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Hi, everyone. I hope everyone can see me. So, welcome to today's event on application to UK residency. Uh My name is Kate. I am part of the Preclinical team in UI S and it's my pleasure to introduce you to doctor William who will be our speaker today. And uh yeah, just one thing for me. You can ask questions as we go. So feel free to use the chat or just um unmute yourself and you can speak. Um And that's all for me. So I will just hand it over to doctor Will and I hope you find uh this webinar useful. Hello everyone. Uh My name is William. You can call me Will. That's fine. And first of all, I just wanna say thank you to Kate and you, you, you I MS team for having me on here. So it was a pleasure to be on here and give a talk. Um Just a brief info. I am a university graduate. I just finished um this year earlier. Uh yeah, around June this year. So I'm currently still in the process of um making my GMC application. Um My situation is a bit unconventional at the moment because um there's a lot of unfamiliar, like, like, you know, stuff with my documents and the organization is just having some issues very fine, but the process should be more or less the same. Um And what I'm gonna like, share with you today um is just a general like idea of how the process should be, like, because I know a lot of you guys are in your second year or third year. Um So I would advise that closer to the time when you do graduate. Uh it could be next year, even um information could always be changing, you know, with the application process and stuff. So I would advise to always um definitely do your own research and uh just keep up to date with current information is always changing. Um um This thought would be more focused on making a application uh to GMC in the UK. And even that, that's always changing, the rules are changing. Um The structure of the training programs this year has changed, which I will talk about later. Um But so yeah, uh what I tell you today should be just a general brief idea of how it should be and it shouldn't be like 100% reliable information coming from me because uh I'm still going through the process, it's still all new to me. Um And uh and I hope, I hope whatever I tell you uh will help. So, yeah, I'm just gonna load up my presentation. Um, initially, it was more, gonna be, I thought it was just gonna be more of me just talking or I did, I did realize there's quite a lot of information, uh, to process like contact information, addresses and, and stuff like that and it's just easier to, you know, have on screen and feel free to, um, this session is recorded. So, uh, if ever you wanna refer back, you can always, you watch this and uh all the information should be on my presentation. Um I have included as much information as I could think of, you know, like so far what I've been through to date uh with the Epic application and uh trying to uh and with the GMC application even, um I'll talk about some job opportunities as well. Um Like um in the UK, like what, you know, potential work you can find uh when you do register with GMC and stuff. Ok. So I'm gonna load up my presentation now. Um I'm not too sure how to do this for. Yeah. Um OK. So sorry guys, I'm trying to load up my presentation. I'm very unfamiliar with the platform. So, and it's my first time giving a talk on here. So I do apologize. Ok. Oh, um Hold on. Uh So I'm basically using a old laptop and it doesn't have uh Microsoft installed. Uh uh I think are you able to share uh the entire screen or I can share in touch screen but every time I open the presentation it just closes because I don't have the p I don't have the paid version or something like that. Uh I'm just trying to, ok, I think it works like this. Uh OK. Um I'm gonna share again. I think it work like this. Ok. Can you guys see it? The presentation? Yeah, we, we, I can see it. Yeah. Ok. Awesome. I wouldn't, I wouldn't be able to see the chat uh as I'm speaking, but like I said, if you have any questions midway through, do feel free to stop me and um I will try my best to answer your question as much as possible. So, yeah. Eight. OK. So first of all, um when you graduate, um depending on which university you are from, I would assume a lot of you guys would not be studying at Stra University because if you did study at my university, the study department at the moment anyway, isn't so familiar with what documents to provide you. Uh But probably moving forward in the future, like maybe next year, they will probably uh have a more better idea, you know, to what documents to give you. So when you do graduate, at least, uh at least, uh this is current information um for this year anyway, it, it could, I assume it could be the same for next year as well and the other years moving forward. Because these documents is what you will need to register with the GMC um uh in the UK. So, first of all, you will need to ask for a proof of internship letter. It's basically uh rotations that you did um during your 5th and 6th year. Um um you know, like not every single um II wouldn't say include every single internship but does include the main um specialities, you know, like internal medicine, pediatrics, op and gyne, you know, obstetric and gynecology. Um you know, and even epidemiology if you did have any internships in that for me, I did have maybe like, I think I had like a week. So even though it's quite short, I still included it. Um essentially it's just a document with dates and the name of the um uh like rotation and, and when it was signed off, you know, that they, you know, all that stuff. So if you ask your study department, they should know uh what this is and they should provide that to you. Um doctor. Well, I'm very sorry to interrupt. I just wanted to ask if you can share the screen or Oh, never mind, never mind. Oh, sorry. Oh, no, no, I think it's working now because before we couldn't see if you click on the next slide, but now we're seeing it. It's OK. Oh, so if I put in full screen it doesn't work. So does it work? Can you, do you see my slide, we can see it now. Yeah, if you're changing the slides, we can see it now. Yeah, thank you. All right. OK. Awesome. Awesome, sweet, sweet. Yeah. So and the next two documents that you would need is a letter of Good Standing and certificate of completion of studies from the study department. So with the letter of Good Standing, which I'll talk about um in the next slide um is you can get this from your study department. Essentially, it's just a letter to, to tell you that you never practiced like preventive medicine uh as a doctor and you never registered as a doctor in the UK, something like this along the line of this. But from what I know, um this document, the letter Good Standing is useless to the GMC and even German Epic application because they don't require it. But it's still always good to have just in case that, you know, the rules do change and, and what and you know, it's always good to have just ask for this document. And the next document is certificate of completion of studies. Um It's, it's just AAA like a letter basically to confirm that you complete your studies between this year and this year at the, at your institution. And if you are gonna register with a GMC, one of the requirements is um it doesn't matter if you're a British citizen or, you know, as long as you studied outside of the UK, you would be required to do um Ielts test. It's basically an English uh competency test and you will need to average um, 7.5 overall. There are four sections, reading, writing, speak, and listening. Um, I won't go too much into Ielts, um, because it's also quite long but um, it is a requirement, it's just an English test and there is a lot of youtube videos online to, um, you know, er, to talk about like what you should, you know, tips and stuff. So you should average 7.5 overall and score at least 7.0 in each uh four areas. I've heard it isn't so difficult but um it's just a basic requirement of um, TMC. Um, so letter Good Standing and certificate of nonmembership. Um, a lot of you guys, uh I would assume a lot of you guys are students so you would be like a recent graduate and therefore you wouldn't have registered with any uh medical body or practice any preventative uh care and the certificate you would need would be the certificate on nonmembership. And that's why I said the letter Good Standing wouldn't really apply in your case because that's more generally for doctors who practice or have practiced uh medicine in the Czech Republic and then plan to work abroad. So for whatever reason, if the GMC do suspect you of having been registered with someone else or whatever they will, they might request for medical standing. But other than that, most of the time they would request for a certificate of nonmembership and I will talk about how to uh apply for this in the next few slides. And from the date when the document is issued, it would be valid for three months max from the date of issue. So in general, it should be enough time between when you graduate to when you register with a GMC. Overall, the process should take about uh one month, shouldn't really take more than a month. Um But in general it should take just over a month and a few days I think. Um and it all really depends on how far your university cooperates with the epic replication, which I'll also talk about. So doctor, I think if you just uh click on the slides um because it's not changing the slides in the screen. Oh really? Yeah, yeah, if you, if you actually click on them then it will change. Yeah, sorry about that. OK? No problem. No problem. So yeah, I'm sorry about that. I think I'll just keep it like this if it's ok for everyone and I'm just gonna click them might be easier. Yeah, it's something like that. Yeah, thank you. OK. So awesome. So I'm not sure if you guys seen the slide. Um I apologize for that but yeah, this is the letter for standing uh which I mentioned and the certificate non membership is what a lot of you guys would need, uh, because I would assume a lot of you guys would be graduating recently or, you know, maybe next year or the year after. Um, so this is the cer certificate that you would need and it's valid for three months maximum, the date of issue. So just a general background of who the medical chamber is. So they are the ones who would issue you the, um, the certificate on nonmembership. Um They are a prof professional organization. They basically represents all doctors uh in the Czech Republic. They regulate them and, and they basically support them, you know, if with like complaints or anything, uh they basically look after them. Um So the first thing you do is you should visit this website. So uh all the, all the links will be provided at the end uh of this presentation. So you don't have to write it down or, or whatever. Um I will provide all the links at the end. Um So you visit this website and then you have to scroll down a bit and it will tell you about all the documents as well. It's quite long, it'll tell you about the letter good standing, the nonmembership certificate and all this stuff. Um But the one that concerns most of you would be the nonmembership. So you go down, um you download the application form, it's, it's literally one page and once you fill out most of the form um you could even send it to either of these emails. So I had better luck sending it to