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Okay. So Ah, welcome, Teo. So, three of the F three series. Ah, we have. Ah, lovely sharp Pereira today as the abroad Back three in this Siris, um, cash, um, is actually a very good friend of mine. Um, who has spent ah f three on now for a port, um, in in Australia and Brisbane. She studies at the University of not to give dinner foundation training in in these Midland's on DA. It was a very arduous task, but she might somehow during this kind of get through to Australia. How you doing to the guest? Eso good. Yeah. I'm just remembering all those times that I I both with you and those that crying to you from the gout since trailer, but it was very high, but it has been. And you're there now you're you're living like, you know, they go through a bit of a struggle to get through to Yeah, golden periods. Yeah, it's crazy. Been here for years. I four need to be done because I don't think I've had my time. Yeah, so Yeah, it's going great. Yeah, exactly on. I think it was sort of so there's so much, um preparation that went into this. There was a massive delay, obviously, because of a little pandemic that you couldn't really plan for. But you made it through to the other side. I think that the the view is out there. Who, uh, watching this will be came. Teo. Understand? Exactly what? What? The process was like your mindset, What it's like working in Australia. And, uh, yeah, any sort of tips and tricks that you can give in order to help them get over to Australia are working abroad in the future. Um, so I mentioned a bit about sort of what pathway you've taken so far. Um, in medicine. So you went to university here. You did your foundation training? Yeah. Yeah, one of the two. Uh what? What? In your foundation? Training Gle. Or even before then, what was your sort of motivation for going across Teo Australia and one in Australia specifically, or were you looking at other places that you wanted to Teo train abroad? I guess I mean, the path of British doctors coming from the UK frustrated. It's pretty well tried. Um um you know, I think we all know someone in the years above us that have done it on. I think I first heard about it and maybe 34th year of you know, a 31 is raving about. It sounded really fun until I thought, you know, even if it's just for the F three year which is becoming this new popular thing that everyone was doing, I was like, undead any different. Do that in my three year thing on the F one and after you happen, you know, wasn't particularly arduous. And they were fired, let alone being the F one on Max. Max, was it very grueling? I was, like, really hot? Yeah, exactly. Um, yeah. I can't say, uh, if when I have to, you know, particularly help me and deciding what I want to do. There's a lot of eliminations. I think they're not. Let's relieve me like yeah, exactly what I want to do. So I mean, I think I knew that. Anyway, I was like, I need a more time. Um, I wasn't one of those lucky souls. That was like, I am dead set on pizza or dead set of medicine. So I was like, I need to time out. So I think End of F What? I pretty much decided I was like, Yeah, the street is definitely gonna happen is after you and I started kind of black and folds it, Um and then, yeah, do you want? Like I said, you Cades Australia well trodden, but I wouldn't recommend, like, emigrated your abdomen. That was a bit tricky. I mean, it doesn't sound fun. And it definitely didn't look fun from my experience. Have watching your multiple flights. Ah, on a sometimes daily basis. Um, not something that I would personally advise. You feel the same, I think. Were you sick of it? By like, the 10th good miles like sergeant leaving. Forget that and I'm still here. So I got She's still here striking on a bit now. So, you know, the the main sort of reason for you going across to Australia with it was something that you heard about you interested in? You sort of looked at yourself on. Didn't find anything that you're particularly dead set on within sort of the United Kingdom in UK training. And it was sort of an experience to you that you really wanted to pursue it that, um, your your career. Um, I think that that's that's something for a lot of, um a lot of foundation training is a medical students there, you know, that pathway has become a lot more and clearing a lot more open. And so a lot of them do go across to the to Australia on, and you Zealand is well, and so I think you probably partly there that, um it's sort of tried and tested and but one that a lot of a lot of, uh, juniors want to proceed. Um, s so I'm guessing that that's sort of the reason why you didn't go straight into training was because there wasn't anything for you that you were dead next, Ellen on. But you wanted to have this experience and, you know, have that time out there. Um how did you find the application process? And how did you start this journey, then? In terms of trying, applying, go across? Yeah. So those. I mean, obviously it started off with word of mouth just talking to people in the