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Hello everybody. Welcome to our session today. Um My name is Youssef. Um I'm one of the doctors presenting today and I'm working in the East Midlands Deanery in Nottingham and I'm on the research, er, track Mox. Do I introduce yourself? Yeah. Hi guys. My name is Mox. I'm another one of the East Midlands Deanery doctor. Um I'm also in research for my SFP and I think you forgot to mention, but also both from UCL. Yes, a very important part. Yes and Ellen, do you want to say hello as well? Hi, everyone. Um I'm Ellen. Um I'm from Cardiff Uni, but I'm also working in East Midland as well, but I am team ma Fantastic. So, um thank you for joining us for the apply to SFP second session. Er, we're today gonna be looking at the application recap and next steps, um, feel free to introduce yourself on the chat. So we know where everyone is watching us from and we can give some specific advice if you need to. Um, today we're gonna be going through an introduction. Um You know, we're going to be going through an application recap. What, what we went through already before. And then we're going to be focusing mainly on the ranking criteria. So how to rank these jobs, what kind of priorities and things to consider. Um And then we'll obviously have a lot of Q and A. So if you ask, if you have any questions, please put them in the chat and we'll get through to them. Um Great come get to next slide and yeah, don't forget this is a series. So we do have lots of upcoming sessions and the sessions we have coming up are really important, especially about the interviews, how to deal with academic stations, how to deal with clinical stations and how to get the most points um in these interviews. Cool. Uh Yeah, so this is us, we've already gone through that and then let's do some application recaps. I'll hand it over to Ellen to go through that. OK. So I'll keep it very brief. Um I'm not sure where all of your er up to in your application and some may have already submitted, some may still do last minute or only just suddenly decided to apply. So I thought it would just be useful just to quickly go there the process so far and just key tips for just the final submission. So here we are, we started our very first webinar when we did an OV of SFP focusing, looking at the research and programs understanding the timeline for the year and we emphasize the importance of reading the SFP documents. And it's really important to look at the summary by specializing application because it also has the interview dates which you can note down from now. So, you know how long you need to prepare for interviews at a later date as well. Then we're at a point where you should have hopefully continued your white space questions or should be mopping them up at the moment, um, and uh put together your portfolio and now we are in the prime time where you're applying for your er program foundation program and a special foundation program. Um But actually when the application deadline closes, which is a week today, you then only have just over nine days afterwards to rank all your jobs afterwards. So it happens very quickly, which is the key difference between the specialized foundation program and Normal Foundation program because with the normal foundation program, you have literally up until I think it's jad keep on changing your choices around the location. Whereas SFP is very rigid. Once you've put your rank of your jobs, once the advice is passed, that's it. Um So in that period, you can rank the jobs and move it about, but once deadlines passed, that's it. And you just prepare for the interviews. So it's a lot more rigid and then during October will be interviews and then January is the offer time. Um So you are here, this is, I went back to log into my oil actually, just to look at this so satisfying, seeing the scale and you're here and hopefully you'll be at the end and you should have hopefully seen on the part two of your applications that you've had to put in your presentations, publications and prizes up to 10 of each. Um I'm not sure if it's still the case, but I remember when I applied last year I had to really abbreviate the titles really word like because then we do the full title of all the presentations, but it's just important just to get the key words down and making sure that you include your PUBMED I DS and your publications and try to highlight as many prices as you can. And importantly, the White Space Questions which I'll go into on the next slide. Um And just a note just regards to kind of presentations and publications, um Just make sure you have those to hand and just go over what you've done before because it always quite useful to talk about in interviews as well. Um And then just with the White Space Questions. So I went over this, we went over this in a lot of detail after our last webinar. So if you haven't written them yet, we'll just want to recap, please do go back to our previous webinar. Um But these are the questions for this year. Some deaneries do actually require submission of the White Space questions on a separate form as well, which allows you to adapt to be very specific to that dean if you apply to more than one, which can be useful. So that would be something to be mindful as well. They're very strict with the word count. Um And it's making sure that you're succinct to the point in always linking it back to sap. So over the past month ourselves, as a team, we've been reviewing lots of applications and just, just to highlight just some common pitfalls that, you know, maybe from this final few days are crafting it together just to know how to um really get them nice and refined. Um Try to avoid being too narrative, too much of a storyline. It needs to be succinct and directly answer the question and start with a headline which directly addresses the question and be specific. Um There are a lot of generic points that everyone has to mention pretty much, you know, say if it's med E but it offers a PD cert or, you know, dedicated productive time. All those keywords need to be in there, but also don't forget to put in some personal reasons