foreign at C KCR dot CZ because they responded quite fast. Um, but some of my friends, they send it to this one, which is more a which is the one that they advertised on their website and they took a long time to respond. But for some reason, this one, ii assume they have some sort of redirect, you know, email forwarding. Um that or forward to this one. This was the old email, but it is still in use, at least as of this year, it is still in use. So, um I just had a better look with that one. The fee is 1000 crowns. Um It's about like €30 or, or, or so. Um and from the date of application, it takes usually about two weeks for them to respond and for them to also um send you like a PDF version and then the hard copy would be provided to the address that you filled out um on the phone. So this is what the form looks like. I apologize for being so small. Um ok, I don't know if you guys can see this. So this is just a blank application form and essentially this is what it looks like. Um As of this year, it could be different next year. Um So it's, it's very straightforward, you know, first name So, and just make sure that when you complete this form, you put English language. Um So, like I said, this talk is mostly focused uh with a registration to the UK with the GMC. Uh So it's important that you have this document in English language because if it's in any other language that you, you take care, the GMC will not accept it and they will ask you to get that translated by a, an official translator and it just more, it's a lot more time consuming and more money involved and stuff. Um There should be like an address section. Yeah, and you, this is where you input the address that you want the certificate to, to be delivered to. So let's say you graduate in June and I would assume a lot of you guys would not be staying in the Czech Republic. So you'd probably be going home. So I wouldn't advise putting your Czech address unless you are still in the Czech Republic like post one month after you graduate. Um But yeah, just put your home address and they would post that to you. Um In my case, uh yeah, my case, uh my certificate did get lost in the post. Uh But the people at the office are very, very nice. They're very responsive and helpful. Um They responded to my query like literally in a few days and they issued me a new copy, you know, free of charge. Uh So they didn't ask me to pay another fee to get a new copy. So my copy actually did get lost. Uh I never received it and it was over a month. Um But yeah, the people there in office are very nice. Ok. Ok. So after you got your uh after you applied for your non membership, um and after you contact your study department for the free document, as I mentioned, the first step would be to go to the post office. Um This step is not uh is not, it's not necessary, but it's only for people who wants to practice uh local role in the UK, which I will talk about later because I will talk about all the job opportunities that you can apply for in the UK. Um Essentially you need to go to the check post or check a poster and you should request for a police criminal records, check in check, this is what it's called. Um And um if you um walk into the post office, I would assume it's all the same across the Czech Republic. There should be like some machines and uh you basically give click on the machines and it should say something uh about like other services and you click that and there should be a section about criminal records or, or something from the register. So that's what you would need. And um you have to tell them that it has to be in English. Um So when you are filling out the form, there should be a section that says za it or something like it means language and just make sure um that says, which means English. Um a few me including and a few of my friends, like when we applied for it, um we did ask for English copies initially but the people at the check post, they, they, they understood but they just didn't fill it out properly. So, um that, that wasted a lot of time for me as well. Um So just, you know, just, just a tip. Um Just make sure that it does say, you know, and that the EU section is very important otherwise, um when the report is ready. So for eu nationals and for me even it took literally uh just over three weeks. So it took almost 25 days. So it was a very long time and I waited that long just to be told that it was all in Czech language and I had to wait again another 25 days to get a, a reissue of that document. So they couldn't do it there. And then, so it was very long. Um just make sure it's in English and for non eu citizens, um Technically UK is not in the eu, so I'm not sure why it still took me so long but, but non eu citizens, um it took them literally 50 minutes and they already um or, or maybe a day even. And they have their one done pretty quick. And whilst you're at the post office, um you should make copies of your diploma on supplement. So when you, uh when you graduate, you'll be given your medical diploma, uh some universities might give you a mini diploma in English. Um So it's essentially, it's the same version as the uh a free version. Um So you'll get given like a, a free version, Latin diploma and a copy of your supplement as well. Um So just make copies of your um uh your small diploma, the English version. Um So as I was speaking, um at the beginning, um each university, um they, they might provide you with the English version of your diploma. I'm not entirely sure because uh I graduated from university and they did give me a, an English version but I know some universities like Child University, they don't provide you um an English version of your diploma. So you would have to um I II haven't been through the process. I wouldn't know too much, but II would assume you have to approach like a solicitor or someone uh in like a legal position who can uh translate your document and then notarize it, you know, to make it all official and stuff. Um uh I'm not too sure how much that would cost and stuff. Um But if you are applying through er Epic, Epic is um again, is I'll talk about that later as well. It's an organization that uh verify uh international credentials. You know, like if you wanna work um outside the country you studied in. Um So you want to work abroad, um does have a, um does have their own translation service and I think they do recommend to use their service because um at least um if you get it done through them, they would 100% accept your document. But if you get it done somewhere else, you know, there could be some sort of, there could be discrepancies and they might reject it for whatever reason. I I'm not sure. Um but Epic does have their own translation service. So if ever you guys do wanna translate anything, like let's say your medical diploma, um you can go through them and I do advise that you go through them because they are the official, you are gonna get verified through Epic. So it makes sense to go through them, right? Um So yeah, when you're at the post office, just make copies and uh when you, when you make a copy of your um diploma and, or supplement at the post office, um you should also ask them to verify as well to make it to, to prove that the original version and the uh copied version are, are legitimate, you know, so they would make a stamp, they would sign it and they would, you know, they will do all the um um official stuff. And once you're, you're done, I will probably make like 34 copies for me. I made about three copies and I know a lot of you guys, your, your diploma would be um probably like a free version. It was, it's very massive, it's very huge. Uh You can um So for me, um I went to like af copy shop and they basically was able to shrink it from a three to a four. So that was fine. But from what I heard, some of my friends um went to the post office and uh with the same copies that um where they had it, you know, shrunk, um same, same place, the post office rejected their version because they said that it, it has to be from the post office. They have to shrink it. Uh They wouldn't allow anyone else outside of the post office to shrink the document. They, they have to basically see, see through the whole process, but I'm not sure why they're set to my one because initially when I went to the post office, they said they won't do it for me. So I had to look somewhere else and do it. Um But some of my friends they said that they had to get it done like the whole thing at the post office. So it's, it's very 5050 maybe try the post office first, see what they say. And if they say no, then just go to a full copy shop and get them to shrink it and then just take it back on the same day as well and they should, they should do all this. So make 34 copies of your diploma and supplement. Um because you'll need it later for your legalization and Apostle, which I will also talk about. Um this part is important um especially if you are going to apply to the uh UK. Um So what is legal legalization is basically the first step? Um It's, it's a two part process. Um It's the both these steps are complementary, complementary to each other. The first step basically confirms that your document uh is legitimate and it has been issued by the, by your university that you studied in, in the Czech Republic. Um It's usually verified by an official body so it can be your university. I heard um I Charles University is more known uh to do this. So um I think if you contact someone from your state department or the relevant university office, I'm not sure they, they, they technically could do it for you. If not, you can just visit the Ministry of Education. Um I would provide all the contact details of where I went to get it done. So it's all in this presentation. Um So this is the first part and the second step is the Apostle. Uh So it's complementary to legalization. So the first step is legalization. The second step is Apostle. Um Apostle is basically an um international treaty. It's, it's like an agreement. Um It's under the Hague convention 1961. Um This is, I'm not, I'm not sure why it's called this, but this is what it's called. It's an international treaty. It is an agreement. It basically means that uh if you have this Apostle, uh from what I know, uh as of now, I think over 100 and 20 countries, they would recognize your degree is legitimate and you wouldn't have to go through all this uh you know, verification process again in your home country and do the, you know, not, you know, all the other stuff. So it, it just makes things a lot easier if you can just get all them then then and it would apply for the, you know, for the feature and you can use it no matter what country you want to work in, you can work in the UK US. Um pretty much most eu countries and uh they would accept this Apostle because all these countries are part of this convention. Um So essentially as an international layer of replication, um it just confirms that the initial legalization step was done properly and it's all fully legitimate. And so this is what, what it OK, so yeah, II always spoke about about it. So this is basically what the Hague convention is. Um It allows international mobility. Um It makes cross bordering activities, like studying work and set more efficient and more easier. And as I said, it has over 100 and 20 member countries. Um So if, if it's not part of this convention, if you're from a country that's