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All right. Hi, guys. Um, welcome to our finish. My conference. So just let you know we are live streaming from a zuko. Um, and we're just checking right now, is it Should be working. All right, it's working. We are on your life. Okay. Well, come on. Uh, a conference, Um, and I will hand you over to green office. Hi, everyone thinking so much for joining us. Welcome to ah, first ever Phoenix medic conference. We're very excited, toe. Have you guys along with us? So my name is Purina. I'm a third year medical student in Cardiff on Torme's Hi, guys. When I am in charge is I'm a 30. My student in college University as well. I am one of the logistic meats often makes mad at. And the call organizer of this conference with Polina. Okay, so thank you so much for joining us. Um, we hope you can see us here. Us. Everything's good on the other side. So we thought we start you by telling you guys are a little bit about what Phoenix med it is. So Phoenix made. It is an international fellowship off medical students on junior doctors from across Cardiff, Namibia and Zambia. Our group provides a unique opportunity for collaboration across continents while promoting global health education. We connect individuals do webinars and small group discussions by hosting a variety of social on educational events, which I'm pretty sure you guys have all attended prior. And then I'm just going to show my screen, you guys, so that we can come on right, the new one second. Perfect that we go take Trump's. Oh, yeah. Sorry. All right, So, um, six months, it was actually born at the beginning off the condemn IQ and the team in the Cretaceous been growing ever since. So the Phoenix that was born out off the things project when medical students and junior doctors from three respective countries, which is called if Namibia and some beer, um need is the desired decided to collaborate internationally on medical education, increasing a fellowship. As a result, we'll still probably won't. But we have done so far, and we hope to continue with you guys supporting us and joining us in the Phoenix community. The aim off this conference is to explore the healthcare experienced from the prospectus off medical students to trainings and working doc this in the three different countries, we are hoping to give our audience a deeper insight into training stages while comparing two different structures and lifestyle pools in the respect of how can have care. Systems arranging webinars and Trump's has been arranged A. To ensure that we encouraged as much engagement and discussion with our audience in the conference. There should be a chat you guys have on the side of your screen where you can put all your questions in during the vent, and we will be having a Q and A session in the end off every single talk that we have throughout this day. So before we get started on to the, um, Webinar, I thought would introduce you to the team behind the scenes off Phoenix Met Ed. So we have a bunch off enthusiastic healthcare students on junior doctors that are working very hard to deliver engaging webinars interactive events. So, first of all, we have Amanda on Matty, who are co chairs off the next med ed. Then we have, um, Wenda and Anthony, who are, um, hum be indeed. Then we have Nathan on pria who are carted feeds. Then we have violet until you, who are Namibian year. It's Daisy Omar up, out, trick up to reach leads. And then we have a local. And Marais who are designed, needs charms. And I said, I'm logistically on T J on three as our social media leads. So that's the bunch of us it behind Phoenix Med Ed. So yep. So welcome to Day one. As we've said eso, the conference is spread across two days. So today's day one Saturday and tomorrow is date to Sunday. So it goes from one PM to 5 p.m. U k. Time on two PM to six PM Namibian and is Ambien time. So for our structure's over day one, we have, you know, experiences about Mexico enduring med school. And then Day two is about experiences on experiences after med school. So, um, we have our time tables of the agenda here for today, though, Have a look at that. So we have three avoid been ours, and then we have a workshop at the end talking about how to use social meat media as a um, how to use that. Effective you as a healthcare student or health care professional on we've done a social met. Listen. So, media. So for you that, um, works eso next slide. Okay, so we're just gonna go through some housekeeping rules, Please keep your mice and videos off. Unless request that, um, as always, you know, we're doing the life stream. Just injury to show, um, appropriate usage of the truck function, please, on zoom. As far as he met a platform, Carina and I will be monitoring the trap. And we will be posting questions over to all speakers during the event. Any inappropriate question would not be addressed. The police people freshener and kind of volunteers and speakers today signing questions. Endotoxin work shows today That will be a communication and each talk. This event will be recorded and we'll be available. And I use that channel as well as our met. All page after the event is over for you to wash and later date, we will be keeping the feet back form open for a week after. So you will get a certificate attendance. Once you complete the feedback form and the and the conference people form will be released tomorrow after we finish today too. And just the disclaimer the views that expressed by sneak this involved in our events are entirely that or opinions and accounts off personal experiences and do not representing the views of any university. So So, um, we have amazing speakers lined up for the conference. Very next slide your next night. Is this because, uh okay, yeah. But, um yes. So we do have amazing amazing speakers lined up for the webinars. So I have a cup of coffee, a cup of tea, some snacks on, um, enjoy learning about the medical experience that cross three borders. So our first Web web in awe is about life in medical school. So we have three amazing speakers lined up for that S O offer. Speaker is Lynette too, I presume. Most of you know, as she is a 50 or medical student hearing Cardiff, um, university. So if I stop sharing on, um, Lynette, you can turn on your video. You might can start presenting. So your protein I just checked. Um, um, there's one person in the waiting room, and I don't know what that this, You know, I've made you co host, So you're able to share perfect. Hi, everyone. I'm just trying to download my presentation. So while we're just waited, my name's Lynette I'ma. Finally a medical student at Cardiff University on. But I just wanted to say massive Thank you to be next med it for invited me to come and speak. Um, Andi, I'm looking forward to here in the rest of resident A shins. That's, um okay. My lot of share. Screen? Yes. I've made you coho, so you should be able to Yeah. Okay. Can you see? Okay. Yeah. Before screen. Yeah. Perfect thinking. Okay. Um, how I again? Sorry. Say yes. I'm, um Lynette Orlin on day. So what I was asked to present, um, at this conference, I wondered, you know, what kind of stuff did people wouldn't hear about? So I thought are just basically take you through a timeline off my time at Cardiff University, and it said What kind of activities I've been I'm getting up, Teo, since since then. So, um, I'm a graduate. Entry medics. So this essentially means that I did a degree before hand before I joined Cardiff, and I started it. I went straight into second year card. If you diversity. So I did my previous degree at the Invest your South Wells. Um, Andi, I did it in medical sciences. Eso second year was a bit of a challenge for me. Um, you know, I'd come in from dinner previous degree. I wasn't really sure what medicine was about. And I kind of had to adapt how I was learning and study in. But I had an amazing time. I made new friends. Um, and I started to enjoy my course a bit more. Um, so then in, um, at the end, towards the end of second year, I decided that I wanted Teo Um do you care which is like a longer TUNEL Clark ship in a rural place in Wales? So I picked avaricious with So the picture you can see on what is my left it might be your right is of a seaside west well's town called Upper is with. So this essentially meant that I, instead of having the usual brought placement in hospital, I was spent most of my time in a GP practice on de century. Kind of like learning about rural medicine. In that sense, I did go to the local hospital a well to do a few sessions, like hospital front Door, which is basically they keep stuff. But during that time, I had an amazing time. I went with six other medical students. A swell. There's a picture of us or smiling and happy a register start are pinnacle years. It was an amazing experience. I got to learn so much about myself. Um, and I think one reasons why I did do it was because I found that being a medical student, there was so many of us. I think there's about 300 people in each year. Cardiff. And, um, I didn't feel confident in my abilities. Toe