army to make sure the left just the Diovan a problem with having them too much. Lego two months stealing have two at 200 Duplo RNA and your DNA is a 7 40 Unstable. She and that would great, unstable, unstable DNA, which is bad generally for DNA. So the ends I'll attack stroke issues and uncle are needs 82 which is present in organisms East humans evil dance next life. So the question asked Waas, in the absence of our release to you So this is our disease to discover. Careful, builder, take a little deeper. Oh, occasionally has been a break. What would happen to the DNA antibody? Romney? Thirds incorporates been test comes the next life. And the answer is is that you know that this ends our our release to. It's removes. There are any, um, you know, with DNA is trying to go waiting much are any So let us try to, uh, do you blow on? That's unstable. It took me a long time to build that strand because the do play doesn't attacked. It's actually leg particular on if you look closely. You see, I've cheated because the instead of one piece of like, attaching the blue block to the end of the bottle, actually t piece of leg, um, attaching to have the accidents and Bluetec in there to keep it together. The point is, is that if you have the strap with too much are in a it's really unstable on because a lot of damage to yourself on. But he was as disease. In fact, whether our easiest isn't working on you, you end up with a lot of our friendships. There's so much damage, DNA. Next time, please. So my question waas if you took a heart disease, too, and you have these, um, bits of our knee you started teeny. Um, could the cell reason We know that cells can remove them with other enzyme called top stories. One Oh, on So this ends our called top of his one cuts of the RNA cuts the upstream, um over the gap on. Then that gap leaves toe permanent change in the DNA to get mutation that DNA for future generations it happens to be in these particular short segments of of TNF, we get runs in the same repeating sequences. So 80 80 your T C T C. It's quite complicated toe conceptualize to be about a year to get my head around, just this foot figure. But the point is, is that if our headaches, too, isn't present, there's this other enzyme that can get rid of the ironies. But it doesn't quite dirty way on the next light. So essentially, this is the kind of schematic four happens is, if you've got too much, are on a new unity. What people a Lego your top part's always one, which is the Star Wars counter can get rid of. It's pretty messy, just kind of bull is his food and makes it really messes. It clears that are in a so the question that we have waas is that we could see the East. Um, we could see the fact that these mutations of caused when our days a two years and president by took some race? Um, well, we see the same thing in the human cells. So is this finding that we find in east relevant for human cells that the implications of that for humans are This could be a cause of mutations which course disease in in humans and also kind of Or if I'm wondering, is this is the mechanism for absolution happens this amputation to generate a DNA to lead to evolution, to lead to a new species new life forms that this could be a pretty fun going to process. And how you take is happy. So we are so question on we find out the answer wars. Yes, the same press does happen to him Selves on next lot. And so this hypothesis, it waas a cool short leash is a human gene. And and then we showed it. Waas. And then next lot we published this some a couple years. Government's good as far appears to work. It was nice to see the work to be done, building with hypothesis with a very simple starting model. Shame kind of. It happened the human cells and relatives evolution on human diseases and and also cancer of that. So you may think, Well, very interesting. Not really love pediatrics. Why bother? And if you don't think that, then you drive much. All my colleagues, a listen to my talks. This is their feedback from the talks I gave. Um, we gave talks that will give feedback on, but they always have things like, uh, nice recess. Trouble spelling. What's the importance for more common diseases? Not understanding. Take relevance. I just don't see why it's relevant for patients or just bundling what's going for relevance. And I think it was put most importantly by my son, who is, I think, seven of the time, he said, Daddy, why he's been in time, your PST when you could be saving lives enough for on. But I just want to be me spent our loves. Complete waste on Pointless. But I could be out there resuscitated babies resemble, so my job is tow. Persuade the addition to say the baby's eyes hostels. It's also important to the research on. I think fact essential on is great. We've got so many medical student's here because hopefully your get some research dot Now you have papers. And then by the time we applied for foundation years or, um, pediatrics training, you start to build a really good research profile. That means even carry on doing it or with your training in winter, the particle consultants and then professors. So this be thinking about why basic start matters, I think matters toe us an individual, and I think it matters to society more generally. So on the right there is a on Twitter screen shot from a trial that I'm feeling, and I were involved in which code vaccine draw June 2020. It's pretty exciting time the vaccine to be role. That and there's a huge amount of goodwill, from conditions to recruit people to the trial and then also from medical staff to volunteer as on vaccine candidates. So so we screened about 1000 people get in. The Oxford vaccine was told that to be really effective within the UK thoughts, um, without the basic science. No, he's actually very possible, So these are for exceptional scientists lost 100 years. I'll just