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Ok, great. We've got quite a few, 23456. Ok, great. Fantastic. So, um, yeah, I don't know if people want to just introduce themselves for a couple more minutes. Um, just before people come in. Um, I'll start with me. Hi, I'm Joe. Uh, I'm presenting tonight. I'm a, er, academic clinical lecturer, basically Mary University of London. I've, uh, also a pediatric registrar based in London. Uh, but I've been working in Zimbabwe for about the past eight years off and on. Uh, and I did a working class fellowship there. So I just thought it might be nice to share some tips that I've sort of come across while I've been doing sort of abstracts and things and really kind of just to open this up so that everyone can have a bit of a chat and see about pitching ideas and abstracts, which I think are quite similar, especially, um, at all stages and for thinking about things like conferences. So that was my logic behind doing that. Um, I can see also there's a message in the chat. Welcome everybody. Please introduce yourself in the chat. Yes, thanks, Becky. Um, so I am having still learning medal. So, apologies guys, I also put this on jointly on Zoom. So um I don't know if you guys can see me on Zoom as well. I'm also there on Zoom. I can sort of wave and that kind of thing. I don't know if you guys can also see me just put in the chat, but you can hear me as well. That'd be great. And I'm doing a kind of hybrid because Med is where we're hosting and where everyone gets their tenant certificate. But I do know that some people struggle with medal in other countries. So I was trying to run two at the same time. So we have four on Zoom and we have about 15 or so on and maybe I'm talking that up, er, but a good 10 yeah, about 12 or so on Medal at the moment. So, um if you guys can hear me? Ok. Um Is that good? Does anyone want to introduce themselves on um on the chat greater? Great. Thanks, Rebecca Rhodes, uh pediatric based in the UK. Great. And maybe if you can just give a line about um your sort of research background. So if you're completely new or um if you have any abstracts, you wanna share tonight, um that would be great. Uh by all means, put them in the chat. Um And if anyone has any particular questions or anything about research ideas and pictures, please, please feel free to, to shout and, and drop that in as well. Um I think I can invite people to the Yeah, please please invite people, invite everyone to the stage and then we can Yeah, cool. I mean, I don't know guys. If that's too much for you, please don't feel you have to. But um oh we've got another message. Um I otherwise the other way we could do it is if people refer, please, please do make it interactive, please. Um sort of message in the chat. Um And yeah, people so sorry, Gemma just so I know if someone's a participant, can they still speak or like um so I think of going back to the stage that means I can speak. Oh, sorry a bit more. Yeah. Right. But you can message so I know everyone else can message and I'm just going back to uh yeah. Can people hear me here? Can everyone hear me on Zoom? Yeah. The other final thing is about recording wise. So do we do recording through metal? And how do I, how do I do any button at the top? Which record? But it just the way it's set up that looks a bit different. Um Oh, now that's the shots, lots of chats, uh suggestions, people, but it doesn't seem to be working and start present now. Mm uh 00, little. How much research experience do you have? Yes, that would be helpful. Uh I am I, I'm gonna do that in the middle. I've done my phd. There we go. Perfect. So, uh, it's really good. It's really helpful just to kind of get, um, a bit of a, a bit of a, a heads up. Um, so, uh, a tiny bit is also really helpful and I think the whole idea is that it can seem quite daunting and it, and it shouldn't be really, it's just about knowing a few, a little bit about how the the thing is uh on that side. So uh one new message which I'm just trying to uh I'm Natasha final year medical student at bars, Queen Mary as well. No experience and research. Keen to find out fishing ideas and writing abstract. Perfect. Well, welcome Natasha. Thank you so much. Thanks for sharing that. The message works. That's great. If anyone else wants to put a message in as well, um That would be great. Um Just as a bit of a a back up. I don't know if anyone from zoom as well. Yes, you can hear me. Excellent. Mohamed, please. If you can give a background, just a bit like Natasha is a medical student that would be really helpful. Uh Just to, to me to sort of pitch how um and to make sure I don't use too many acronyms. That would be great. Um Good that you can hear me. Um So what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna share my screen on Zoom um as a desktop. Um And then hopefully you guys can see my screen. All right, uh which is good and then I'm gonna pitch it on middle. So let me know if that works. All right guys. Um So I am currently um yeah, I am currently sharing and I'm just trying to see. Sorry Gemma. I don't know if you've got any skills or tips how to share. Like I can see the share button, it's present now sort of thing, but I'm just wondering about the record button. Can you see my screen? You can't see. Can I can I can share my screen? I'm doubly sharing now. So this looks a mess but hopefully, oh, look at that. I've got double within that. Um So I'm just wondering with in gosh, it's like one of those er a er Abir Sorry Bangladesh. Some been recently. I need to find out more. Introduce you. My phd. Happy to be here. Thanks. Uh doctor A. That's really kind. That's really nice. Perfect. Now, if I do this, I wanna go to my slides and now here I'll do from here. Um Great. Sorry J I'm going to use you if that's all right, just to make sure. But um now how is that looking from the Zoom side? It looks ok, but I don't know from a metal side. How's that? It looks ok. Yeah. Um So we can see the slides quite clearly. Great. Um the, that's good. Um The only thing I just wondered about on final thing just sorry and show for a moment. We're just going back to medical, how we do this. He doctor reader, medical office, a private hospital to see my research center. Perfect, welcome. Do read. You can see it. Perfect. So um I am just wondering this record button or middle. Uh I'm just trying to think, sorry, I should have realized it. It looked like it was quite straightforward. Oh, is classic. Um Just trying to see unless there's a settings here, stop broadcast, you know, we don't want that. Um That is the, let me see this here, but that's not. Um So in which case, I think to be honest, given that it's already 15 minutes in, we'll just start. Um And what I'll do is I'll go back to show my screen and I'll just talk through the slides and then if people can just, I don't know if they're uh what I'll do is I'll come to the end and then look at the chat if that's ok, just cos I think it's easier that way and my presentation is not that long. It's more about just starting stuff. So, um, so welcome everyone. Uh Thanks for um chipping in uh those who've got a background um and give me their, their background. I just wanted to basically do a first session really just to see um how this would be helpful for everyone thinking about pitching ideas and writing abstracts, which is what