years above That kind of done it. Well, well, thinking about doing it on then. There was a lot of Facebook groups kind of support groups, like off medics trying to get over there, Which really helped. I think on there anything that we're really useful. Little. Yeah. So I think one of them was literally called British doctors F three Australia. Something on? There's a few of them out. Yeah, there's nothing. You know what? Little bit on there was, like, amazing. Like, uh, you know, the Facebook group had a couple of documents that listed out a couple of agencies and and hospital contacts, for example. So, yeah, I went through a couple of agencies, but I ended up then marrying it down because I kind of figured out where I wanted to go. So we watch settle in Queensland this estate on. But I started just emailing a couple of the hospitals. And to be honest, after I wasn't too difficult time I see a, um I had a couple of interviews. I think my first one I was a bit of an idea of not going to lie. I I realize that our difference, but I don't quite conclave. The hour difference met. There were two different days s. Oh, I was in bed in my pajamas when I got a phone call and it said Australia on my phone. And I was like, Oh, my God. How's that? Cracked? Uh, did you get the job? Yeah. Well, they okay? Very good. So, uh, it was, like, e on my jacket. I was, like, Right on. Ready to go? Um oh, yes. Oh, Interview and settles or good on, then. You know, the head was came with the hostages. A balancing act, like delaying deferring entries. Basically, because the copay on Australia is pretty pretty difficult is still pretty difficult to get in to do the pandemic. They shut their borders have been shot since basically start 2020. So it was fine getting a job, but actually, the most difficult part was getting flights out. So I think people try to do it. Maybe this year next year I'm gonna hit similar hurdles. I don't think straight as can be open their borders until I would say earliest mid next year. But I'm still here. People come through on this, people definitely still coming because I think way Hear that story is pretty reliable British doctors. And it's so obvious when you get here. How heavy, Reliable they are. Yeah. Fisher. Oh, wow. Yeah. I mean, holy department, pretty much, I would say 87. What? British doctors that come over say it was like a a A Yeah, no time for homesickness. Really? Because there was just like, I wish accidents, Scottish accidents just everywhere every side and you had and, um, agencies on D e mailing the hospital directly. What did you feel was the most sort of successful route into a straight a day with the agencies any good at all or having that sort of direct personal connection? Was that sort of the root in toe working in those hospitals? Yeah. Look, I've had people get through agencies, but I think most people I know, especially in these other cities in in Queens and as well have got through just emailing directly. I know it's different for the bigger cities. So sitting in the Melbourne have their own central protein system. Obviously, they're more regress some things, so they're they're a little bit tricky, and I think agencies don't particularly artistically successful there either, so you have to go through their central application process, so you kind of almost need to figure out where you do want to go on to Just give yourself the best chance. Really? Yeah, Yeah, that's very interesting, actually, because obviously somewhere you know, when you're working here in the UK is a bridge stuck there. Um, the so many different local agencies on these local agencies. They would find your post pretty much wherever you want to go. But I guess it is a bit more difficult in the bigger, more popular sort of hospitals. And, for example, some of the hospitals in central London eso working an imperial I know that obtaining a local post can be very difficult there. Yes, Doctors who have gone through their own application process or trained and work they're internally S o, I think personally for me, coming in somebody as an outsider into imperial. Yeah, as a locum, it would have been extremely difficult. Eso having that clinical leadership posed in my in my three and was was it sort of the only way that I could obtain that? I think it's pretty similar here, I think just getting a foot in the door. It's sometimes the hardest bit into a straighter on getting your friends like I know it's because you are staying out for four year now. I've got their dream jobs and Sidney Ml been s. So I think just showing you about three in Australia and then just showing that you have somewhat committed into a special tube to choice really helps out. So, yes, I can tickle leadership finish. It's anything. There's the equipment here. A swell. So, yeah, that's interesting on how did you go about so, um, arranging these interviews or did you just email directly to the program administrators of the hospital administrators and say, Look, I'm, ah, doctor who's done that foundation training the UK on D I would really