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Okay, Should we stop? Because it's like it's five past now, I think probably getting most of the participants arms and stop sharing. Um, so really, um, we'll start with introductions, so hello there on my name shift. I'm gonna be a host today alongside surgeon I'm one of the co families the Port Bow do clinic, which is a virtual me appear mentoring platform for expiring trainees. We'll talk more about that later, but I want to, you know, introduced people with me today. First of all, developed a Who is our showcase today. Don't give us a wave. I like the world showcase. That's exactly you tell us a little bit about what do you remember? Hi, everyone. My name's developed a I am currently course surgical training CT one in Yorkshire and Humber in leads at the minute eso My journey was I went to medical in leads. Absolutely loved it thin. I did F one F two on my three around Northwest London on I just moved back up north for ah, search for training on affordable rent on the way in the background way. That's the North. They right? Exactly. Look into that group of a top from the medicine from Darby. So I'm always right. Yeah, um, it's a bit gray outside, but we weren't focused on the weather. Uh, yeah. So I did a teaching fellow job for my F three on, but I think it's really important what you guys are trying to do because I didn't really have many people to talk to about it. I didn't really have any very set plans, which I wish that I had hard. It's like a It's like a medical shooting. Or enough. One of two deciding kind of What you want to do for your F three is is that I think are important. So I think it's really nice that you guys are opening that platform out. Everyone? Yeah, exactly. I think I was in a very similar position to you develop. So yeah, hopefully we'll be able Teo, pick up, assume. Want some questions at the attendees will have. But yeah, we just go to surgeon first on D. Let me juice itself is well, everyone s Oh, yeah. I'm Sergeant, um, kind of leadership for an innovation. Follow. Um, period, Um, alongside shift. We've established the portfolio clinic, and we're providing the F three Siris. Um, as well. Cause mentioned Andre was mentioned as well on. Yeah, that's just a tiny nugget about myself. Right. So we start on, find a little bit more about divorce you and what we've done s Oh, you were a surgical undergraduate. Undergraduate, surgical, medical, education. Yes. Um, Andi. Yeah. What? What did that involved that's about? Yes. So, basically, I waas year as an undergraduate, surgical clinical teaching fellow, which is a lot of words, but basically, you're applying for a teaching fellow job. You can either be a teaching fellow with, like, the medical school or the college. So you would go down the rule of more like a sesame int and feedback and, uh, doing medical screen exams and things like that. I was more clinical, so I was employed by the trust to do teaching for students who were doing surgical placement in the hospital that I was based at. So mainly I was with Theosophy Dick Team. So I was delivering musculoskeletal teaching, which was also and there's also a rheumatology fellow. So we did that together mainly for final your medical students, but also, I was kind of doing surgical skills, surgical simulation on bits and pieces for 1st 2nd dirges. Uh, yeah. So it was quite a nice breath off everyone at different stages throughout medical school. It was quite a varied job in it that obviously I did my kind of routine MSK a teaching, but also we got to run Find of simulations. So, uh, like, you're 80 assessments on, like, a fake patient and things like that. So whilst obviously being really educational for the students, that was really fun for us. So that's something that you can do. Um, I had the pleasure of doing this job over Cove. It, uh, which has its pros and cons. But we'll talk about that later, but I kind of got to get quite involved in coming up with new methods of teaching online new kind of digitally assisted things that they're putting into place that medical schools now, which was really cool on Did also gave me a bit of a chance to do some portfolio building. I did a PG certain in university education. I kind of did audits and research and stuff like that. Eso Overall, I had a really good time. Um, so that was in a nutshell. Kind of what I spend my you're doing. That is a lot. A lot of stuff for the portfolio as well. As you know. Anybody who knows us knows that we absolutely adore pull for a walk for five years. That's about so that takes the bus, is it in our eyes? You accomplished a lot in in just 12 months. Effectively and people coming. Start with these things. Like how you can get involved with PD sets through your minute bellows. But I think one important thing is is I think, from my perspective as an f. D. I think it seemed like what quite daunting prospect of off. So bridging ward off, leaving clinical practice for a year to go into Just met. Met. So how did you feel about I jumped? Did you know, you definitely want to do it always just in opportunity that came up. Um, yeah, it was It was difficult because at the time that we were applying for these jobs or thinking about doing them when I was in, uh for to the pandemic. Haven't really hit yet. So all of our friends, we're going to do a threes. It was just a given. It wasn't that we were desperate to take time