um why you're interested in the program as well, really just makes your application different to others as well. Um You do have to show off, you can't be too modest um um And make sure that you can utilize feedback as well and particularly for those of you who are applying for med ed. It's quite useful if we talk about teaching programs, just to say how it impacted on participants or how you learn from feedback to doctor teaching style. That's quite a good um way to show your progression as a teacher and the way that you, you, you've learned from feedback and then just some other general tips really. Um It's OK to repeat some content across your question. Obviously, you don't do it across all of them, but sometimes it is useful to highlight some key things in your questions. Um and always link it back to SFP, I've read a lot of applications and in the end it doesn't really link it back. It just, it just finishes and just you want to make sure that it's memorable and what you're writing that was a very, very quick fire, er, recap and a just a bit over white space question, please do go over our previous webinar before. Um And also we've got time for, for question and answer at the end if there's any final, just queries really. But we're just gonna get on to the main thing today, which is all about er, ranking jobs. So I'll pass it over to you guys. Um OK, thank you very much, Ellen. Again, if you guys have any questions from what we and I just mentioned, pop them in the chart right now so we can get through them er, later on as well. Um So, so in terms of the ra criteria that we've um put across the things that we'll be going through if we can go to our next slide, please. Yeah, so we're gonna be talking about location, hospital trusts, you know, what to think about when it comes to these things. We also gonna be talking about specialities and sometimes the order of rotation actually doesn't matter. Um We'll be going through some of the SFP themes, uh the research themes and also how to get through to research supervisors, you know, and how to be proactive in that regard. So if we can get to the next slide, so in terms of the location, obviously, we do have the differentiate between a big or small city environment and that, you know, is personal preference. So if you, for example, enjoy a big city environment, you might want to focus your application on areas like, you know, London, Manchester Birmingham, that kind of thing. And obviously that has its advantages, you know, big cities tend to have bigger hospitals, major trauma centers and sometimes even more research opportunities. Whereas obviously small city environments, you do get more clinically hands on, especially if you're on ad GH more opportunities for learning and practicing your clinical skills. And then obviously I say that again, just shout to that about, you know, you're all trying to get for the SFE program, but also consider that you're going to be on an F one salary. So you also have to think about cost of living and rent. You know, you, you can get opportunities anywhere. But it's also important to think about how you're living where you're living. Exactly. Absolutely. Yeah. And one of the things that I consider as well, living is living at home because obviously living out in London for 60 years is quite expensive. I wanted to go back at live at home gives you an advantage of saving money, you know, and obviously, if that money could put through to what other things like examinations or courses and other things to beef up your portfolio. Um again, pro with family friends or your partner is also very important, you know, don't forget that the program is quite strenuous. Being a doctor is, you know, quite hard work and there's a lot of long hours. So it's always nice to have somewhere and people to do stress with and, you know, relax with as well. I hope if we can go to the next slide, please, how much as we go through some hospital trusts. So again, as yousuf mentioned, you have to think about whether you want to be at a teaching hospital or AD ghdgh, you're more hands on, you're gonna be less well supported, not all dghs, but usually you're less well supported. So that means you might be able to get more procedures done. But that also means there's go gonna be a lot more responsibility on your hands, which can be very stressful when you're starting off. So usually a bit of support is nice. And, um, when you're considering these hospital trusts, when you con the hospitals, I think a really good website to go to is the mes training Navigator. So if you make an account on our website and you go on it, so it pulls um, information from the GMC survey, which is a survey they do from all the foundation trainees to get their input on what the hospitals hospital is like, what kind of working environment it is, what kind of teaching it provides, et cetera. So it's a really good way to see what hospitals are there in your hospital, trust that you're applying to. And um you know, have a look at what hospitals would be best to rank where and they also have a foundation doctor guide where you can, they, they give you a short summary of what the dean is like, what's available there. And they also have nice summary graphs of the ratings of the hospitals which you can see right at the bottom in the middle of the slide. So there's a lot of information on what these hospitals are like. So you know what to expect going in. And you know, if, if, if, if so it it really comes down to what sort of rotations you want, but also what hospital you're looking at and the the other ways to go around, it is speak to some of the other people, your, your friends in the air bar, speak to some of the doctors working in those hospitals, what they feel because that's all, you know, their own experience. So that's best to gauge how you're gonna be doing when you start there. And of course, you know, message people on linkedin, usually people are very happy to help you because they've gone through the same process, the same hurdles. So they'll be very happy to help you out and tell you about what their experience has been like. I myself emailed a