like the opportunity to work in your hospital. Here's my CV. Was there anything other application process or what? What did they send back to you once? You s obviously, you know, a couple of them just didn't email back. I think that part of it was time in, So knowing that Australian Year starts in January as August in the UK means that you kind of have to start a little bit earlier, get into that process and if you get the timing's right, essentially need to know that They're gonna be looking around a little around February March, Time for that next year. Post. So you almost have to be, like, eight months in advance for a general start day now. Obviously, they just Like I said, Australia is pretty reliable bridge doctors. So they do have a lot of August updates as well. So you just got a kind of email and discuss it out on by think here. People got pretty keen for us to come out, so I mean, I was going to come out in August, but by the time I got a house is letting the October on, so they were just kind of think they're all now just it does matter what time you come in. Just just get you operation in. Basically, Yeah, I guess because obviously we're living in such a president of times. Um, it's difficult for them to, actually. Oh, it's been used over and over again. Uh, I think, uh, living memory anyway, Um, yeah, I think with countries like museum in Australia, who particularly, um, you know, quite strong with their lockdowns and their policies from the offset, um, I think that is obviously more difficult to get get into those countries. But as you said they're so reliant on bridge ducks. Is that and there's there's a demand. There is well, so there's there's hope. Basically, yeah, good. Like I said, I just like this people still coming out. So I think if people are thinking even now, they could definitely get in the next, like 2020 to start date, So it's still doable. I think the tricky thing is now there's more people staying as well. But now that the UK so come out, I think it's a lot of more British Doctor's going back. Um, this is instructed, they know, stuck here and actually being almost locked out of the UK is it's a bit of a difficult thing to live with, but yes, yeah, on, um, and obviously, uh, noted or highlighted in case you weren't aware that there were many obstacles with in terms of getting to Australia, Uh, in a regular year. What? What's the process of applying like So you've obviously mentioned reaching out metals? Um, same TV, obtaining an interview on what was your interview like? I know I had it about three or four interviews a mother would particularly difficult, arduous. They just ask things like, Why Australia? Why? It's just it's all on. There was be one or two clinical case is nothing that has a normal F two you couldn't really deal with. They were really trying to test you for, um, I think once you Then I saw you. We got about out of four interviews and we got three of the job offers on day two of them got deferred. Really? I was pretty much down to one. Uh, on. I was like, No, I need to get out in August. I wasn't particularly keen on waiting to January on. Then, to be honest, it was after that. That was a lot of hard work on bank for me. I had an amazing immigration officer by the hospital, like, guided me through the whole thing, but there's plenty of documents accent on this Facebook groups that really outlined the process. Therefore, you a lot of X darts with just getting all the paperwork ready s so you need to get certified documents of your degree except for, and receive the all of this. Um, and then as it notarized. Yeah, the notarized Yeah, forget it. Notarized Buy. It can't just be like one of your doctor friends. Unfortunately, has to be. Oh, sure, I tried. I I just, uh Yeah, I mean, I guess the next night I mean, the big toe is probably money I don't have been told. And then 1/4 year, that is it's quite expensive process. You're going to make your money back when you get here, so But you just need to have something saved up, especially for the I think, you know, all in all, including the including flats that eventually got it. And obviously the flight said I got on our significant more expensive than they would have been saying 2018 to 2019, but and seven flights because I know that was reaching. So the double figures at one point? Yeah. Yeah. So it was before I actually ended up going through. But the flight process, I mean, that was probably the hardest thing. It was like every day, thanking at that point, I was living with you. I was just locating a couple of ships, and I'm just sitting in the living room is constantly life's kind of black. Go. I mean flights, so that was probably the hardest thing. Goodness, Um, the rest of it is just paperwork. So you just got to get the full registration for Akron, which is estrogen is equivalent of GMC. Um, just got security checks and all that. And police record checks, which is just money and hate work in a bit repetitive, but nothing too arduous, but yeah, the flights day Lord that I missed using it. You allow you