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Sure. Sure. And you see that now? Yeah, it's working brilliant. OK. There we go. Sorry, everyone. So welcome to our talk on choosing Edin. We're going to do the introduction, CS FP, choosing Edin session. Um My name is Ruby and I've also got Jack with me and Jacky will take us away with what we're gonna cover today. Sure. So thank you for the introduction. So we're doing this for the second time. So please bear with us. Um This session will cover the following. So how to start prepping research for your SFP. So in other words, how to research, what, you know, what dean to apply to et cetera, what to look for when choosing a program is, you know, research method or um or leadership tracks the way to go. Um you know, is geography versus the actual program itself more important. Um And what are your priorities and then getting the most from your SFP? So this is Jack. So this is me. So this is a bit of this is um it's quite funny to call myself a doctor, but I'm a doctor now. So um I'm Jack, I went to Cardiff University. Um and graduated in the top 10% of my cohort did a master's at the London School of High and Medicine if you can read there and did my elective at Oxford. Um I quite like publishing, hence why I'm doing the research track at Yorkshire and Humber. But I also applied to Oxford and I got my number one job in Yorkshire Huer with a neurosurgical post as my sho job as well. So, um yeah, that's me. Um This is me, I'm Ruby. I did my um medical degree at Leeds and I've also integrated in medical education. Um I, I have interest in surgery, P I in G and I got my first choice in FFP and Leeds in one of the medical education positions. Um I've also presented at medical education conferences and run workshop at those as well. So that's a little bit about me. As you can see, I'm very medical education focused whilst I'm a bit more research led. So my, so this slide is basically going to sum up a couple of questions you should ask yourself. So is the SFP for you? Right? So I interchangeably call it the A FP because I'm a bit older, but traditionally the A FP was what it was called before. You know, the introduction of med and leadership tracks. So is the A FP for you, you need to ask yourself is the program itself. What you want to do is the location more important or will, do you not care where you're gonna go because the A FP is competitive, it's about 10% of the national jobs for foundation program allocated. And it is a rather rigorous process to get a job. So you need to decide whether you want to put the time and effort and if you've got all those things on your portfolio to go for the SFP, um and you know, some people will be opposed to it. Some people don't want to take a four month rotation and sacrifice clinical time. Some people don't want to take a bit of a pay cut because nine till five where you might lose a bit of money compared to doing weekends on calls, et cetera. So do consider that, but you need to really decide, is that full month rotation or doing academic day release? Is that what you really wanna do? And is it not just the name you're applying for? Um So, you know, you got three tracks now. So research Med Ed or leadership, most jobs are research um focused or med ed based leadership is lesser as there's less, there's lesser post and lesser dearies which have the leadership jobs. But you need to be asking yourself is research, what you want to do is it project you want to do? You know, focusing on, is it lab work? Audi Q I et cetera or do you want to do something more like med Edie such as teaching Ruby probably knows a lot more, a lot more than me. But when it comes to like Med Ed or do you want to, you know, do a leadership track? Like I know si news will allow you to like shadow the CEO of trust, for example. So just have a, is geography more important to you than where you're going to end up. So some people will be very much adamant on. I want to be at this one location that everything I know is there, et cetera or some people like myself couldn't care where they go if they just get an academic job with a very good sort of post which is attached to it. That is what I want to do. And again, you have to consider, would you be happy living in those areas? I'm from Cardiff and I've moved all the way up to, you know, Yorkshire and Humber. That's a big jump for me. I've never really lived in the north of north of the UK. So there are differences, you know, you have to also consider what you have to apply. As I've said, the A FP is competitive and there will be things, you know, there will be applicants who have got a lot more than you do and you need realize, OK, play to your strengths. What do you have? What can you emphasize to the interview panel? What can you emphasize from your portfolio to get an interview, you just need to play to your strengths and when you know, and also the application is quite soon. Actually, it's the end of September, the deadline and interviews are sort of November December time. So does that fit around your exams? Most people will be in the final year. So you need to realize, can I fit around those times and then, and if you have extra to consider, you know, or don't neglect your personal life, if you don't want to do the A FP because of a certain reason, don't do it, you need to be 100% committed to want to do it at a certain place because unfortunately, that's the way, you know, that's the way the ranking works and that's how it the allocation works. So just also consider everything and be holistic, not just, you know, tunnel vision with the academic side of things I'd say next time. And so I just popped a slide in here about how to find the information. So