not part of this uh convention, then you might need additional legalization depending. Um, um Yeah, which country you're from. So it, it does a lot more, a lot more work. Um, So I do recommend that you all um get this done after you. Um So the first step would be, you know, just, just apply for your nonmembership straight away and then as soon as possible, try to get these, these steps done as soon as possible as well. All right. So yeah, as I said, this whole process, it protects gay discrepancies or inconsistencies across um, you know, document issues in different languages across the EU or other countries uh in the UK. It's very, it's very crucial that you do this because the GMC will do recognize this. The GMC is the UK is part of this convention and once they see that your degree and supplement is Apostle, they, they know it's genuine and uh it will allow them to evaluate your application like uh quicker, more consistently and you know, there won't be any delay if you don't do this. They, I would assume, uh they would ask for more information. I'm not sure what information they will ask. They'll probably ask for more verification, you know, that your degree is legit from the uni and they want more documents. I'm not sure. Uh the app, the application process is really like um based on a like an individual basis. So as long as you have all these documents up to this point, you should be um generally OK? Um Registering with a GMC, at least for me right now. Um I don't have any major issues right now other than um I'm currently still getting my degree um uh verified for my uni but as I said, I studied from UNI and the reason why my application is taking quite longer than usual is because um there wasn't any ratified uh all elected officials on the epic um system or, you know, the ra education organization system. So when I initially made my application, everyone got rejected because uh there was no elected official and they never informed me about this. And so, so it's, it's very um yeah, it's very confusing. Um So yeah, this is the legalization on post. So for me, I did it in Prague. So II went to Prague um for I think one day um you, yeah, like I said, you'll need your English medical diploma, the one that you strunk uh in um at the post office and had it verified at the post office and you'll need your supplement as well. Um So these are all documents that were provided at your graduation. Um So these are the, the two addresses that I went to. So the first one that you should go to is the Ministry of Education, the Legalization. Um This is the dress uh in Prague and this is the contact from what I know. Um she has been doing this for many years already. So even for um students who graduate next year, II, uh I think she would still be there. Uh Half uh most uh majority of the time um either her or her colleague, but the main contact is her is DNA and these are her working hours. Um So like I that these are just information current as of uh this year. Like what I went through, it could uh very much change um in the future and I paid 200 crowns per copy. Um And you can only pay um uh you can only pay them with stamps. You cannot uh use your bank card, you cannot pay them with cash it, they don't accept any of that. They only accept uh stamps. Uh What I mean by stamps is that it's essentially you just go to a post office and you asked to buy 100 crowns stamps. And it's, it's also a small stamp to um has a value of 100 crowns and that's what they accept. Um I bought free because IR um free copies. Um So your medical, your medical diploma and supplement counts as one copy. So that's 100 crowns. So because they stamp it together. So that's 100 crowns. Um In total, I had six pages because I had three medical diplomas and free supplements. And in total, that cost me 300 crowns. So that, that's how this part works. The next part um is the Postle, which is the important part because legalization is only um like I said, it, it, it's only just to prove that your degree is legit in the country you studied in but not abroad. But M but the Apostle makes it uh internationally recognized. So in this case, it's important because if you want to apply to the UK, you will need Apostle. And this is the address uh I went to and these were the working hours. Um This place was a bit more expensive. Uh It cost me quite a lot. Uh quite a bit. Uh I had, like I said, I had um I had three copies, so six pages, but I was only managed to II was only able to manage to verify two full copies because the reason why is your diploma will count as one copy. Your supplement will count as one copy too. So that's two altogether and they can only make five copies on the spot per day. Um They wouldn't do more. They I II, like I said, I have six pages. I had three medical diplomas and free supplements. So they didn't, they didn't do my last page of the supplement and because that wasn't done, it doesn't make my full document complete. Um, so I was only able to do two at a time and, uh, yeah, it's free comes per copy so it could add up a lot, depending on how much copies you want. Er, generally, um, I would probably just make two copies, er, just in case. Um, I mean, if, if you want, you can make free but um I think two should be enough as long as, as uh you keep them safe and you think you won't lose them. I do think two is more than enough. Um If you want to be extra safe, you can make free uh totally up to you. Um So yeah, this is the Apostle. Um legalization was quite quick is uh you literally turn up to the office and um there, there's like a little telephone uh downstairs and you have to call and bringing her and then she'll come down and I assume this poster hasn't been seen for many years. Cos I spoke to some of my friends and the poster has, hasn't changed at all. Uh for Ministry of Affairs. Uh Yeah, for Ministry of Foreign Affairs, I do recommend you to go there as, as early as possible. Uh If you can get them for eight even, even great, even better because the queues between these times I went, I think just um I think I went around one and the queue were long, II think I waited there for probably more than an hour. Um, so I do arise you to go there as soon as possible as early as possible. Even before that, there was a lot of people waiting outside already because they probably knew the process would take a long time. So that is my tip. If you do go to get your post go as early as possible, otherwise you would um probably be waiting in line for quite a long time. Uh Yeah, that's from my experience. OK. So after you, um after you got all this bone, um the next step would be to create an Epic and F MG account. So essentially Epic is an electric electronic portfolio of international credentials. That's what it means. And it's a service run by CFM G. So Educational Commission for foreign medical graduates and they are an organization who are based in the US. So, and GMC uh collaborates with E CFM G to verify credentials. GMC doesn't verify them directly because it, it'll probably take them too much time. So they work with E CF E CFM G. Uh He manages the epic service to verify medical credentials. So after you've got all your legalization and postal dawn, you should create an epic account as soon as possible. Um These are just some um some tips I could give you on stuff that I filled out when I did my application. Um Yeah, it could be different, like I said, moving forward. But as of now, this is how, how I did it. So your title title or your degree would be M UD R um the end date. Um So I uh you, you could argue this because it could be either when you graduated or the day your final was on. But when I spoke to my study department, they, they stressed that it should be the date of your final exam, which makes sense because um as I said at the start of this presentation, uh when you finish your final exam in medical school, you're technically not a student at the faculty anymore. Uh your student membership basically seizes uh from the, from the second you finish your final exam. So end date should be the date of your final exam. So, II assume this would be different for everyone. It wouldn't be the same for everyone because, you know, maybe some people will have to resit some exams and that will take that will move on to the next month and, and so on. So make sure she takes your final exam. Uh, the fee as of right now is 100 and $58. Yeah, it's quite expensive. Um, you'll come to realize that there's gonna be a lot more fees uh as this presentation go on. But unfortunately, um this is the fee that you have to pay. Um, once you pay the fee, um you cannot do, you, you pretty much can't do anything yet. You have to wait a week, uh, for them to send you a temp username and password to your email. And essentially that's when you can actually start logging into the Epic account. Um, and, um, when you, um, log into the account, um, you go to my documents that too. Um, ok. Ok. Uh, before that, when you upload the title, your degree and stuff, you also have to upload your medical diploma. So I forgot to mention that. Um And when you upload your uh notarize and a uh uh you're translated uh legalized and apo uh diploma, just one copy is fine. Upload it to the system. They will verify all this and this is why it takes this long because they wanna, that you, you are a legitimate, you know that you did graduate, you are a medical student. So that, that's why it takes that long. Then once your account is all set up, they will set up for your account. They'll give you like your Epic ID and everything you go to my documents. And the next step that you want to do is to download your EI F PDF file. I'm not sure what it is. It's like a verification form or something. Um It has your picture. Um uh You also have the passport photo that you uploaded uh when you sign up to Epic. So yeah, that's also one part you upload your passport photo or some sort of photo. Um So it's not a big form. Uh It has your photo and then uh uh it has to be signed by you and someone from uh Epic. Um Yeah. Um Once you download your EI F PDF, uh you have to complete your notarization online. Uh So you need a webcam and your passport. Uh uh You have to do this. Uh Everyone has to go through this when you go for Epic. It's part of their procedure. Um You can do it on your laptop. Some of my friends, they did, they even did it on their mobile phone even. That's fine as well. Um uh If, if you're traveling and you're moving around, you can literally do it on your mobile phone. That's, that's cool too. Uh You go to this website, uh you, you need to make an account on here. So you register and um once you have registered, um you have to upload your uh EI F PDF, the one that you downloaded from Epic, you have to upload this to the not. Um So that's the website and once you uploaded it, um you should wait for an email, they, they will uh send you an email to invite you to a meeting uh with someone. Um If someone from it, someone from the US and they uh basically verify that your phone and you are correct. Um So you'll have your passport you have to like, bring it to the camera, you have to like swear off and, and all that stuff. They're very nice. They will tell you what to do. Um And once that's all done and they verify that you are legitimate and your c your credentials check out, they basically put like an E signature of your name in italics. They just stick that into your phone and then