learn like pinnacle stuff on placement. So I thought, Why not go to a Mavericks with where things were a bit more way things were in, like smaller groups on, Just to say, actually, try and, um as I go along. And it was one the best decisions I made because I came back, I d. I finished. Yes, really a lot more confident in my abilities. A Zometa cholesterol did intent. I learned so much about myself. I was also part of that camera's wells. Why was the treasurer for acne on? I think By the end of third year, I was ready to kind of start challenging myself in doing other things and get more involved in societies and things in medical school. So in in fourth year, I was the one of the academic reps from my year s. So I became I joined med sock eso. This involves essentially, you know, relay in V back from students back to the medical school on a 10 day in different meetings and stuff. Um, I also formed a student lead initiative called My Dear On Essentially, this was a group of myself. It's, um, friends that got together and we kind of wanted to improve, like EDI teacher I/O at our medical school. Um, on through this, I'm working in collaboration with other societies. Such a chips at calmer Med sock on Cardizem. Medics on some of the staff at Cardiff University, we set up a brace Equality task group to essentially improve. Was it called racial equality in our school, So this would this looked at things like decolonize in the curriculum. We put on a race awareness day as well, where we got stuff for students to come and learn about cultural competency, learn about how to be an active bystander and also learn about different types of microbes in so that, yeah, we can improve. The experience is for medical students on but culture on placement and off placement as well as a medical school. Um, a swell. And so then, from there I I'm now in my final year. Um, on it. It's been a bit of a journey so far. I was elected medicine president at the end of the last academic year, which was great. A I've got amazing committee on. We've been putting on quite a few sessions and we plan to put on a few sessions. A swell I've been I've also feel do my UK epi application, Um, and rectal the Dean Aries s. So this is like the kind of areas that I want Teo do my F one F two in in the, um after final final year on. I've also presented at different conferences. So I presented at the Demon Conference on the Brighter and Sussex Medical School. Conference on this conference is my third conference this year so a Z can see I've actually only been presented for not that long, So this is just building up my foot folio. But it's been definitely been an experience on dimes still learning along the way. And I've also been accepted to start a high education fellowship program. Eso This is essentially a program which looks at, um it looks that improve in, um, on encouraging students and whether that's PhD students or students at any level to essentially become a fellow and improve teaching experiences in higher education. I start that in January on, and I'm looking forward to it. But, um, I know that is going to be a challenge on top off other things that I've got going on, Um, a Z well on just end things off. Um, so look into the future. I get asked this question a lot in terms of what specialty do I want to go into on? I always say that I want to kind of keep my options open. I think we don't have enough. We don't get much exposure in a low 30 plus specialties that are out there. So I think it's a bit early for me to know what specialty I want to go in. Considering their pros and cons for any specialty they want to go in. So for me, what I focused on is my passion is my interests. And that's things like health, economics, policy make ID, medical education, leadership and management on. But that's what. So I tried Teo challenge myself toe improve my skills in those. Like I'm quite keen on learning to code. As I feel like the direction that the health care is going in is going to become more text me and I think as future doctors' or conditions we need to be able tomo adapt are skill set on that or skill set so that we can improve healthcare for for everyone s. So that's when people ask me, what do I want to do? I tend to focus more on those kind of stuff instead of saying, Oh, I want to be a cardiologist or GP I I am interested in emergency medicine and general practice, but, um, I don't know. I might decide to do something else, so yeah, that's the end of my talk. I hope this was helpful. I think we're going to save questions for the end. Um, is that correct? Uh, yeah. so, um yeah. Thank you, everyone. Thank you so much for that talk. It was nice to learn a lot more about your journey. It's a very interesting, unique one. Not a lot of people take that path. Really? Really. Um, So I was safe. Questions for the end. And now just move on to our next speaker for today, which is Cassandra, who is from Namibia. She likes to thank you. Sandra. Hear me? Yes, yes. Hi. My name is spend, uh, screen. Um, yes, she's should be able to know. Yes, I think you should be able to know. Yes. Oh, just hold on. Okay, so, yes, as introduced, my name is percent of blocks time. I am a final year medical student at the schools medicine at the University of Namibia in Namibia. Um, so it's just going to start with the little introduction. I'd like to thank the representatives of Phoenix made for finding your choosing me to speak at this form off. So mostly my foot will just be what it's like to be a medical student here. Namibia and with the University of Namibia. And how are day today? Life goes in our rotation schedule. And just, like a no overview off my journey in medicine and where I'm at right now. Okay, so with the introduction, um, well, I think it's I've seen Yes, I've been wanting to study medicine since I was about eight years old. And I remember the first time I was asked by I think it was my father. He asked what you want to do when you grow up, and I said medicine on since then. Like I said, I wanted to be a doctor. And since then I've been on this journey being working towards that and currently on final year. So it's it's remarkable to think that I make this decision when I was so young and I'm still I'm still working towards it. Uh, and then there are nice. I started medical school immediately after high school. I went in from finishing my great 12 here to starting as a first year medical student. The samples from high school to university was quite a week. Why did, uh, it was it was an adjustment. Um, and then overall, throughout medical school, I particularly have developed an interest in me a maternal I'm your little health on health systems management. How off the health system is managed in Namibia, looking at the administration on how the good governance can provide equal Careful my motel, My personal moto's be the best you could be. This is in whatever you do. Whatever you try, give your best so that you can have a better outcome. So at the end of the day, whatever the result is, as long as you have the Surete, then I did my best on one of my favorite quotes is wrong alcamid on When he wants something, the universe conspires in helping you achieve it. And I really believe this. Like whenever you make a decision and you're working with in your passion and your purpose, everything just divinely alliance to help you reach that, Um, Currently I have the Cross representative for the final Your medical students. I I've been cast representative since our fourth year since the fifth year on this just entails working with management and pictures and coordinating on be working with them for any meetings or anything that regard to the students or my class. Particularly recently, I've been, um, looking at the final year exam time table and it was quite a challenging time because there's so many adjustments that have to take place and so many moving parts. But I guess we've reached a sort of consensus while finally exacts 20. I'm in my lawsuit, a shin, which is obstetrics and gynecology before I have a one week break in and I have my final exams. Okay, so the rotation schedule at of the University of Namibia, particularly full final years, is that we have five weeks psychiatry, five weeks to the Africa, then we have about 10 weeks internal medicine, 10 weeks and obstetrics and gynecology and 10 weeks in surgery aside said previously, I'm finding obstetrics and gynecology for the 10 weeks of internal medicine, Obscene guy and and surgery. It's a continuous 10 weeks, which gives you a better off critical exposure time for you to settle into the ward of the department that you're in, so that you're able to be more comfortable and confident in how you treat your patients. So, uh, typically day off me of starts. But like this is mostly for the clinical years. Also the fourth years of 50 years in the six years at the university So for me, printing off statics and I me it starts quite early after the at the hospital at about seven o'clock. That, for me is quite any. I'm not a morning person, so it starts early. I get there and I have to see my