um the UK FPO website is very good at giving you a general idea of what things consist of because everything is so specific to each dean you apply for, you have to go through each of the deaneries websites to find any significant information about what you're applying to and what those jobs kind of look like. This. This link here along the bottom is really useful. It gives you a link to all of the Deaneries on one page. Um You also need to listen to people's experiences. I know when I was applying, I use people who my friends that have applied for a FP. And they helped me decide whether it was for me, whether um they helped me kind of gather my ideas together and about application, about what I want to say, my wife face questions and then I just reached out to them with questions at any, any point or any time that I had them and they were always on hand to kind of help me. Those people are really useful. I imagine those people very much exist in your medical schools. You may know some of them, you may not. But those have people that we all kind of are, they'd be very happy to help. I know that was always the case when I reach out to those people and it would be the same if you guys reached out to any of those. I'm sure you have access to our emails. I think we've made those available to you. Um If you do want to send us any questions, please ask or stick around at the end. We're here to help you. This is why we're doing this. Um But yeah, the individual Deanery websites are your best bet to find out what each job offers because I know for some jobs, for example, down in Bristol, um you have um research that is specificly tied to a job. So, for example, you have an oncology research, you have vascular research. Whereas in York and Hum, it is a little bit more flexible with kind of your interests and what you want to do. Um, and it's, I think Jack was saying it before that it was the same Cambridge where they are specifically tied to a certain research. So that's something you can only find out by going through each of the deary websites. Yeah. So just to sort of piggyback from that is the sop for you. Now, I would say the best thing to do, you understand what it means is to listen to other people's experiences. And I am the number one ambassador for linkedin. If you haven't got linkedin, please go and get it because that's how I network with people at my respective deaneries to have a look at my whitespace questions and to ask any questions about the actual um the actual program itself. I would say that, you know, you can watch all the youtube videos into the sun from people who've done it in the past. But because the short listing changed and changes every year, some of those experiences might be slightly neglected. So just please take a look at, you know, the applicant guides on the Deanery websites, the White Space questions which are already out at the moment, you should start prepping them. And just again, you can always reach out to us, we are very busy people, but you can definitely reach out to us. So have a look at who's done it and ask questions. So, research, leadership or medical education each differ again, depending on which foundation of school and it comes down to researching what roles are out there and what suits you best. So I I'm assuming by coming to this talk that most of you already have an idea of what you want to apply for. Um But in leeds, for example, or Yorkshire and Humber, you have to rank every single job in that dean and some people I know got, I wanted to get research or and then ended up with a medical education or vice versa. Would you be happy to do that? These are questions you kind of need to start asking yourself because if you do get interviewed, if you do get an offer, then those offers you only get 48 hours to accept or reject those. So these are questions you need to ask yourself. Now, in case you do get an offer that you need to prepare for if I want this medical education job and I don't get it, am I still gonna do research? Is that something that would make me happy? Is that something that I want to give up a four month clinical buck for doing something? Maybe that I'm more interested in. These are questions you have to keep asking yourself. So um again, this is the whole point of geography versus actual, where do you want to go? So where do you want to live? Do you want to maximize the chances of having an SFP or do you want to live in a SUSP respective location? Because it's nice or it's a better area or for example, your family are from there, you've got personal connections. Sometimes it is worth looking at the competition ratios for the year prior. I personally didn't follow these because I just that you just apply to the places you want to apply to. All I did know was certain deaneries were more sort of oversubscribed than others. Meaning that the three I knew which were majorly oversubscribed would be London, Oxford and Cambridge um purely because some people just want to apply there. Some of the, you know, the institutions are reputable. London's a big epicenter for anyone to be honest. But I knew for a fact that I do want to go to London purely because I did my master's there and London's very expensive and I'm broke so I didn't want to go. Um And I just, I just was more privatized over the job and the flexibility. So I knew Oxford and Yorkshire hum. They had, they weren't specific tracks of specific specialities you would have to apply for it was you make you enquire about your own research project. You do what you want to do. That is where I had the liberty while some of the places were basically you go into a project and asset. Um So I didn't like that personally. Um And just Fy, I for