talk through how their contributions made the vaccine in 2020 said Barbara Clinton was Americans artist. She looked amazed. You net IX. She did fine and chromosomes worked on Had DNA worked in maze and then eventually also that the same thing happened in human cells. Rosen Frank clinically know she was a bar chemist. London. She said she had her ideas next by what's in the creek regarding the double stranded. He likes nature of DNA Onda tragedy. She died from, uh, I think the key mia all information probably a result of the extra nation that she incurred in her research. But she was on the first converted if I had DNA restructured. Um, then we've got Kathleen characters. I'm Gary by chemist. She had this wall idea that you could create proteins in humans by injecting the art and humans that would code for the protein. That sort of having stating and then June starts helps to understand how the are in a in yourselves, gets translated into proteins. So without these four scientists, it would be such a very far away from any clinic we went to that stage where we could develop on already have actually was essentially a better way to go out. No, quite normal back, Almost normal after two years of this global pandemic. Great. Excellent. So these my reasons, I think why being involved in science is a good thing for you and your colleagues on for, um just the world generally. So it's nice to contribute toward the side if you never I don't think fear I we'll ever feel that we've made huge advances, but it's nice to be part of that group of people who have making tiny steps towards hopefully change. You're on 10 of the world works. Oh, I think being a scientist makes you get better condition. I said, If I come back from GST, you don't have to think really clearly logically in the very focused way, which I'm not sure that's what it did before PST on then you You can't deeply understand analogy results that you have to turn prescription, and that's really helped folks, if someone asked you about test has been done, or about what it means, you can go back to your first principles and think. Actually, I had this test work. I do have limitations are all I can explain to you whether or not this test is significant, for for you in this context, Um, And while I tease my colleagues who are teasing me about a little relevance being condition does me they have a really unique vision and angle. We need to be such You kind of understand the challenges are right there. You know what's going to be big difference to your patients on? Do you could bring the expertise in into the lab or into the the kind of that that the academic group and say, Actually, what you find interesting is not gonna be relevant for collisions because of a B and C Oh, also, I think you'll find you come doctors being conditions. Very rewarding job. Um, but actually, what you can do is very limited day today. You can help people about it. You can if they're a sink. Actually, the better of a lot of time. We see patients who are very sick and only a better, or we see patients who use these problems started a long time before, and we just end products of a whole kind of string of difficult second size of their lives. Um, and even if your best condition, the world work 12 14 16 hours day every other week. You're not going to make a big change. Too many people. You're not gonna really address those big challenges in modern medicine on on. The way to do that is to think about how to address his records. Is either research or social change so hopeful? Actually, the science is fun. That's important to you, and it's important to the world on. Now I'll handle it. Fiona, who's going to give you a blow blow kind of had to be a really successful academic pediatrician. Thanks very much that time. So hopefully that has given you a little bit of a flavor about why we feel it. Research is so important on in particular this sort of basic science research that might not be so much on your radar If you are very pediatric reminders, I think this is really important because it's been identified by the Row College of Pediatrics that within our specialty, we do not have a really good base off academic people and particularly in the basic sciences. And it's really important that we are able to infuse people, particularly at the stage, that year at to start looking into different types of research. And but what you probably already here, Teo hear about is the kind of nuts and bolts about how you can get into pediatrics in the first place. So I'm going to talk a little bit about that, and hopefully you may already be aware of these two documents. But these air absolutely fantastic resource is for your applications, and it's absolutely vital that you look at them. Oh nem one side. We have the person specifications, so the links there at the bottom on it's basically on specialty training website are exactly what they're looking for. So what do they want from people who are going into pediatrics? What do you have to persuade them? That you are this type of person, uneven best from the other side and the role closure Pediatrics and Child Health website. If you go into the Education Careers section and click on applying for ST one pediatrics, you have score. She's that give you a literal itemized check list of what you need to do on this place would research it, and we're going to go into the details of that in a minute. But it's also for across the board as well suggest in case you didn't have these documents, the's a really important one is to look at. So let's go through and see what are the essential criteria. So this is taken from the person Spect pediatrics were 2022. What do you have to persuade people scoring your application that you are capable of. And when we look at the research in order skills is quite simple. They want me to demonstrate an understanding of