patients for the day in our local patient or examined my patients at about eight o'clock war drawn start. So we have would runs I have. It's teaching more drugs, which are quite long because if there's a patient with an interesting case, we would discuss the case. And that would be questions us just to test our clinical and fear of theoretical knowledge. Um, and then a We can have walking war drugs. The's walking award runs. It's just moving from patient to patient, giving a summary off, how the Patients Day or how the patient is doing on that particular day. Um, and then also part of our typical day is the outpatient clinic, where if you see patients that are just coming I/O patient basis, patients that need follow ups or admissions with the attorney Currently, I mean the gynecology would at one of the hospitals and Central Hospital on D. I would have to admit a patient for theatre on, see this patient for the day and just work up the patient to prepare the patient for the next day when the patient goes in theater. Then on few days, um, you go to theater early. You have to be their present, your patient to the surgeon so that you can get an opportunity to assist, which is always nice to see the follow through off a patient from when you first encountered the patient admissions to when you're in theater with the patient and then after that, the follow up from that. It's quite it's a good learning experience to start with the patient, and then they have to discharge the patient successfully. Um, otherwise, we also have bedside tutorials, which is very it's It's a fundamental towards our learning because we have case based learning where we have a case coming, we collect this patient and then without a drunk lectures, we we are able to better learn. Or but I understand that case because the patient is here in front of us, so we supplement what we read in our textbooks to the patient and then we have ah, off most afternoons or some afternoons we have to Torrey ALS This is done. I didn't. The skills lab or intellectual whole on the story is often tedious because afternoon retired. But it does help. Consider date what we have experienced clinically or practically with some three month irritable vision. Onda, we have skills workshop kindly, uh when that we're doing the emergency obstetric and neonatal care of skills workshop. And this just tells us approaching set in, um, emergencies, obstetric emergencies in your nasal emergencies and having a clinical approach to it and being able to react well in emergencies in the evenings of the I don't call a PSA final year student, we expected to do 12 hour call. So this is from 7 to 77 am to seven PM or seven PM to against 7 a.m. These 12 alcohol's are quite, um, quite intense, but it prepares us to what's after, which is internship. So it's a good learning experience and good exposure clinically on either that or the on call, you rest or you study with the studying. I've prepared a little bit on what I would do what I do personally to study and what my study plan is and what studying methods. I use the picture. One of the pictures down below is actually a very good example of my study method, which is using different sources and making a summary off that and then later revising that, but with just a new approach as a medical student been approached, or just any student on approach to study and should start with having a plan. So you need to plan. What are you going to study, like first plan the time that you set aside for studying. So schedule it. I have a schedule. You can have monthly schedules, weekly schedules or daily schedules. Um, so you said that time aside and you're like, you discover you already plan what topics you're going to cover. You plan how much time you're going to spend on these topics on the environmental. Studying is very important. At our campus, we have a library and study rooms. The library has quiet rooms we can quietly certain study. I'm not fun for a library studying unless I have very little time to study, and I need to focus most of the time I would study in my room. There is the rooms that we can book out to study in these rooms. You can have your groups, that is, sessions groups, that decisions are especially helpful when you when you just have to revise or when you have covered all the topics that you can. Still learning from your colleagues of classmates and walking, working together with them to cover topics that you wouldn't necessarily cover in the same amount of time. So you have a faster pace and you discussed it. So you brought concepts. Foster so good studying is very important. So you figure out your environment and that's what you stick to a stationary. I put it there because I spend a lot of time trying to figure out what I need in what stationary. And if I don't have a color pen, it's what I used to progressed in eight. So I always make sure I have all my stationary ready. Um, what study material that you're going to, um, use Sorry for that. That's so with medicine. Because medicine is constantly moving and we're trying to do case base management, off evidence based management and learning so As medicine moves you, there's new information coming and constantly. So you always need the latest updates for management or the latest updates for a clinical plan for particular cases. So it's very important to have access to your lectures that will be able to tie okay. Know there's an update of guideline for the management of a particular condition and accessing that material. There's also very important. Because of the end of the day, we need to be able to give the patients one of the best care, which is evidence based medicine. So the study material mostly resource it from our lectures textbooks on down textbooks on dumb, whatever presentations that we have prepared as a class or as the lecture has prepared. And then before you said, you need to decide what topics you're going to cover. So you put down your topics, and that's what you're having the set time, Um, for me, my study miss it is quite, um, I just read different sources, and then I make a summary and in the summer is when I revised to when I'm closer to the chest or closer to the exam, it makes it foster to the point where I don't really have to go through extensive a month off work or extensive both of different textbooks when I have such that films, um, a little time to study. And then, like I said, the study method is individualized. You know what works for you? What doesn't work for full for you. So if you're someone that can sit for two hours straight, meeting a textbook, great. If that works for you, I'm one make summaries, revise it, and then have group study sessions. But also important is taking study breaks that and then you're starting to do something that is completely unrelated to medicine and what you're apparently studying I just to help refreshing mind on, um, important part of being a medical student is sorry. It's so important. Thought I believe off any student as medical students particular is having her balanced life. Overall, your wellbeing read physical your your physical health, mental health, you spiritually health. All this adds together for you to be a better student for you to be a better explanation. All that has to be in balance. And whenever there's an imbalance, you are unable to focus on your academics unable to focus on yourself, even windows and in balance, off these. So we cannot just always be focusing on our Khadem ICS and studying constantly in the library. We're constantly having to read. You need to take time to look at your physical health. You need to take time to think about your mental health and your spiritually health. For me, an important part of my life is my spiritually health, my spiritually Lation ship with what? I'm a born again Christian. So it's very important for me to make sure that that part of my life is balanced to make sure your mental health is violence by spending time with myself by spending time with my loved ones on my physical health, I do not exercise at all, but I do occasionally take walks. But it is important for balanced life. I know, Um, once there's an imbalance, it's just you cannot focus at school. You cannot focus anywhere else, so you overall performance get creases when you haven't been violence life. So you need to give attention to all the different aspects of your life, not only academic, you need to be looking at your social life. What are you doing? You spend time with your loved ones with your friends and you need to be looking at your physical health Wellbeing. Are you eating right? I know most of us will Me personally, I eat a lot of junk food, but I try to balance it out, especially with now working towards the end of the year. I try to balance what I'm going to eat. Just to help help my body regulate letters. I'm moving into a stressful time, which is my exam. My final exam period. So whenever there's a imbalance in your life, what you need is good coping mechanisms, um, for coping mechanisms. What I do is I do the things I love. I love to bake. I I love to