still using it, Losing it together? I think, uh, but we pulled through is a group we pulled through. And, uh, how blood, You know, your your How did you find? Sort of the adjustment from working in the UK and obviously heading to a completely different country. But when I guess a community of Brits doctors, um, already in place. Yeah. I mean, it's funny, because I had obviously the toothpicks in quarantine here. Yeah, and a lot of that. Well, I mean, you know, I was freaking out about that. I am terrible. My own company. Just I thought I was going to drive myself, but actually, it wasn't that bad. I mean, I definitely had a lucky So I try to get a quarantine hotel in Brisbane. So the city I was working in at that time they were letting us having his life. The fresh air brakes, what I called I like our yard time. So way got a sculptor by police on Does a kind of a couple of groups, like maybe two groups of eight allowed in outside on by the end of the two weeks. That is lovely little little community of, like, yogurt in the morning. And then we might wind up, have a lot of came back down and had, like a Really it's actually just a chat. It was lovely. Now I know City A Melbourne wasn't doing this obviously s. So you know, I was lucky in that sense, but quarantine gave me that chance that it's really, like, figure out what I was doing here, just like reading some resources because, you know, everyone says Australian, you care pretty similar, but actually, when you get here it there are some really big difference is obviously they have a seven privatize system here, which took I mean, I'm still getting used to it, To be honest, it's very tricky in the hospital I work out is that technically private, but has a public system is part of it. So we're having in the e d. Especially, like deal with both. So it's It's a bit tricky because you just don't have the and then a chest. You just don't even factor that in the office first, do you work in that? That private part in addition to the public sector is well, yeah, yeah, So yes, because after I work, A has both, Um, when a person comes in through by an ambulance, for example, the quite unwell and they haven't said they've got private, they would just come to our E D department, but often when they knew, prefer or one of the first questions a consultant Mass is. Actually, they have private health care insurance because then what we can do is refer them to the private care system. But it's not as easiest thing like only have private health gang of this excess and all of this, and it depends on what they coming in for if it's surgical medical, so it's really quite complicated. It's not just easiest picking up the phone to the surgical register, I'd be like, you know, I've got appendicitis. If you take this one on there, be like, do they have private health care insurance and won't cover them for this operation? Yeah, it's interesting. Yeah, and so you're so your time. So Finest, really is the mainly based in in the emergency department, Um, eso in terms off, um, the private sector on the public sector in terms of that yet sort of the universal healthcare system. Um, how do you feel that differs that from what private health care means in the UK or because private health care, I guess to me in the UK means, you know, you may get a bit of a bigger room on. Things happen a bit quicker. Yeah. Treated potentially a bit bit more special. Um, some of the other patients in the hospital. What says it's going like, you know, straight. Uh, yeah. So you know, when I first came here first, I don't Still I'm all for that hs. I think Manny Chases is an incredible foundation and incredible health system. And I honestly still believe that it's second to none. But as I've spent more time here, I think I understand the use of a semi private system and essentially in Australia. What happens is if, if they believe, if you can afford to have proper healthcare issues, you sure you on that essentially reduces the pressure from the public systems and and still has access to a public system on your money goes towards that as well. And make sure that everyone considered foreign. You know, this is an HS. We know it's struggling because it's free, the point of of access, but it's it's, you know, it's running on a very tight budget when we're giving us. You know, private people, when people hear have the appropriations access, their private health, their phones, it just means that there's less people growing for the doors, a public care systems, and it just makes it distributes that a lot. I see. Yeah. Yeah. So you've been working there now for, um, roughly around this 10, Maybe. But in 11 months or so now? Yeah. What would you say is your most sort of enjoyable aspect of of working life And what is working like like in general? Uh, yeah. I mean, I don't know when it started with this one, I just I just love all of it. It's good. It's not nice. I mean, I never worked in the bombing in the UK, so I've got little to compare it with. But I have obviously had some time there. I was an order