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Hi. I've just come to double check that. This is recording. Go ahead and ask all your questions. Um, use this wonderful opportunity to ask from the older years how to tackle this. I see. Yeah. I mean, yeah, bomb needs ask questions. Because technically is, um what's the word? You know, it is the period of time when you can ask questions. So how did all your presentations go? Okay, I think that's good. Good to hear. So I just I missed the talk. Oh, so I don't know what we're doing now. Uh, basically, uh, the talks already happened. I presume they've recorded it. You can always go back to it at a later time. This bit more? Just if you've got any questions. But you don't if you've got no questions. Great. If you've got some questions, that's fine. Do you have any advice? Because at the moment we just got tons and tons of data. I'm sure you had different ones to recover. You guys got the I don't I don't really remember what the data management because, isn't it based on the lab week stuff? Okay, I assume it's the same because it's been the same flight last four or five years. Uh, inhibited canteen, Uh, in some cherry inhibitors What they call them. I can't think of the what? Um, but we're testing boudin aside and a p 38 k inhibitor. I'm just asking to see the effects on his health. That's it. I think they changed that pardoning. Hi. Sorry I'm late. Hi, J. We'll have this part for you guys in terms of the I C three. I'm just gonna guess it up quickly because I actually don't have it saved in my computer anymore. It must have, like, not the least it. But clearly, um, I'll just find it on an email, though. But basically, I think the hardest part of I see a three, I think the hardest part for me was probably just understanding it and actually making graphs. Once you understand this and you make the graphs, I don't think it's that bad. Like, for me, the hardest bit was the start of it. Because it all kind of comes together, if you know what I mean. It does sound a bit daunting. Um, because I don't know, I don't really know what the years below did with, like, i c A s, but we actually had to I c a s in year, one year to the obviously contributed just because that was what imperial do. But they were quite similar to the data management, um, kind of task that you guys have to do. So it was quite similar to that. I think the lay summary in the abstract are probably the easiest parts, but don't you know, under underestimate them because they're worth quite a few marks. Um, I actually like the data side wasn't so bad because we like, as a cohort, we did it all together, which you're not supposed to do, but we did. And, um, it was the trying to, like think of original points when it's I assume you guys have the same steroids and oxidative stress that we had, right? Is it the same practical? I think it sounds like it with side. And you could He does a night. I always get right. You're wrong. And v x 7 50 the p 38 k in hepatitis only. Yeah, I think it's the same. It's basically like Does this steroid reduce like information, right? Yeah. So the like it's just coming up with the original point about why it didn't. Because did yours work? Uh, well, I've had a bit of a complication. They, like we've never seen this before, but we had those of cells clumped, and we just had too much, so yeah, we need to talk about that as well. I think that's a good point to raise, though, because, like, for me and Jay, we did it together like, I don't know if you guys did it in pairs, but we did it in pairs. Like, uh, I had to read it was it was was it 1000 times the concentration of hydrogen peroxide Really wrong. Um, see, I I found like, the actual writing bit harder when it came to like the the discussion and explaining why it didn't go wrong with the why it went wrong because, like, I'm just not very creatives. But if you are, if yours did something different to all the other years, that's amazing. You have something to write about? Um, but yeah, it's, uh, it's genuinely it's not that difficult. I don't think like I just we we all had covid when we did it, and it was just a nightmare. But, like, get the data like, yeah, really? Just try and understand the data. And if you guys are comfortable with it, doing it together with such a big help because, like some people would understand some bits, some people would understand other bits. And, uh, it was it was a big help to just have everyone sit in one room and do it together. Yeah, I definitely agree. Like, I think it's a as long as you like work on, like the Excel documents together. And just like preparing the data that that's definitely like, as J. Said, it's definitely the best thing to do and find out if any of the other groups had, like, so was it your peer that had this weird clumping issue? Or was it everybody? It was. I'm not sure if anyone else had. I don't think so, because if you find out what the other peers like might