they sign off and that basically get sent back to E Epic. So that's how this part works. Um Yeah, it takes overall, this part takes about just over a week. Um Cos after you get uh verified uh after they sign your form, your verification and stuff, they should usually take a day uh for that to update. So as you go back to your um um Epic account, go to my credentials. Um OK, so maybe my information is a bit, is a bit off. Uh So according to this because when I did my application, this is, this is what I wrote, like uh I wrote some notes on my phone. So this is uh the steps after you. OK. After you submit your ei F verification, uh you go back to Epic Count my credentials and you submit your uh medical diploma. It's called a Final Medical Diploma. Um So it's the one that um you translated and uh legalize apostles um so fast that um so when you submit it, um there should be like a next section that says, where do you wanna send the report to? Um, because when you upload it, uh the, the, it's like it'll walk you through the steps. So when you upload it, there'll be a second box that will tell you where do you want to send the report to? In that case, you want to send it to the GMC? And then the fee for this part will be $100. Um So set up, the count is 130. This part is 100. Um this uh process takes about seven days to complete. Um So when you upload your diploma, um I uh will verify that the um form of your medical diploma, uh medical diploma matches your um you know, the format that your organ that your university provided to Epic. Um That's what they should have done. Uh Your university should have had a connection with Epic already and they should have provided Epic with like a template of what uh your medical diploma should look like and stuff. Uh Because in my case, the reason why my uh uh why my situation took a long time is because, yeah, I graduated from UNI and it is very new. They didn't recognize my degree's format. So I couldn't even get through this first part until like maybe um 34 weeks later. So it took, it took a month just for this part which, which should have took seven days and then once they did verify that my format was finally legit by, by my uni uh the second part would be when epi sends that uh send your degree, your diploma to your uni to, to verify with them personally as well. Uh And this part really depends on how fast your university um responds back to epic uh in some cases, uh uh in, in many cases, um from what I know, um all the Czech Unis, they respond very quick. I mean, even my university responded quite fast. But like I said, my one had a lot of issues because they didn't recognize the form, there wasn't any elected officials. Uh But if you're studying from Charles University, Mazri ploy, you know, any of the universities or faculties, um there should be an established connection already with Epic. So you wouldn't have this issue that I had and uh it should take you about seven days, it should be very quick. Um So once your uni verifies um the diploma with Epic essentially, um there are two options as well. So when you uh send, when you pay $100 here at the very, very end, um they gave you two options. You can even have it, you could either have it delivered by standard delivery or you can deliver it by express delivery because they deliver a pack of documents to your uni and then your uni would have to have someone an an elected official to fill out to sign a stamp with the official seal and everything and then they have to send that back to Epic. So it's all done by a postal um uh process. Um So you can have it standard or you can have it delivered by Express Express is obviously quicker, but you have to pay a fee. And from what I remember, I think the fee was something like $35. Um So it's totally up to you if you wanna, uh, uh have it, uh, sent quicker than pay the fee if not, uh standard delivery, I believe they said is about 4 to 7 weeks. Um, but yeah, express delivery, uh I think a lot of people do go for Express Delivery. That's why it takes about seven days because it's just quick. Uh if not, uh end up waiting quite a bit as well. Uh If you go with standard uh delivery. So, yeah, after Epic verifies your, um, um, your, your diploma, I think checks out. Um, I would automatically send this report to the GMC. So that's why it's important that you mark it down as GMC when you initially, you know, fill out the application. Otherwise it's gonna cause a lot of uh issues. I mean, it's not the end of the world. You can still contact Epic to change this and have it sent to GMC. But you might just be, uh, your, your, your application will just take longer. Uh Basically, um so once your report is automatically sent to um GMC, they will tell you, by the way, they will send you like a replication email, they'll, they'll keep you in the loop or um after that's all done, you go to the GMC website, the General Medical Council website in the UK. Uh you create an account and this is where you'll link your Epic ID. And uh this is the part where you'll submit all your support documents for me. I haven't even got to the stage yet because um like I said, my application is still in verification. It's still taking a long time because of this elected official uh issue that I had. Uh um but generally, this is what uh what should happen. And what I mean by submitting all supporting document is if you remember at the start of this present conversation, II spoke about the nonmembership. The letter was standing uh confirmation of study, the internship letter. Uh All of these documents you will have to submit to GMC. You, they will need it. Er If you do not submit um these documents, it could delay application and it could raise more questions from them. Uh Generally, it will just take longer. Uh And you should also uh know that from the date you sign up to GMC, your account is only active for up to three months. So if your application is not completed uh within the three month window, they will close your account. Um, it doesn't mean you cannot reapply again. You can't, you just have to set, set up a new account and, uh, do everything again, you know, shouldn't take a long time, but you just have to do that and if everything checks out, um, if everything is ok and everything is verified, um, the GM there is an annual retention fee for newly qualified doctors. So it's a fee that you pay to GMC to keep your license for newly qualified doctors. Uh in pounds is 100 and 74 lbs as of right now, could change next year. Not sure. Um But as of right now for newly qualified registered doctors is 174 lbs uh for existing doctors um with a license already, if you want to renew the license is 455 lbs. So this is the price. Um What else? Uh this doctor, will we actually have a question in the chat? Um If you want, I can read it to you. So. 00 yeah, sure. If you already have an ECF MG account because of doing AU M, do you still need to create a new account or can you use the account that you already made? All right. Ok. Um From, from what I know is I think you can still keep the account Epic doesn't close your account. Epic is uh just a verification process. So, uh you can actually verify with multiple organization. It doesn't have to be, be with the GMC. Um, so because you have already have one with USM LE, uh, that's totally fine. Um, um, I don't think they will close your account. Uh, that's what I think anyway, personally, I don't think they will close it. I didn't come across any information where, uh, they would close it. I mean, my application has been ongoing for the past. Um OK, we're in November already. My application has been ongoing for like the past three months and there was no issues uh um related to closing my car or on stuff. So I believe you can. But if you uh for, for the avoidance of doubt, if, if you want more revocation, you can just contact Epic. They're really responsive, they usually respond within like 2 to 3 working days. Um Well, II, don't think so. Um Definitely, II don't think that will close your account. Yeah. Um Yeah. OK. So once Epic, uh once all this is done and you paid uh your GMT fee, um the next step would be to book an ID check through the GMC uh portal. So it's also on the website and there should be like a section where you can uh book an ID check basically. Um So during COVID time, they only did it in London, uh I haven't really looked into this yet. Um But I II would assume that when you do get to this part, they would, uh, let you know, uh which centers are available, you know, to get your ID checked. So you normally you can either do it in Manchester or London. Um, and it only requires a passport. That's all you need to bring. And once I think checks out at this, uh, um ID check a appointment, uh, you will be granted a GMC license immediately after completing. So, um, yeah, that's essentially um the whole process of um applying uh you know, to get your GMC license in the UK. Um from when you graduate um to getting all the documents, then you have to go for Epic um for them to verify your degree and then Epic will send that report and uh that report, er, is very crucial because, you know, when, when, when Epic produces a report for you, you can use that report for uh from what I know you can use it for the rest of your life actually. Like, I don't think it has an expiry date. It's basically just to prove that your, your degree is uh legitimate and, and IC is recognized worldwide. Um You can actually use this to even apply to a place like, er, um yeah, like, er, us Australia, um you know, other medical bodies uh across the world. Um So as long as that, you have that report, it, it just proves that I think is fine. Uh You, you are a doctor who graduated from this university and they wouldn't, uh, need to do any further verification or checks once they have that report, um, you know, it gives them that, um, I, everything will be fine and, yeah, that's why you have to go through the whole epic and then the, the next part would be the GMC, which shouldn't take too long. Um, ok. Yeah. Um, I was just thinking that I was probably missing something from him, but, ok, so when I was filling up my GMC, uh there was a session that um asked, um, did you do any um courses online or remotely? Um I would assume maybe some of you guys are in your fourth year or fifth year. And if so you would have studied through during the uh pandemic, you know, uh during the COVID uh uh phase. Uh and a lot of us, then we did do a lot of online courses and stuff. Um So for me personally, I did have a lot of courses online. Uh not everything and it was, it's really like 5050 and I heard that it is important that you do declare this because uh if you don't, they would ask you, um uh they, they will ask you why because, you know COVID happened around uh early 2020 it went on until like 2021 to 2022. E like online courses, you know, remote learning. Um So I do think you should declare this. And the annoying part of this application was that the box only had a character limit of 500 characters, uh not words but characters. So you could barely even fit um like a whole paragraph, you know, like II had a whole list. And essentially what I did was I abbreviated a lot of my um uh courses like the course code, for example, internal medicine II put down as it meant I nt and med and for the dates II basically just put that all into one period. And then I put like one date, you know, between this