re stretch, including an awareness of ethical issues on they want you to demonstrate a knowledge of evidence informed practice. Okay, so these are the things when you're writing your waist whitespace questions people want you to demonstrate. But what does that mean in practice? Well, I think one of the most important things one the most important skills that everyone needs, regardless of whether you even to be a professional pediatrics or if you're going to be consulted working and district in the hospital, you have to be able to appraise the evidence on that doesn't just mean going out and reading the latest paper in the BMJ or Archives of Disease. In childhood, you have to be able to look at that and say, Is this a good paper or not? Because, believe it or not, just cause something has published in a peer reviewed paper. It doesn't necessarily mean that it's any good and there's lots of lots of different resource is out there. But this is sort of a classic one, which you may already be aware off and press the green hulls, who is a GP working on Oxford. And she had a professor. She wrote a book on how to read the paper, which is now in its six addition. And But if you don't want to read book, then the BMJ published a Siris of articles about how you could read a paper how you can critically appraise it A. Z well on these A really, really useful for you to look at, and I really encourage you, Teo get good understanding about how to understand the evidence that we have. And certainly when I applied for pediatrics, which is for over 10 years ago now, one of the stations within the interview process was that you would be given a paper and that you would have to appraise it there and then. So this is something that's expected that your level is well, so that's how to appraise the evidence. And when we're looking at the ethical side of things, all of these things in the person's beck are going to be taken from the General Medical Council, a good clinical practice guidelines as well. They specifically have a guidance on a good practice and research as well. And this is a document that's well worth and reading and becoming familiar with this well. So it's going to cover things that consent and capacity on how you go about the air unethical, a research project as well. So these are other another resource that I really recommend you have a look at. But then also, I think it's worth just thinking in a more general view about possibly questions that you might be asked, but also about things that will help you in your practice in general, On is useful to do this with the group. People in in sort of general journal clubs are unethical during up ethical sort of em at Utah. Really, I think about the different questions or certainly questions I have been asked within interviews is Is it ethical to do research on Children? No, I'm not a fool out for this one. But just how we think about it. Think about what might be the issues be. So should we actually be doing research on Children on baby to maybe can consent of? And for example, I I was a clinical research fellow working vaccine trials, and we heard 234 year old kids being brought by their parents to have a vaccine that was not yes, licence. We have some Children on there were having blood tests. I mean, was that even ethical? Now I would turn this question on its head and say, Actually, it's unethical to not do research on Children because, additionally, both Children, another group such a pregnant women have bean and excluded from research studies because it's a little know we have to protect these people on That's led to us the vest and when I'm in a vast majority. But a lot of the medications we use are are actually license for Children, or were you using them in unlicensed ways or we don't have the evidence to back it up, and that's because she wouldn't have been exploded from me such in the past. So I think it's really, really important that we do the best by patients and that doesn't fall doing research with Children. It is also, I think, about what things are different. So I only mentioned the consent to capacity issues. We also have to be thinking about reducing the burden of being involved in research of Children as well. So I think he's a question that's really worth Honduran and reflecting on so you would be able to answer them in an either on application form or in in few setting. So these are the essential criteria. But I'm pretty much guessing that the fact that you're sitting here in a seminar on Wednesday evening that you're probably gonna be wanting to go beyond the center criteria, so there's like a bit about what the desirable criteria, other things are going to make you stand out, and there's three different bets. So the first one is that you're able to provide evidence of relevant academic on research achievements, and so the examples they give a degrees prizes of wars, distinctions, that sort of thing, and I'm sure within Edinburgh that will be, you know, prizes and distinctions for, you know, doing the best and files and things like that as well. That's worth looking outside the box. Still, there are lots and lots of opportunities for competitions. They might be run by charities or, for example, here again, the role College of Pediatrics. Um, child health website. They're specific medical student or very early career prices that you can put in for, and now you don't unless it's great if you win these that you don't have necessarily have to. I certainly apply for some of them and wrote their essays and didn't win them. However, in just doing the process of that that give me a lot of insight, lot of time for reflection. I certainly used these in both my application forms and in the interviews as well. They also talk about having an integrated BSC masters or basically, if you taking time out to do another degree of some form. I also