have done may be wrong or, uh, like things that don't kind of told them off for doing then, like you have more things to write about as a as a cohort and also like you're using each other's results. So it is important to know what what they actually did. Did everybody follow the protocol to a tea? Or did it Did you have to make some like changes as you went along? Um and yeah, like it. Understanding that plate diagram is quite hard at the start. But then one day it just sort of clicked and yeah, did, um, Louis's do like a talk about wrath pad, uh, prison, but yeah, okay, that's like we may have mentioned it before, but that's definitely like the Holy Grail, because, at least for us, she basically used the different data set. But it basically it showed you exactly what you have to do for the actual data. So definitely watch the recording if you can before you stop. Kind of trying to do stuff on graph pad because you just basically have to follow what Louise said. You know how they like Well, there is no best way of portraying the data is just how you want to. But is there actually the best way? I I don't really remember, To be honest, I think it was more up to interpretation, but I think as long as your grafts. So But, you know, like the place and stuff as long as the graft actually show kind of everything from the plate. If you know what it means, you would need, uh, the control you need. Do you remember Duncan's manage a wrist? Oh, yeah. OK, so Duncan's mantras, he presents it on a graph. Right? So he shows you all the different concentrations, he shows you like a a control. And then there was another one. Basically, he presents it like that, right? Do your graph like that, it'll be slightly different because you'll have more concentrations, or you might have to add something or take something away. But that is the graph you're aiming for like that, Um, because that's how that's how they touristed there. So just do it. But I don't know if they've they've done like, a different course. They probably haven't. But, like, definitely, as J. Said that the Duncan lectures on data analysis are very, very, very helpful when it comes to what to include in the graphs. And, uh, he, uh, not not banking. What was it? Um, yeah, it's just important that the graph makes sense in the context of your work, so there's no there's no definite right way. There's no definite wrong way. Most people do it the same way, which is just the way that Duncan's graph is. But it's important that the graph you present in your work makes sense within the context of your writing, right? So don't. So you can't start talking about stuff that isn't in your graph or isn't in your table, but equally you don't want to have loads of stuff in your table and graph that you then don't talk about Yeah, I think that's a very good point. Actually, like, just keep things relevant. You know that the graph and tables need to have the relevant stuff, because that's what you're going to be talking about. But equally, you can't just talk about stuff that's not there. As J said. Also, um, remember that this bird me remember when you copy things into Excel, if you like input. If you copy Excel data into Prism in a certain way, I must have done something wrong. But if you do it in a certain way, if you change the Excel file, you then change the numbers on Prism which then changes your graph. I mean, if you and then sometimes if you export your graph straight from prism into words, it then changes the graph onward and like, it can be really, really useful. But when you delete like a whole column of your data, it can really fuck things up. So just be mindful of that. Like, once you've, uh I'd like have a separate Excel Excel file for building or your prism data. Because for some reason, whenever I I change something and then I sync XL like I just it just refreshed and prison refreshed, which I also had open and everything changed. And it was Thank you. Um, I have a question. Um, So Duncan has been going on a lot about I see 50 and so has Louise. And I'm just having trouble in where we actually use this. I see 50 in our data analysis. Or like in the experiment as a whole. This is the concentration of inhibitor needed to have the effect, right? Something like that. Um, yeah. Do they want you to work out? Yeah. So in the data analysis session, Luis taught us how to work it out in the graph prison thing. So I'm guessing they want us to do. Yeah, basically, everything in that Louise talk is effectively everything you need to do to your data. So, like having just looked at my one, actually, Yes. You need the I see 50. But why do you use it? Like, where does it come in? Do you use that to show your data? Like to compare your data at that concentration, Or how does it work? Uh, I'm going to quickly read my actually, I think into a comparison of the efficacy. I may be wrong. Tray. Yeah. You're comparing, like, how effective the inhibitor is that different concentrations