period and if there was some um courses where it was like um 5050 because in some courses you did it online, right? And then some of them, you probably did your practical in the hospital. So it's kind of like 5050. Um you could put II think I put mix, I put mix in brackets, I just put mix, but you have to really play around with that section because depending um how many remote courses or, or online courses you had during that time, um just try and be as accurate as possible because if you don't declare this, it will raise maybe doubt for them and they would ask for this information. And um it's better to declare it initially, otherwise they might ask for confirmation from your uni and um they might have to produce a letter to, to, to say, oh you did this course online and it, it could take longer. Um when I made my application to GMC at that time, um they did accept it. I did so what I did was acceptable uh at that time. Um So yeah, that's how I did it. I II abbreviated a lot of my uh courses and for epidemic, for example, I put epidemy, you know, I did put whole whole word. Um So, so that's that part for GMC. And th that part will be the initial part when you create your account. Um Yeah, so if you don't, if you don't go through that part, you wouldn't be able to create your account anyway. So you will have to go through that section anyway. Um Yeah, that's the part. And I think, yeah, I think that is all with the GMC, er application. I mean, if you guys have any questions, er, do feel free to drop it in the chat, um I will try and answer as much as I can. Um And um and what I know, but essentially this is all um that I've done to this point um with Epic uh GMC. And yeah, the last part here is should, should be, should be easy. I heard it shouldn't take too long. So it's just a verification part that takes a long time. OK. Uh I'm so OK. That's fine. All right. Uh The next part of my presentation. I'm just gonna talk about. Um, so after you got your GMC license, what, what job can you actually do in the UK? Um, you know, um, and a lot of people do ask me like, oh, what are you gonna apply for what you want to get into? I mean, there, there is quite a lot of options available and the, the, the, the ones that I'm gonna really stress more about is probably the foundation training program because this is the more common and more popular one that a lot of people want to get into. And I will talk about each of these individually in a sec. Um There's also trust grade positions. Um There are local positions. Again, I will talk about all this um in a few moments. Um Special speciality training applications. Uh Essentially um how it's structured in the UK because there are so it's a bit different. I would say it's a bit different compared to other EU countries. Um because um in the UK, you have to do what we call foundation training first and then depending where you wanna get into, you have to do core training and after core training, you get into speciality. So it, it's kind of like a three part process. Uh depending, like I said, depending which specialty you wanna get into. Um there's also a medical support worker. So this can be great for people who just graduated and who want to transition to the UK and get a taste of what the uh NHS is like. So in the UK, our health system is run under the National Health Service. So it's a public health service provided to all citizens in the UK. And this is essentially, this is what we call it uh in the UK, it's called the N HSA National Health Service. Um um Yeah, medical support worker is a, is a very good opportunity to um see what NHS is like, like working in, within the NHS, the structure. Um the, the, the training pathways and, and, and stuff like that. And the last program, um it's called the gateway EU program. So this is actually a unique program and there's a unique opportunities for UK citizens and for those also who can work in the UK. So um I'm not gonna talk too much about like um what you would need to work in the UK because I would assume like if you're not from the UK, you would need some sort of working visa. You have to apply for that with the UK government. And um that, that in itself is probably a long process in itself which um II don't, I haven't, I cos I'm from the UK, I haven't gone through this process, but you have to apply for a working visa. And if you are allowed to work in the UK and you complete your medical medical degree within the last 12 months, you can also apply to the gateway EU program that's, that can also apply to you as well. But if you're not a UK citizen and you don't have the right to work in the UK, then unfortunately, you kind of go for this program. But it, it's quite, it's quite a nice program. Um It's very structured. Uh It mirrors the uh foundation training program. So the foundation training program essentially has two years. We call it Fy one and Fy two in the UK. Um So the GE E basically mirrors this program and it gives you all the um support training and stuff. Basically, you'll be doing stuff that you would normally do as Fy one or two anyway. And it's a very good opportunity, like I said, because it's uh cos it helps you transition from, uh you know, being away from the UK for so long into the NHS and then uh been integrated within the NHS structure. So, and they really look after you. There's a lot of support, there's a lot of um you know, uh they give you advice and there's many things. Um it's a whole program itself is two years as well. Um um This was something that I II was probably considering, but depending when, when I'll get registered, uh I'm not sure when um I would assess my options, but ideally I would try um for this one first and if not, I would probably go for first grade uh I wouldn't really advise law. Um If you, um uh if you remember what I said earlier about the um criminal records check, you know, from the check post, uh You would need it for local positions because they would require you, they will require that document. If I can do local, local essentially means that you're just working as a doctor, but you're not in any structured training pathway, you're just working um you know, there and, and you're just earning like some money on the side, on some experience, but you, you, you're not integrated in any training pathway at all. OK. So I'm just gonna talk about the foundation training program. Um So basically, um it's a structured learning program. Um It's very comprehensive. Um It's also supervised practice. So there's always um you always, you are, you are the trainee and you are under the supervision of like a consultant or, or doctor and you're basically um involved in like a learning environment. So you, you're never really by, by yourself. Um There is support, there is mentorship, mentorship available. Um There is a clear career pathway uh through the foundation um training program and there, there is definitely progression. Um There is also like professional development, you know, like developing essential skills. Um um Yeah, basically, there's a lot of recognition within the foundation training pro uh program and I do recommend that um it's good to get into because it would help uh a lot when you wanna start doing your core training, which I'll talk about later on specialization training. Um So, yeah, this is foundation training. So, like I told you from the beginning, if you remember the foundation training program has changed a bit this year in 2024. Um in the past, if you studied a six year degree, um let's say uh Czech Republic, OK, like a lot of you guys are from Czech Republic, II would assume you can apply for the standard Fy one and two training uh program. But now it's not possible anymore. It's a bit more longer. Uh You can apply for a standalone fy two position. Uh This is what they now call it. Um So it's for those who basically completed an internship somewhere else. So because a lot of our uh a lot of you guys, II would assume your degree is six years, right? So the s the, the final year, the six year is more considered like an internship year. That's what the UK, that's how the UK see it. Um Your final year is an internship. Yeah. And because of this, you sh you, you, they only offer you to apply to a standalone Fy two and you have to also hold full GMC registration. So after you complete the whole PMC steps that I uh went through, um you can play for standard on that way two um applications open around early January and closes in the same month at the end of January. So this is just something to keep in mind if you wanna go through this route. Personally, I wouldn't, um, I don't like this idea of just jumping straight into Fy Two, straight from graduating, you know, uh, from medical school in Czech Republic. Uh, in my opinion, it doesn't really make sense because you, uh, you don't have the experience in N NHS. You don't know how it's like, you don't know what the structure is like. Um When you're in Fy two, they, they would assume that you would know uh how to take on responsibilities and, you know, that, that, that's, that's a list of things that they would assume that you would know how to do. Uh I'll be honest, like I graduated recently and I would prefer to start from F I one because simply because I just wanna get, um, you know, uh familiarize myself within the NHS, get into the system and just learn the process again. Uh Because being a student is one thing and then actually being a doctor and practicing medicine is another whole, is, is another world. Um, personally, for me anyway, I don't feel comfortable doing Fy Two. It just doesn't make sense to me. Um And I obviously, I don't want to be on liability to patients as well, you know. Um So, II it's probably, it's probably possible if you're really on top of your game and, but it, it was a lot of work. Um So this is why I would probably recommend a standard two year UK foundation program. It does still exist, but like I told you, the structure changed and it's a bit longer this year. Um So it's a two part process basically. Um So the before you actually submit your main application for a uh foundation program in the UK, uh you have to get, you have to go through like an what they called it an eligibility application. It's a preapplication process. Uh usually uh from year to year, it will open in July. Actually, it only really started, I think from this year. Anyway, um it opened in July for about three weeks. So this year for what I remember it opened, I think on the ninth of July and it closed on the mm it close on the 25th of July. Generally, it will close on the 23rd. So we open on the ninth of July and close on the 23rd around this time frame. But the reason why it closed on the 25th of July this year is because they have some sort of downtime on the website. So they're spending it for another two days. So they don't open for a long time. So this is the time where you submit an application to see if you are eligible to apply for a uh foundation training program. And if everything checks out and they say, and they, and, um, you know, they'll look at your, your degree and I'm not, I'm not too sure what they look at to be honest because, um, I actually missed this deadline. I couldn't apply for it, uh, because I'm still in the process of getting my GMC. Um, but I would assume they will assess your degree and all the other doctors that you have, uh, to see if you're eligible to apply for this program. And