except Joe and all of this. So I spent time in a store, how hectic it could be and, you know, can be busy here. But all in all, it's just a little bit, well staffed, a little bit. You know, there's just no element of resource pressure. I think that's the biggest thing know over there. I swear to God, a half my job was begging for scans, and here it's very true. Yeah, it's exciting, sexist, green and just gets done. CT like, understand, It's unreal you don't have to do. And I think part of that, we'll say, is the reason why I kind of I thought I wouldn't. I mean, you need this. I didn't really wanna do ET. I really wanted you medicine here, And I have rotation on medicine since, but I really didn't think that was for me. But actually here I feel like you get to work. People are right to the end on. You kind of get to bundle them up in this nice little package and give them to a team. But we started all of this kind of know what's going on. Yeah, it's no, a bit of a statin and dark like they're on well stable on the move. All Yeah, Yeah, but that's the whole point. In the UK, you have to triage them. You have to stay. But I said because I'm going with that, I think the UK has come around this by having the medical and surgical assessment. You know, it's just a buffer. The e d. A little bit. They're not so common place here. We don't really have them do a lot of a lot of the stuff. And doctors are those those assessment units? We're getting there nicely. Interesting on, but what's your sort of work schedule like, um, you know, in where you're working. Uh, okay, so I guess coming up on medicine, But in EDTA it was, um, another little bonus. Here. You get paid every two weeks. Okay? It's a small thing, but actually really makes it. Yeah, exactly. Your life. But so the cycle is a fortnight. It's like a monthly cycle on. Do you tend to Teo 4 10 hour shifts a week, Roughly between you rotate it to four and five week, indeedy. Yeah, even even nights. Even 9 to 10 hours. And I just Now that I've done 10 on actress, I just cannot go back to 12 or 13 hours. They are. I don't know how we did them. They were. So I actually took it for I think a lot of PT night shifts are town ships and escape trying cross. And also in in Darby, in Kingsmill as well. Good. Okay, Yeah. That's what the medical medical ships, they're usually sort of. Yeah, 12 in half that. Yeah. That hung call s Oh, yeah, he was fine on the international, Pretty similar to the UK Then it sounds like, and then they're That's just in a couple of those. Just a swell on the medicine. It's weird because I don't think I necessarily designed for this because we just had shift work in the UK It's a 9 to 5 or 8 to 4. Job for the rest of medications and being surgical doing medical journal anesthetics. Unless you're obviously a picture of a straw. Um, which I think I'm kind of used to shift. That is, that is probably why I prefer et work, um, on betweens. And also have this reading were system where they give you your relieve as a five week block. This just as a while. But I think that's really you need to queens on as a day. I think in other places, they do it like that. You know, I think there's a couple of hospitals. I do it like that, but it's really all its sister. Um, So if you know, you are just doing medicine surgery, then have, like, you know, potentially could have no 10 months with no and Aleve other than the weekends, which you know is what normal. We will get by just Yeah. You got the stuff arranged. A Z. Well, you need that one. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, Exactly. Yeah. So it's a little inflexible in that sense. Uh, yeah, you could make it. What? I guess, um on then? Yes. So then they have another sister block. So they're blocks here? Actually, it should be mentioned there. 10 weeks. Well, between five and 10 weeks as opposed to the four months or six months rotations that we get in the UK it's quite quick, but if you're if you are rotating, is great because you like I. For the last three months now I've tried about 56 different specialties going up and going, yeah, for you and it's great. And, you know, you just get enough of the flavor to know what it's like. I'm actually an affair in five weeks, I think, obviously not enough. But I think it's nice to have a little flavor, say, especially that you're just never going to get exposed to walking sometimes, um, but yes. And then they have walk or blocks, which is essentially out of our cut cover on. Then again, you do that for five weeks. Now, go like that wasn't fun. That was pretty intense at my hospital. There's only one of you overnight, not like how we had it and our be, You know, we had a nice little system. Ah, yeah, it's It's a little bit more hardcore, but actually off I I enjoy. Sometimes it's it's the only time that you feel like you can make your own clinical judgment decisions on. Yeah. So that's kind of how it works. I I've just done. I finished that block about five weeks now. Um, 95 medicine of what you did coming up again. Nice. Okay to her about the