of something else, right? Yeah. If you look at the old you that they'll have explained, Let me. Gosh, it's been a while. Um, the concentration of the inhibits and needed for, like, 50% of the singular. This yes, it's luminous is 100 for it. So it's like for the stimulus to be half as effective. What level of what concentration of the inhibitor do you need? So the more you know, effective the inhibitor, the lower concentration you need of that inhibitor to have the stimulus. So, like, it's just a way to compare inhibition, I think. I mean, obviously, if you're really not sure Duncan and Louise will probably explain it. I feel really, really, really not sure. But that's what I think it means, because this was a year ago, so I'm not super familiar. So would you use the like, I see 50 from BUDESONIDE and compare it to the I C 50 of the the I p k inhibitor like put that on the graph. Is that what? Because I understand what it is sort of. But I'm struggling to see how it will benefit us in our analysis. Um, what is your actual like question? Because I don't remember when I p k 50 inhibitor, yes, so are things. Are things different? I think it's a bit different. So we're comparing two different things. So we're comparing, uh, the anti inflammatory effect of the desonide against, um, an I P freak A inhibitor. So we're stimulating. We're stimulating these two B cells with I'll one Byetta and then adding the be desonide or the the other one, and see the anti inflammatory effects of each. Okay, so you're looking at the the inhibitory concentrates the concentration of the inhibitor to cause a 50% reduction in the effect. Right? 50. So you're Yeah, you'll be comparing the IC 50 of the desonide and the IC 50 of the I p k three inhibitor. Yeah, because they'll they'll tell you which ones you which ones are more effective when it inhibiting. So would you say that? So would you say that will be like, the bulk of our analysis? Should we base everything off that, or should we base everything off concentrations rather Well, it is a multi step thing, really? Because I think, but you also need to test cell viability as well, Which is probably what they were testing on the plates. Uh, did you do the test to make sure it was a submaximal stimulus as well? I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I feel like master already be going over your head because it's going over mine. And I've already done this, so I really have I can't remember whether it was assumed or not. I think it might have been assumed. Um, don't worry. Uh, so you need to prove cell viability, So that would be one bit of urine answers. The next would be You could just use the like, royal concentration data, but they will definitely want you to work out. I see fifties, and that's probably a better measure because it's collating all the concentration data, isn't it? And it gives you a better understanding of what's what the like. If you have two inhibitors and you're looking at one, how long, how much of you need to have the stimulus or whatever it is? Um, having that is a better measure than just saying, Oh, this concentration is lower than this concentration. If, for like this particular test, right? Yeah, um, I think it's like and then But then the bulk of my discussion ended up being limitations and reasons why we fucked up. So, uh, I think I think it want in the sense that the most important thing is the I C 50 in terms of that is what you're answering. But there's various things that J was saying you have to do before that, and there's various things you can also talk about, like it's not going to be the vast majority of your discussion. There's loads of things to talk about the discussion, especially, is probably the bad We didn't go, you know, basically, at least in our year, and in previous years, our data didn't show anything. So what did your do? You know what your data showed? I've been graphing some of them, and, uh, I don't know if I'm doing it wrong, but it all looks so different. Yes, it's all over the place. Yeah. Okay. That's normal. Um, is, uh, is the other inhibitor the non budesonide inhibitor supposed to work better than be designate? Uh, I don't know. I think that's the theory that they're looking to see if it works better. I don't know if it's a there'll probably be some published research on it. They're like, Don't know, Louisa. Unlikely to give you guys a novel experiment for an I c A and A B sc. Um So there will almost definitely some evidence behind one or the other, like it would have been done before. So that will be a lot of your that that was that ended up being a lot of mine was just looking at previous evidence. Like saying I was wrong. I'm saying I'm pretty sure I'm wrong. Because this paper shows this that it was much better than mine. Yeah, um uh it's unlikely that what they're giving you is like, groundbreaking stuff, but, uh, yeah, so I I'd spend a lot of time on limitations. I think I think additionally, one