we, we do all throughout our career for people involved in research or wanting to be involved in research. Um, and I think, er, they're very similar. Um, and ideally when you're, you're pitching idea off and you, you don't have that much time, er, to keep someone's attention and it's the same with writing abstracts. So I thought I'd talk a little bit about pitching ideas because it talks a little bit about uh research in general. Now I've worked, as I said, mainly in research in Kenya and Zimbabwe and, and the UK. So my bias is a little bit like that but II do have contacts in other countries. Um And generally, so I, you know, kind of, it will be different based on which country you're from, but some of the overlying themes will be the same. And so it's, it's helpful to get a bit of an idea and a bit of a, a thought about you go particularly for those who are, who are starting out or, or who are thinking about sort of next steps and things. So um a little bit about us as IC HD. So what we do um thinking about the pitch abstract. So I've got a few examples of mine which I can just talk about um really is an example of, of kind of what not to do or, or like how to get things better. Uh, but also a little bit about how, how to market at your audience and then kind of where we go from there and really what I was hoping is that people would then chip in. Um, so we'll probably stop sharing at that point and go back to the stage. So, um, what we do in, er, international Child Health Group is with, er, everybody so very much, um, for, not just for children's doctors, although that's what I am. Er, but anyone interested in child health um from uh uh even, er, you know, kind of beyond sort of just the and health professionals, but all, all types of health professionals, we support research awards, student projects. We try and provide mentoring and, and provide a bit more of a research community. Um There's some stuff within the UK, like sort of academic toolkits, we provide webinars, social media, we have sort of advocacy students um teaching groups as well. Um And then we kind of uh linked to child health information for all and we're a subgroup of Royal College of Pediatrics and Child health uh from the UK. So obviously we have that UK bias. Um And so it's very much beyond sort of doctors, nurses, students. But obviously that tends to be a little bit who we get along, which is fine. But that's also um you know, kind of certainly the work that I do is very closely linked to social science, nutrition um I work a lot with psychologists um statistics statisticians. Um and then, um and, and also much wider in sort of program development and international work as well. So I work within a wide range of different communities. Um And um yeah, that's something that we're, we're very keen to, to foster as well from that site. Um So a little bit about sort of research journey uh because no one really spells this out. And I think it's helpful is that to some extent, it, it's good to think about area or areas of interest and to some extent, it's also helpful, very much like a career thinking also what you don't like and what you're not interested in um and seeing what is left. So it's often a, a mixture of both like what er um training you've had what uh contacts you've, you've made along the way. And really what I put in bold here is, is a mentor and this, obviously these mentors can change across different bits, but it's really helpful to have someone who's a bit further along um the, the research pathway who can say, well, look when I was at your stage, this is what I found really helpful, whether it's um you know, particular conferences to go to or to think about particular groups. Um And what I would say about mentors as well is that they can change as you go through the journey. And it's not always the kind of, the idea is often thinking of like a professor. Um, but actually that's not always the case and it can be very much someone who is just maybe a, a year or two ahead of you, um, who's got the most sort of up to date idea of sort of pathways. Um, and pathways within research is, is tricky. I think it depends a little bit where you are and, and what, whereabouts you are. So, one of the other sort of thoughts about research is it, it's difficult to do on your own. So it, it's not impossible, but um the, the timelines are generally very long. So it's, it's good to be near either geographically or at least have some good contacts with research centers and what they're doing because they can really provide the support that's needed and, and sort of keep keep, you know, kind of you kind of on the straight and narrow as far as um where to apply for any funding, for any ideas, for any projects. And so thinking about that, where your, your research center are. Again, these change depending on what you're interested and where you are. But often, you know, even after sort of COVID, it's still make, you know, kind of, these are all linked together. So knowing people being able to meet face to face, it still works a little bit like that. Obviously, it can be done online and, and much more since COVID um, and that's not to say that, you know, kind of, you can't build out greater international collaborations without ever having met anyone. And that's certainly the case. Um, but, but having said that it, it, there's also still, uh, maybe I'm a bit old fashioned but there is something to be said for sort of face to face meetings as well. A little bit about that is sort of timing and all of these link together. Um because the face to face, you can understand, you know, who you're asking for. Uh you know, a bit of advice from, um a little bit understands the sort of two way street. So mentoring people always happy to mentor. But if you're looking at kind of sort of someone to help you with a project, then they're gonna invest a bit of time, ideally, they'll, they'll also want to, uh you know, kind of ideally get some kind of output. So it's a bit of a, a two way street and, and it's nice to kind of just spell this out because um people don't always understand that or, or are direct about that. And the other thing is a little bit with mentors and I'm just sort of talking a little bit off the record here, but you'll get an idea about how directed and ambitious someone is and that is a, is a kind of a two way street again, like obviously you want someone who will, will answer your emails. But at the same time, you want them to be able to be involved with you as a person going forward rather than just fitting into their next bit of their research. So it, it's always a bit of both and that's why I wanna be quite honest about that. But uh when it comes to pitching yourself, pitching ideas, seeing a little bit how that works within the abstract is good, but also getting an idea about, hm, is this person also going to, to nurture me going forward? And so, II always think this is a useful slide because it's not something that I've always talked about. But I think um it, it's useful to be aware of just because sadly, there's a lot of rejection in, in research, there's a lot of er, ideas can get funded. Um There's a lot of long time. So, so you really need ideally an ally who someone will stay with you and, and, and keep you going from that side. So I kind of put that al always as a beginning side, just as a, a sort of