London, the, the perks actually are not as much as you'd imagine. They don't fund PG certs or anything like that. So just be warned. Um, but again, it's the epicenter of everywhere. So, um, so you do have to have a look at the pros and cons between the. So I would take from the slide, nothing. I wouldn't be looking at the competition ratios personally, look where you want to apply. If you really want to maximize your chances, you could apply for one Deanie which is a bit more oversubscribed and one which is less so. But knowing the A FP is competitive wherever you go, like I know last year Scotland was majorly oversubscribed. Bristol was oversubscribed. Northern was oversubscribed everywhere. I'm I'm being honest, lots of places were oversubscribed and predicting this year with the changes to the A foundation program and no SJT, it will probably be even more sub oversubscribed. So just warning you um just apply where you want to apply, forget the competition ratios. Yeah, I just want to add on there. I think my recommendation to you all would be if I had actual advice would be kind of go with geography first, where would you be happy to live and then do the research into those places and rule some out. So start with like seven or eight, narrow it down to three or four and then, then have, then go with what you want to do. Where are you gonna put for your two choices? But I just wanted to add here as well that it's not just, oh, I'm going to Yorkshire and Humber for my SFP. There's lots of sfps in Yorkshire and Humber. Some of them aren't in very nice places to live. Um That's what it's not just looking at the whole Deaner, it's looking where, where actually all these jobs am I going to end up somewhere undesirable to me personally, that's something I considered. I didn't want, I put some of them very low down in the rankings because that's not what I wanted personally. That's again a question. You have to ask yourself and work out what you want. Um, but I agree about the competition ratios. It's going to be crazy competition for any SFP. So do what you want to go with your heart. Basically. Only you can really know what's best for you. So, um other things to consider. When is your SF block? So some have a four months altogether and some have a day a week, a bit like the lift program where you go to GP, one day a week. So that's something to consider. How would you like your time to be spent? It's also something to look at in the research. Some sfps have on calls included. Um I know in leeds, half the research blocs have on calls. Half don't and you don't really know until you get them. Um That's can be a good thing because you get extra money. It can be a bad thing because if you're undertaking a really hefty research project and you need your time to look at your data, analyze your data and do those things, then you're already losing a chunk of that time. That's something to consider. Some. Do you know his interview? Some do not. What are your strengths? Do you think you do? Well at an interview? Have you done lots of a two E stations before where you think you've come across really well? Or do you know your portfolio portfolio is amazing for me. I knew my portfolio was excellent and I looked at the portfolio um checklist for leads and I knew I'd score really highly there and I've never really done an interview and any interview practice for the A FP before. So I knew that maybe wouldn't have been a strength of mine. So that was something that really drove me down that path and some Deaner is allocated to research centers, as I said before, others are more flexible. And then there's also the additional extras we've been talking about. Some pay for you to do a PG cert in medical education. Some also pay for you to get a PG cert if you're on research and some pay for you to get a PG cert and an extra leadership module or even a bass in the leadership ones. So that's all something that's, um, good to look at when you're researching. I know when I was looking in Manchester, some of the medical education jobs say that we'll pay for you to get a PT Cert and some of them you have to pay for yourselves. So that's, that's something to also consider. Is that something you're going to want to do? Um, is it something that's expected of you? Is it something that's encouraged, kind of getting to grips with what you need to do in your SFP as well? Because it's going to be a lot doing undertaking research project, doing extracurriculars, doing teaching and getting, going back to university to get PG cert. So also finally, each Deery has its own timeline. Um, obviously, there's the big overall arching timeline when the deadline is, but then interviews and other things like, um, your portfolio checker and things like that, they all have their own their own timeline within each deary, knowing those deadlines and working out what's feasible? Is it the same day as your SGT, do you have finals that week? Working out these things in advance will help you prepare. So, back to Jack, right. So just a bit of about an insight into where I applied. So I applied to Yorkshire, Humber and Oxford. So my, I was, I was, I think I applied quite strategically actually. So um I only had to do three white space questions. There was only one for Oxford and I think it's still, it's either one or two this year as well and then two for Yorkshire and Humber. Um and they were standards, to be honest, they were very much like where, where do you want to apply? Why do you want to apply? And like, I think your was about a team or like team, manage something like that. I can't remember team working skills or something. Um So Ren Humber is wonderful because they don't interview and if you have a er, if you're