quite useful thing to do. And that's something we had to do was explaining the mechanism of action of budesonide. And then including that one can do a diagram if they wish. Adapted from a paper. Obviously, that's best to always make your own diagrams. They don't have to be made a complex, but, you know, as long as you're doing it. So maybe it's worth doing a diagram on the budesonide mechanism of action. And then also the other inhibitor you guys mentioned I do. I don't remember the name, but I think that's something useful to put in discussion as well. With, um, yeah, I had a question about, um presenting the data for the cell viability analysis like I'm not sure. Like I'm I understand the c x e l 81, but not the cell viability analysis one. Do you mind explaining that a bit more? Um, yes. So basically, still, cell viability should be based around the control. Um, so imagine the control. So this is this is the thing you haven't done anything to. These are just normal cells that should be alive, because if they if they aren't alive, then the whole experiments kind of role, if you know what I mean. Um, which is what happened with mine and J's. Somehow just cells died and stuff. It's not correct. So if the controls are 100% for example, so they're like what? You're comparing everything, too. So the control is 100% say cells. With justice stimulus like there were more cells than the control, then they would be. You'd be comparing that against 100. So let's say let's say they were like 10 cells in the control. Obviously, it's not 10 much larger numbers, but let's just say it's 10. Therefore, and and then then let's say the the cells in, you know, the one with just the stimulus not well control. It's the one that stimulus they've they've got 20 cells. Therefore, if the control is 100% the stimulus is 200% because it's it's the percentage of the control, if you know what I mean. So it's almost an happen you've got. Uh I don't know how to explain it. Really? It's almost imagine you've got your cell of interest above the control. Almost. If the control is always 100 percent, it's just going to be That's all the 100%. So if let's say there were only nine cells in the different part of your plate, then that's 90% of your control. It's all relative to the control. That's how you want to do it. Okay, Um, what kind of like analysis would you do? Like, how would you present that in a graph like 13 years? Louise, Uh, Louisa went through this. I'm pretty sure it was, um you basically you don't write. You just use it to produce your, um, final numbers that you put on your graph. Right, David? Like we we did the you convert all the XL into percentages, and then you present that? Yeah, I think so. So you convert the data into percentages of the control, and then you present that on the graph? Yeah, So that yeah, that's for the cell viability. It's all just about the percentages. Yeah, exactly as J said, percentages of the control because the control is almost the baseline. Almost so it's all relative to the baseline because say, Say, you did have something really incorrect because for us, we had, like, hydrin peroxide. So for me and Jake, we put, like, way too much hydrin peroxide in and our cells had it not been corrected by I forget her name J But the personally, like sourcing out not Louise, if someone else is it Shereen Shereen? Yeah. It's basically Shereen redid ours who actually was viable, but in our one that we put way too much hydrin peroxide in. So therefore, the cells with hydrin peroxide in were basically, like zero. So therefore they'd be, like, 0% because it's all relative to control. Okay. Thank you. When you say control, is that the one that hasn't had the stimulant? It hasn't happened. No stimulus, Nothing. It's just the cells. So what? Are you sure you wanted to make sure what you were doing when you added the stimulus that wasn't toxic to the cells? That's one of the things you needed to prove. Right, um, again, on on Duncan's mantras and like making sure that the effect is caused by the stim stimulus way. Um, so that was part of that was part of the reason you have the control. And then it was like, Yeah, I think it can also be like, if if the stimulus doesn't even work because all your cells are dead in the first place. Is the stimulus producing response Um, yeah. You need the stimulus to show, you know. Yeah, exactly. That's not toxic in any anything. Just just that anything isn't toxic, to be honest. Okay, so you have a graph for cell viability for every group, every different group. Yeah, it's a bit rough. Uh, I mean, like, once you can kind of, like, figure out. Yeah, basically, you need a cell viability graph. And then second to that, like what Jay was saying before there's a graph that Duncan did. Now, I don't really know how best to explain it. It's almost the one where it's like, uh, you know, it's the control than just the vehicle. It's like showing the and that relative prostrated