heads up really cos it's not an easy path, it's a very rewarding path, but it takes time uh from that side. So, um I hope that that's kind of a thought, I mean, you know, kind of a game we can come back to this but areas of interest obviously is something that, you know, kind of, there's also the sort, blogs and podcasts and, and obviously my interest in a little bit of IC HD is more in International Child Health. So I suggested a few different ideas of things like, you know, from global health um MS global health overview. If you're more on humanitarian side, free lectures from things like London School of Hygiene and tropical Medicine. Sadly, I'm showing my UK bias here but, but these are kind of um things that often are quite useful to kind of sign up on things like conferences can give you a really helpful overview of like uh an area in a couple of days, cos not everyone has time to read lots of papers. Um But again, be a little bit strategic. Um how much is available online, how much is, you know, kind of a conference fee that where you want to pay or the travel involved in that IC HG obviously, I'm gonna flag that but is often more international, more um you know, kind of online and and doesn't and is free to attend. So that can often help to kind of think about where to go. You might think about more training and other funders going and that's further down the line. Um And obviously, again, I'm showing my kind of UK buyer Sally by talking about things like working trust and MRC but Medical Research Council. Um But those are often uh the, the idea and this is where mentor and contacts kind of show you where all of these can be more helpful. Um But it's just, you know, kind of these are some of the directions about finding an air of interest, finding, pitching an idea and that kind of thing from that side. Um And, and again, this is just really talking about this for sort of, er, er, experience and trusted adviser. If you're wondering what these background photos are, these are mainly for my research in, in rural Zimbabwe looking at child health. Um but I just wanted to kind of keep people's interests a little bit and so it's a little bit uh abstracts, pitching ideas is often projects, but it's, it's idea of, you know, finding a topic where you're gonna pitch that to a conference. And so really for people starting off, but also to be honest at all levels, um abstracts for conferences are kind of where I'm gonna focus this at because that's really where you kind of often get a little bit of a mini publication, you get a bit more recognition about where to go and what's going on. And um it's often the first chance to present a poster and kind of think is the kind of research uh idea uh and meeting people and, and, and it's like a process, it's not like you, you find one like mentor and then do all of these things often it's quite organic and it is basically the more you go the more you expose yourself, the more you to different ideas, the more you find people to get involved with and, and, and things. So it's kind of like a bit of a, er, all in one from that side but then hopefully things will lead to sort of uh opportunities and funding going forward. Um And so really when you're thinking about pitching ideas, um it's a bit of a balance, I think, to be honest between how exciting something is, um and how feasible it is. Um So there's a kind of uh you know, sort of a, a bit of a mixture. So for example, I mean, this background is a, a surgical uh background can just place it out there. But um you know, one of the really exciting projects was a, a pediatric surgeon, for example, who's, who's been a long time across Africa looking at improving surgical outcomes. Now, that's a really exciting project, but that is many years down the line that, you know, kind of came from a, a lot of different research stuff and that was a phd project. So that's exciting. But, you know, you need to have a specific skill set for that. Um One of the kind of first projects that I will show and discuss about is looking at um an audit of abstracts within um you know, kind of uh Royal College of pediatrics. Um And what had been done before that was quite easy to get the data of, it wasn't necessarily the most exciting, it had an important message but it was very feasible within, for like, say, for example, a student who was just being involved in the start of research. So there's always gonna be that balance between the two. and I think the idea is to try and find something that you're interested in, that you can sort of see through, but at the same time it's quite er exciting. For example, one of the first, um, one of the first things that I did was an audit. Um, oh, look at that, click this button. Thank you. Sorry. I'm just gonna pause for a moment just because um I'm going back to metal. Um, and there is a little button here that says click this button people. Um, and then what do I do? Is there a hold on? Uh, three ticks? No, I'm clicking that button and then I can't see anything to it says I'm presenting. I can't see any record button. Uh Shame. We are still learning our technology. Yeah, I can't see it either. So if we haven't got it, it's probably because it's not there for some reason. Uh Shame. OK. Never mind working medicine in Benghazi Medical Center. I have some research, actively happy to learn from you all. Perfect. Thank you, Roger. Um Great. I think it's really nice how this is quite international and really quite um, a mix of stuff. So sorry, I've been catching it very general at the moment. Um but I will be a little bit more specific, er going forward. So I'm gonna go back to my slides and I think, yeah. So for example, one of my very first um projects was doing an audit of feto dosing within Children with epilepsy. Now, um that happened to be cos I was working as a doctor at that point. I um found a, a ha a mentor and he was like, you know, this will be a very quick audit, but it's quite interesting, it's quite topical. And again, that, that II found he was a good guy to work with, that helped me to, you know, kind of develop, er er in the end uh you know, kind of uh some other contacts from within that. So, you know, simple stuff to start with um moving more towards more exciting or, or more challenging stuff as you go forward. So it's always a bit of a balance when, when you're sort of pitching ideas and, and thinking about it. So, um again, if you're looking at, at any stage, but I'm gonna flip now to the other extreme, more looking at phd projects. Um but also looking at sort of overseas fellowships or, or longer term research then really there, there's the three PS. Um and people don't always say this straight out, but actually this is what is underlying most applications is the person the place in the project. So the person is you and again, that is a little bit your research journey so far. So, do you have a track record? Um How can you think about this? And it's not to say that, you know, you're going to apply for this right now, although obviously, it's always good to have a, a goal in sort of five years time or so. But how can you get to be that kind of person? So sometimes, for example, on the welcome trust website, they'll have um you know, kind of themes of people and they'll talk about how they got to where they are. Um It's, it's interesting to see how they did those projects