out of clinical practice or anything like that. It was just that we were like, Oh, maybe we'll go to Australia. Or maybe you will travel for a bit, and maybe we'll so none of us applied for training jobs. Um, and then the pandemic kind of hit on. A few people were still like, We'll go to Australia and will travel. But the reality of that, for me was very much like, Do I go to Australia, perhaps not be able to come home, perhaps not be able to travel around Australia? That would be a bit devastating. Or New Zealand or ever. So then I was kind of looking at my other options on D. You can always take a junior clinical fellow or J C F role in a clinical specialty For me, I've always really enjoyed teaching. I've always been involved in it as a medical student, F one F two. But you never really get the chance to provide coherent teaching or consistent teaching. Um, on. So when I heard about the opportunity of doing it on, if you have a look on any chest jobs or whatever, they'll be plenty of options for either teaching fellow or education fellow or just clinical trust grade jobs. Um, I knew I want to do surgery, so I wanted something that incorporated that on. But yeah, I just kind of found the job ad for, uh, look to the specifications. Figured that was something that I would enjoy. Um, Andi went for it. Really? Uh, yes. It is daunting. As you're saying, Towns, Your question, Um, you don't think about it when you go into the job, but as you coming to the end of the year, you realize all haven't actually spoken to a patient in a really long time on, uh, that depends. On what? What? What? You're kind of clinical involvement is with patients. Uh, but for me, I got to organize my own clinical time in theater. Basically. So I went and I did a a bit of kind of helping consent, but mainly my patients were sleep. But time I got there, uh, so going back into that, starting again as a surgical training, you do you do you think should have picked up a couple of locals, but it comes back to you really quickly. It really does. It's nothing to be worried about. If you've passed after and you've done your ercp, then there's no reason you can't drop I/O as you need to, so I wouldn't let that put you off taking a non clinical roll on. But you can always pick up a locum here or there or, uh, take some time to just go back into the hospital and recreate yourself. Yeah, it sounds like it was a very sort of ah, flexible program in that in that sense, which is something that non training great doctors and F three is really crave and cried for. Um, I think it's quite interesting from when we see the contrast in terms of Samir. Last week, obviously, he had worked in the same hospital. Everything was a lot more internal. It sounds like your process was a lot more sort of uncertain in terms of where you wanted to go, what you wanted to do. Um, and it was an external process and that that, you know, in terms of looking at the job criteria and applying, um, which we would love to hear about. Um, it's just really interesting to see that sort of contrast, but in sort of, um, normally similar roles But similar areas, Um, I guess, and similar stages in your training in your career. Yeah. Yeah. Um it's interesting because a lot of people I didn't I didn't necessarily want to stick. I wanted to stay in London, but I didn't intend on staying in the same trust. We're staying in the same place I think is is very good to go and stretch your wings and see different trust in hospitals and things like that. It just so happened that I applied in this interview and, well, I got that job. Um, but it is something that I do encourage people to think about. I had a lot of medical students who I was teaching, saying, you know, I want to stay in this specific part off the world. I don't ever want to move. Um, Andi, I think that's a bit of a shame. I think you really should go and experience whether you're moving to the North of the South where wherever seeing a bit of a different aspect of life. But in terms of the application process, Um uh for people are interested, office, everything. Everything for me anyway was online. So it was all you look at the specifications off several different jobs. You have a state like a personal statement kind of thing. You put all your CV bits and bobs down. The one thing that nobody told me is kind of like Oreo. When you're in F one F two applying for specialty jobs, you have to do the application for every different job that you apply for you. Connell's of like a You can't just have a template that you use with a rigid way of a sedating. Yeah, this But I guess it's ah, you know, we're used to it. Extent. Yeah. Um, on day, one thing that we were told when we started was that when I started in my teaching fellow job was that there were actually a lot of a lot more applicants than I thought there would have been for a job like this on, I suppose. In retrospect, uh, I urge you to do this when you're looking for jobs is look exactly what you're being offered. Because for me, I got half a day off clinical time a week, which was actually really flexible. You could do a day of four tonight, or if you wanted to take a week is a block. You could do that. So I definitely got guaranteed clinical time every week. I got half a day a week to do research and development on half a day a week set aside for my PG, sir, on D when I was applying for jobs, not a lot of places offered all those