involved. Yeah, of of response compared to every single like group. Right? So, response of the control of response to the stimulus response of the Pew Disney response of the other inhibitor. Yeah. Hmm. Space you need, like cell viability. Then you need what J was saying. Like this thing. Response curve. What's what's graphed? Graphed the curve. Um, I was going to try and quickly find my graphs. One sec. Could you have an appendix that you have to do everything in the work out? No, I don't have an appendix at all. Appendixes don't actually contribute to marks at all. Anyway, basically, for the B SC project, which is the, you know, you know the thing you're doing, like march onwards. Uh, you do a write up for that. As you know, one can do an appendix, but you can't show extra data and independence, okay? And it won't be marked, Really. It's just it's just more for your own interest, but definitely for an appendix. Don't just put extra day terrin, because obviously there's a limit to the number of figures and tables you can have. But don't use the appendix as a way to bypass that because a they're not in the markets. It's pointless. Be It just shows that you're not good at managing How many graphs you need, You know, as in, like, you're you're you've got too many. Yeah. So I don't think you really need an appendix if you're really interested in it. You know, you want to show something about your methods, that's fine. But it would again be more like diagrams or something. What was the response you guys were measuring? We were measuring c x e l A production. Same. Okay, so there were two big tape, too. Big graphs. Uh, there was the cell viability. So you have control at 100 and then literally every single category alongside the squirrel. Well showing, uh, the survival rates of each one. So, like for each concentration would be desonide for each concentration of whatever other inhibitor years, um, for the water hydrant peroxide for the vehicle and for the stimulus. All of them. Um, And then, uh, the other one we had was these, uh, multi paned graphs of, uh, c x c l A production against every single again, every single category of treatment. Um, and that was a So the way we did it was because we only had one inhibitor it was all the different types of control. So, like straight of control, vehicle stimulus, hydro peroxide, all of them. They were all bars. And then we had a break in the X axis and then a lion graph for the different concentrations of budesonide. Okay. And then from there you can do the I see. I see 50 and that that allowed us to the I C. Fifties. I think. I think that's where we got them from. I see, because I was gonna do them separately. But if you put the brake Yeah, um, how do I was like, totally shit basically, or one is effectively the same as all one. It's just they've added an extra inhibitor, probably just to spice things up. It's still the same principles, though, Which is the important thing, definitely the past, uh, you know, the kind of bank of older years versions like That's obviously, you know, one time lift from it directly, but it's still very useful just to see the principles. You see that? I think that's the same as well. Yeah, so, like, that's what it was. It's just bar graphs and then a line graph. And these the concentrations of budesonide. Okay, Do you manifest screenshot? So, uh, it's not mine. Okay, Um but yeah, that's the cell viability. Uh, is this, like, the past year's stuff? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I mean, you guys have acted that anyway, so I'm trying to find mine. I can, uh I can give my graphs to Alina, and she'll get them to you guys, uh, like, might aren't amazing, but they do the same thing. Like, uh, they have the shape, you know? Okay, any more questions? Okay. Well, anyway, I mean, if you guys have any questions, you can always email us or, you know, if you're BSC body, you can always text and stuff. Um, but, you know, good luck and and well done with the first two I c. A s like it. It does kind of not that it gets easier, but I mean, like, you get more used to kind of doing I c A s like you're getting that kind of mindset where it's at least for me. The first few I felt the hardest to me because I was kind of least prepared for them. So it does get best for that's good. Thank you. Yeah. Thanks, guys. Have a nice night and stuff. Thank you. Bye bye. All right, David. Pardon? All right. Yeah, I'm good. Thank you. How are you? Not bad. How's placement? Oh, it's good to me. So I'm on my f C p at the moment. It's pretty relaxed. What you have C p. It's It's craniofacial surgery. It's basically plastic surgery. Not much place. They sure it's, like a bit of both. Like so today. I just did something that was Max Facts. Yeah, it was credited Physical chill West. Oh, nice. Yeah, he was here with that as well, doesn't it? Pardon? That worked really well for you as well, doesn't it? Yeah. No, no, it's easier. I mean, what do you