a bit of a portfolio medic then and you've got all the portfolio points, then it's a no brainer really that you can sort of secu work out if you're the probability of you getting a place in Yorkshire and Humber based on the short list of Matrix, which is available. Now, it's changed from last year though. So please have a look. Um But if you work it out, you can sort of roughly know if you're going to get a job or not. Um just on probability, there's no guarantee but you know, simple probabilities. Um Whilst Oxford had the classic four station interview which was 15 minutes, it was not very nice, wasn't pleasant and it was stressful. It was two clinical stations, um A two E and they would throw in some like curveballs and then two non clinical like research based interpreting data, et cetera and then like um about projects, et cetera. So I would say even though the, you know, it's the same program, the deaneries are very, very different. So please look at the websites. Oxford is very vague. They will not tell you how they shortlist by the way. So I saw a question on the chat. Oxford is extremely vague. They do not tell you exactly how they shun in is very specific. So you'll know what you'll score, but Oxford doesn't, so you won't know Cambridge is similar, they won't either. So just have a look. Um And what I did was I compared my portfolio to some people who had it last year who got in for or had an interview. So that is the only way to really know, unfortunately, and because they've got rid of um of um your death. Um an E PM, we don't know, we don't know what, what is gonna happen. So it's a bit of a guinea pig year unfortunately, for you, for you guys. Um So that's where I applied. Um next slide fab. So, and this is my con this is my pros and cons for each. So Yorkshire and Humber where I am at now, it was purely portfolio based mentioned. However, you had to upload evidence and I mean, it was in the 11th of January by the way, that was the, that was the results day when we got it, you had to upload it, battle wasn't it? You had to upload all your evidence of your portfolio and, and usually for other deaneries, you don't have to. And when you submit to Oriel, you don't have to put the evidence, you just have to put like put me ID presentation et cetera and prize. You don't have to actually put like evidence to show that you've done, you know, like certificates, et cetera. You don't have to a Humble wanted it. So like I remember sending in my like scanning in my degree certificate, everything um and letters of recommendation for like, you know, other stuff. So just be warned, you have to get all that evidence. But if you have all that, then your au Humble should be a nobrainer, there was no interview stress um and you can rank all your jobs and there was med research whilst Oxford was only research jobs. Um So you could rank all 70 something jobs. It's a very large deanery. Um Meaning you can pick and choose where you want to go. Some of the less, less desirable places you can avoid or not even rank on your list. You can just not actually rank them at all. Um The big perk is you get an extra qualification be in either either PG Cert or meds, er PG Cert and health research or me actually quite expensive. Some of them go up to about five grand to do so if you have the opportunity to do it and it's funded, do it because these will help your specialty applications. Um It's a block so you, you know, you have the protected time to do it. And I there was um because I want to do neurosurgery, um there was only about 15 rotations nationally which had a neurosurgical sho job. So having the A FP with the neurosurgery job, I was like, it's a no brainer. So I put that as my top Oxford as I mentioned before, vague shortlisting interview interview was not nice, no funded PG cert or anything. It's block based on academic data release and it did not have a new surgical sho post. So on hindsight, looking back on it, um Yorkshire Ham sort of was a bit of like a destiny call for me because I got the job I wanted and I also got the FP. So the only issue is, and I will warn you when being very picky with the dean choices and the rotations, please like the rotations you're going to do. I was very specific because I got a neurosurgical job at the end of it. But the rotations I got in the first year are less desirable and in a less desirable area. So I'm not gonna say where um but it's not the nicest of areas and um it's been proving quite challenging. So sometimes they'll pair you up with the less desirable posts with the A FP as well. So please look at the rotations because they can, that can make it or break it as well. Um And that's where I played. Um So I also applied to Yorkshire and Humber and the reasons are similar to Jack, but also I didn't go into this process. Um I didn't know I was going to do an SFP for starters. I didn't know what it was. Um, and then I saw the medical education post when they were doing lectures with you about different routes to go down. And I was like, why can't I apply for that as well? I'm not the most academic, um, le geared medical person. So I've not presented at hundreds of conferences. I've done a few here and there and I've published a little but not a lot and this didn't seem like something that was for me. And then I saw the medical education thing and I was like, well, why not? Um, so that was the first reason, um, I wasn't actually wanting to stay in Yorkshire. Hum. Um, so that's another thing that kind of happened to me. But I guess there's real positives, um, to that. So, first of all, unlike Jack, I actually know the hospitals, the medical education ones are better, one of them has got a worse reputation, but actually it's