cook. So I would be baking cakes or cookies just to help me. Destressing I try. Try something new is one of the suggested methods for coping as a student and in our environment, it's such a highly stressful environment. Seem to try something new, something out there just to help your mind so decompressing all the pressure that you put on yourself. So one of the things also do is I spend time with my loved ones. There's so many students of us who were studying falls and home. So by spending time with your loved ones, this means a facetime pull. This means a phone call from home talking an hour to your mother or your civilities. And I found for me personally just talking to my mother for one hour. It relieves me completely. I feel much better and uplifted after I've spoken to my mother. And then the physical physical activity is a good coping. Make mechanism. Um, you can go running exercise. I remember with my fifth year final exams just before my exams, I tried, um, some exercising and running on. It did help. I had improved energy. I was able to better concentrate when I was studying because I had relaxed my mind where I could really focus on what the topic was that I was covering. And one of the coping mechanisms that is advised and that most of us should do is self care. South character, me, anything from journalling to again. Like I said, doing what you love. So all of these coping mechanisms help you have a balanced life And if if you have a balanced life, you're able to achieve better academically and you're able to grow as an individual who had medical school. Because medical school is a career path, often times we're so narrow minded to just think about the academic aspect of our life. So focusing on different aspects also helps you grow in those areas and makes you come out of medical school wholesome individual instead of just an academic, and then kind of just say thank you. And this is a picture off my finally across my classmates that I'll be graduating with This was at the end of ah workshop week that we had done for emergency 10 and emergency medicine. So we had an intense week where we were just focusing on emergency situations and emergency care of four adults and Children. And it was it was a learning her for all of us as a class, and we were through that. Currently we're all in our final rotation, just looking towards finishing off our world books, finishing off our rotation and focusing towards our final exam. After our final exams, we have some time off and then the internship starts internships. Internship is a two year period Where you again? Mostly, it's clinical based, where you're in the hospital, practicing as a doctor doing your internship and then also the two years and you're able to follow whatever path. But you would like to follow. I like I said, I haven't interest in maternal on your little health. So if anybody asks me currently, what would you want to specialize? And I say obstetrics and gynecology because, um, I don't know. I just even right now when I'm kind of in this rotation, I am. I'm happy. Have more relaxed, even though it's such a Nintendo rotation is because maternal health is something important to me. It it's something I enjoy on. But I love babies. So yes, thank you so much. I hope you learned a lot and also hope to learn a lot through these two days off the conference. So yes, over to the host. Thank you so much, Cassandra. That was amazing. A lot of good tips as well on I definitely agree with the stationary stuff like I'm like you. I need particular ones and particular color. Thank you so much. I, um I would like to introduce you to our next week. Our, um Mango. Who's from Zambia? Um, Mango, if you'd like Teo? Yep. High, uh, high. Thank you so much for speaking, um, at this conference for us. Are you able to let me make you go host and you can share you screen. Okay. Thank you. You should be able to know. I think 100 over to you. Okay. Thank you. Good afternoon, everyone. Um, I think, um, it connects mated for this opportunity to get my task It very easy. I'm simply talking about life as a medical student, which is my leg. So it's going to be very easy. Right? Um, getting into it until you get up on myself. So far, my my name is my calorie and 25 year old. I was born and raised here and was like a zombie, a 17 medical student at the university example. So I'm in my final year and my final rotation. I've always been interested in stem from a very young age. From the time I was in primary school secondary school, I was involved in things like Jacks. And that's what I remember. Um, what made me choose medicine. So I would like everybody else who decided to become a doctor in our ones. Yeah, when I was full of I know, I decided to come and doctor just after my great 12 because I believe that if you're passionate about something, you tried in that area. So I'm very passionate about women and until your bone medicine. And so I looked, um, I decided to go through the stain my career way out, make a very big difference in the air of women and new one medicine. And so I decided to set off from medicine. And I think I'm very happy with that decision now. So I know we have people here from the UK and media, so I just want to give you a little background about how medical school and many medical change in is done in samba. So I personally got into medical school in 2015 after doing my headaches are levels. And, um, I finished a good 12 in 2013, and I did a levels from 2014 to 2015, and then I got exempted into the school medicine, so I joined my college right now in second year, and that's how I made my seven years. So my first year was a little more Cheney and admissions in same A base one point spaces. So I just want to give you an idea of how it's done here. So usually in first year we have about 1000 people who come into the school Natural Sciences. That ones are, um, want to do medicine, right? But then, as you're getting quoted in second into the school medicine, um, I remember I made, uh, Internet. They only took about 200 people. So you can imagine the stress that people go through to work hard and just to make it into medical school. Out of 1000 people, only 200 people. So people really have to work hard and make them medical changes and a total of seven years, which is broken down into four years off, preclinical changing where you do your basic sciences, after which you attend a degree in human biology, which I have. So I have one degree right now and then on extra two years of clinical changing, after which getting a bachelor medicine on surgery degree, which I mean my uh, I'm kind of my finally doing. So, um, medical students face many challenges in, um, through their training. But I just picked on five, which I felt very important for me on that I personally face. So I just, um, challenge is such a number one balance in my work load, especially in preclinical years. You know, when you're doing your pre clinical years, you have your basic science is your pathology. You are not to me, your former quality. You are not to me. So those are so many questions, and then they're all about. So I really found it. Had to balance my life in quickly. Koreans. Um, number two is finding it. Showed you that worked for me. So you're coming from class. It's usually in preclinical years. You have class from eight am to four PM and then after that you have to come back to your room. You have to cook it. You have to sleep, you have to eat. And I really found it hard to find this change. So So we like studying first and then sleep later in the evening. Why sleep and then wake up to study. So I found that I had and the feel failure, which I know every medical student has going to before, Um, imposter syndrome, especially in my clinical years, Clean Korea's right now in the beginning of my clinic way. So So that was people on six year. Um, I always find myself questioning myself. Am I really educated with these? Um, I, um, well, being here, especially when I'm being asked questions by consultants. And the last one with this is been out. So questions were feeling tired cause to be feeling went out on How did I do with these challenges? Um, so the biggest thing for me was sitting priorities and sticking to them. So knowing what's important when medical school is not for, like ends, right? And then after that, you continue with your career. So I had to know that right now they think that I'm supposed to be doing its medical school, and that was my first very to most of the times. And then I had to stick to that. So, um, most of the times in medical school you find yourself having to, um, put a lot of things. That side's a lot of plans at your friends outside just to focus on your medical changing and coming up with realistic to do this, especially daily to do it. So I'm a perfectionist, and I always liked I went when I have to do list. But then, in my pre clinical training, I found myself working with any realistic to do this so I would usually make like, a list of topics to study anomic 10 topics that attend huge anatomy topics. The study after class. So