want at the moment? Uh, emergency medicine at HILLINGDON sucks, Especially since, um, especially since, like, emergency medicine is one of the ones I kind of wanted to do. Yeah, I know. I know what you mean. I definitely think it'd be like, right up your alley, because it's just annoying. Except Hillingdon, I guess, But like, they're just they're just useless. Like, but I got I got my final sign off today. so Oh, well done. Really good. Um, and it's a gold mine for Dobbs. No, no, honestly, I had my emergency med first. I get everything done apart from female CAFTA, obviously, but I got everything else done. Yeah. No, it's, um I literally just have to get my I am injection done. And then that that's all my I found. I am injection. Very difficult to do. Uh, in Emergency Med, it was more just luck. And like I used to put my name, I like in the corner of the board. There was, like, a space. So I put my name in the corner, and I just, like, put my number and I'd be like, If anyone has nine injection, please call me. Never worked. No one ever called, But that's what I was told to do. At least no one called. No, no, it's the same with, like, suit. Like, basically, we wanted to try and do, like, wound care and the 10, like we basically kept going to like a certain area. I forgot what it was called, but again, like they asked, just put our numbers on the board, but they never called, So I think they were Just like trying to get rid of us, if you know what I mean. Where do you have it? Uh, training cross China Cross is supposed to be really good. It is really good. No, no, no, no, Don't get me wrong. It is really good because in the end, I did get my wound care done. I did get my I'm injection. It's just some people are not the most helpful, but, I mean, the vast majority are very helpful. And it is like it was quite a good place to start with because, like you had shifts to, like, eight hours or something at different times, at least before the six years came, it was really, really good. Once the six years came, there were like too many people. Also, the week the six years came was the same week is like the F one, you know, f to hand over it like so, like they were just not. They were just being, like, trained and stuff. So it was just consultants on the shop floor, but they were too busy to really teach. So it wasn't the first few weeks were fantastic. Probably like some of the best med school like placements I've ever had. The final week is pretty average. Yeah. Yeah. Like luckily, uh, the one thing about being inhaling does even the six years don't want to be there. So there was really fighting. So that's good. I mean, do you actually have, like, a shift thing, or is it more easy going whenever you fancy? He wanted us to, and we said we were going to, and then we didn't fair. And I mean, how many of there are How many of you are there on he did tell them. Done on. There was 3 50 years and 1246 years. Okay, it's not. Yeah, like, mine was 3 50 years, and then I think, like, 56 years. There was also an elective student like someone was doing their elective. Yeah, Yeah, we had that on pizza. Any for a bit. And it was kind of a bit annoying because, like, fair, you're being keen. But also, we only get to do this for four days. Mm. But yeah, I don't know. It's it's a bit annoying. I do know what you mean, because I think especially like. Sorry. What do you What do you start in the new year? Oh, it's pretty relaxed, to be honest. It's just it's just done. I'd egan on ontology is It's not that bad. Then after that, I got Pete. I love so much. Yeah. No, I feel like I'm looking forward to Pedes because it's just different. Yeah. Make sure you start working on Pedes before you actually have Pedes. Oh, no. Yeah. I've already been doing like, I think, because my Pedes is my fifth placement. Yeah, I've already, like, revised. Where do you have? Oh, MG, some marries. Okay, fine. Well, because I want to know what the what the crack is Apparently North looks pretty good, because, um, you get, like, apparently I may be wrong but apparently get, like, daily teaching, But the tutorials are really useful and stuff. And the and the, um the like teaching. So there used to be it. Imperial. Right. So he's quite knowledgeable about it. I think Norfolk is good for O n G. Apparently only once is actually good for for Pedes as well. Like, it's good. Norfolk is just the best place to have a placement this year. Oh, really? Yeah, it's good to know. Except except D and I d sorry, except e d. And I. D. Oh, is I d bad that I thought it was pretty good because, like, you get a lot of unique So you get interesting cases, but they considering it's not an examined placement, they just expect so much attendance. Oh, God. Red, Yeah. Oh, dear. But hey, my ones that chill west, I think for I d gum Mine's a chill West. Let me know how it goes. Yeah, I will, I will. Is it your last placement? Yeah, Yeah, I don't apparently from what I know, they're