couple of people um to ask about the hospital, I was going to be working out and what the rotations were like. So there's no nothing bad about doing that, reach out to people and they'll be happy to help you. Yeah. And of course, if you want to reach out to us, if you, if you're thinking about re as well, we'd be happy to help you as well. Um So if we get to thinking about specialities, um So there are a few things to think about. Obviously, everybody wants to get their favorite specialities and do their favorite rotations. And it is also something to consider when thinking about future training. So if for example, you are surgically minded and you are trying to thinking about core surgical training, it is worth noting that, you know, having operative experience, you know, where that the involvement in, you know, up to 40 cases or more does give you a significant amount of points. Now, this is can make or break an application like core surgical training. As you can see in the, if you're involved in 40 or more cases, it does give you eight points, which is a significant amount of points when you're applying for core surgical training. Um and obviously being on a surgical rotation or maybe being a DG H surgical rotation can facilitate that even more because it will allow, it will give you more opportunities to get involved in surgeries. And that doesn't mean you have to be lead surgeon. It just means for example, scrubbing in observation, maybe you finish closing off the surgery. Um everything does count, but it is important to make sure you get that logged on the log book which you could find online. Um One other thing is also to note is that there is surgical experience that does give you points. So for example, doing a surgical placement during your foundation training does give you three points as well. So again, these are something to consider if you do, if you do wanna, for example, maximize the amount of points when you're going er further down your career. Um Now, internal medicine training is also something about if you have them, for example, rotations in a specific speciality um that will allow you to when you apply for internal medicine training to speak about that speciality and say your, for your motivations for going into IMT and what you kind of want her to get out of it. So all these experiences do add up and they do have a significant impact on future applications. Um I think I just wanna hammer in the point as well that you know your applications for whether it's AC F or it's, you know, SCT one that they're applying to the applications will go out in November when you start F two. So that means having done the rotations, you know, people always say that, you know, it doesn't matter if you do when you do the rotations or if you do the rotations. But say if you are surgically minded and you want to go into surgery, having done a surgical rotation, either during your F one or the start of F two will help you because some of the points do come from having done a surgical audit, as you have said and also having done, you know, 40 or if you get there 40 cases uh or, and of course, having done a surgical placement, we'll all give you points. So it is helpful and it is helpful knowing a little bit bit about the, you know, specialty you're applying to. But still at the end of the day, it doesn't really matter. You can do taste a weeks as well to get, you know, get, get, you know, some experience with that specialty. But, you know, it would be nice to have, um, those rotations earlier on. But of course, you know, there's a lot of things to consider and that's just one of those things to think about. Absolutely. Yeah. And it is important to explore new speciality. So you don't wanna find yourself to a box. Maybe you've always thought you liked orthopedics and then you do a neurosurgical rotation. It turns out you love neurosurgery. So you never know. Um And obviously there is a split between medical surgical community, you know, it's good to get a good range of all because that will also allow you to have more varied working hours in a roter. So for example, you're not always just back and forth on nights and long days, you know, it's nice to have a bit of 9 to 5, get you in a nice routine as well. Now, it is also important to consider pay, you know, in the end, we are working for money and for some more relaxed rotators, we will pay you less, for example. So if you are a 9 to 5 rotator in a community, you know, your paycheck isn't going to be as big as for example, on a surgical rotator in a major trauma center. Um Yeah, just like mo she mentioned all the age is quite important. So, um I'll touch up on the SFP rotation. So for example, if you do have your SFP rotation, which is for example, a research rotation early on in your F two, it might give you more opportunity to continue that research after the four months to make, to be able to get it completed. Also, if you do have it, for example, it's the first rotation again that gives you more time when preparing your applications for SFP co uh sorry for further speciality training and something to talk about. OK. If you are doing your SFP rotation, for example, in the last block of F two, you're not going to be able to have anything to speak about when you apply for a speciality training because you haven't done your SFP block, you haven't done your SFP block by the time you apply. So that is something to consider and something that I looked at when you know, ranking between jobs with different orders of rotation. Um And what should you want to say anything about the MS R A as well? The exam revision parts. Yeah, I think I, I think it's, it pretty much depends on what people's preferences are. Um And also what Deaner are you applying to? Because I also applied to Newcastle where they do have an F one SFP rotation and an F two SFP rotation. That's good in the sense that you know, you start off early with your research. But at the same time, if you're starting on an academic block coming into F one and then the next block you're going into say, you know, gen surge or geriatrics or something. That's a big blow because, you