three things. So I knew that those things that definitely wanted on day when I was applying I made it clear on the application that those were things I intended to really take advantage off and be involved in which they want to know. They want to know that they're not just giving you that time for you to not use. It s oh, you do have to, I think, Taylor a bit of your application to what the job opportunities are on day, especially if you get an interview for something like a teaching job. It's really easy to see people who are not interested in teaching. And whilst your portfolio is really important, it's really easy to spot in an interview. Who's just like this is a CV build up from a I'm not interested in er, actually consistently teaching I'm just drinking means to an end. Um, they did some of the interviews for the for my successes, Um, and that was the consultants who were with us also know the dean of the things that they have to have the experience don't know exactly from a teaching point of view. Yeah, exactly. If it's something that you are coming and I about, and you are okay with teaching, but you don't think you want to commit, it's probably better that you pick something else that you know that you're going to really enjoy, because it is quite. It's quite a lot of that as a commitment, Um, but that's something that when you're in an interview, if you are interviewing for this, I think your enthusiasm about the teaching that you have done, even if it's limited what you would like to do in the future, what kind of programs you want to set up. That's what people want to hear on DCA of how the job will build you, not just as a long term your long term. Yeah, exactly how you gonna take this forward. So those are things that I think we'll set you in Good stayed for a couple years. I think that's yeah. I think what you said is really important about knowing you want to do it before you going into it on Do, um, for the veterans, I don't know a lot of well, from my experience, a lot of the clinical education fellows more 95 or into four van clinical rolls because, I mean, you're it's There's no one called unless you've got clinical Component is now on call part of it. But that doesn't much matter of knowing people. It doesn't mean there's less where there's a lot of work and there's a lot of different work in terms of the add men on the thing, so they will come into that. It's a couple of questions we have from from the 10 D's, so just mostly about the application process Devolder, so that when these jobs are advertised and also like how to find out about them. So where it's a boy when it's jobs? Teo. Yeah, so uh, mostly on any chest jobs. If there is a specific Oriole doesn't do anything, it's far as I'm aware for, like out of training jobs, eso for three or four jobs. I wouldn't be looking at all Really, um, I found my jobs on it, just jobs, but, uh, if you want to work in a specific hospital. They, like each hospital, will have a leech Trust will have their own kind of recruitment page on their website, So have a look on there for jobs that being advertised. If you're very specific about where you want to work or email somebody in their recruitment apartment, there's no set time that jobs are advertised like there's no like one day where everything comes out. Um, places tend to start advertising sometime around, but any time between, like October November of the prior year. Teo, I think, even like May June of the following year. So because you're out of training, um, you have that kind of advantage of being able to apply for jobs as and when. So start looking, girly. You. I think you can tailor a search on any dress jobs on Do. You can kind of add things to your favorites, and you're get emails every day or every couple of days saying this job has come up. This drug has come up so you can keep on top of it. You can add things to your saved jobs and things like that one, and it just jobs um Onda. You can apply to his many as you want to. You can interview for asthma. Any issue. Want to you just It's just that once you've interviewed and confirmed a job that I I think professionally, you should take it. But apart from that, it's quite a free process in terms of what you can and can't choose, so keep an eye on it. It does get refreshed quite often, and especially in London, Sometimes they don't put the jobs are for From what I've seen, trust sometimes advertise in house. So if you really want to work somewhere, email that recruitment department and say if you have any of three or traffic grade teaching jobs or education jobs, please can you put me on a list to be emailed when they come out on? That's probably a good way to go about it. Yeah, I think that's a really caring thing from last week. I think if you really want to do these jobs and you're really focused on like a certain place in location putting yourself out there and selling some emails and finding out more about what they expect from applicants that job people actually a surprisingly even with that term information on the other thing to mention from my experience on just jobs is that they normally will open a job for two weeks or something. But a lot of those jobs of seeing a bottle of them, and then we have the right to close this vacancy early If we have enough applicants. So you see a job and you really like it. Get the application in early on, then the other thing, which is is kind