not that strict. It's more just there's, like one really nice consultant. And then there's one consultant that's like a bit Let's just say dated like I don't I don't know, though. I was speaking to the OB was speaking to the obs and guiding students that hillingdon with me. Right? And apparently there's this obs and guide, the Reg at Hillingdon who absolutely hates Martin Lupton. Really? Yeah, he spent he spent like a good 15 minutes talking to value about how bad Martin up today is because he was saying that he's racist. What? Yeah, he was saying There's been, like, so many instances where the care he's given to like people of ethnic minorities has just been completely substandard. Really? Yeah. God, Oh, dear. I mean, that's just whether it's true or not, it's just difficult. Yeah. Oh, God. I know because I know Marston. Marston Lupton is an obstetrician, and he doesn't work very much anymore. But he did. Yeah. Prison don't mental. It's stressful. Did most lots of work at Killington, then? No, no, no. But the Reg who worked with Martin Lupton now works at Herrington. Oh, gosh. Uh, what are you doing this evening? Not much, to be honest. Um, probably just relaxing, I assume because I was in theater from, like, eight until 6. 30. I'm, like, one case, like, six hours, and I was scrubbed in for it because obviously, like, you know, I'm not going to see this again, so I may as well just, like get involved. But I was standing there for, like, six hours, like I was doing a few things. Like they even let me like source and bone. Oh, yeah. No, it's just interesting because, like, If you're standing there for six hours, you'll take anything at that point. Yeah, but is, um is anyone in your family medical? Yeah, quite a few people in my family medical, but none of none have ever done craniofacial. It's just that I spoke to my uncle. I spoke to my uncle, who was like, I spoke to him about my s cps. Just because I was just choosing them at the same time as he does He live in Australia? Yeah. Yeah, he lives in Australia, but basically, like, he, uh, he just basically spoke to me. And he was like, cause I was thinking of doing, like, intro to surgery or so because that's a different SCP. And he was just like, That's pointless because you can do that in any surgical specialty. May as well do something that you're not going to see again. Yeah. Yeah. So he was just, like, choose something that's really unique and like, you're never going to see otherwise. Don't Don't just do something that you can do in a different placement, if you know what I mean. So he also recommended against doing like, critical care cause he was like, you're already doing critical care. Also be honest land. I didn't choose critical care because critical care I found was very dry just because the patient Yeah, I had it in ST Marys. Uh, and I was on there's, like, two sides of the unit, and they function independently of each other. Uh, so I was in 17 to 32 luckily, I just happened to be on the good side, because the culture there is so different to the other side. Uh, really was so lovely. And they were so like, pushing you to do things they were like, Yeah, yeah. Is it like every they like, Uh, the last two days we were there. They, like, gave us a patient at hand over, and they were like, you saw everything to do with this patient, like, obviously will help you, but like, you should go see the patient. Asked the nurse how they wear overnight, do a full examination right up their notes and will come and check it. Don't worry, but like and then you present it at the ward round to the consultant. It was so it was like the consultant gave us so much teaching. Um, it was like a 3.5 hour ward round. But, like no, honestly, all rounds take ages, care, and then, like, the F three was like, I helped an F three do a CBC. I was like holding the ultrasound probe for them. Yeah, that's really interesting. So much better than my critical care at Norfolk is like my critical Kurt Norfolk was like, it was nice, but none of the people like there was There was, like, two people that want to teach, one of which was a consultant, that he was really busy, Obviously. Then one was a really nice Reg. But everyone else was very like Frosty. And the problem was as well, like nearly all the patient's were intubated, you know, they already had a nurse next to them. Basically, at all times, obviously. So there wasn't really much to do, like it just goes to the ward round. Like people I was with really didn't even go in much anyway, just because I put a Cabral line in Really? Whoa, that's crazy. I know That sounds really good. It was just really good. Like it was just like they were just really into pushing the students. Hmm. And I feel if if mine was like that, I'd probably enjoy it more. But I I want so. But the thing is that I reckon, what's happening? Like I reckon if I had, like, try and cross for A and E, I reckon I'd probably enjoy it like tons. I think you would