know, you, you need time at least in the first couple of months to get used to what F one training is like. And that can be a bit daunting. So I, if, if you have surgery going, you know, starting off on surgery and you wanna do surgery, you're less likely to get involved with all the surgical audits, cos at, at that time you'll just be trying to stay afloat. I don't know what Ellen and you to think about it, but, you know, when you start, you're just trying to stay afloat. So it takes some time to get confident and get into things. So that's again, something to consider. And, um, yeah, exam revision, your, your MS ras your, you know, all these exams that you want to do in F one or F two, you have to consider what, what rotation you'll be doing at that time. If you're a night like you is right now. Er, he's heading to night shift after this. Er, it'll be a little bit harder to, you know, do get your revision in because you'll be tired and, um, if you're on peds, if you, if you're a super, your job then it's a little bit easier. So there's a lot of things to consider. But I think good time management gets, gets, gets you through things. All right. Cool. And obviously we, the research theme of the SFP or the leadership theme or the education. So there is a few possible tracks to go down, consider the SFP. And obviously even in our co of speakers, we've got, you know, two SFP themes with, for the education theme. Is that right? Education. Yeah. Cool. I mean, so that is something to consider and there isn't a better SFP theme. It just depends on what you're thinking about in terms of your career, what kind of speciality you want to go into and what kind of if you look at your CV, for example, what kind of area of your CV you want to work on more or develop more that what's important to know is that the SFP gives you a, a great opportunity that is, you know, quite um structured er and official to develop these fields and have that on your CV as a very strong foundation for er for you to apply for speciality and further down the line. And like I said, allows you to develop a holistic portfolio. Now, when you think about these SFP themes, some of them do come with extra benefits. So for example, specific education sfps do provide you with a funded PT cert and some, for example, provide you with a TLS courses and this is something to think about. These courses aren't cheap and being able to have dedicated time to do. For example, a PG Cert and get funding for that is very important, especially to develop your skills in education. Obviously, if you're passionate about that. But also, again, for special applications going down the line, it doesn't mean that if you don't get, for example, SFP with a funded PG cert, you can't do it. But again, it just makes your life that much easier because it is stretching into your timetable. Um Again, there are also SFPS who would have a foundation priority program accommodation, which means more benefits, for example, like additional pay or additional um maybe annual leave or again, more funding or preference of rotations. Um One thing to note is that SFPS can especially research, ones can come in two variations where you get a dedicated block. So for example, that's the most common way. So you get four months of just dedicated no clinical work, pure SFP, whereas some allocate your weekly allocation for the SFP. So for example, it, it could be a daily sorry, a weekly, one day, a week um day where you have off for your research. And some people might find that better, especially if you're thinking about working on a long term project that requires you to do a little bit every week or a little bit over time. Um Others may further dedicated block because it allows you to really delve into the project. Um and you know, dedicate all your time throughout, throughout that period to working on the project So it is a preference and definitely depends on what kind of project you find and what kind of project you have in mind. Just to touch on that from a med ed point of view. There are some me programs who offer that weekly sort of approach as well. Um, I was more inclined to go for just a block because it's a lot easier for regular teaching building with all of your students. Um You know, if you want to set up a very consistent teaching program or um I get to become like a simulation fellow with my program, which I'm really looking forward to. Whereas actually it's a lot harder to balance your academic and clinical when it is like that for education, it's easy to get pulled up on the ward and miss out on your academic time. Um So yeah, just something to be very mindful of. Fantastic. Yeah, much. Do you want to add anything on to that as well or shall we go on to the next one? Let's talk about a bit about research. Yeah, just, just a little bit about bit about this. So, um I think for Trent and Leicester, yeah, you, we actually had three, well, more than three research fields. So um as part of our S PS, they've also allocated to either, you know, uh psych research, uh uh general practitioner, research and medical research and surgical research. So when you're ranking based on your deary you might also have to think about what the research you'll be doing will be in. Uh, and also you need to look at what the university will be attached to what sort of research they do. For example, I applied to New, I didn't end up going that because it was too far. But, um, they, um, they have a massive transplant center there. So people interested in liver, you know, that sort of fields would have, you know, the research there would have been good. Um And, er, Nottingham also do some fantastic liver research. So have a look at what the university in Deaner, you're going to, they, what they specialize in, er, and if it matches with your own, er, research interests, um also look at the departments, they have, look at the kind of doctors and supervisors they have um, and, you know, get in contact with them early, er, build a rapport and um, yeah, contact them as soon as possible to get stuff, sort stuff sorted out. Yeah. So I think, definitely emphasize that point, especially for example, if