positives. Ah. Ah, a lot. A lot about this. Uh, what would you say is, um, more of a sort of a negative aspect of of your time there in terms of the work and anything that you feel is particularly, um, not very positive. Very positive. Less, um, less. Well, you know, obviously, I mentioned the fact that, you know, most of it is 95. As you get more senior, he goes back to shift work. You know, the breads trials were off to be due to go back again, but I think when you've been working there and just even for two years, you kind of get used to the shift work and it you like. I like having my random do sales so I can go to the post office, and I think that I missed that. Yeah, um, or, like, you know, shopping, shopping trip on a Wednesday. Love it. Uh, I think for me the hardest thing, really. I mean, it still comes down to cope with the fact that, you know, if anything was happening in the UK that I need to come back. Teo does like a challenge possible being able to leave with straight in the room. It so that kind of you get a little anxiety juice inducing, I guess. Um, yeah, I think that's about it. Really? I don't think anything else like that. So those those are positives. Catch, Ms. You think that's a really big negative? I missed all my friends. Okay, so we missed years old one. I saw the line line of short. Have you have got any thoughts to come back to the UK It a little. And what what's your plan In terms of your career going forwards? Do you feel that's a very difficult question to answer? Yeah. I mean, it's a good thing that I've already kind of broke this with my parents, so they know the answer. But I'm thinking you're staying. Goodness, um and weirdly like I said, I enjoyed meeting far more than I thought I would. So, potentially looking into any training. Um, but also, you know, they've got a rural rural medicine this big in a straight out. Like obviously you rural medicine in the UK just will not compare because rural medicine Australia is like, you know, a helicopter will take 4.5 hours to get them. So doctors in those kind of communities do so pretty cool stuff. Um, I can't really get into it until I've been a whole year of trading in Australia, so I can really start looking into that from essentially next month. So it's something I kind of want to try out of it. Um, and see if I want to do on a broad GP or Roy D. So, Yeah, I think I'm gonna stay. Uh, you know, a person on this on this podcast now the people around the world of, um But look, I'm actually General, one of the few. I think there's a few of us saying, but the majority of people doctor here, I think you're heading back to the UK. I think they just want to put it off for another year until the receptors down. Really? Yeah. I mean, obviously, I'm quite lucky. I'm not really looking into a surgical specialty. But I think the doctors that are, um it's actually a lot harder to get a surgical training room. Australia So much harder. So thank God I don't want to do that. But the British doctors that do we're going to send in tree and just realize that if they need to go back to the UK, especially because they're said, especially is out there that don't really favor extended period. Yeah, um, although the bed that I guess the stigmatism against taking time out training is, um is lessening mawr more. Um, um, having those opportunities abroad or having those opportunities to conduct something different with in your non training sort of post is being seen. Is something a lot more positive? Actually, a swell, because you can actually, um, holding on skills and develop skills and do projects that can only strengthen your applications is it's not something to be completely put up by. But there are certain specialty traditionally don't favor such a long period of time, meaning low surgeries. That makes sense. Yeah, and so moving on with that, actually, in terms of sort of, um, improving your skills, doing projects, stuff for your portfolio and you know, we're all about portfolios, and, you know, she would be able to reiterate that as well. What? What did you feel? It was easy to maintain a portfolio. Did you maintain a portfolio? You could You could be as honest as you like. We're not. We're not here to sort of badgered people. Portfolios of think Severe said last week as well that he didn't really think about it for Leo Much. Um, s Oh, yeah. I'm not sure. I I think they're six months was in my head off. I was in the holiday mode. I know I was working, but I run, you know, traveling around a straight at once. I still have the charge. Is obviously I didn't take it for granted for the fact that Australian Open on day just can I pull my hand? Okay. You got a problem with the other one? You know, they allow was going off something. So where was that? I kind of worse. Oh, yeah. No. Yeah. So I most important this is that? Well, the most important bit I can honestly say over the last six months, I did not think I'm up a while yet. I was busy trying to make my life in Australia. I forgot what the liver to get. My friends were traveling beautiful