ee everything checks out, that's when you can submit your main application uh to the UK FP, which is the UK Foundation training program. Um This uh pro uh this application window opens in September. Um So this is when it starts and if you actually er visit the GMC, uh sorry, the UK FP website, which the link is also at the end of this presentation, um It's very organized, they will tell you all the key dates, you know, from like September, October, November, December all the way until like, uh when you should uh start your foundation training and uh it, it just to give you an idea of what to expect. Um So it opens in September and it's quite a long process and if everything checks out and everything is successful, you'll be working as a foundation um foundation training doctor in the following year in around August and September. Uh this for this application cycle. I think a lot of the doctors started in will, will start in October uh in August, sorry. Uh next year. So a lot of them are still in the process of going through here. Um But in the meantime, um by all means you can apply for other positions that I mentioned, you know, just to keep busy, like for example, medical support work is good. Um These, I'll talk about in a sec. Um These are a bit specific. Uh You can go for local, like I said, if you wanna earn some extra money, but like I said, you're not in any structure training pathway. Uh So, yeah, this is the foundation training program. Um II added like a note here. So if you are in this program and you have like an interest in research, teaching or leadership, you can opt in for an academic foundation program, it's called A FP. So this is an option too um for those who are interested in research, teaching and leadership and, you know, like um giving lectures and stuff like that. Um It's a good way uh to combine clinical training with research and um and to get involved in like many projects. So if that's something you're into, then a FP is something that you might wanna consider. Uh OK. Uh I'm probably not gonna refill all this but it's all here. Uh Do I need to complete an eligibility application the for a lot of us if you are studying or at, or have qual from a non UK medical school then. Yeah, we have to because a lot of us would have been studying in Czech Republic and stuff. So you have to and all these are those other requirements that I would assume wouldn't apply to M you unless you are studying at the university. Um, like Queen Malta, you know, um, and you wouldn't have to go through this process if you are a medical student, if you graduated in UK uh by the fifth of August, uh or after the sixth of August 2020. So if you expect to graduate by this date or if you graduated or after this date of August 23 you would not have to go through this uh eligibility process. Um OK, so the other position that I mentioned was trust grade. So trust grade is also nontraining position. They can vary from specialty and level depending on what you wanna get into. It can be beginner level to more expert level. Uh It's totally um depends where you want to apply. Uh It's ideal for gaining practical experience. Uh Good for learning how the NHS structure is the training pathways and all that sort. Um good for building your portfolio in general. Um This is probably something that I would try and apply to right now if I can't get into foundation for now. Uh just because I want to build my portfolio uh and gain experience. Um So for sure. This, it's either first grade or gateway eu uh for me at the moment. So I'm more leaning towards first grade right now. And, yeah, like I said, it's a stepping stone to applying for formal training later. Uh, depending on what you wanna specialize in. Um, in the UK, we can call it some other names that you might come across. It can be called Junior Clinical Fellow or sho which is senior health officer. It's basically the same thing first grade. Uh it's equivalent to fy one and two anyway, but like I told you, it can er vary depending what level and specialty you get up to. It can call, it can even be like core training two, which is the next part uh which I will talk about in a sec. Uh Yeah, like local position is temporary flexible work in various specialities. Um As I mentioned, it can raise range from days to months, a good way to gain some exposure and earn some money. But yeah, the main point here is that it lacks structure uh in training uh compared to like foundation training programs. Um and you would need your police record check for local roles. Um That's why I said uh you should go to the post office to get that. Um I only mentioned to get it because I, because you need to go to the post office, post office anyway, to make copies of your medical diploma supplement. If you don't make copies of your medical diploma supplement and you take your actual diploma on supplement to get it legalized. And Apostle, they're gonna stamp a lot. They're gonna like on my document on my copy. Um Not my original but my copy I had, I think something like uh free stamps or something and they're quite big. There's like stickers. The Postle is like a big sticker with the details that they fill out. Um So, yeah, I wouldn't advise you is your original because maybe you wanna frame your original in your house or, or whatever. So I wouldn't advise that it will just look ugly when they start stamping uh all around your Yeah. Um Specialty training. OK. So after you gain some experience in like first grade positions, uh local roles or, or, or stuff like that, uh or when you complete your uh foundation training, even you can start applying for core training. So this is the next part of um you know, the, the next step up the ladder basically. Uh typically uh core training is two years. Um It us most of the time it is two years. Um And then when you wanna get into specialty training, uh it can be anywhere between one years to eight years uh which I'll talk a bit more. Yeah, in the next slide. Um So essentially you wanna do your training first F I one and two, your foundation training and get into core training. Um So core training is typically for people who wanna get into a surgical or other medical specialities. Um Once you complete your specialty training, you will obtain a certificate of completion of training. We call it A CCT in the UK. Um This essentially allows you to become a consultant in the specialty that you chose. Um Well, to get to this point, it is quite competitive and uh you will need like a strong portfolio and uh reference, you know, to depending like the, depending on which specialty training you want to get into. Um There is a link at the end of the plan where there is a comparison table of the ratio of each speciality. Um uh Basically, it's just telling you how much applications they are, how many positions they are and the ratio of how many people got accepted between. Um So it can be very competitive. For example, neurology II heard is very competitive if that's something any of you guys want to get into. Um So an example can be uh core surgical training. Um You can um so if you do uh CST for one years, CST one and then CST two. So that's two years because like I said, core training is two years. Once you complete your course of training, you can actually jump straight to ST three, you wouldn't have to start from ST one, you can start applying to ST three and, and, and then work your way up to like ST eight, even depending on what specialty you wanna get into. Um, for me, I have an interest in, uh, orthopedics. So my training pathway will look something like, um, first grade, then I'll get into like, uh, core training. Or if I can, uh, I'll do my, uh, my foundation training first. If possible, if not, I'll do choice grade and then I'll move on to core training for two years. And after I finish my core training for two years, I'll jump onto my specialty training, er, for orthopedics, which, er, ranges from ST three to ST eight. So it's about five years on top. Um, so, so that's only for orthopedics for other specialties. It varies. Um, it's, it's very different. Um, and the reason why you can't jump from, er, CT one, and two CST one and two. Sorry to ST three is because during your course, surgical training it covers most of the ST one and two anyway. And the UK recognizes this. So you don't have to start from the beginning. And, um, that's why you can actually start from ST three. Um, but for, for those that wanna do internal medicine training in the UK, we call it I NT. Um, so after you do it, it basically follows the fy one and two. So after your foundation training, one and two, um, you can opt to go for internal medicine training, which is normally a three year program. Um So this one more focuses on internal medicine, like as you can tell in the name, but it also focus with additional focus on AQ care uh medicine as well. Uh It's for stuff like um if you wanna specialize eventually in that cardiology, gastroenterology, endocrinology, infectious diseases, hematology, um and, and so on. So stuff like this. Um If any of you guys have interest in any of these uh specialties, this is what you should uh look to consider. If you're more of like getting into surgical and all that other stuff, then you wanna look into core training two years and three years um in the UK previously, um we called it CMT. Um Not sure if you guys were like, if you, if you Google around, you'll probably come across CMT. Uh This is the old version of the I MT. Uh Basically it used to be called core medical training, but it was replaced in 2019 by the GMC and now I MT is the more direct route and specialization pathway to all internal medicine specialty. So it's just one pathway now and it's more direct. So it's I MT um So depending on which one you guys wanna get into. Um Yeah. Um OK. Yeah, this is what I mentioned before. Um I wanna like orthopedics is probably something I want to get into eventually. Um I would have to go through o of course, I have to go through my foundation training first at, uh, for two years or first grade, two years. And then I'll have to go through my core training, uh, for two years. And then I applied directly to S D3, uh, specialties. Like I said, like intern medicine and all these, uh, specialties, uh, you would have to start from ST one. Actually, you cannot jump to ST three, like, or surgical, you know, like orthopedics, er, simply because, er, prior to the core training phase of my surgery, ST one year is designed to introduce um um these specialities into um speci specific training. Er, so it introduce you, introduces you into this, um, training directly. It does something that's not really covered in internal medicine, but in surgical um training pathways, it's er, they cover most of the ST one and two stuff in, in, in this pathway but not in the internal medicine. So this is the reason why for internal medicine ones, you have to start from the beginning and work your way up uh specialty ladder. And oh, ok. So as I mentioned, um, ST the, the training pot all varies and we also have something called run through training positions. Um, so this is specialty training. Um, so orthopedics is not a run through the reason why is because once you complete your core training, you have to finish up there and make a separate application to your specialty training. So it, it takes a bit of time and there's a gap in between because you, you wouldn't always get your