you see a particular professor or, you know, a labor laboratory that you like the work of and you want to get in touch with them early to explore the opportunities, you know, they might even be able to advise you on. For example, you know, this is maybe a better rotation because that's when we do more research work, for example, or this is maybe when the lab is a bit more quiet, it's definitely worth getting in touch quite early and it doesn't hurt also from a med, a perspective, you can still do research in med. Um, and I think particularly if you want to be doing, er, qualitative sort of research when you're doing interviews and focus group eic takes time. So you likely will be having to do your ethics at the end of F one. So that by the time you start a rotation that's all set up and you can get with it. So it's useful to be mindful of um kind of the idea, general topics that you want to do and, and try and find the contacts within the departments to help you with that. So already I help as like as si patient for med student exam, got contact of like the assessments teams to just try and build your network work and f one to prepare you well for your academic block as well. Ethic and funding, which is very important has to be sorted out early because without it, you can't do your research. Exactly. Yeah, I mean, you don't, you don't want to start your, your SFP block, you know, sorting out a ethical approval or funding, you know, you, you want to start your first day of the block doing the actual research project or, you know, get hit in the ground running. Essentially, you don't want to be wasting time on the administrative side before the block four months does seem like a long time, but it's basically nothing when you're trying to publish a project. Um OK, so let's get to the real deal of ranking like how to rank the jobs and the ranking tools. A few things that we do use is for example, you can use Not Excel. So in the um I use notion a little bit, um I find that quite helpful. Um There's also the Medi Body Foundation ranker, I think uh that is quite useful as well. That's online. It's a really unique website and of course, you could do it the old way and just use pen and paper, nothing wrong with that. Uh So let's get through a bit of Excel and how to, you know, make the most of using Excel. Um If you, for example, go on Oriel and you look at a specific DN um there is an option to download all the references and rotations into an Excel spreadsheet, not sure if you're aware of that, but again, very, very handy to do. It's much easier than doing on or an oral is basically a complete pain. Uh Once you get that downloaded, you'll get a spreadsheet that looks a bit like this. Yeah. Er, so I don't know if you guys can see that, but essentially you can see it looks like a mess, you know, there's a lot of fluff, er, and very useless columns in here. So what you first thing you want to do is clear up these columns, any columns that are useless, you just want to delete them straight away. So for example, if you go on to the next slide we've got, for example, like, oh the pattern, OK? We all know we're going to be doing three times four months, you know, Du Raio, we all know we're going to be doing a 24 month uh F one F two. So all these things, you know, you can delete and that will shorten your um Excel spreadsheet. So it looks a bit more neat and you kind of want to get through something like this. LA. There we go. Yeah. So that looks a bit more manageable. And what I want to emphasize is the use of color. OK? Um Using color allows you to really spot patterns and look for specific rotations or specific patterns of rotations, you know, I mean, these are, these are lists that can go on for like er 50 a 50 jobs, 100 jobs, you know. So it's very, it's very good to be able to spot patterns. And what we will go through just now is also an automated way to make that happen for you and allow you to do that in a quite a systematic way with the some formulas over to the mats, words, not maths quiz, but what you have showed you is what sort of the end result when it, it might not make sense to you, but it makes sense to him. So it's all about building a ranking system that works for you that you understand and that you can use to rank your jobs depending on what your preferences are. And how do we get started from that big cluttered spreadsheet. Well, first of all, you remove the clutter, as yousuf said, you take out all, you know, there's going to be random columns in there saying F one F one F one for every, so every row is A, is six job rotations and they're all gonna have columns saying F one F one F one, the random numbers that you don't need. So you delete them, you're not gonna worry about them. And the next thing you do, you look at what jobs have ha have what six, what rotations have the jobs you want. So you can start doing that by something called conditional formatting. So if you go on Excel, you go to home and there's going to be a box saying conditional formatting, click on that, click on highlight cell rules and then click on text that contains. And what you can do is you can in the, in, in this pop up box that you'll get. You put in the job you want. So you like surgery. So you put, put in surgery in there and then you select the color you want that box to fill up with. So if you go to the next slide, een, please, so you'll get something like that. So all the surgery blocks have been highlighted and this includes general surgery, surgery, vascular surgery, uh, trauma orthopedic surgery. And if you noticed I've also highlighted pediatrics in red by the same process and it's red because that's what you don't want. You, you might not want something else, but I didn't want pediatrics. And that can be anything that can be psych or you know, for you, surgery can be red because you don't want that. But as you can see immediately, you kind of have an idea visually where the jobs you want are. So if you look at the top one, there's two surgical rotations, one piece rotations, some have more greens than others and the greens are the ones you want. But you know, you can, that's how you