and, and where they got involved. So your person's side is, is where you are at that point. Um And how you got to there. And obviously, we've got quite a, a select audience already of people with different medical backgrounds. So you already have quite a, a lot of that as far as, um you know, kind of degrees and things like that. And then, sadly, there these things are always quite competitive so beyond kind of degrees uh as in medical degrees or ideology, degrees, you know, kind of what other sort of projects have you been involved in? And, and how did that have a, an impact if you like? So whether that's a, a presentation of a conference, you get points for that, you get more points for a regional conference than a, a local one. You get more points for a national than regional, you get more points for international and national. So often these things are, er, that doesn't necessarily mean you have to do travel and stuff like that. But, but if you can get, uh, you know, your, your com abstracted into something international that, that counts well for the future. Um, then there's the place and this goes right back to what I said right at the start that sadly, if you're looking for kind of pitching ideas of a research project, you generally need a place that has a bit of a track record and research. So um it is not impossible to set up something completely new. Um And there are certain areas where we welcome that particularly say, for example, in our um research award in, in International Child Health Group, but that's very small, that's only about 1500 lbs. If you're looking at sort of bigger grant funders, then they are generally responsible for all their kind of donor reports and things like that and they want a good chance of success. So part of this is success is the person, but it is also the place. So can you ally yourself or your project with a, a place that has a track record of, of um you know, kind of research. Um And that doesn't necessarily mean you need to be in that country. But can you at least show that you've got a good um you know, kind of a record of, of work with your collaborator, for example. So how feasible is it to do in the place you currently are the place you're applying to do it in? Um And so marks of place uh generally that will, that will be a little bit to do with your, with your uh sort of mentor and your, your person that will might be supervising you. But also, um you know, kind of knowing that, that, that a lot of funders want that research infrastructure there to start with is good to know from that side. And then lastly, the project itself. So, um again, it depends like what kind of funding you're going for. Um And again, it really is looking at this. So there are some uh funders that do want something that's really, you know, kind of very exciting without much pilot data, but the majority want stuff that's, that's kind of uh you know, a bit like new and standing on the shoulders of giants, you, you're going where stuff where has been done before, but you're asking a new question. So, um yeah, and particularly, you know, kind of, if you're looking at pitching a project, the smart objective, so specific and so generally, a very good tip for grants in general is that, you know, kind of don't be over ambitious. So generally, um it, it puts people off when you say you're gonna do loads, it's much better to kind of target it and, and start small um from that side, uh keep it simple. Um And ideally, if it's measurable, again, it goes back to the base if you've got any pilot data that makes things massively. So a lot of the funding that we've had, which has been quite successful, we've been able to show look, this is the pilot data we have already, this is what we've done. We can show we can do these techniques, but now we want to do it in, in a, in another population, we want to measure in older kids. We want to um you know, kind of um pilot this lab with this new technique, but we've done it in this other technique or that kind of thing, you know, we've got AAA measurable outcome. So even if, uh and you know, you have to appreciate the research timelines along. So even, you know, kind of getting an idea, writing it up publishing, especially when you've got other professional careers or family commitments and stuff, you're often looking at a year to two years. So pilot data is really helpful because you can get it as you go along and it shows that you're getting stuff. Um So it's gotta be achievable as well. So within a certain timeline that that comes on to the tee, but also, um you know, kind of certain, um, what I call resilience. So resilience can be a, a bit of a dirty word. But what I really mean, what within that is that, you know, kind of have you got back up plans for, you know, issues with, um, certainly for my stuff, overseas research, like chipping being a problem. Um, you know, kind of other delays in things. Like you don't necessarily have to think about, you know, kind of what would happen if there's a COVID lockdown. But it's good to have the idea of what, how your project can make do even with, you know, kind of issues of changes of personnel or, you know, kind of other issues that might come along. So how resilient are you to other problems is something that um uh what problems do you see and how you get around them is often a section within grants. So if there isn't, you kind of need to point out that, well, we've done this before and it kind of builds on the other two, but, you know, sort of we either done it before or we've got a good track record or, you know, this is how we would um if we can't recruit into a study, this is how we would um expand the population, for example, like, you know, kind of there and that's often um the thing and then relevant that goes back to the earlier slide. So really understanding what are the key issues how is it relevant to what a funder wants, but also to what you want to do. And I suppose really, it's the important thing about what you want to do. So I'm being honest here that it is a bit of a game research, sadly, like everything is a little bit donor driven, but obviously because there's so much um blood sweat and tears, you wanna be something that's relevant to what you find. Interesting. So, um yeah, so I hope that I hope this has been useful from that side. So, um when you're doing abstracts or pitching ideas, think about the audience. So whether it's for more general sort of pediatrics, and again, I'm showing my bias um or more specialist audience and target it based on your audience. Um and again, then the idea of abstract and this is what I'm kind of focused down on is how to keep it short and sweet. So, um again, we often there's medics sort of about um you know, kind of the sbar say, you know, kind of er is a tool used in, in clinical medicine when you're trying to get someone's attention on the phone and they're busy, busy A&E what's the situation, the background assessment response? So, I don't, for example, I have a, a three year old with increased work of breathing. He's got a background of uh cerebral palsy. Um My assessment is that he, he's needing oxygen, but he's still not doing very well. I need you to come down and assess him for possible um, admission to intensive care, for example. So that is four sentences. But I've got the, you know, kind of got the message across in