of disheartening is some jobs that you apply to you. Um, you don't actually hear back from so they won't ever say you've been unsuccessful. He just will Not here. So I don't have if you have. If you applied for a couple, don't hang on. Wait for the response. Just keep on a blind Too many as you want, because that's gonna maximize the chance of you getting into the interview and the job for something that you want to do in your X ray a year. Um, absolutely. Yeah. Uh, on don't, please don't feel bad about emailing people repeatedly. If they have no email you back with the status of your job application because sometimes they just missed a letter out of your email address or, like, something stupid like that. So I emailed places several times. These also don't feel bad about emailing Daltons about jobs, like, especially clinical jobs. Um, see so persistent that they give you the job exactly, because they but sometimes especially consultant some things that that they do remember you. So I, um, e mailed a consultant and said, Do you have any, uh, j c f jobs going on? But she said Oh, really? Sorry. Not the minute on, but she emailed me back six months later saying, Oh, actually, I remember that you emailed to me. Are you still interested? So people do remember you. Uh so bad That in mind? Yeah. Uh, that's all really important nation. We'll move on a little bit. Maybe. I think it's useful to find out little bit more about the day to day jobs. You mentioned that you were doing some research annual, ppd. Sir, um, so you're talking about, like, your your average week on. But that was, like, yeah, so very dependent on the time of year, obviously, because different students start a different time, so Sometimes you'll just have you. Finally, A students. Sometimes you'll have finally a third year first or second year on then. Obviously, as you get to the end of the year, everybody's got exams on. But then, towards the very end of the year, all the students have gone, so you're pretty free. Not something to verify. Uh, but to begin with, Ah, you will work with your, uh, consultant who is the lead for your module or whatever it is that you're teaching on. You'll come up with a time table off. How many times you're supposed to be teaching students, For example, I had final year M s K A student, so I would teach them on a Monday morning, um, Tuesday and Thursday afternoons on. But I would schedule my other stuff in around that. So if I then had third years that cropped up in October November, I would fit that teaching around the teaching that I had already established. Um, so in that way, you have a degree of flexibility. Um, you are able to take on other stuff that you want to do. You So although I was a clinical fellow, I did some of the like, uh, Elektra based teaching as well from 1st and 2nd years, which you do after. Your first priority is to teach your clinical students. But if you can fit other stuff in, that's fine in terms off PG Certain, uh, you are no guaranteed a PG, sir. It's just that the job comes with, um, allowance off time for if you apply. They're not saying you have to do one. It's strongly recommended that you do do one on some teaching fellow jobs. Come with an allowance money allowance for you to do that. So I think where I worked, they would subsidize up to two grand or something of a PG. So which is usually somewhere between 8000 lbs? So you've got a bit of a Bursary for that, Um, you do have to apply yourself to the PT sets. You'll have to do some kind of, uh, I guess research into what modules you like, what university you want to do it at. Then. Obviously you take study leave days for the Daisy have either face to face online teaching, but I was given an extra half a day a week on top of that to do essays and that kind of stuff, so that was very flexible. I could take that whenever I had time, where whenever I needed to. So that was part of my regular week, um, clinical activity wise because I was with the orthopedic team. Um, I worked with the consultant who was leading finally, your, um sk and he said, I have a list all day Thursday so you can come whenever you like, So I would go in Thursday mornings or Thursday afternoons. That was my half a day a week on. I just told my supervisor that that's my clinical time. It might change, but that was a fixed pop. Um, And then I got involved with a couple of medical projects and a couple of author projects, and I just fit that in as and when. So is flexible. Day to day. It can get quite busy on do the one thing that I would say I did not know going into this was like you mentioned shift the amount off admin that comes with it. And by that I mean, as medics, we are not used to sending emails all the time. or promptly replying to things because we're on the wards and we don't We're not expect you to do that. Uh, whereas a lot of my time was spent in meetings about teaching, uh, or kind of emailing students or faculty and things like that. There was also a lot of time table ing stuff that you have to do just on heard of words of the clinical environment really hard. Complains about medical job. Yeah, we will complain about when other people did badly, but we have to do it ourselves. Yeah, it And then you get so many e mails saying, like, actually, excuse me, I can't do that. And you're like, Well, I can't fit you in any other time. So it was interesting to see, like how the other heart It's important