get started. But if you wanna become more qualitative in how you rank this, you can do some further coding uh next slide, please. So you can do something called a counter uh function. So what you do is you, if you see the left uh left um code thing there equals count if and the range is the range of boxes. So that's gonna be all of the placements in each row. So if you select all the placements in the first row and then surgery in asterix, the asterix means everything with any variation of surgery. So that includes general surgery, trauma, or peak surgery, anything that has surgery in it will pop up. And then if you enter that, you get a score. So if you look at box C two on the slide, it says on the surgery, it says two, which means in that row, there's two boxes with surgery in it, which means there's two surgical rotations in that job and you can do that for a number of different uh jobs. So the next block, I've done general surgery because I'm interested in general surgery. So I've given another point to that. Uh I've done peds as well. So the first row has one PS rotation. Uh Yeah. So that means it has one P rotation. And in the total, what you can do, you can enter a formula, you can say equals and then you can add the numbers. So you can do uh C two plus D one and then you can subtract the Peds rotation. So you can do minus E one. And then if you hate P like as well, you can do minus F one. So that will give you a total score for that rotation. So for the first one, there's two points given to that rotation because there's uh two surgical blocks, there's one gen search block. So that's three points, but there's one P block. So I've subtracted one. So now you have two. So that job scored two and then you can rank so you can do that for every single box, you just have to click the little er, if, if you just slide down, then it gives everything a score and you, if you do that for everything and then if you look at the right most column um home, so filter sort large, smallest, it will rank the jobs, rank the points from the highest to the lowest. So as you can see at the top, the jobs near the top, the totals are twos and then ones and then zeros and at the bottom there's minus twos. So these are going to be the jobs with peds and psych. So that's a minus number. You don't want that uh and no surgical blocks. So that's not something I want. So that's been ranked quite low down and immediately you can see what jobs you'd be interested in because they're ranked higher on that list. But of course, other things to consider are what hospitals they're at. So you can create another ranking system for the hospitals and then personalize it in your own way and give, you know, everything points if you want, you can multiply the points for peds by two. So they can subtract two points if it's peds. So literally do it in your own way. But this is sort of the general process of working through and creating a point scoring system. This is something I picked up from the 123 series, which happened last year, which one of my mates Alex did? Um That's a good one to watch as well if you need more details about this, but this is a really good way to get started. Uh Next slide and the other option is the Medi Buddy system. So this is something new that I didn't come across before. But what you can do, make an account on Medi Buddy and it automatically, you know, when the jobs are released it downloads it onto its systems, it has all the jobs in it and all you have to do is add the in the top box. Click what deer you want to go to? And then the next one in specialties, you can literally store between the different specialties. Put the ones you like into the right most like box, put the ones you don't like into the dislike box, er, put the ones you don't mind either way in the mailbox and you can do the same for the locations, which is the second one, on the left and that you can again rank the hospitals in what you like, what you don't like, what you're indifferent to and then what it'll do is it'll automatically rank all the jobs based on what your preferences are. It's not as visually stimulating as an Excel file, but it's still good. It's something to get started with, but Excel is always the best option. Um, it can be a good formula from this is notion which is what you have used. So one other thing that you can use, you can use and you can set up your own notion page. So an example you can see is on the left. So the good thing about notion is that it doesn't, it's not just going to be for ranking your jobs. It's also like a hub for everything which for example, could be important, important links, important deadlines, you can always collect that all on and you can also combine, for example, important documents. So for example, you can write your white space questions on there, trade it on specific jobs and you know, match them across. Um You can also create your SFP evidence folder on there just to have everything created all in one place and obviously different deaneries have different requirements. So you can make sub pages and sub databases for Yorkshire, for example, in Scotland and Trent and Cambridge. And again, you can do formulas on notion as well. So that is something that you can consider. And um as you can see, I've done some for my er trend, so I've color coded it and also ranked them by, you know, my favorite rotations and which ones I'd prefer and which ones have a better order of rotations as well or something that you can look at. Um and then you can put a tasks list on there and link them to specific areas of notion. Um, so that's all, you know, quite nice because it allows you to have it all in one place. You know, one thing that I found is when you apply for SFP, while you've got medical school going on, while you've got exam revision, it's all a bit modeled. So it's nice to collate all in one place. Um, but of course we're not going to do a nurse tutorial today. Um, there's a lot of tutorials on youtube. Er, and if you do need help, you can reach out to us as well. I've only just started recently motion and I wish I'd like used it before. Um, I applied for SFP, I only started it