mentioned other degrees that relevant to this post that you might have done beforehand, for example, if you're a postgraduate medic and it doesn't really specify what it means by relevant to this pill, so I'm not sure if newness stating something a chemistry of our would have been relevant. But this is this is part taken from the scoring sheet that shows you. So if you do an interplay to degree, you're gonna get one point. If you do a PhD, you're gonna get four points. And Thomas may disagree. I do not think for the sake of doing two points, it is worth doing a PhD spending four years or three years of your life and working on on Ah, one single topic. But it just gives you a little bit of insight that if you have the option to do it integrated, PSP or not, you might want to consider taking a on. Finally, we have a this evidence of involvement in a research project that focuses either on patient safety, patient experience. Improvement on that demonstrates an interesting commitment and to the specialty, a swell. And so this is basically getting involved in research in some four. And here we had the storing form again. So you either just knew we start it all. But what I'm guessing you're aiming for is a good description of research projects. So this you have to demonstrate that you've been involved. How you been involved in the IV? Been involved with significant extent on that You've had some sort of output from it. So either a publication either is the first, the last order or unturned actual presentation. And but what you might be asking is how unearth do I do use up. So this is a little sort of map off how you might get involved in research and this is my own map. It's certainly not chronological. So I didn't start on the left hand side and go through through the right. But there are different. It's on things that you can sort of pick up. You go along, I'm going to put having at in here that when I apply for pediatrics, I had a single publication. Um, I was from my B S C and my B S. C. Was psychiatry on this publication was a letter in the British journal Psychiatry on a project. I done looking at a therapy for a hardcore drug users. He uses both heroin cocaine, which is really quite far from pediatrics. So I don't think that you necessarily have to be completely focus on pediatrics the whole time. I think it's really important that you're able to get involved with something and demonstrate one you can't unless we've sort of a little, too. That can be anything from the bench. So my PhD was a little bit different. Thomas. I did a huge amount cell culture. I cultured human what extent? Cells that genetically manipulated them. And I was looking at malaria a lot of times during down a microscope, and some of you might be doing that as honest projects. And that's brilliant. But you could also be doing clinical research. So I've already mentioned I spent a year as a clinical research l, um, with the after vaccine grip, and at that point we were looking in the millions cockle B vaccines. So we were going out. We were delivering the vaccines. The Children, before this was licensed, were taking blood for them, and they were looking at the immune response. That's and as Thomas has mentioned, we were also in the involved in the cooler trial much more recently as well. So these are ways you can get involved in clinical research, but there's also a huge opportunities all around you at the bedside, so you might find an interesting case. It doesn't have to be something super rare, but it could be a good example off a certain thing. For example, this I published it was a ah, vomiting baby. So a baby who presented and had interest perception when they recently have the rotavirus vaccine on. There's lots of places, for example, in the BMJ or in archives where you can put a little case reports and obviously is important that you get patient consent and that you have involvement of the other breast, the clinical team. There's lots of little opportunities there. You can also develop projects. So I am. I also did some work evaluating and you screening and initiative that mean introduced in a hospital. I was working and and it's not just doing the little survey to see what people thought of it. We took the survey, we designed it well, we designed it with a research framework in mind, were able to take that forward. We're publisher from it, and we were able to present as well. So I guess what I would say is, look for things that you can do on. Then think? Well, how can we make this into something a bit a little bit more robust as well? So I have to get involved in research. The one thing was, Thomas and I are becoming increasingly aware of Stickler when you're a clinical academic that you just don't have enough time to do anything. Have enthusiastic, competent medical student comes along to you and says, you know, kind of get involved. It's quite likely that a person you speak to is going to have something. It might be something like data entry or going through track. But these things are really important in there, a way that you can demonstrate that you're available that you infusing, asking if you do a really good job and you follow through them, you find that one thing leads to another as well. So do you ask around? But do they remind? The people are very busy and you might email out and you might not get a response. And don't be disheartened by that. It's nothing personal is just the other person didn't have anything and available at that point or any of the distant have time to respond. Keep asking. No, I'm not saying, said email after emails the same person. But just keep yourself open, asked the positions you're working with. You have a look of paper system. Maybe, you know, consider emailing the M. The research leads us well. Other side. I don't think it has to be pediatric specific this point that's