four sentences. So actually, it's quite a useful training that to think about when you're pitching ideas to, uh, you know, kind of um, uh researchers, er, or, or, you know, to your, um, to a future like kind of, er, academic or, or anything like that, like, can you really shorten it down? Um the background is really your background quite often, what you've done before, what's been done, the assessment is what you can do. The situation is your problem and the response in some ways is uh why this is important with you. So they kind of all link together from that side. Um So if we're looking at say abstract for conferences, then um please please read the guidelines first. So, I mean, I know it sounds obvious but sadly, as, as someone who's also marks um abstracts often if they are over the word count and that's better these days with electronic forms that is unlikely, but sometimes people do pitch ideas or um stuff that is not that relevant. So if it's a research funder, then make sure it's for research, not just for teaching kind of thing, if it's more for teaching, make sure it's for teaching and not research, you know, make sure that it kind of it fits within the remit of the conference or the remit of the funder. Otherwise, sadly, they're looking to cut out applications and that's an easy cut. Um Equator guidelines. So the Equator network is really helpful. Um And ideally your mentor or whoever it is, should be well aware of this. And these are really helpful for getting uh publications and making sure that your reporting guidelines are in, in order. Um And a lot of abstracts um are based on that more for papers, but it's good to know if you're looking at quality of stuff, then the equator network is really improving the the um the kind of research landscape you want something that's short and snappy in the title. Um And ideally the introduction, it's very easy because you're interested in your area to, to waffle on the introduction. But actually, that's why I put save in the square brackets. That's the place to save because sadly, methods often take and results take a bit of time. Um If you get an objective section, make sure it's really crisp for your research questions. So this is the space to save words if that makes sense for your abstracts and then methods. Um sadly, they do need a bit of um you know, kind of detail about who uh what your participants are, what this design is, how the kind of techniques you don't need to be too advanced. But this is kind of where often the, the words kind of balloon a bit and then you have to keep chopping it down. Um And then the kind of what about what you actually did, what was, you know, kind of the outcome and things like that. Um And so methods and results, sadly often take the meat of the, the words. Um, because they generally, they do expect, you know, kind of number of participants what their age and sex are, particularly, you know, a number of boys and girls in our kind of child health side. Um, but also kind of difference between groups and an effect size. So again, it's not enough just to say we found an effect. This was this and this was this and there was ap value generally. Um it depends on who's marking, but a lot of people are not impressed by, by P or statistical values. It's much better to give either a confidence interval or a standard deviation. And again, Sally, that message isn't always getting out there but it's, it's, um, you know, kind of, you can use these abbreviations once you define them. Um but uh and there are little tricks like for example, putting er, numbers in a comma and then another number and you know, you're trying to get the word count down, but ideally you want to get something in your methods and results that keeps it meaty. But the, the, the snag is, this is where the science is judged in this section. But actually when you're putting people in, it's more about the title and the conclusion with a bit of the intro from that side. So it's that balance, you kind of wanna be judged scientifically on methods and results. But actually when you're looking at how people are interested and where they're gonna read your abstract, it's more about the first and last bit to be honest. So with conclusion, it's, you know, that's often the bit that people skip to uh once they've seen the title, sadly and the in they wanna know what is it worth, you know, what did you really find? Um It's good to be realistic. Don't under sell but don't oversell either and then be positive about your future directions. Um You know, it's a bit of a turn off to say more studies are needed. All research always says that partly because there's always more research needed, but partly because it's a bit of a, you know, kind of, um you know, kind of how it's much better to say how a research studies needed. Where next, what are you gonna do? And it kind of builds that and, and so, you know, kind of you need to think, say, take a step back, what is this abstract for? It's hopefully not just for you to get an international sort of recognition and things, it's more to generate interest amongst other researchers for you to, to build uh you know, kind of links for the future for you to build collaborations, for you to share ideas. That's what an abstract should be about. Really? So your, your future directions is really where you're putting people in to say, actually, you know, this is what I'm interested in or what we might ask future, what do you think? And really, hopefully people will say, well, they'll, they'll circle it, they'll say, well, actually, this is why or they'll message you online and they'll say, look, this is kind of what we want to be in touch with and things on that side. So, um that's kind of why in many ways the conclusion and, and like what you did um is really often, I think one of the most important bits, I mean, obviously, methods and results, I do, you know, people do read as well and they'll be interested in and how you did that and they might well reach out about that. But it's, it's, you know, kind of the, the, the title is, is, and the title and intro are where you put in the most people from that side. Um uh The other sort of tips, obviously spelling grammar, Chaka, particularly, er, if you're submitting in a, a different language from, from your home language, obviously. Um but um and then abbreviations um try and keep them short, easy to remember. Um try and write your abstract early and get feedback from lots of different people like that's, that's the key thing obviously from that. So I think that really you need that uh feedback and, and to chop down, especially from Nonexpert in the field. Um And ideally do that early so that you've got the timing. Sadly, I'll be honest, a lot of research sadly is often takes ages and then there's always a short deadline, so it's often last minute. Um but um ideally always aim to get those abstracts out early to, to readers and to um sort of friends, colleagues, anyone else and that will really improve it from its side. So I'm just gonna finish with a few examples. I can come back to these. Um but I kind of wanna ideally um get people kind of discussing stuff. Um So I'm doing sorry, sadly, three examples of mine just for speed. Um This was one about um uh you know, this is the title for the International Development Pediatric Association I DPA. Uh It's an international