from this shit, but it is amazing and it's my life now I amit my way of ranking was a lot more simple. I use Google sheets, I'm a Google person. Um, and I literally just put all the ones in the hospital that I didn't want near the bottom. And then I was like, ok, I just looked cross surgery surgery, put them across, it was a lot of manual banking. And actually, if I went back, I would have done something a lot more automatic than this. And just to address the question before they were saying if, um, when you sort of do this, this will actually happen as soon as the application deadline closes, then you'll get access to this for about nine days, but actually, you should be able to look at jobs already on oil. There should be a way to view them already. So actually, if you've already submitted the application, he can get started on this from now as well. Oh, I think we're done. So today we've covered an application recap. So the application so far, we've talked about things to consider when ranking your jobs, you know. Um and we've also talked about how to rank the jobs when that doesn't go live and some ranking tools that you can use. Um Obviously, you may have your own methods and you may have other things to consider as well. And um but this gives you a solid foundation to get started so that you're not, you know, um scratching your head that why is there 100 and 50 columns that I have to go through and why is the 300 jobs that I have to sort through? Um And hopefully it makes it a bit more approachable. Um Now I have to take any questions, let me have a look, put your questions on the chart and we'll have to go through them. It doesn't have to be related to what we went through today. Any questions that you do have regarding the SFP er one thing to note is please fill out the feedback form, we really appreciate that. Um As you'll come to know, it's very important for us to receive feedback on the teaching that we do provide um that helps us with that for our portfolios and also um going forward in our applications. It's a very short feedback form. Um OK. So let's look at the first questions from, so yeah. Um So if I apply to, to two SFP Deaneries and I get an offer from place a first but still waiting to hear back from place B will we ja offer from place a remove from the whole SFP process? I don't believe so. Um So what happens usually is obviously you, you'll go through the interviews, everything and then you will be, there will be a period where you'll receive offers. Maybe one will come before the other one. And what you can do is you can wait to see what will happen. So for example, I got my ren offer first and then I got my les offer second and then I saw that I didn't really like the Leeds one. I've prefer the Nottingham one. So I took the Nottingham one instead and that automatically rejects the other one for you. You stay with that though, usually offers are only valid for about 48 hours. So you actually don't have that much time to think about it because if I go, I go back to the slide where you have each week is like a new round of office. So unfortunately, you don't have the liberty of waiting for the next round of office. Next week, you still only have two days to think about it. So, if you've applied to two really, and you're really focusing on one and you get the backup one first, just think about how much you really want it because my perspective is any SFP job, I just take it. But, but also hopefully you wouldn't have, like, applied to a job that you didn't want either. So I don't know what everyone else's perspectives on that as well, but some people just do completely change their mind at the end and like that's completely ok. Um But yeah, yeah, and one thing to consider is obviously that the second round of office isn't guaranteed. Ok, so maybe you inject this job and you in the hope you get a better one in the second round of office. But again, that's not guarantee. So you do it is, it is a bit of an annoying process because obviously there is a bit of uncertainty there, but it is something to consider as well. Um ok. Next question from Alice, would you recommend ranking all jobs in the Deano as you apply to? I believe, the more you rank, the more like. Yeah, so um I personally would rank all the jobs unless it's like a disgusting job with pediatric psychiatry. Um So that's something you, you have to consider. Again, I wouldn't bother trying to rank the bottom 50 you know, or the bottom 10 because that's just a waste of time if they're just all the same to you, you know, it's very important to rank the top five choices or the ones that are your favorite at the top. And just so that, you know, you get your preferred preference. But if, for example, the bottom 10 or all the same, you know, bad jobs or like your unprofor jobs, then you can just throw them in there and, you know, quite quickly and just have them on there just in case. And if you do get an offer for them, you can always reject it. It's not going to be like you have to go to do it. So I think, I think they're right in saying that the more jobs you rank, the more likely you are to get a place because of course, so rank rank all your jobs. And usually it depends on what dean you're applying to as well because some deaneries like trend to less that they had 30 research jobs, which is not that many. So it would have been fine to rank all of them, but some would have more, some would have less. So then it's a little bit harder. But I think the other thing you need to remember is some deaneries also say things like uh the job you ranked at the top is the one we'll consider. So what that means is if your top raked job, the SFP theme is research and if you rank medical education jobs or leadership jobs, you would not be considered for them. You'd only be considered for research. So just be very careful when you're doing that. If you don't want leadership or something, don't, don't make your first job leadership because it depends on the dean read. But I think for trend, they said this. So if you would have ranked leadership first accidentally and the rest were research jobs, you, they would have only looked