not stipulated within the research rain because well, so if you get involved in really good project in adults and a knee and another specialty, then run with that as well. Onda make the most of your opportunities, so you might be asked you an order you might have to do. An Ortho is part of your urine medical student elective or something like that. But ever think you could. I designed this interval of a research project. We have to look at ethical, um, getting ethical approval. Could we take this and make this a little bit more? And for some places, for when I was in medical school, the B S C was an insulated BST was mandatory, but it's an option for other people. I think it's a really, really useful thing to do. I think it's a really good time to spend learning about research methods. It often these in order of projects and that kind of publications as well. So I think Do you be a see a spot of your medical degree is something I would definitely encourage. And I would also say, Publish anything. Okay, We're not expecting you to have huge high profile big papers. You could publish a letter response to someone in that someone's written. You can do presentation. You can publish case reports as well. On doing that, you're going to be holding your steals, your writing abilities on. That's gonna stand, you know, instead of the future as well. So just look a lot different opportunities. And for those who have had a row where ever your base, it's also worth looking outside and breads. Well, you know, there are other things you can do on. He might even want to go so far. Is that what you're foundation years or between your foundation use actually doing a clinical research fellowship? So from that single year in my research pressure, But I did. I ended up with seven first off the publications and and the business, a way to get to know people into network on due to get your skills going. And so just to summarize, probably were running a little bit out of time here. We believe the research is exciting, fun, and that is absolutely essential for everyone. Even if you don't intend to be a career academic, don't panic. If you do a huge high impact papers back showing that you're enthusiastic and want your capable about president. There are lots of opportunities, and it's good to keep asking with people on by the enthusiastic, I think probably going to be doing questions at the end closer. But I have to take anything specific now. Yeah, thank you very much for your very insightful talk about research. Unfortunately, our next speaker daughter join Martin is unable to talk anymore tonight just to work commitments so we'll just move straight onto the cure in a. So if anyone has any questions that they'd like to ask, feel free to just post it into the chat and and I will read them out. And if you don't want them, teo the questions to be out there in the chart for everyone to read, um, publicly, then you can send the questions directly to either drinking, right? And we can also answer that. I asked them for you. Okay, so the first question What's one thing you wish that you had known before? Getting into research? Oh, you just off your insurance used are So the issue is that, um a beauty recess, that the currency is just publications. Nothing else matters. No one ever said that to you. Frankly, for I started, I thought, if you're keen, is easy estate with curious, I'm done things that will be enough. But the way the world works is if you can't do that. No, believe this happened. So what happens with the conferences? People google your name certain if you find this, But whatever you give a talk, a conference to go to a meeting, you see a spike in people searching for you in different ways. But twitter or looking at your own like every rest profile, even you on all the people really trust his an academic paper in appearance. In general, we can argue about what that's good thing about thing, but the key is for you to realize you to get papers as soon as you come on. There's so many ways to get paper on. To be honest, it doesn't really matter where they are, what they are usually to make sure that your your name on it and it's being period view that's been published, protects the world. Um, and I think for the first stages of your you're created really matter what is it just has to be something on gum pounds. It's been running a business. People judge your track record. So if some impressed me and says I never published paper by really keen on research kind of given your project Well, okay, but if someone he must be said, I've got two publications from previous project, which is what we did this this and this I think, Oh, this person has committed and has demonstrates success, and therefore you're you're more likely to trust them and take the long on. So every paper that you get will be a springboard for another paper, which we expect for more papers. And yeah, I always want to tell me that when I was a finally next year or f y to say that product always got there the order that you almost finished off or that interesting case you should should take the extra time and finished off going on. Yeah, let's be finished. I guess my kind of leads on a little bit from that is that I wished, as someone had told me, or maybe there was good, but they didn't tell me how incredibly harder it is. And in that you have to put in a huge amount of effort. So I think actually, I would agree with what Tom says about being published, because the difference between finishing a project on by having a publication is actually pretty big. A huge amount of guys that actually admit, you know, if it's on, it's getting through all your revisions, anything at that. But that, and showing that you can do all of that is actually a really, really big thing as well. And that's actually really tough. Well, I think what I'd say is also that I didn't