this is when I know about four PM, and that's very analysis can always forming. So beating myself up. We're not doing what I'm supposed to do it because I was making unrealistic Good. So when I defended start making me a list it calls, Um, I've only talked doing better in the changing time for extracurricular activities to destress needs, including, like sleep. So admitted was school. Sleep is an extracurricular activity, so you have to find time. So you should. You I found myself making sure you saw you that out, usually sleep from eight PM to about one AM in the morning, and then I studied all the way up to six, and for me, that's what worked and then developing a healthy response to failure. And by failure here, I don't mean I'm failing a module feeling, of course. You know, I mean little things. Like when I fell to answer your question that I've been asked on a wild round or feeling a little test out. I always found myself getting myself up, but, um, when I found a healthy way to respond to that those little pale I found something between med school and then visualize in and expecting success. So I remember between our fourth and thinking we have a graduation for you to put your clinical skills at your clinical years. So between four k times for me, for kids, the hardest year at when you're doing a medical change in. So I remember I had to in pork. It was so hard, and I was feeling a lot of tests. But then I I went and got my prescriptions for my graduation, and every time I would find school, very had out. Look at those and say, I'm going to add you on my graduation then that really helped me last, but not least, and I feel like this is a very important one is a mentorship in person, mentorship and online platforms also. So I learned to speak to Doctor is what? When I had told me and speaking to people who go on ahead of your really helps because, um, it shows you that you can actually watch. Trying to Artane is very attainable. And even on online catacombs such as I follow people such a doctor, Laura squat from America. People like Dr Pamela from Thought Africa and Dr Laura is what helped basically general whole life from med school. And now she's training and she's done has specialty changing, and she shows how how she 100 each and every stage of her life. And I kind of easy when it's one of those people I know that I'm actually on the right track. And then, um, what advice? So I have to a medical student on weight, like violent the first and most important piece of advice, this time management for me. I found that when I was able to manage my 24 hours in a day, I was able to manage schoolwork, and I did very well in med school. So those 24 hours a day I met, man managed to set times. That's for each thing that I'm going to do, and I put it out, claim me, and it made life easier Self awareness. So you should be able to know, Um, when you're not fine, when you can go on, we are not working hard enough, so you should know has hoping. Have to know when to push yourself when not to push yourself going to lay back and went to, um, work harder Taking care of yourself. Eso This includes physically, mentally, emotionally in all aspects. You should rest when you need to, and this actually helps reduce and dirty and stress, and then also creating time for your hobbies. And do not let one aspect of your life stuff at the expense of a never so what I mean by letting one asked me to relax up at the expense of another. So if your score is affecting your personal life and you're fine, you're so stressed you find yourself constantly tired than your score. It is affecting you at the other part of your life. But the white cells are also works, so make sure you find your balance where your social life is okay and your score is also okay. Um, what are some of my greatest lessons from medical school? I learned how to be, um, but betting. I really love how people really let you into their lives. And it's very humbling to see people later into a light like that. I really learned. I feel like that's something that I've learned that's also helping me Another aspect apart from medical school, other aspect of my life. So being socially, physically, everything else, I learned how to be impacting I was a lady that I'm capable of doing anything except my mind, too. So before I actually reached my final, Yeah, I never really thought I would reach here from France here looking, um, the path the way looked very, very long, and it looked unattainable. But reaching here now, I've seen that I can actually stay my mind to anything I decide to do. And that is that makes me excited for the future, because I know there's nothing that I'll set my mind to do that I want to. And then it also told me that hardware actually pays off in the beginning from first year to second year 2. 32. 48 to 50. I didn't really think what I was doing was actually going to show any fruit. But now, looking back, I can see like, oh, okay on that can finally see the finish line because I'm in my fourth and last rotation or, um, my 17, which is my last year. So now I look back and see. Okay, So all those gets or working hard and putting oxidant things has actually paid or in my last lesson, is that it may seem like a long journey, but it does come to an end on the end. You always in the beginning of a new and exciting Jen. So thank you so much for listening. That was the end of my shot, but And we've presentation. Okay. Thank you very much. Um, Minga. Hope I said your name, right? Very sorry. Oh, Okay. Uh, I think you very much for a story. Um, right now, we're just going to see if there are any questions in a chat audience. Um, so we've got a couple or comments, and there is a question. So everyone say thank you very much. Uh, it talks. It was amazing. Um, so we have one quite well. I got a question. Um, Endo asking does America, This is for Cassandra. There's a medical school in a maybe a emphasize on having a good life balance in medical school. And do they have many sources off support for students? You got to like to turn on your video. So funny. Uh huh. Can you just You beat the question again? So a minute is asking, That's the medical school in the mid. Be a emphasize. I'm having a good life balance in medical school. How many? Yes, actually, we we do have ah, student counselor of that has sessions. I think about three times a week. Or you can just contact her via email. There's a counselor for the university that you can contact. As for the balance I remember, I think it was in my preteenish years in our behavioral sciences class is not true. I'm remembering correctly, but they always emphasize on of the signs of burn out how to detect yourself to know when you like a like a previous speaker was saying that when you can go on and when you call in June, when you're stressed. So there are teaching, and every encounter with clinicians, especially the technicians, would encourage is to have a balanced life and say that no, you need to be focusing on other areas of your life besides the academics. So overall, as a community, a Zometa cholesterol, we do encourage balanced life. There's a gym on campus. Um, it is a private jumbo. We're able to access it and there's student discount. So we have That is the gym. We have some free creation, all activities also that help encourage us to have a social life with covert. It has been quite difficult, but recently there was. There was a dinner dinner evening at our campus full. The students that stay in the residence on it was also one of our social calendar events that we look forward to. So there is an encouragement off having a balanced life at our campus. Definitely, very nice. Good to know that, you know, just lose across different countries are giving out, you know, different types of support, and we have another question for Lynn. So then there's a question that's actually two questions asking how health food. Do you find a system off early clinical placements in the UK medical schools And do you think they provide you a good insight into becoming a doctor? Um, can you repeat the first one? And they wouldn't do the first one first? Mtp uh, how hopeful do you find the system off early clinical placement in the UK medical schools? Um oh, yes. So I think it's really, really helpful. Teo get only exposure early, right from the start off medical score on. I know that card. If they really emphasize that with your wanting you to placements a swell, I feel like a lot of us before starting medicine have really unrealistic expectations of what it actually means to be a doctor. Most of our influences it tends to come from social media, movies and TV's, and we all know how an inaccurate that is. So I think, um, get in the only exposure, even just familiarizing yourself with how the hospital dynamic works. What sort of teams are involved on whether that seemed like the nurses, physiotherapists, occupation therapists? Um, you also learn a bit about hospital management and you kind of understand that there are different levels to be in a doctor. So, like the junior doctor, how is a junior doctor different