at you for leadership. So just be very careful when you're doing that rank all your jobs. Um And you know, as I said, different diaries do a different way. But some diaries say if you're applying to research, earn you rank research jobs. If you're applying to uh medical education, Earnie rank medic medical education jobs. So, you know, rather than trying to rank everything, make sure you just take out all the, you know, whatever theme you're not applying to say for, for me and you. So we didn't apply for the medical education theme. So you would just delete the medical education jobs and solely rank the research jobs. And just by doing that, if I go back to that column, there's like a left and the right column. If I find it and the ones you leave in the gray column just won't get considered at all. So if you leave them there, if I can find it, oh, there we go. Um The ones that you leave in the not wanted comment column, you're not going to be considered for at all. It's the ones that you preference are the ones that are considered. So for East Midlands, for me, air there's only six jobs. So like, of course, we're going to write all six jobs. I'd be stupid if I didn't. Um But for other places I think it was Yorkshire, there's quite a few me jobs as well. Um, some, they still get you to rank all tracks even if you're not interested in them anyway. Um, but do not underestimate how long it does take to rank your jobs actually. Er, because you don't realize how fuss you are until you start ranking jobs. And I, and also no hate towards pediatrics. I, it's my third rotation. I'm very excited. I've got pediatrics next. So the irony didn't work too well. Yeah, I think, I think that's a lesson as well. You're not gonna get the exact job you want. I got my, I got my first or second choice job but I had to, I had to deal with pediatrics to avoid, like, so it was a lesser of two evils. It could be, it could be even worse than that. I mean, you could get your first preference job with the rotation that you want. And then the dean, we could email you on the first day and say, oh, actually we've taken that rotation doesn't exist anymore. We've put you on a different rotation that happened, that happened to you. You got to go. So do you want to just add that notion? Question? Oh yeah. So um on notion, you just write the jobs by foot. No. So with notion, you can do that by just filtering the database. But what you can actually do there is a feature on notion where you can add formulas. So you can add another column literally the exact same way as Excel. And you can put in a, a specific custom formula in there which allows you to again literally just do the same thing as the count if formula on Excel. Um So, you know, it's very useful to have one notion and obviously allows you to, you know, link this specific job, for example to specific SFP questions white space questions, link it to specific evidence folders um and deadlines and things like that. So I find it quite useful because I can add a specific task and that task would link back to a specific job specific white space question. Um Again, you can see like for example, on the on the left, you can see my tasks, you know, like sorting out an evidence letter or uh emailing a supervisor, you know. So I find it quite useful like that. And if you do want to do the ranking thing, just look up custom formulas and notion. Um And that will show you how to add it onto the database and allows you to rank it through there. Amazing. Any other final questions? It's a shorter session today. Um But from next week they are gonna be a lot, the full time probably because they're going to do a lot more heavy er, interview content. Um But please use this opportunity to ask any final questions for a week to go. Some people have only just decided they want to apply to SFP. I had quite a few messages in the past few days and that's completely ok. But please use this opportunity. I applied to, I thought about doing the SFP one week before the deadline. Yeah, and I and I submitted my white face questions the night before. So it's never too late, never too late. So I also asked, um am I right? That evidence isn't uploaded at all? Yes. And there are some programs who do want you to email them afterwards. I think Yorkshire after you applied, you had to submit it all. So it's actually still worth having it like in a folder like to hand. Um Hopefully you have that with your portfolio anyway. Um but not all of them ask you for feedback for the evidence. They just trust you. I don't know if any the second ones you guys apply to, did they ask you for it? I applied to Yorkshire and they, they wanted you to send your evidence straight after the application. Um because their system is no interview. Trent was different. You know, I don't think we even sent evidence to Trent really. So I applied to Trend and Newcastle and, er, I say Newcastle it was northern Deanery. Um, and neither wanted evidence. So it depends on the deanery, I guess. I think that wraps, wraps it all up. So I hope you've just enjoyed that quick insight today into just a recap of everything and the ranking jobs even I found it useful and I'm doing my job now, but I wish I listened to this when I was blind. And so I hope you find it useful and do, go back to listen to the catch up content. I'll upload it afterwards, particularly when you start actually ranking your jobs again. It might be useful just to remind yourself as well. Um If you want to just close it off and the link should already be in the chat. So we really do appreciate you provide feedback as well. And then from next Thursday, uh weekly, we've got our dedicated interview series program which will lead you up until your um er, your interviews. God willing. So all the best of that and also just please enjoy your family, your medical school as well. Um Don't let this take up all your life. Um It's not the end of the world if you don't do recipe and next few weeks we're doing some hardcore stuff. So amazing. I over to you guys all the best. Um Please have a good rest night and you said please do your night shift, you guys later. Thanks for the good bye.