country on. It's probably only in the last four months that I've said I think about my port failure. Uh, there is really good. They give you a budget study budget or of one hospital does on, and they give you a video thymus. Well, so your books in a couple of courses. But I have to be honest. I think it's a lot more. There's probably people out there who are focusing a lot more that for four years in the CBC. No, it's just it hasn't really been my priority at the moment. Uh uh. You know, I think my practice is definitely changing, as as I go into my next my next year in Australia. I'll be focused on that a lot more, another kind of know what I'm hurting in on. But I think the first year was just trying to figure out why I want to do. And what my life in Australia with any that adjustment period. Yeah, yeah, that's a really big around. Exactly what you're doing is difficult. Um, you know to keep up a portfolio at times, But obviously, it's an essential piece of, um, documentation throughout your career. So it's good that you picked it up? Uh, in terms of the portfolio system in Australia, do they have their own? So, um, online portfolio, our house, this sort of work. Uh, really. There isn't much of a system. It depends on the certain specialties. So surgery ones, I think they do have a nice article. Port failure. Yeah. I'm not really looked into that That much Extending your Horace. Thank you. Yeah, you should get one open. Uh, yeah. So I think as British doctors were you first like they don't have these minimum sign off. So you just have a couple of meetings with the fires, etcetera. But you can have a case. Look. So that's a stomach. This one that I've done especially eating my problem. My sleep is learning. Um, I just kept a bit of a mean it just that offers, like, a paper book that I had another shifts with me and now just talked up on two XL's. So nothing crazy but enough that if I need it in the future, I got something back up there? Yeah. Perfect. Yeah. Um, Andi, I guess you know the last thing I want to ask her. It is, um, for those who want to pursue something, um, similar to what you've done either in Australia and New Zealand know elsewhere abroad. What would be your your top tip top advice. Piece of advice for somebody who wants to see you. Something similar? Yes. I mean, I can't say top. I'll just give it a general one, But I get in the earlier likely stay. Remember that they start in January, so start a few months before that. Don't be disheartened because, you know, I was sending out multiple females like I love help the number of emails that I sent out. Um, but eventually, I got a job here in me. One job. I had a friend that I applied with. Weight didn't go to the same hospital. Did you go to the same state? To be honest, but it was just nice having someone there to do it with interview prep. But it's the same, I guess, in the UK, like, even if you're going for the same surgical specialty all minute was you just have someone to revise bed, and I I wear it. Just took a little bit of bird and off. Um, we could, like, you know, help each other out. It's just finding someone, cause they'll get maybe someone that, you know that wants to do the same thing on just get on top of the paperwork because, well, it's all that's done. Um, it's all through. Then you just have to get here and just flights the multiple flies. Wow. Um, yes. So that I spend 1 40 mg. Um, today, I think we've covered, um, all the aspects and that we wanted to, um, with the gods. They're working abroad, working Australia. Um, obviously, because of the time difference in the scheduling where we weren't able to do this live, eh? So if there any questions that, um, anybody does have in the chat, you're in the live stream. Um, obviously, right. Right. The questions down and we'll try and answer them as best as we can. Um, if you're able to answer questions, yeah, and then we'll obviously be able to really that, um, forward a swell if anybody does have any questions. Um, yeah. Thank you very much for talking to us today. Ah, on. We also just want to make us ah, special announcement to metal metal Ah, company that have, um sponsored and supported the F three Siris and the launch of the port protocol in IC and by myself and shift, um, medal are a company that essentially wind and access to a medicine. Um, they tried a number of courses, and they have a number of videos on very interesting topics. Um, in the field of medicine and they actually have their own portfolio. Sistemas. Well, so, um, thank you. Want against metal for sponsoring this? Um, the next episode that we have, um, will be the final episode in the F three Siris. That'll be the alternate every three week at two. Luke, who is a cruise doctor? Um and so we're very excited for that, Um, as well. Yeah, I guess. Thank you. Once again, Uh, yeah. On and, uh, enjoy the next couple of months of summer going forward, way head into a lot of the winter on. I'm sure that you'll be making the most of the sun on your ah, fingers crossed. Then we'll look down. I think it's got