specialty training straight away. The process could be quite long. I haven't been through it and I don't know too much about this but I know there, there could be gaps in between and, you know, there could be a lot of, uh, it's not really clear, you know, the pathway, um, but for run through training positions, um, it's basically where you apply for the position at the start of the program and subject to you completing the specialty, you can er er, I mean subject to you uh doing quite well, er at the initial phases, you can actually continue to the full duration of the program without the need to uh finish off, for example, in like core training and then make a another uh application to uh ST one or, or sorry, ST three and so on. Um So for example, you can complete your foundation training and then after you complete your foundation training, you can uh apply for GP already. So you can start from ST one and then for three years, um you can be qualified. Um So it's three years but like I said, this is just a general guide. You shouldn't take my information as concrete information and rely on this. This is just uh general information it's brought, uh it could vary, it could change. Um This is what I think is common as of right now, but it could be different for later years. So, everything I've set up to this point, just take it, you know, like as brief information as just a general idea. Uh, so general practice is ST 1 to 3, general surgery is eight years. So it goes from ST 1 to 8, uh, pediatrics again, eight years, obstetric gynecology, seven years, psychology, six. So you, you get a point, right? Like, um, you start from the first year of specialty and it runs all the way through to the end and you don't have, there's no breaks in between and after completing your training, you'll get the CCT as I mentioned before. Um Yeah, so these are basically just the benefits of one through training pathways. Uh uh It's a continuous progression. You enter ST one and you progress through the whole specialty training without no breaks in between. You know, you don't have to go through like a core training break and then ST three and so on, er, offers more stability. It's clear, predict career pathway, like I said, no gaps in between. Uh and it does increase job security. Uh But um yeah, ok. And uh this is, yeah, the medical support work is what I briefly mentioned before um is for those who are transitioning to the UK. Um Just want a general um idea of what the NHS is like and how the system operates. Basically. Um It is II do think it's quite good to help bridge gap between, uh, you know, entering a full time clinical position. Um, it's just to give you a general idea and to give you more confidence, er, to becoming the best doctor you can be, you know, when you enter whatever position you choose to, er, get into. Um, ok, so the last part of my presentation I'm just gonna run through, um, um, um, like what you, what I think you should do to find what speciality uh really fits you and just some tips, um, you know, some final TIPSS from me. Um Yeah, definitely you should always be doing your own research anyway, regardless of what, what, what people tell you, you should always be uh on the background, doing your own research, like review information from main medical specialty, use whatever resources you have available to you. So in the UK, we have a lot of resources on the GMC. They are really good at giving out information. Um There is a lot like P DFS and stuff you can download on their website. Health education in England is also very good as well. Um, and Royal Colleges. Um, they have a lot of um, departments, you know, like surgery and other stuff. Uh They have a lot of compre comprehensive guides. So again, uh I do recommend checking them out as well. These are the three that I do recommend you checking out because um depending, like I said, depending what you want to specialize in. You can uh see how the pathway is like uh what the job role is like, why, what the whole job entails basically. Um um Yeah, it's essential that you always do your own research. Uh Because medicine is always evolving. Medicine is always changing processes and structures is always changing. So you should always uh check. Um There is a lot of career spaces in it um hosted by the NHS um in the UK. Um They always advertise on the website. So if ever you are, you, you, you're interested, you can actually attend one of these uh free of charge. Um So it's a good way to get a um a glimpse of what, what it could be like. Yeah, on conferences and workshops. Um they can provide hands on experience and focused talks, especially the conferences and it just more, you know, more in detail. And um yeah, I haven't looked too much into this uh personally, but um depending on what special you wanna get into, you can always look on the NHS website and they always, or GM or yeah, NHS website or here and they always advertise, you know, events and if they do have an event going on, it should be, should be all there. OK. Uh Yeah, shadowing is good too. So if you um if you can't find a, a job straight away after you graduate, uh you can always contact like your uh local GP in your home country uh before making that transition, uh contact your local GP or your hospital and ask if you can just shadow, shadow them for a few days during the week. Uh if it's not a huge problem, um and where you can get uh whatever uh shadowing or um practical exposure or any sort of clinical attachment you can obtain throughout this transitional period, it would 100% help, er, or age application, er, to the UK to uh find a job. No, no matter where you wanna, you, what, what you wanna get into every little bit helps. Um, so, yeah, I do advise uh that if you're not doing anything else between the, you know, the transitioning phase. Um, and one of the most important parts also is to consider is you have to evaluate how different specialities fit with your lifestyle. Um, it's important because I know uh this will probably not concern a lot of you guys right now, but probably only when you graduate and when you actually start looking for a speciality and basically just w what you wanna do in life, like, uh what kind of work life balance do you want? Uh, surgical, uh, speciality often are longer, uh, because you, you, you're, you're in surgery and it can be for hours on end and um, they are on call shift, you can work at night shift, so you'll be away from home for a long time. Uh while general practice, uh uh offers more regular working hours. Uh So it's more flexible. Uh So it offers a more work life balance. Uh So all in all it really depends on what you, uh what specialty you want and how it fits in with your lifestyle too. And um, yeah, yeah, what, what I said at the beginning, you know, understand research, design specialty is always important to do your own research, Like I said, um, yeah, there are, there's many people who have different opinions of different things but everyone is different, everyone's different on an individual basis. Uh, I always tell people you just gotta really, uh, look, look around, you know, II can be telling you how one thing is but you, you know, that person wouldn't really truly understand, er, because it's only just really coming from me but they have to really, um, you know, get that experience and see how it really is to really understand, uh, what they're getting into. Uh, and some of it also considers like future prospects, like the, the demand for the specialty. Um, like, uh, how would it, um, like how would it cope, you know, in xx number of years time, you know, like a number of years time. Um, probably not like a huge thing. But yeah, it's just something to consider. Maybe I'm not sure, but I'll just put it in there. Um, and if you wanna decide what fits you more I would always say something along the lines of, um, when you're in medical school, er, or if you were in any past roles or if you did any voluntary work somewhere abroad or if you, you know, uh, what, uh, what did you like most, basically, what, which part of that resonated most with you? Er, was it the surgical part? Was it the internal medicine part? You know? Um, it's good to reflect on these experiences. Uh, it's because it will give you like a general idea of, uh, where your, what you're good at and what you enjoy. Er, you could also ask your professors or colleagues or whatever, uh, what, um, you know, they might uh have oversaw your training for quite a long time so they'll know where your, your strengths are, where your weaknesses are. Um, it's always good to have these sort of conversations anyway. I mean, it's harmless conversations. So, you know, why not? And before, um, you do leave medical school, um, if you have, if you did take part in any research project, um, you know, any extracurricular activities or whatever, uh, do try to obtain a letter of recommendation from your teachers or professors. Um, definitely this will look very good on your CV, when you're building your CV, because when you apply for jobs in the UK, you will need to make a CV. Uh, it's basically a, uh, it's called curriculum V. You know, it's like a you know, form. Um I believe someone uh I believe my my colleague from the same university as I mean, she gave like a whole workshop on this uh you know, how to enhance your CV. Uh So definitely she'll check that out. Uh She gave a lot of good tips. Um So yeah, letter of recommendation is very useful. So if you can obtain even just one, it will still uh look, look amazing. Uh Yeah. And also if you have any like research uh projects that you did work on, like you have like a publication and stuff that would 100% help you with obtaining your uh future speciality roles and stuff because um I haven't looked too much into this. So like I said, don't take my word for it, but in the past, they didn't uh take points for this. So if you have like a recent publication under your name and any, any of that sort, uh it adds, you know, extra points to your application sort of thing. Um Yeah. So essentially you just wanna try and build a new CV. So all the experience you have accumulated over the years, uh Just try and highlight that as much as possible. Uh be it clinical attachment, observing roles, um Anything that you completed in the UK or EU anywhere it will look good. So, and we are near the end and this is um just all the links that I have mentioned in this presentation that I think will be useful. So this is the competition ratio of each speciality. Uh how many positions and applications there are per year and how many people got accepted? And it's very good. This link is very good because it has from like I remember it has like from like 2015 or maybe even before all the way until like this year. So you can see how uh competitive uh e speciality are from year to year and, you know, you can decide and the ones I highlighted here are the, probably the, the three most, uh, used ones and the three most ones that I would focus on, um, simply because, um, this, this website would, uh, essentially give you all the, er, positions available in England and Wales. Um, I know the UK also has like Scotland as well but Scotland has their own website but unless you want to specialize in Scotland, um, yeah, they have their own totally, they have their own, uh, website for that, er, UK foundation program. So all the stuff that I mentioned about the UK FP, um, the eligibility