a really good hospital to work in super social and very well supported. Now. And that's a good thing about kind of applying some, you know, maybe it's worth having a look into the SFS in your area because you can avoid that situation that Jack's ended up in a little bit there. Um Manchester, I wanted to apply to and I don't mean this in any way as in negative towards, um Manchester at all. But when I was doing my research, I saw they had an interview, it was very close to my SGT date. Um And because the SFP was new and it might change, it might have changed this year. The information on the website was vague about medical education. It was very vague. It was like it said, all of these things are subject to change, they hadn't changed them. There wasn't really much information and I just thought I don't want to apply for it. If they can't give me enough information to help me make a decision, then what's it going to be like for the next two years? And it didn't seem super well structured when I was applying for it. So that's why I kind of avoided that. And then obviously with the auction, ho you've got all the perks that Jackson Jackson mentioned. The PTC. It's a block. My rotations are great and I love them. I'm excited to do them next year and the hospitals are nice. I'm sure that's the same for like many other places, but I personally want to stay in the north. Um, so that's why that was where my head was at, why I applied and where I looked. Um, so, yeah, that was kind of me, obviously, I'm very northern centric. Um, but I've been doing a little bit of other research and while I've been preparing this presentation and there is similar things in other deaneries like Bristol, for example, they seem to have a really rigorous program and they seem to know exactly what they're doing in across the years and you can see which hospitals and you'll be at and they seem to have quite good grounding and there's other, there's other places that's exactly like that, but those added extras I would say are very, were very attracted, attractive to me. And that's one of the reasons I stayed here. Um It's, yeah, that's one of the reasons I stayed here. So that's, that's me really. Um So that does kind of bring us to the end of this. The main takeaway point from this is it's all about how you research and to just go with your gut, we can't really tell you where to apply. Um because it's such a personal decision or what to apply for because only you truly know what you're gonna be happy with. Jack obviously wanted that SFP and has taken some jobs that he may not have liked is that, is that you as a person, you need to make these decisions for yourself. But hopefully we've made it a little bit clearer or just giving you a basis to go off and do that research now. So, thank you so much for listening. And if you have any questions, we'll be here. Don't know if you have anything to add Jack. No. So just to say, um, as a Welshman and study in Cardiff, um Welsh program is a bit different for a FP. Um, it's, it's very so last year, the way it worked was you didn't apply separately and it was ranked on how well you did in the foundation program that you could apply then for a FP job. So that it was, it wasn't a separate process. I think they're pushing to a separate process. I don't know if it's the same now. But the other thing I didn't like about the Welsh one is that it's anywhere in Wales. And I know me knowing the hospitals, I knew that South Wales, where I'm from, Cardiff, that's the only place I really want to be. Um, and again, you just don't know where you're gonna be. So that's the reason why I didn't apply for, for the last one. Yeah. As I said, it's just so it's such a personal choice and yeah, there's not really much more we can do to guide you on that. We can just answer questions and obviously there's lots of others that are put together these and we've applied for a range of different ones between us. So hopefully we can point you in the right directions. Yes. Is there any questions at all? Let's have a look. I'm just having a look through the chat now. Ok. It's good from the beginning. Um If anyone does want a pop a question in or just speak up, that's absolutely fine. Ok. I saw a question about after compare with other Oxford interviewees. What similar patterns did you find? Right. OK. So let's try and formulate an answer. So what I found from talking to other people who had the Oxford interview was number one because the because the short list was vague, we had to sort of assume what the criteria was. I know for most people that they did have some publications that they had quite a few poster or conference presentations, maybe a prize or, or two and had an indication and back last year your E PM was counted. So your ranking was counted and most people scored high enough. So I think it was very academic on how they shortlisted and he only shortlisted about, I think it's about 80 or 70 people. So um so yeah, I would say and reflected on the interview itself, it was a very academic interview. So I would say if you are because it's a research dean only if you have, you know, a portfolio which is quite rich in publications, etcetera, then it may be an option for you. But I don't know this yet. We have a couple of other questions. Maybe one for you again, Jack about the Oxford interview, if there's any comments there. And then also one does the interview content differ based on the stream as far as I'm aware? No, it doesn't. Which I found quite hard given my white space question when it's a research based and that's what it's been for years trying to make that stand out, hit the marks and also be tailored towards medical education was quite difficult, but it's something