conference. It generally was generally online. It's now a bit more in person. But um the nice thing is this uh last year I was in South Africa, but it's very much focused on international work. Um It's not based in the UK, it's um got a very international outlook. Um So I put this in and particularly I wanted like a catchy phrase to start off with. So that's why I talked about hidden crises in plain sight. So I kind of wanted to suggest that actually, uh you know, this was a very disadvantaged population and I wanted to um get someone thinking about all they really mean with that. So that's why I talked about this. Um And I've talked about child adversity. So this was something that I'm working on. Um you know, kind of what, what, how do you define diversity? What is the prevalence of multiple diversities? Um How do you develop a diversity scale? Um with my methods, this is quite wordy. Um That's just the nature of what I was writing for this abstract for a more scientific audience. I put more numbers in. Um I've got a little bit about the number of Children and things um for my results, I'm just talking a little bit about numbers and what had happened. Um Now I have done other er abstracts for this conference which have been much more scientific, but this is quite a sort of um overall wordy abstract that just talks about the need for a diversity scale. If I'm looking, I've got a, a slightly snappy title or slightly wondering what's going on. Um And then really if I jump from the title to the conclusion, um that's the, the point subsistent farming found in rule of er Zimbabwe face multiple simultaneous adversities. That was a take home point that actually, you know, it's not enough to just think about food insecurity. There's problems with, for example, alcohol, job loss household death debt, um, you know, kind of, and that comes a little bit back to, er, to results and methods. People don't always read from one to the other. Um, and if you're thinking about, um, writing a newspaper article is that, you know, people often, they skip the first, they write the first few lines and you, you lose readers as you go down. Um, that said within the science side, the methods and results are the most important. But often there might be that people will skip within that. What is, what is this about? Um And then, you know, kind of just right at the bottom, I've got the key point and the conclusion there in the first sentence, um the other stuff uh I suggest here data may have a cumulative effect. II talk about further work as needed. Yes, obviously, that's what I said, always further work is needed. But I, I've got a specific thing there that I want to understand the cumulative impact of these on child development. So this was really a flag that I put this in mainly because II was trying to talk to other um researchers in, in um child adversity and child cognition about um you know, kind of how do we start doing this? So this is why I put this in really and that's why I put this in the conclusion. So um that's a kind of wordy example. Um This is a effective HIV exposure on the school age health outcome. So certainly sorry my research again. Um but I think um this is slightly longer. Um and um you know, kind of again, this was for um looking at er European Society, pediatric Infectious Diseases. So I was given a little bit more words about this. This is a a much more specialist conference. So I have deliberately sadly had to use acronyms here for Children born to HIV, positive mothers that are exposed but HIV, negative, so slightly complicated HIV, exposed but uninfected ch eu but as those born to HIV, negative mothers. So I've had to define that early on. I've used an acronym, I've had to because of word count and then going forward. Um I've had to kind of use that throughout. I've had to use different acronyms throughout and I've had to pack a lot into, um, you know, kind of, particularly to the results for a scientific thing uh conference. I'm, I'm saying that, you know, these are the number of Children. Uh These are the number of HIV, unexposed, what their age was, what the difference in age was. Um, what are the differences in height, what difference in cognition scores were and, you know, kind of what was going on. Sorry, my conclusion has slightly gone off the, er, the page there. Um I don't know how that happened but anyway, uh but anyway, the results are that, er, anti, that has a persistent effect on growth and neurodevelopment. So that's the kind of take home message in one sentence. So people might well skip that. Sorry. Excuse me, let me just go back to this. Hopefully now it's all on one page. Um Yeah, so sorry, let me go back. So yeah, so here again, the way I do it is, I've sadly got slightly more technical introduction. Um but again, if someone um skipped straight to conclusion, they've got the take home message in one sentence. So, um, you know, kind of, I've had to use quite a lot of different, um, technical words here but it is a much more technical confidence that I've aim for. Um, this one is uh, something that we, er, did with a medical student. Um, and, er, way back. Um, so this is for College of pediatrics. Um, this is very wordy. So ideally what I would do to be honest is if, if people are interested, I'll show you how to cut this down to length, uh, as we go. Um, but, you know, kind of sally at the moment. Er, it's ok because Royal College of Pediatrics, this is published in its own little book. And so you kind of tell the whole story within this, but ideally you want, um, you know, kind of something which is much more concise. Um, and so we've got the results here. We've, we've, we've, you know, kind of put the, the end numbers in. We haven't done any particularly complicated statistical analysis there. Um, but it is very long. Um, and so if people are interested, I'll show you, oh, gosh, seems to, to some extent, uh, also gone off the page. Um, but, um, I can show you how to, uh, to, to narrow this down if people are interested. So, so many of it's gone off the page. But anyway, um, yeah, so I will go back to that. Er, it's interesting how when I present it come off the other thing on the side. Anyway, never mind. We'll do another one presentation skills. So basically in summary, um from a pip side, know the kind of situation, know your background. Uh not just your background personally but also the background of the problem, er, which kind of moves on to the assessment. What the research question is, the response a little bit is your kind of um um you know, kind of uh your contribution and then really how it fits together that sort of one line sentence really? From that side. So, um yeah, I kind of gonna, I'm gonna stop it there uh from that side and see uh what uh oh, it seems to have some funky stuff that's happened while I, while I mean, presenting uh uh uh so that should be like this. There we go. Anyway, that should be like this. Uh I go back to your situation background assessment as well. So I've done it very much as a clinical idea. Keep it short, keep it simple. Um, so, uh I'm going to go back to me. Um, and, yeah, I'm just wondering if that was helpful for people how, um, yeah, people want to share about sort of where they were, where they see themselves, er, pitching ideas, pitching abstracts. Um, it was a very sort of uh overview cos I'm obviously I, I'm