skill to refer because I think we've had it. Is organizing this Siris and launching the portfolio Connect is any Until you experience it for yourself. You truly understand how crucial of a skillet is actually on gum thing that potentially we take for granted. Yeah, absolutely. On that is another way of a portfolio point. If you are in an interview and you're saying, You know, I coordinated a rotor or I've done this time table ing of managed ex wives. That number of students. That's a really good point. Talk about it shows your organization. It shows your management shows your leadership, Um, so that I came out of it with a lot more than I thought that I would. And that was all due to all this admin stuff. So do be aware if that's something that you absolutely hate bad that in mind because there is a significant proportion of your job. The other part of it that they didn't really tell you about is, um you do do kind of quite a lot of I don't want to say the word mentor shit cause it's not mental shit, but it's a lot off pastoral care for students as well as just the teaching, because you will get e mails from students and I'm really struggling with this or this has happened to me, or can you help me with a personal issue on D? You have to know kind of obviously way boundaries Arm went to escalate with that kind of stuff, but you do do a lot of that kind of, um, kind of that holistic approach to students. And you do have to think a lot, you know about why students maybe know engaging and that kind of aspect of it. So if that's something that you enjoy, you think you'd be good at There's quite a lot of scope, um, in in those terms as well, which it was really nice. Actually, that's very interesting that two things I didn't necessarily would play a large part of their their job that maps off mentor ship to roll on management role, which is going to pretty essential skills of a clinician and professional anyway, on do something you're probably less likely to get in a clinical fell, a role I'm looking at. Is it a wet of experience that that is as if you gained from the last year? We've got a couple more questions, It looks like from the audience, Um, so Robbie has talked about, um, she's got a busy gap in her trading, so she's started or she's finishing up one a bit late, so it sounds like she's got about six or eight months. She wants to try and fill it with a clinical federal role, but she's not sure how should go about fitting that in quite nicely. Um, what do you guys opinions amount? So just from a teaching specifically from a teaching fellow job roll, those are those run with the academic year, so it will fit nicely if you start off one of two in August and finish off one F two in August and then you'll do you teaching fellow job for there academic year that is September toe the end of August, so we'll be any of always sorry. So in that way, if you don't have a full year to spare, uh, I don't think they do any six months teaching fellow jobs that are associated with a medical school. Um, having said that if you had six months, you could easily dio there are a lot of clinical jobs like a any, for example, that will give you 1 to 2 days a week where you condemn a K to teaching medical students or, uh, starting a teaching program or some sort of education focus or a job which allows you some more flexibility with that, so they do exist. You will have to look for them. But that's not an uncommon thing. I think any is the one that I've seen that most associated with. But that does exist. Um, apart from that, I think you could easily get a six month even. And as you go clinical job, uh, for a month that will extend. That might not necessarily need to be a full time job. So you can kind of have a a day, a week or something to spare to do other research and development kind of things. But yes, Far as I know, the teaching fellow jobs are a full year. Yeah, those opportunities in terms of Coke, a leadership, a zoo? Well, from a six month point of view. So, um, the course that myself and she actually did a swell was a six month thing called leadership and, um, education block. Um, so there are alternatives out there for a short period of time. Um, it doesn't necessarily have to be 12 months, but I understand that obviously, from a teaching point of view, you're expected to be there for that academic year. And so, you know, to see their students through to the end of the end you will have to start in August, which makes complete sense. Yeah, I think there's also don't feel like you can't look, um and do these things that same time, the people who are really touched will locum and they will make up their monthly wage within 10 days. 12 days of opening on. They can offer time to assimilation department. If you're for your time to stimulation department all medical education center, they will thank you very so you can always get involved in that. One of you is well. And you know, they're obviously getting something by having a doctor on their side running simulations or teaching session your building up or very. Oh, plus, you also makings or a fairly substantial weight by little insight. So great thing about the F three years you could do things, How you want things that man in terms of, you've got eight months, which is a bit of annoying block of time to have to have. You can do things your anyway. You just have to be fairly so compared to go the extra mile to organize