really realize how and how much stuff gets published that isn't necessarily good science or and isn't sort of kosher a zoo. Well, I spent the first year of my PhD essentially trying to rerun some experiments that these people had published, and it was a load of rubbish and eventually figure out why it was a little rubbish on day. And I think it will be kind to say that maybe there that's the main methods have to be such a rigorous. I'm not suggesting that they were published in false information or anything like that. But I think this is why I'm so keen to say that you have to be able to appraise things for yourself and actually look at it and then decide for yourself. Is this good quality or no? And is it going to influence my clinical practice on? I think it doesn't matter if you're in academic or if you, you know, never intend to do any sort of research. It all you need to be able to do that as a clinician. Thank you on. Got another question here. Um, could you tell us more about appraising of paper during the interview and guessing this is for ST one interviews? Are we supposed to read a whole paper within a few minutes or just in abstract? And so I think the company I have to stay here and things the same for Thomas is things have changed since we since we did our applications a swell. So when I did it, you had the application and then you had four stations that you rotated around and you had half a now to read. It was either you would have half hour to read a paper, knew it would be a relatively short one and appraise it. Or you had to give a presentation on a topic that was until seen. That's changed now. So I believe when I looked at what you're expected to do is it's a it's an online form, are currently obviously that might change on. It was either a 30 minute interview or 2 15 minutes. So I don't think you're having the same rotation in the in the way that we had our something times a day if that was saying for you. And but I think the skills that you have to have remained the same So I think that you may, it will be completely reasonable to ask for something to ask you a question about briefly. How would you then how would you appraise of paper? You know, what kind of things are you looking at? And I didn't have Thomas, you have any more insights? And I think the of these that the interviews changed three other specialties result will have a crazy people. You get your paper half announcing it. Crystal meth. Are these Reagan exercise and so actually to read stuff getting critical way and I When I was a medical students, I was advised to subscribe to Medical General, which was quite expensive. The time on the ice truck needle in general I've got every week, but then that was great because it 42 readings, I thought it was 24. I better be that that it gives you the post every week, and I read it on then it wasn't like a quick investment, But over five or 10 years, you realize that you've read all the important papers have come at on. Then you get better reading them quickly. Real, um, and the deer and research. She realized pros and cons of the study. And I think that anything you do, the more you do with the more fun it is. So you have to start now and start reading. Start talking about things general clubs on the more you put in the more. You put that if you spend a few hours really gauging with a piece of evidence of paper and then the experience, your colleagues that not be really rewarding And then, yeah, it would seem like a lot of work, but actually, you're getting from it in the in the same way that Fiona seem to apply for lots of different things you didn't actually win. I'm sure she doesn't regret the time she spent thinking about it and writing matter and collecting thoughts. Because as a research, he spent a lot of time trying to get people to give you money. I think it's know, unrealistic to actually have to be able to read and praise of paper in half A now our because, you know, when you're looking through these journals, you can't be spending hours now is pouring over them. You know, you do. You have to be able to quite quickly reach up through through something and decide, you know, Is this good or not? Once and as time said, the more you practice that the quicker you will get a swell. Okay. Thank you. Um, we have another question here. Um, when do you know when to give up a project that just not going very well. Some tough, tough question like unless I tried that. They ask that question. I think the situation often is. You have a project. It's all finished. You need a bit more work on. You think you might finish it, But there's always jeopardy, right? Like your project might never finish. You might wait, lose on waste all that time. Um, in addition to that, your product really just your products, your entity of people. You don't let your team down. You're part of the of yourself and partly for the team that you have engaged to commit into this project. Um, it's really tough. I think. I think your stage if it looks like you've got results, aren't that project coming? Something take is always it takes because because one publication spending their publication, what presentation been their presentation, where if it looks like it's not gonna happen, there's something that's better. I got the other one. I mean, I don't know if I'm not sure I've got that, probably Yeah, I think I agree. It's a good advice that was giving me when I writing up PhD is that finished is better than perfect and on. And I think you overtime develop and on appreciation of how much effort to put into something. But you do want to finish it. And you do you want to get that publication and for me, in some cases, as taking years to get a project to finish new. For example, when I left my fellowship post, it would have been very easy to sort of let that stuff drop and no one else would have taken