counting for a lot of different people. Um but yeah, I just wondered what people would like to, to do. I just wanna open it up for people now. Um So they didn't want to say anything. Ok. Uh The at once um was that helpful guys? Ok. So just switch on your microphone or me in the chat. Um Yeah, anyone wanna say anything. So I'm gonna do. Er Yes, thank you. Perfect. Um um Great. So at least at least Natasha heard it. I mean what I can do to be honest um uh Gemma if it's alright if you can just keep an eye on the chat if anything comes through. Um cos I don't wanna put people on the spot too much. I'm just gonna n um let's just see if anything's happening zoom myself to remove my camera, the chat there. Um Great. So people are being a bit quiet. That's um what I would suggest is that as I kind of, so I use this as an example of a um you know, kind of a two word um er abstract. So what I'm gonna try and do to minimize this down in my plan was in case no one had anything to say. Um I was gonna show you how to basically cut this down. So a lot of um academia, a lot of pitching stuff is you might start with too many words, cos you're interested and then how do we cut it down? So I thought I'd just do that live while I'm waiting for anyone to say uh anything. Um Cool. I don't know if anyone's got any questions, please speak out. Um So for example, here, there's an emerging interest in it too. Waffle, just get rid of it. Um So for example, um start uh start, start big, start with decolonizing labor health, you know what? Um So then I would do that and then just get rid of by examining, you want it, you want it, you want it, say it examines power imbalances between global north and south. OK. So already you've got like you're putting people in into what they're interested in. Uh One here to scrutinize is the local representation of um published research. So again, it's too long. Um So what I would say is um starts get rid of one key area to scrutinize. There's always gonna be key areas to scrutinize, get rid of that, just do local representation, you're also uh carried out and no resource um er is highly er you could say topical. Um And then you can do a code on, on that and then say, OK, so this is about local extension and a for public research. Um And you could do carried out in low resource settings. Um You could also say uh representation. In fact, you can get rid of local completely. And you can say representation in uh research in p in the authorship of public research kind of is highly typical. Um And then, um yeah, because again, there's a bit of a, it's an interesting one, this one because local representation is itself a little bit of a loaded statement. Uh But we were talking about representation, for example, no published research er is er carried out and low. So it is highly difficult. Again, I'm not particularly happy with that sentence, but we're shortening it down. Um Today, this is focused on published manuscripts um to our knowledge, comments have not yet been explored. Uh It's highly topical. Uh uh I would say based in published manuscripts and uh and conference presentations. Um uh it is highly topical uh you know, kind of and I would say kind of uh do the code on there. Actually, it's highly topical uh both in published manuscripts. Um Actually, no, I take that back, take it out. This is, this is how it is both in two are. Uh I would say it's highly topical uh then actually get rid of published manuscripts because people will be aware of that. Anyway, um you want to just put your, your thing in to your knowledge conference presentation have publications have not yet been explored. Um Then it's like first and last order that general report is the lead in senior or Responsible persons for published projects. That's OK. Fine. I think that's defining it for this audience, which is your college of pediatrics. So people will not have a research background. So I think that's OK. That's like defining it. This initial audit aimed to er yeah, so get rid of initial. You don't want to under say your work either. You just wanna say what it is, it's an audit. Um don't say Retros aim to, you just can do it here retrospectively reviewed first and last authors of baby pediatric research presented at international conference at an international conference um to reflect uh representation or um you know, you could er so then we got you go back to it to colonizing er exam in between global north and the South. Er I would you on that? So your representative in the a published research is highly carried out and live there. It's highly topical. Er So actually I would put that back. So again, you can, I mean, you know, but this is ideally you do it as a team where you're back back and forth and this is how we say to our knowledge to a comment there, for example, conference presentations and publications have not yet been explored. Yeah, because we've already talked about published research and this is conference presentations. So I think again, that whole stuff about manuscripts is needed first and last, also I generally regard as the lead and senior or responsible persons. Um He is the lead and the senior uh I think as the lead for a published project, I think again, we can get rid of all of that. You wanna really, you wanna, you know, kind of cos this is your key where you're talking about you're making it. So I don't think we've lost anything. In fact, if anything, it's becoming more um accessible, the, the shorter it is to our knowledge, conversation and public is not being explored. Um First and last, a generally regarded as the lead for published projects. This audit retrospectively reviewed first and last authors of global pediatric research presented at an international conference of effect representation. So you could, there's definitely a way of combining this into one sentence. I'm not gonna bother with that. Now, cos I've already sort of done that down by two sets, but um I just wanted to show you that this is how you kind of chopped stuff. Um Again, we analyze authorship from published extracts. That's OK. Generally, for research um from a language side, um we is always a little bit uh less professional than authorship was analyzed. So sometimes it depends like for uh Royal College of pediatrics. It's fine to put, we, I mean, a lot of, a lot of abstracts will be, will be using why we did that. But actually, generally, um, you know, kind of authorship was analyzed and published abstracts presented at this section of the R CPT H from I in 22 and 26 and 20. You probably have to spell out well, college of peds in child health and yours. Um, because sadly there isn't really a, um, a way of doing that. Um, and then studies were included if, er, performed low of incomes, um, er, infor loan, er, studies conducted primary and high income countries, secondary days reviews were excluded. So, again, yes, that's an important point. Generally though, if you're looking to cut words in an abstract you don't need to talk about, um, you know, what was excluded? That's more for a paper. Um, it's fine if you've got 500 words. But actually, you know, kind of, if you wanna keep it, you wanna keep it short, just get out what it, it's, it, we were talking about what studies including low, middle income countries. First and last it was, was classified as being primarily either the same country as the papers