that in advance. Yeah, I think speaking for my my own personal point of view. When we started the Khalida ship Better ship, I was very much teen to do A Q. I project in the clinical environment. And so I I went there within the intent of of doing something on dive managed, Teo Conduct a project on the implement introduction of opt out HIV testing in in an acute trust on gone through cycles with that presented a grand round. These are all things that have been done. Not necessarily is part of a course or a fellowship, but stuff that in your F three year Well, you have that flexibility. If you're determined and you keen and you speak Teo consultants and you show your enthusiasm, you will be guided in the right direction in terms of projects and stuff that you can do on your own back as well. Yeah, very fair point it's about Yeah, a little bit of them. Jasmine and dedication early on really does help, doesn't it? Yeah, I'm good. Look on. Look tired. Yeah. Adam has mentioned, uh, required. Interesting point. I think we're coming. So to end of this session. But I think his questions really, really quite good because he wants he's got a few months now before these applications start to go in. In your opinion, Devolder, how can he maximize that time to make his application Better to make him stand out on what are they really gonna look for? You mentioned couple of things that interview like in terms of use as, um But what? Are there any other specifics that really helped you or you noticed, might be useful? Uh, I think it's important to just be aware that they're not looking for you to have set up your own teaching program and have run it for six months or anything like that. Like if you have had any sort of interest or involvement for a relatively consistent period of time at medical school. If one F two on do you can talk about it in an enthusiastic way that shows what you taught students, how it helps them, how it helped you then I don't think you need to much more than that. Like it's not that they're looking for the person who's done the most. Um, they are looking for people who are committed to an enthusiastic. But having said that, um, at the minute, especially in surgery, and things like that were really struggling to help medical students or F ones after you get into better to do a bit of surgical skills to do just pretty much anything that is practical and useful for them. So if you see any gap in medical student teaching that you could fill in the next few months, then speak to a consultant to back it or or Reg to back it on. But try and set something up, this doesn't have to be weekly. It could be fortnightly or monthly. Whether you're doing it face to face or via zoom. You just need to get enough people involved in, and it doesn't have to be you running it all the time. A lot of it is. Can you get other people involved to help you? Can you lead a team? Can you organize teaching? So if you concertos that something I would say and again, nobody's gonna ask you for proof of this at that stage off a teaching fellow role. But, um, it would be a good idea to maybe get some feedback from the sessions that you're running so that you can show that you understand the importance of finding out what people knew before finding out what they know after your session and how you using that feedback to get better. Because that's something that people is important to your practice on DTA. Other people, I think if one's of twos, you've got Horace and you've got your clinical teacher forms on horror US s. So I think if you can get a couple of those done, um, that shows that you've got feedback from a senior. A swell on. You can say that interview. Listen, I've done teaching for medical students or my peers on I've had feedback from them have had feedback from my consultant. This is what I learned. This is how I changed the next time and made it better. And this is what I will be committed to doing in the future. I don't think you need to have have done loads and loads of stuff. I think that is, there is a reflection on the news is, um, in the commitment that's that's key there, Actually, can you reflect on exactly what you experience you've had, however big or small experiences, and I can you become a better teacher from that experience, Um, and and can you show how you can do that as well? And I think that's that's probably most impressive thing and or or interview interview is so yeah, I think I'm use this quite nicely on the final question in terms of the volume, which is quite important. Tell tonight on Dmard slows. Yeah, terms of like, How did you portfolio from feedback and things. Did you have a written portfolio? Did you have in online? But really, how did you keep all of that information base so that could be utilizing your CST interview, for example? Yeah, so eyes if you don't have access to a horse anymore. And it's not like this nice, structured portfolio that you can use, I just made my own feedback forms for students. So there's lots on the Internet, uh, that you can kind of use for inspiration on dyke. I have made them before, and after feedback form on. I got them to fill that in and either scanned it into just word documents in capital on my laptop. There's also loads of stuff like surveymonkey now on loads of like online feedback that people can give you a non emus feedback and you can have access to it. And then you can make a chance and diagrams and