from the consultant on, then the middle? Great. The middle grade, like shr is and s h o z, um, megestrol those. So I think it's good to have only exposure gets you, um, kind of think, er by what specialties you might be interested in on just essentially familiarizing yourself with hospital dynamics. I hope that answers the first question. You get it? It kind of answers. The second question is, uh, the second one. Sorry. It was just us a Mentos often. Do you think they provide a good insight into becoming adult with that? Yeah, definitely. Definitely. I think he also kind of get to see what sort pressure's doctors and nurses and other healthcare professionals are facing on. I think that's really important as well. Yeah, I definitely agree with you and not, uh, we've got time for one last question. So this is a question that was actually posed in on our instagram. Um, So someone asked, What do you think is the biggest? Grow back off studying medicine in your country and this is a question for all off. Our speaker's here for this weapon on. So, Cassandra. Meaning, uh, that you guys can Cheers. Move. Okay. Do you go first? The central. I know he's a second. We're going to order speaking. So is it. So the biggest drawback off study in medicine in our country's is it? Yes, sir. Yeah. Um, biggest drawback. This might be hard. Um, I guess maybe the financial aspect of it, um, so get in into medicine isn't always the cheapest thing, you know, But, um, if you can afford it, like, but classes go on these preparation courses s so that could be quite expensive for students that might not be able to afford it. And then, I guess once you do become a doctor, a zoo. Well, um, there's a conversation about Hey, uh, I'm not sure what day is like in other countries, but I do hear stories that is not the best in the UK, but that's another conversation for another day low. Gosh, um, being Cassandra. Oh, Okay. So the biggest drawback off studying medicine in my country um I would think, um, it would be the clinic now in the hospitals because it's if you look at the state hospital is currently in our country. The situation is not as great. There's always there's not always equipment on, um, like equipment and goods to serve it to help the patients went. So it doesn't matter if you're the best doctor in a country giving the best care if you don't have what you need if you don't have the medication you need. If you don't have the equipment you need to help save this patient's life. In the end, it is. It is a big drawback, and it is also it affects you as a student or as a condition practising in the country about the healthcare that you could give because of how overall the health system is managed. My country as a health system, where it's it's free health. Careful on with that, Israel back stays challenges that we face, so that is a drawback to studying. But overall you get a very good exposure to medicine. Um, so I think the biggest drawback is the hospitals and then also the effect studying medicine has on us and individual your life, your social life, your relationship with your friends and family. There's a lot that you have to sacrifice to study medicine. Um, I think this is for any in any country, so those are the drawbacks. Thank you. Um, I think the biggest drawback exam be at the moment is the numbers because we have very few teaching hospitals. So, like, here, waste their cycle, which is the capital city, we have to teaching hospitals, and then we put the number or medical schools. And so when it comes to our clinic or changing, we find ourselves and we have very few specialists also, so we'll find ourselves with 1 1000. And we have, like, a group of maybe 30 students who have to live from that consulted and do rounds in the hospital and in the clinic with that consultant. So I think the numbers are very big job at the moment. Okay, so it's quite interesting, cause that's very high. All the drawbacks with in the countries all different. So it's quite interesting to see you know how it's different in UK number beings. I think this is the whole point of white. You know, we're having this conference of people to be aware off these different aspects. And, like, what are the changes in each country? Um, but due to some time constraints, and we want to try and keep it the schedule and we actually insert all of the questions that we've had now so possible to say thank you very much to our three amazing, insightful speakers who have delivered your story and share, um, some, um, eating tips. Hopefully, our audience appreciate it. A lot of them to see, you know, some helpful tips. Wonderful inside. Amazing talks. A lot of good times going on here. So you love to see that, Um, so feel free to, uh, you leave. This is, um, called and join our life. You on metal? We'll just be having a break. A short break right now. And we'll be starting our next, um, talks at 2 p.m. U k. Time, which would be three. PM Namibia and some be a time and we'll be talking about minister health during medical school and help available. Okay, so we'll be We're just taking a shot. Two minute break and feel free to go in, go to toilet, or get the couples on tea or water, and we'll be back, guys. That was a very short break. Um, I hope you got cup of tea. Water, Anything on? So thank you for sticking around. Um, so our next Webinar is about mental health during medical school. Now, understandably, this is a topic that includes information that may be sensitive. So if you want to drop helpful this on, then come back for the rest of the conference. Feel free to, but without father do, I would like to introduce you to offer speaker who is Doctor Samuel from Zambia. Doctor Samuel. For that, I I, uh I'm just going to stop sharing, and if you're able to, um, share your screen, There we go. Uh, yes. Yeah, yeah. Thank you so much on you. It's the high guys, um, you know, going to be talking about mental health, your medical school. And, uh, I chose this particular, uh, tight so that every mind much is for a reason. And, um, yeah, I think because of the notion that you know, idea training of the student health, You know, many people have this perception in that we tends to be immune to the very thing that's you know, where trends to cure people from and prevent people from so which is not consistent with whether actually goes on. So that's why I chose this particular hiatal that every mine matter, including those off people who are training to be custody of health and health professionals. They change to be a doctor. A mess of working in the medical field. So yeah, and my name is Doctor. So much in number can see training losing my residents increase the atrix Almost done. Actually, that kit were teaching hospital example And, uh, yeah, so I'm just going to show with you some of the mental health issues that I first and then I observed from, you know, division studies During our medical life. It appeared, So let's get into it. So indeed, just cement it help matters. And it doesn't matter for everyone. And the purpose of this presentation, like I did two is to basically I like the issues of many to help in medical school and why it's an important topic of discussion that we must know my life to talk about and to raise my awareness about it. So because you know, like the host of other day to mental health in the race sensitive thing, which shouldn't be the case because, you know, I like the way Cassandra put it. You know, as a medical student, you need a balanced life from both from your physical, your spiritually and your mental health. And that's what defines with mental health. Bill about so must normalize this issue because it was much insensitive. I think it's a very cardinal topic of discussion, seeing the consequences that it has had the cats and yeah, so that's that about Uh huh my interest and wanting elect. Highlight also is that, you know, medicine is tough. I think I'd like to congratulate all those are ecstatic medicine does it have completed? But I think they can adjust that it was felonies, the road. And, you know, you expect it to endure these long hours long years of study. You know, you have to endure the pain and all the hatchet that comes with it. And you know the funny things that we expected to do all those things without showing any for more feelings against tips or even complain. You know, it changed to be like this so called beings, which in an actress since we're not so yeah, And let's talk about the behind the scenes, the real stuff. Um, you know, some of the things that people go through behind closed doors. Some of the things I went through, the ankles, my time in medical school. Um, on. You know, the thing about mental health is that it's it's not something that you can easily pick up the way we look at physical science, physical symptoms. Uh, some of these things money first, when you're, you know, behind closed doors when you're behind the scene, when no one is seeing, you know, some of the stronger ones that you go through and you close it and yeah, so there's some of the things that I highlighted some of