that you have to do. Um So yeah, be prepared for it to be very academic and um not, not geared towards your track at all. Yeah. What I what I found from people sitting in the med interview is exactly the same clinical stations. Maybe one of like where it be like, oh tell me about some research you've done or whatever it'll be instead tell me about med head thing, but it's identical interview. It is literally identical. The clinical stations will be identical. So just be warned they are, it's a very weird interview in the sense that it is quite academic. They do. It's very quick. So to me, it felt like an sky, a very quick sky and um I was not the biggest fan of it and sometimes um from reflection, there will be several panels of different interviewers on the day because sometimes they'll just blitz all the interviews in one day. And what one interviewer said to the other candidate to what another interview said to another candidate. It's a bit like, oy, it's so subjective. Some people had questions I never got. So please just be warned. And I would say please don't compare with other people after the interview. It'll stress you out cos every single person who sat that Oxford interview for me had different, different questions in the research. So please don't just, please don't. My interviewers were very quiet during the whole thing. I feel like I just talked and talked whilst some people were like interjected. So another question, what is the best way to see how my CV application fits in with other potential candidates, linkedin and talking to current sfps? Those are two great ideas. Um I'd say that's a great starting point. Also using um the portfolio based reference sheets is a great way to see what you have. If um for example, Leeds has a good one, I would say use that for even if you're not applying to the auction humber. Um That's what they're looking for, it's there. Um Yeah, see what you've got. And I feel like the sorry, I feel like the Yorkshire Humble one also reflects a lot of like the speciality applications for like IMT and courses. It actually reflect it very similar. So if you've got those points, actually, that's a good thing because it will help. But yeah, checking those things. Um There must be other portfolio based self marking criteria out there. Um Check, check them against each other. That'd be a really good starting point. I think. Do you have any tips on making your portfolio sent out from a med ed position for med? I think using your white space questions um to and making them focus on medical education, having a med twist on them. And for my personal med ed portfolio, I do a lot of teaching. I've always taught even in high school. Um So I've done, I've got about 15 years of teaching experience. I had presented at medical education conferences. I've run workshops at those conferences and networked and I've won prizes for my teaching and things like that. But I would say the thing that made my portfolio stood out, stand out, sorry, wasn't those things? I think where my portfolio stands out is that I've done pretty much everything that I could possibly do extracurricular. I think a lot of people applying to these have those things have prizes have taught, have presented, have published. Um I think what sets me apart was my goals and ambitions and my white face questions because I answered those very personally and that I've done national regional local leadership almost in every society. You could possibly imagine. I got around at UNI and because that's what I enjoy, I have things that I enjoy, like dance drama, those things I'm not, I'm a well rounded person. I think that come at that and your white space questions for me and your interview, those are the things that tie together to make you stand out and I'll be reflective of the Deaner you apply to as well because that's what I felt like in Yorkshire and Humber compared to Oxford. Oxford and London are very rigid research heavy, you know, academic traditional. So play to your strengths, that's the whole point be, be broad. Don't, don't be limited just by, you know, every lo believe me or not, loads of people have published, loads of people have presented it those little things and those white space questions and the ability to reflect on the things you have done to demonstrate to the panel that you're fit to juggle both the foundation program and also research all whatever on the side. That is the whole point because you could be a complete robot and literally just publish after publish but not actually have the, you know, the ability to do everything else. So play, play to that be more personable than like some of these crash courses will say you have to say it this way you have to reflect to it. Don't be yourself. That's great advice. Um OK, more questions. Would you recommend getting in touch with SFP leads? Research provides ahead of time? Jack says you go. Oh, sorry. Yeah, yeah, sorry. I just um so I did for both Yorkshire, Humber and Oxford because I was told, it shows intuition and to be honest, it helped. I don't think even if I didn't, it probably wouldn't have made much of a difference. I'm not gonna lie. It helps structured my, like YSFP question. No. So I sort of framed it as a journey of what, like I've done all the way to where I was at now. And then I said, like my future prospects of, I have contacted said person a said institution to do this. And because um I'm quite connected in like the neurosurgical world, I was like, OK, I knew exactly who to contact whatever. So, and it came up in my Oxford interview as well. So they asked, what are you going to do in your project? And I said everything. So just, just be warned though, because obviously it's difficult to