application and all that other stuff. It's all on this website. Uh, everything's on there even. So I will always try to stay updated with this, with the NHS website and, you know, uh, that's only if you wanna, like, work in the UK, it's always good to stay up to date cos, like I said, medicine is always changing. Structures, always changing information is always changing. Um These are very good for like low controls. Um Probably not something I would recommend. Uh But like I said, uh if this is something you wanna do by all means, uh look into it, uh check, check out the website. Um Yeah. Um it's just that local roles are just not in part of any structured training pathway. So, um and if you're doing local, they will probably expect that you have some sort of experience. And, uh um, yeah, I haven't done it before and uh II don't think I know anyone who's got into that straight away after they graduated. Uh, but I would assume it, it, it's tough, it's hard, I think. And uh these websites are not really more uh geared towards medical stuff. Uh This is just general um job websites in the UK. Um, so, um you can also look at these websites. Um, there are always job openings as well on these websites. Um, but probably not as much as these because these are more focused on medical professionals and healthcare jobs. These are more for generally for everything in the UK, like administrator jobs, finance, uh you know, healthcare, er, and stuff like that. So, these, these are general uh local and these are the ones that you should like. Uh I do recommend to keep tsum if you wanna make that transition. So, and that's all I'm not sure how many of you guys are still here? But yeah, thank you for listening. I hope this session has been useful. Um If you do have any uh questions, do feel free to ask me. Um I'm happy to answer anything you guys. Yeah. Yeah, there is a question in the chat. Um Could you also give some information about P LA B or UK MLA requirements for foreign students? Ok. Um As of, as of right now, according to the GMC website, um if you're a uh eu graduate from like, let's say they check uni uh check uh if you're like a eu graduate or from like an E ea country as well. E ea graduate, you don't as of right now, you don't have to sit any test. You don't have to do the club. You don't have to do UK MLA. But if you're like an A MG like an international medical graduate from, let's say you graduated from, let's say like Pakistan, India or, you know, or, or China even, you know, these, these type of countries. Um I, you have, you have to do the club, you have to do like, I don't know too much about this. II didn't really look into it but uh I, I'm, I'm pretty certain you will have to do it. It, it's one of the requirements and even for the UK FP, the foundation training uh program, um you um they, they do um ask for this as well. If you're an I MG, if you're like, um, not someone who graduated from a medical uh uni in, like, let's say Czech Republic. But if you graduate from an Eu uni and you wanna come to the UK, generally, you don't have to do the, the club on UK MLA uh as of right now. Anyway. So this is just current information on the GMC website. But like I said, they, they did mention that they are still assessing the situation on a year to year basis and it could very well change by the end of 2024. Um But as of right now, II wouldn't have to do it right now. So, um I'm, that's not something I'm looking into. The only thing II I'm doing. Uh uh I'm gonna do is probably the I Ielts the English test. And um that's, that's, that's pretty much it. Ok. There's no question, how would you go about securing a trust free job? Um So for me, um the, they're always like the um there will be openings on um this link that I mentioned uh that, that they, the NHS do post um like uh positions from time to time on this website. Um And it's just a matter of when you get your TMC license, it literally just a matter of just applying uh when it's available, sort of thing. There's not always one available, but there should always be, but there should always be something, uh, something there, uh, you know, throughout, throughout the month. Um, so you just make your application. So just to give like a general time frame, one of my friends, uh, she, she finished, um, um, um, at UNI, er, at Charles Uni around, I think, like June or July, I think June and, uh, she didn't start working as a, um, choice grade doctor, I think probably some time in like November or December. So, you know, it, it, it could be, uh, it could take a while, it could be quick. Um, um, yeah, but it's all about just hunting for jobs online basically. Um, or if you know anyone, uh, in your local hospital definitely speak to them. They may, they may know a contact, uh, and so on. Um, so, yeah, my, my, my current, um, what I'm gonna probably do is I will try and get into a first grade. So my, how I'll get, I'll get into it is probably to try and look for one online or something. I'm not too sure or just email around, you know, different hospitals, um, around where I live and if that's not possible, then I'll probably maybe consider the GE E program. But that's, that's probably how I'll go about it. Yeah, we have another one. even if the UK MLA or PLB is not required, does the examine improve your chances of not of being accepted in a program? Um, in my opinion. II don't think it plays a huge role because it's not a requirement from the GMC and because it's not a requirement, they probably will just disregard it. Um, it, it, it's, it's, it's, it's only really needed for other graduates because, you know, when you don't study a part of, um, a recognized program, according to the GMC, you know, like the E EU or E EA countries, uh, they would assume that you, your, your knowledge is probably a bit lapsed in some areas and it's the reason probably why you have to do this is, um, I think, um, yeah, II don't have too much information on this but, um, for what, for what I think, I don't think so. I don't think it would play, um, uh, a huge role because, uh, like I said, the application process is assessed on an individual basis and it could really range from, uh, your experiences as well. Your CV. Definitely. Um, I think that do, that does play a huge role. Um, so the exam, even if it does, II don't think there's a huge emphasis on the application. It shouldn't, er, be something that stands out that you have done this and you should be accepted to this regardless of what CVR. But I do think the CV and what, uh, what experience you have plays a bigger role, um, that's what I think. Ok, when do you, when do you recommend doing the, to be honest, uh, um, you can do that as soon as possible. Uh, a lot of people, um, they did that, um, a lot of people did it during, um, the final year. So, for example, if so, uh, for example, if you're looking to graduate, let's say, let's say we're in like January right now, or you're looking to graduate in June, you can let you do it in June, uh, January because the, uh, Ielts is a, uh, is valid for up to two years. So, uh within this time, you can, uh, you know, you, you would have been fully applied to the GMC already within this time frame and probably find a job. Um So you can do it whenever, uh, but I do recommend to do it as soon as possible because, um, if you're gonna sit at Ielts in Eu in Prague, there's not, I think in Prague there's a few test centers available. There's not many. Um, but of course, you have to also study for it, right. And in between and then book a test it. Uh But if you try to book a date in, let's say you wanna do it in like Manchester or London in the UK, there's many dates available. There's, you can't even book one probably in like one or two weeks from now even. Um, but I just know uh in certain countries. Um Yeah, it, it's, it's kind of a bit limited with how many dates are available, for example, Cyprus and Greece. If anyone is from Cyprus or Greece, um, uh, Ielts states are quite limited. There's, there's probably only like a handful of dates available during a month or maybe that's not even available during one month and you have to wait like, one more month. Um, so, yeah, if you can do it as soon as possible, uh, do it, if, if I, if you can manage, if your exams are not too heavy on you and you can manage, you know, the ielts on the side then just do a bit, you know, each week and then hopefully by the end of it you can, you'll be confident enough enough to, you know, do the test. Um, you can, you can do the test after you graduate for sure. Uh, but the process might, uh, you know, it might take a bit longer because if you just die when you just graduate, you'll probably have to study for a month for it maybe. And then, yeah, do that then. Yup. There seems any more questions. Yeah. No, no worries. Ok. Do you have any more questions you wanna know about the process? Yeah, there is one, at the end I think if you can see it. Yeah. Interesting. Yes. Uh, yeah, generally. Um, yes. Um, like I said, uh, it's typically three years ii say typically because it could be a bit longer depending on certain situations. But usually you, uh, I MT does follow the foundation training uh pathway. So you have to do your fy one and two first and then do the I MT for three years. And then once you complete your I MT for three years, you can start doing ST one and then, yeah, and then run through the whole speciality, depending which, you know, which pathway you want to get into. Yeah. Sure. I mean, I'm happy to share the presentation if it, if it will help anyone. Yeah, for sure. Uh But II wouldn't, uh yeah, I'll, I'll speak to Kate and then I'll see how, how best to share this and. Mhm Yeah, we will also, this is being recorded as well so we can share it on youtube and then share the presentation itself if you guys wanna refer back to it. Yeah. Yeah. But uh like I said, uh everyone, um this is only current information now. So, um yeah, it's, it's, it's worth noting that information could change next year. Uh But just take this all as a general guide of how uh the application should be, you know, the stats required. And um yeah, well, all in all I do think most of it should be the same, but like I said, um that's, that's how it is. But now anyway, OK, guys, if there is no more uh questions, there is a feedback form. If you would like to have an attendance certificate, it is um if you scroll a bit up in the chart, you can provide feedback and then you will get a certificate and thank you all for attending and I will hope to see you guys in our next event. And also thank you to doctor will from my side and also from the whole UI S team for such an informative webinar. Thank you so so much for making this happen. Yeah. And we will also provide you, we provide you with a certificate as well. And thank you again. Yeah, thank you so much, so much everyone for tuning in. Um I do wish you all the best of luck with your studies or upcoming exams because I I'm sure some of you guys are probably your final year and it's gonna be a hectic year, but I do hope you found it very useful. Um Again, thank you very much Kate and thank you to the whole UI MS team and the, you know, media team for, you know, having me on here and making the post and, and doing everything. So I appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you, doctor. Well, again, no problem. Thank you. Take care everyone. Um Yeah, all the best. Bye guys.