it on, but and you a couple of years later, and that's four publications down. So I think that's yeah, I think probably this stage persisting is an important that on. But there's always like you might have a dream of particular come the last few that says you can settle quicker for maybe a a less good actor was definitely not. Come, go for that. Yes. Um, we have another question here. Um, how do you strike a balance between research and clinical commitments as a medical student or a pediatric trainee? Who are These are hard questions. So, um, fear likely that you start with a tickle in my throat. Ah, and that is really difficult question on, I think certainly from me, and I know this is relevant, but Thomas is well is you are talking about your clinical commitments. You talk about your research commitments and you're talking about your family. Whether that's kids' parents are the caring opportunities, responsibilities as well. So it is that bounced around the star, and I think you end up doing a huge amount of stuff in your own time. I'm not saying that's actually good thing, but I think that is the reality. And within Scotland, the post doc fellowships with POSTOP, back to Ship Little Thomas and I have only give you 20 extent of your time for research. And that's a tiny, tiny amount. So it is a very difficult balance going back to the very beginning. I chose not to apply for Actemra Foundation program or in a CF in academic Cocoa fellowship in pediatrics, because I decided that what I wanted to do was get a really solid clinical base am on. So that's how I feel. So portion my time, and but you do still have to be looking out for opportunities. Come on out here then point of view. And I suppose it's really, really helpful if you can get a poster, has some sort of dedicated time. So, like the A CF posts, where it will be actually your job to be doing these things and gap on getting publications rather than trying to fit it in your own time as well. But tell him I said, You know, maybe if you got there inside, I don't know. Like I didn't identify from Accolate Foundation program or academic training for him. I'm thinking that I wanted to make sure it's clinically Colton, but I think you will. You will become a cop with time, and it's really valuable to have the allocated time on the beauty of having elevated times that people weren't. Question is so much of the study, your block and you'll be doing that part of your contract. And I think in retrospect, I wish I apply it full. Those jobs could what? We've been more time, um, but yet depends away like but but the the chemical what you could do all the time in more than a one time and and not anything else. So so the wrist with that is that you're not being very good condition, but they pulled by the time you origin. Yeah, I think that's relevant. Thing to mention actually, is, well, going back to the original question. But what's the one thing you wish you know and and into very long, whole. So you know about you, Thomas. But my I should have completed clinical training in 2018, and I have had a couple of maternity leave, So but but the main thing that's delayed me has been research as well. So you do. You may well end up taking longer than your other colleagues as well. That's not necessarily a bad thing. But that, maybe, is what partner goes with different areas. Well, if you're going down, the academic career is very interesting. I think it keeps things interesting in the way that my motion and colleagues the ones who had enjoying academia enjoying clinical work happier than the ones we just do. One thing there's always going to academics to okay, uh, one last question. If you don't really have uninterested in research for academic medicine, how necessary is it getting papers published getting into Pedes? I think I called qualifies as offensive behavior doesn't have to send this person. Yeah, I get that. I think what I eat used to the life. If you stay on medicine, having research, spirits, having a paper is going to be pretty important. Any job, your privates gonna give you more points and the anything you need to the clean be able to understand Why do you on whether it's good or bad thing stairs and pull on, you can see is something that you don't like it don't want to do. But it is pretty integral to toe walk. We do it conditions on dumb. Yeah, I think you have to find a way to to love it, Sally, for that person, Thankfully and almost, I think, Well, the facts of this fine lectures in the seminar on day one of these to like 20% of this time has been put to research. Roughly 20% of your points on your application form for ST one are to do with research and think that gives you an idea of how important this is and you do not have to have millions of publications. You don't have to be leading clinical groups or anything at that. It's absolutely vital that you have appreciation for research because it's not just people that be leading. The research that's important is also the clinician's to the ground. So you might be a sentence. You could be working District General Hospital, and you might be recruiting for a big multinational study that's going to answer a really important question for you. A. So you have to have an understanding off the research side of things as well. So I think, and the fact that it's so heavily emphasized, along with other things within this application, even at the ST one level, I think gives you an idea of how important research side of things this is. Well, perfect. Thank you so much for answering, Um, all of the questions that came in, um, I will just put cliche rare my last slight, um, which you can sneak peek over earlier. Um, but on the right hand side of the side is a cure coat. Um, that will take you to the feet back form, which we would love everyone. 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