focus or a high income country. Um, so here we go. Now, have they talked about high income country before? They haven't? So that's an error there. So you kind of wanna make sure that if you're using an ACR make sure if you've taken it out, make sure that sentence, um, you go for or affiliations in other countries, the following classification. If any country, affiliation was a high income country, then the being primarily to. So that's an important bit of the methods from that side. Um, if you've got space, keep that in, if not take it out again, it's more about, um, you know, kind of either each other that ever been primarily either the same country or is the focus of a high income country. Um, they could mention about multiple countries but actually, you know, if needed that can come out and then you've got your results. Um, again, you can't do too much about that. Um, and then they talked about, you know, kind of which countries were done. Again, the shows World College of pediatrics bias, right? Is where a lot of overseas, um, placements are for pediatric doctors. I mean, that's fine. That's where it is. Um, er, and then you've got which region it was, um, as well. So, again, that's useful. But again, if we're, we're, uh, we've already got the countries there. We don't really need the region as well from that side. So, um, you could potentially drop that if needed. Um, cos the key bit coming forward is this 70% of horses were from a high income country. Er, an average of 40% of us who had a primary in the country performed in So that's interesting cos this is obviously quite low. Um findings were similar across all six years. In total, more than half of abstracts did not have a local author as either the first or last author. So um now if I was to change this as a title, I probably would call it something a bit more um stuck in the middle as a famous for those interested in in global health uh decolonizing global health research stuck in the middle is a classic thing which sadly is often a lot of global health research where local researchers are put as middle authors rather than the first or last. Um There's a lot of tensions and debate about how best to solve that. Um but um uh you know, I would say, you know, kind of call it something a little bit more, um a bit more punching stuck in the middle, lack of uh representation of authors from low resource settings you could do from that side uh from that. So you, again, you, you've kind of got a very, a much um uh in common side effect. Uh You could, so you've got quite a punchy um title there. Observed incontinence have sex, uh you know, kind of, er, so you've got quite, quite a bunch of ti in there. Um But uh you know, uh I mean, you know, you've got the chance here to on that side. So I'm sorry, I'm just gonna come out of that for a moment and go back to me. I don't know if I'm hemorrhaging people here. I'm just, just because, no, I don't think anyone's asked anything. Have they? Uh Gemma? So, no, I'm just looking at the people. I think we have lost a few about that. Fair enough. So I just did a little bit of editing there. I just wanted to kind of show you how things could be, you know, kind of edited down and how you, you, you kind of the idea of pitching stuff of writing abstracts basically is you write more and then you tend to stop it down. So I appreciate that half seven. Yeah, I don't know if anyone has anything else that they wanted to ask or about sort of general careers uh general um Things from that side. I um yeah, please please feel free to message. Um uh Yeah, I think so those abstracts where they sort of conference abstracts or research phd. No, they were all conference abstracts. I just uh so again, conference is, is the probably the, the II picked those because they were some of them led onto later papers. But actually, um generally for pitching stuff. Um it's normally conferences that research do a lot more than papers. And often you often write the paper first and then do the conference abstract and then do the abstract. Um But with conference abstracts often because of time wise, you often write them quite early on when you've only got a little bit of the uh when you've got the sort of initial, but you are still kind of focusing the message because from the deadline side, you have to put the abstract in months before the conference. So um that's why I thought actually pitching stuff is quite similar to abstract in this website. I just put my email in the chat. So what's the difference of a phd um Like a proposal, for example, is that a lot more thorough? Yeah. So generally, um for phd proposals for papers and stuff, you often write the entire proposal or paper first and then the abstract is almost one of the last things you write quite often. I mean, not always, but generally. Um Yeah, for phd proposals um abstract or the summary is often done towards the end and edited. Um I could do a whole another one on for phd proposals. But um yeah, II that's, that's my experience anyway. Um maybe people have done it the other way, but most of the time your um your abstract is one of the last things you write, even in the paper or a thesis or a proposal as well. Cos it, it's probably the most important bit like that's where you, you kind of gain or lose people cos that's everyone's busy. Um If you, it's always useful to put yourself in the mind of a marker. So if you're say applying for a phd project, you have 30 proposals and you need to get through and er, say, sadly drop 20 to get 10 to interview, for example. So how are you gonna do that? You're mainly gonna do that on the abstracts, like you will obviously look at the longer ones but a well written abstract, it's got a clear focus, a clear pitch that's gonna score higher. Um So how do you do that? Well, when you're writing at the other end, you want that to be really good and to focus everything down once you've really sorted out what you're gonna put in your proposal, what you've taken out. So um that's why whereas conference abstracts are more a little bit to, to, to be honest about getting it in and then getting people to review it and be interested in it if that makes sense. So it's a slightly different emphasis. I don't know if that helps. Great. Yeah, that's really helpful. II can't see any other questions. So I don't know if anyone has any other thoughts. I just put my email in uh the chat on me. Um feel free to email me off uh with other stuff. If if I can be of help, I'm happy to, I'll put in the chat and zoom as well. Um Yeah, I hope that was uh helpful. Um Yeah, and we've got a few. Thank you in the chat, so I'm sure. OK, cool. OK. Uh great. All right. Well, if no one has any questions, I appreciate. It's just gone half past. Um, so I'm happy to end it there. I'll put my, um, email on the chat. I hope that was very helpful. Uh, um, happy to, um, yeah, as I say, help reach out. It's just, you know, kind of everyone's research journey is different. Um, it's difficult to do something that's vague, um, and general for everyone. Um, but I think it can be helpful to sometimes unpick and, you know, kind of whatever research of what a market is looking for and things on that side. So, II hope that was helpful. I'm happy to do another one at another time on a different topic if you find that helpful. Mhm. Great. Thanks guys. Thanks everyone for joining. Take care.