be fair, because I think the thing is like if I think that try and cross and it's like you almost have, like, earn their respect in a way like that's just the culture, like if you go in, if you do the shift, if you help out where you can, they will give you extra opportunities. Like, for example, a consultant wanted me to speak and basically stay with this, like, really drunk patient for an hour and a half, like, almost like, hand like manage him if you know what I mean, because otherwise just don't do anything. But then at the end of that, she was just like Oh, someone needs Suta ring done of the wound. I'll tell the doctors to go grab you. So then I got to like suits with someone's leg wound and stuff. And that was the first time I ever suit should like someone's actually, yeah, it was really, really, really useful. Um, but that was only in like, the last week when I've done notice. I've done all my shifts and stuff for the whole house. So there's some six years literally did not go in all the time and then, like three of them, like it's really weird, actually, like three of them needed to do the obs together like they're just basic obs. It was just like BP options sat. It's just a group of three of them doing it. And even the doctor was like, I don't think all three of you need to do it But then they were like, How can we do it together? I just found it very, very odd, because your, uh, your behavior that like the best if you know what I mean. But six years, my experience so far a bit. I feel like people work harder in fifth year, but maybe there burns how No, no, I think fifth year is more demanding on the medical like on the course side, But final year, there's just way more admin you have to do in the final year. Yeah. Most people have to organize to move cities to a place where they've never lived before. That's just the thing you have to do in final. Yeah. What, you mean, like for the G P? Yeah, and all. And also, when you get your f one job Oh, true. Like like as in there's a lot of things you just have to do in vital. Yeah, that is like madmen. So I can I can get Why? They're not as like, into just coming into placement every day. Yeah, I know what you mean. Well, no, it wasn't even just like they weren't coming into place like some of them were really proactive, But some of them, just like I don't know, they just didn't want to really do anything when they were there. It's okay. It meant that they weren't stealing opportunities from you. Yeah, true. True. So remember, someone kept coming into TNO like drama in orthopedics, but they just go to the morning handover meeting. But then, like, just sit in the library the rest of the day like I don't I don't know. I had they didn't like the whole time, you know? Sorry. I had a fun time on TNO as well. I liked it. But do you do your TNO Mary's? Oh, God, If you had to write lots of Mary's, to be honest, Yeah, Pete's quick care and T r o. Because Mary's has a trauma center as well. So Yeah, it was really interesting. So I had my nature West Child West was good. Um, but some of the consultants for a bit like serious, but obviously because they like their specialty. Um, but I really enjoyed TNO. To be honest, I c h t literally. All of the consultants were jokes. Like they none of them gave a shit. Oh, really? Yeah. Like as in as in, like, in a good way. Like they were just all really chill the outside. I need I need to do this side off, and they're like, Oh, just just just give it here. Yeah, yeah. No, I had there was a really, really, really nice registrar Trail West, but, you know, he was just like like we were just explain. Like how it's quite difficult to getting a musculoskeletal exam sign off. So he was just like, just do it on each other, not sign you off. You don't need to do on patient's because, like usually a consultant will just do it themselves on the patient. Um, so that was really nice as well. Um, I have to have a curry, like on the boiled. Don't worry. Don't worry. Yeah, Okay. Are you around after path? Yeah. Wait, wait, wait. Do you mean, like, when do you mean after path? Sorry, um, as in, like, the week after path. Not immediate, actually. I'm going to Australia, but no way I'm available, like in the new year. If you know, ask me. You know what? Like after one of the mandatory days, we should if you're coming in. Oh, no, I'm happy to. I'm happy to No, no, no. I always come into path anyway. Yeah, Cool. We'll do something monday or Tuesday. Yeah, because basically, I think, uh, the flight is almost the Sunday after passed. I'm free on the Saturday but otherwise I'm I'm busy. Flight to three, like three to write on the Monday or the Tuesday We should do something. Yeah, I'm happy to happy. Yeah, that's good. Anyway, it's nice to see you again and enjoy the rest of your emergency med. I feel if you've been signed off, it's up to you as to whether you want to go in. Honestly. Yeah. Yeah. So you have a nice day. Enjoy your curry. Uh