like know what project you're going to do if you don't know if you can actually get the SFP. So it's, it's all on a probability. So just it, it would show a bit of intuition if you knew exactly what you wanted to do and to demonstrate to the panel. But to be honest, it doesn't matter if you don't because in Yorkshire Humber, they're like, OK, like decide on the project next January and that's literally it. So there we go. So whilst other places are more and then a portfolio is marked. So these, the question from Monia and the question from Mino kind of have the same answer. I think. So. First of all, do you know if the portfolio is a marked stream by stream in Yorkshire Humber? No, because you apply for all the jobs in all the streams. So they're likely marked all together. Um And I know there's not a lot of information about the leadership SFP. And where can we get more information on this? Wherever there's a deanery that does the leadership SFP, you're gonna have to go to their website and have a look. Um I know Bristol have quite a comprehensive listing of what they expect from the leadership SFP. So it has three sections. It's like mandatory, um encouraged, expected, whatever. And that gives you an idea of what you'll be doing for two years. But again, that varies from place to place. So you'll have to check where you kind of want to go. Um And then have a look at those particular jobs and then um Aslan, I typed up my wife's face for questions in a personal style, but where this would be detrimental personally, it wasn't for me. That is just me though. Um I'm not sure how Jack answered his. You have to make yourself go into this feeling the most confident you can write it, how you want, we cannot tell you to do whatever and then you not get one and then you need to be confident and happy with your answers. And the only way you're gonna do that is by choosing how to do it yourself. I felt that the Yorkshire and Humber having been to Yorkshire Humber for medical school, making those personal things did do me in good stead. But I imagine if I applied to Oxford, it probably wouldn't have gone down overly very well. This is something you have to weigh up and take the risk. I remember having a conversation with people who have got an SFP and someone saying to me, don't put that sentence in. It was about my aspirations for my future career and they were like that. That isn't necessarily. And I rang my mum and I was like, I'm going to do it. It just feels right. It's not me if I don't do this and I did, I got it. Who knows? I'm never going to see the Mark scheme if it was marks well or not, but I was true to myself and I was happy with that. And if I didn't get a job and at least I know I'd say true to myself. That's all I can advise. Really. Sorry. I would completely agree with that. I mean, you'll, you'll send your white space questions off to those people who will have different opinions, take that out, take this whatever. I, I included a very similar sentence to ruby. Right at the end, I just went for it and it, it's fine. Honestly, there is no, it's not like applying for medical school where you had where, you know, they tell you exactly what to write, to reflect. I think the thing which is really important is you should experience, you've done reflect on what you've learned, reflect on how you're gonna be a good academic or med ed or whatever. It's about that reflection. It's not about listing. It's on a CV. It's all about listing. You've been like you walk to Kilimanjaro won a Nobel Prize. We're not on about that. We're on about reflect on something like a project, reflect, just reflect and then say, say your future aspirations, even if you think it's wild. Like, oh, I wanna be the next dean of a medical school. I'm not, I'm not saying it's wild. But what I'm saying is it shows aspirations. It does. It's, it's ok to be a little naive or a little, just a little, you know, self confident. It's fine. You're selling yourself at the end of the day. So I don't think it's a detriment. If the whole thing was personal and didn't make much sense, then I'd have a problem. But if it's the last thing, don't worry about it. Yeah, that's it. As, as make your passions known, be true to yourself. If they don't want you and you being yourself, then maybe it wasn't right for you. Um This one about um Yorkshire but not accepting things before uni I did a lot of things that were before uni in my portfolio. I, I'm not sure if they changed it. Anyone that's interested in the answer, pop your emails in, we'll send round emails and we'll get back to you on that one because for me personally, loads of myself was before uni I think it would be a bit ridiculous to expect you to do grade a ABRSM or diploma as like a music in. I think that I can't be right. So I'd clarify any more questions. I don't think there is. If you do have any questions, I'm just going to put my email in the chat um and you can take it if you think of anything. Um Please use it. Um and I my linkedin and on up. So just do it from there. Yeah, and please learn the feedback forms. Sorry about the late start. Clearly, we can get a fps, but we can't turn on a live stream. Sorry about that. Um If you do have any queries or questions, get back to ask any of the team and tune in for the next sessions. Thank you very much. Bye bye. Thank you so much for uh dropping your email. We'll get back to you. See you. Bye. I'll just send it here. Thank you so much for coming next week. We're doing a session of White Space questions. Thank you so much, Jack. That's amazing. No worries. Where are you? I'm at Glasgow. There's a conference. Yeah, no worries. My boss is like a eight something so I have to run to see you guys. Bye.