things of how they felt before and how they fell after all the statistics going to pull the starts, that makes it. But yeah, I pretty much just and you don't get feedback on every single session that you do. But for me, I had blocks of students every month, so they would change every month. So it was quite useful for me to say, Well, the first month I did it like this and this was the feedback that I got. And then by the end of it, this is the feedback that I got. So this was the change in terms of all the stuff that you do for me, obviously, for my portfolio for CST, I didn't have to do, uh, a physical portfolios. I didn't have to make it look all pretty, which some of you will have to do in the future. But just everything that you do every order the you present, every every bit of feedback that you get, just put it in the same folder on your laptop or your USB do not lose things back up to drop box, even if it's not pretty. And it's a bit of a mess just so that you know what it is that so that it's that because it was in, um, in terms off feedback. Uh, if you're doing a PG cert, there's a lot of focus on assessment and feedback in that. So they gave us some forms to fill out for each other, so that was quite a good way of I could see what the relevant things were, and I could disseminate that to students. Um, I have heard somebody say to me recently as an F three that they managed to extend. They're Horace Portfolio. I don't how they did it. I don't know if it's possible. I don't know if, as an F three is the best thing for you to use, I'm sure that there are other portfolios that you guys will know more about. I'm sure I actually did that way. Mention it's our last session, but you can't if you speak to you. The Post Graduate department, if you're staying on is a fellow or potentially even is a locum, they might extend your war. So if the most of what things to have some thoughts off earlier, whether it's a written or nine or nine is just easier. We've got all this metformin fto. Naturally, it's quite easy to extend that. You definitely look at doing that for, uh, they went just rumors. Devil. Cut it. Z truth. I know, I'm, um but yeah. No, it's an every conference that you go to or every course that you attend. Make sure the gas certificate, because at some point, somewhere along the way, it will be useful for you, eh? So just make sure that you ask the relevant people toe, give you feedback. It's it's difficult to get feedback from consultants. I'm sure you guys know, um, I'm really struggling with the cool surgery now and get my counsel was designed stuff up online. Just doesn't seem to be happening, But you do. If you have to pass the people, you have to press two people on there you go. Got to do what you got to do. So don't feel bad about emailing people several times. That's the that's that. That's the best reason. Advice? Yeah, even everybody. A billion times. Yeah. Uh, any other question, Sergeant, you have forms off wrap up here? Uh, yeah. I can't think of anything in. Ah, in particular. I think we covered so much. So many interesting things. Yeah, we've We've run over quite long. Still out there is around, so you're pretty pretty wraps up today. Thanks. Every pretending if you didn't catch the whole session will have the session. On line is catch up. Service of medals that form. Um, while we're here, I think you need to It's off. Given not to meddle because they're hosting for us today. They're very keen on winding access to healthcare training. Going check out their website, which I've got here for you. Um, where is it? Um, on they also interesting. They have their own port failure. Pat form eso if you didn't get chorus, you can always utilize their platform for, like, posting CBDs reflections or short. And they also have a lot of other lots of different organizations like ourselves. You run different teaching sessions virtually. Um okay, Yeah. Fill out the feedback for me, please. For us. That's a really thanks, Sergeant, That reminder the last, you know, note that we had from the talk. I thought, you know, jump that feedback for me. We're also be sending it out a zero in the next day or so on. Just finally wanted to share our my screen and show you the portfolio clinic, which is a project that surgeon I've been working on. Consider, um, so effectively, it's virtual portfolio in service the expiring train needs. At the moment, we're gonna be running C S T I m t an anesthetic portfolio Kleenex, bringing aspiring trainees to a mental who's just got into that training of career parkway on GLP him to guide develop their portfolio, but also with a little bit of mental shit. You can register online on by the mental link. Or you can also email me or Sergeant. If you want to find out more information, we leave our emails in this, but, um, so you can email me if you have any questions or questions, Dave. Okay, Um I'm sure you know we can pass it. If you have any further questions future, we can share them with genes. Also weaken. Disseminate that. Yeah. Thank you very much for joining us. Is anything outside of that I missed on anything. So just to find me the link to the website, you want to check out on bedrest as a minty or mental? That's it. There. Um Okay. All right, well, we'll see you later. Thanks for joining us, Onda. Uh, Patrick, See you. Sure you're very welcome. I hope it is useful for everyone. Thank you very much. It's a wonderful talk.