the things I went to prison. Some of the psychological stress is that I think, as a medical student, we face and first use this cream packs to show that, you know, these are not thoughts that say it out loud. These are things that we battle with within. And yeah, so, like, the first thing is, you know, I think this is one of the things that also heat me. Really really had that. You know, as you said in you medical school, like for us. And I'm diabetic plate. My area colleague stated It's seven years and, you know, it's a long her appeared. It's ah, long room all across there, physical and emotional. Yeah, and one of the things that I think many people struggle with is, you know, seeing the same people that you finished that say, you're high school, you know, succeeding because we see most of their courses short course of like they do for years, the programs and stuff like that. And, um, your fourth year still doing between in court and you find that the time you're getting inject weekly is it would have started, you know, paradoxically, airline, some people get jobs. Good. We're getting Merrick's. And, uh, yeah, and you see your friends accident. I mean, it's not an easy thing to handle. Many people don't talk about this thing is that we just look at, um and just you know that with this things inside and, uh, which is the truth? I mean, it happens. But, you know, the main issue is how the copy of all this stress is so Yeah, it's zero thing I mean something that I went through. And the other thing that I was highlighted back to feel feel medical school has so much expectation, Bench. Just kind of for Phil. That's the way it's designed. That's a little cyst it back. So that's so. It's a huge stressor at you. Psychological stress on everything is you know of those points where you reach Just say that I can't do this and just not questioning yourself. You know, they're like my I like being post this syndrome. Is that questioning? Um, I think the right field, you know? Oh, they think in June Medical school. What Not, But you know the stresses and talk a bit more about how we can cope with them. And, uh, yeah, sometimes if you like, You know, no one can understand the street that you go expression your PS have to show your family because they're not in it. So there is always that feeling that, you know, you feel like you can understand what you're going through. And the other things the exaggerate comes in medical school there. Oh, from making presentations, you know, being put on the sport things like that. All of those places. Although the psychological stresses that, you know, I think have a huge tour, I'm in to help. So, yeah, um, the incidents were meant to help. Unfortunately, I think this is something that we need to work on and insomnia. We're lacking a little research on this, uh, around this area to help. And we don't currently have any statistics to show the incidents of mentor units is among medical students but worldwide like this that it would have been done. We show that, you know, depression, anxiety been out and substance use among medical students have been shown to be three times more common than the average student in these other fields. Oh, yeah, and some of the respective. These are some of the things that a came up with. That I thought of sale case. Is there something with the respective that's really pretty despondent, having mental health issues momentary Even if it's a mental breakdown, it's first of all, the high stress cause it's each medical school is has what's, um cause that's that's really you know, true. Ah, yeah, You too, um, cracked down and find your way around me personally. One of my head is stressful questions nearest neuroscience and your sense? Well, something else. So the other courses that really demanding this takes a huge stress on our mental health. And what is the risk factor? The other thing that all the highlight is the high expectations or the full month, like you're expected to be the best you expected to do your best. You know, expectations. Really, Just from the South, acting clinical practice is just Yeah, it's a bit too much for for from medical students. And the other thing is a competition, you know, among the difference today, but also has it tall. I know I'm going to help. And the other things also bullying. I'm doing clinical practice. You know, uh, this is something that we commonly face. I think during our our clinical addition to doing presentation and things like that, you know, different consult kinds of different personalities and, yeah, some, you know, come out, you know, and put you on the sports, you know, read it Enoosaen. And that's a form of bullying. And, you know, when you go back on the students, you know, if you didn't realize you feel like Okay. You know, um, I really in the right field and things like that. Maybe a month. Thankfully, it's something like that. So I know some of the risk factors that I just wanted to highlight it. And that was the thing that I went through personally doing a medical school, which I think has a toll on my mental health. And there's some of the barriers to opening up and seeking help. First things first. I think when you're facing all these issues off mental stress, psychological stress feel like you're going through a mental breakdown. You know, many people don't know been up on being so imprisonment stuff simply because one the stigma it's just here is high, especially. You are sitting in Santa, you know, coming from the back one where you know you're raised in a coach. Oh, really? Think that's you know, once you open up about how you feel about your feelings Oh, big stress in a certain way, you know, actually has a mind, you know, it's seen as that sign of weakness. So it's something that, um, I think growing up has had the any impact on So the stick mites is quite high. And then the other thing that I fear, that's you know, it will be long that someone help. You know, no one wants to be labeled. That I get is another issue. No, not the label that all done. Excellent. This one went to the psychiatric department. Stick for helping what's not so that labeling is what people avoid and these savings barriers to really for people to actually see Cuban open up about physicians. And the other thing is, you know, having a mental illness is not is it's never a mark over proof, You know, you might, for example, like if you're skiing or you're doing sports and then you know you get an injury, you go to the hospital. You know things like that. That's the fact that you're doing sporting activities. That it's one of the month is a sign of approval. But with mental health issues is open up. Many people don't see it as a sign of approval on a little red events. Many students from opening up about these issues of some of the things that they grab you and then the other thing, like I love it, too it's perceived as a sign of weakness. So many people tend to self improvement themselves. How about these things? And, you know, just die inside with this strength of so the consequences of that, You know, some of the things that we saw, like so personally people school that people were holding up on these things, you know, started to self medicate substance abuse. I risk areas emotionally eating someone just tend to put using some liquid stimulants. Yeah, like, drag like Okay. And they think like that kind of someone who never used to and down in his activities from where they're coming from, kind of after Medical Square, specially when people reach their equal years behind that people began to change. People begin to abuse. Substance is better to engage in his behavior. Emotional eating ends a stimulant. So there's really need for, uh, much data around this area to really you know, truck people became that pinpoint. Exactly. Wait a went wrong. So on some of the things, some of the respective the psychological distress that comes with medic core school, so yeah, actually, share this court on. It's something that is very permanent to make the story when I started my mental health awareness, even as a medical student, because I just instead of because of one people going through. But good personally, you know what? I went through a medical school. So it's a really begin to succeed in our lives on the problems and heads off. Others begin to matter to us. Yeah, so I think last year, Electricidade, that's you know that's normal. Let's talk about mental health, even have medical students. Yeah, silent sex. Pretty the truth and then to open them. I'm glad that they're when it's a mental health has chicken. This uprising, this generation, which is a good thing, which is a positive thing. Let's take advantage of the ads and let's not hold on to, you know, certain issues that are stressing us out. Then, toe, open up. You know, identify support groups that you think you can open up to and, uh, yeah, and fight this battle together unless the end of my presentation. Thank you. Uh, think like I was told, I think the question would be taken at the end. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you very much for talking about this on the same on hope, everyone. I was able to learn a lot from a talk. And yes, it is a lot of pressure, you know, being in a nursing. So now we're just going to move on to our second speaker, and then we have ah, Jenny. Righty and off the webinar. So, Doctor who? Well, here it's high. So just introducing our second speaker for a wedding on today is Dr Hill from Namibia. And you're representing plus smell. Okay. Can you if I see the screen? Yeah. Since it's so I'm not the hill on, I'll be just disgusting on some into health in medical school. So who am I? My name is should deal. Car is a new pill. He graduated from the university. Off them appear School of Medicine in in t 17. I completed my internship program in the year off 2021 and currently on with me medical officer at the psychiatry department and I around me off 2021 actually really, ever so passion for psychiatry. And I would really like to specialize in the field hints. Okay, just some background. So wh Oh, do finds health as the state of complete physical mental and social wellbeing, and not merely the absence is being that we should treat our patients holistically. That's like considering the physical, mental and social wellbeing. And so if we want to treat patients, we should also be able to treat ourselves and be a way off our physical, mental and social well being. Ah, mental. The streets and mental illness has been about identified in undergraduate mean medical students, and it is a metal of concern in both developed and developing countries. Um, some epidemiology. Actually, there are some research articles that I've been published, my only in the developed countries. There is a global prevalence off depression off drinking 8% off. Medical students will have depression, mainly females, and this variation is across all academic year, so we're not really sure, like if it's mainly in the first years or in the second year or in the final year, but off note off the medical students did percent will develop so suicidal ideations as well as um feet. Females are more likely to seek help in the males, whereas the males are more likely to commit suicide and the females in medical school. So the risk factors for depression, anxiety and stress in the medical students. So there's your miscellaneous causes off mental distress. This is like a mucus is off depression or anxiety, death of a loved one for social support, financial strain of burdens, especially cause medical school is the very costly those two studies. So there's a lot of financial strain on students as well, and also then, like death of a loved one, especially from the Baron side. If there's no social support or the offer ends and stuff. So already, this predisposes the student to having a mental illness during medical school, then also the transition like this under mentioned earlier as well. The transition from high school to the first year of made a sudden like it is a big jump from the high school curriculum, too. This was Sunday, so liver's that there, too, that medical students have to adapt to and then also the transition to the clinical face cause. Initially, in medical school, we first start off with your basically basic sciences and then later on we move into the clinical face and in this exposure to seeing, for example, stick patients, patients who are like dying or death off patients in trigger, um a reaction and cause mental distress in a medical student as well as like lack of communication skills. Studies have shown that lack of communication skills also predisposed medical students to mental illness in the saints off not being able to communicate with your seniors, not having the freedom to communicate with your seniors, as well as not being able to communicate with your patients in the saints off, like knowing how to really break the bad news and now you to communicate and discuss the conditions to the patient's. Then finally, one of the biggest sources of mental distress in students is the academic two months as well. No medicine is one of the most difficult course is to study in the world lovely and the ease of our PSA lovers that has to be covered in a duration off time. So this can cause a lot of the stress and anxiety within the students, and then also frequent exams like so students will rather study, need to pass the taste instead of studying to really consider actualizing to understand the knowledge because of the frequent exams in the frequent dates that they are having, especially if it's in the clinical phases. Now we're they're doing different rotations, and maybe they are in the rotation off psychiatry, for example. But then they are still having to write exams for surgery and then also inadequate feedback. So this comes not from us as the senior doctors who are in training medical students. So if we're not giving feedback or adequate feedback to the students so in this can cause distress as well to the students and in the lack of time. So time management is very important trying to cover now this where syllabus and still trying to do self K. So then later you will, because you have to achieve your goals. Most students will write the focus on trying to finish and achieve the girls instead of doing also the South Kayin prioritizing into the balance life like a syndrome mentioned. And then, um, then we can talk about The fact is I can contribute to the student well being so a grading system. So instead, like a doctor, several mentioned the competition amongst medical students. That is really the so um, studies have shown that instead of using the system of saying of the student past with 80% and the other student past with the 50%. Rather just say us or fail. That is a shown that this improves the mental well being on students and prevents this competitiveness and this form of bullying amongst the students and then also providing clear learning objectives to the students so that they know that this is objectives that I have to obtain for this curriculum and to achieve these goals and then different teaching strategies like we're all different individuals. And each individual has different learning methods, as well as understanding and conceptualizing something that is being talked to them. So as healthcare professionals and as teaches in the system, we should try to problem based learning that has been shown as effectiveness and even small groups studies instead of the lost larger groups. Yeah, and then self efficacy in critical reflection that is very important. So as medical students, it's very important to reflect on what you have studied. What you haven't studied in what you need to study, and you can improve on yourself and to be self away off. Yeah, the syllabus in itself and in a vertical curriculum. So studies have also proven that these benefits off incorporating early clinical exposure to medical students. So while they're busy studying the theory or it really busy doing the basic sciences with this, this is another net. To me, this is like the basics off the clinical subject. Starting off with the surgery absent gynie to really incorporate exposure to the clinical fields. This helps the student to conceptualize and to put the puzzle pieces together, and it allows them to study better and then longer do. Definitely little is This is basically, um, for example, when you go out into the districts or into the regions, uh, like community based education. Here's some studies have shown that the community place education allow students to develop these coping skills. Actually, and it is actually been effort at the University of Normal, where we actually exposed to community based education from a early staging, I was said you already were sent out into the districts and into the regions where we have to go and work, and this allows the student to Coke and two adapt and to broke like learn positive coping skills and then also studies have shown by promoting professionalism within the medical student for the future as a medical doctor that this can also prevent the mental distress last part. How, like stress management skills, this is very important. Um, many of you guys have actually mentioned on it, and it's actually very important. And I'm so glad that this has become well, no, because those years or like in 2014 2013, when we were studying and also in the University of Namibia, the School of Medicine had only opened in 2012. So we were the third group. I was in the third class. He's me. That started. So there was a lot of stress and no one really mentioned all of these mental health, a witness in the fix that medical school can have on the mental health. And it's only now later, as the school has grown and matured, that they have provided now the support and realized, like the importance of providing the social support and the educational support from the lectures. And as Mentos is so very important for Self K, did you do some exercise their valve diet? Do try and get some sleep? I know it's really difficult is a medical student and even is medical officer. To get some sleep and time management, we try and plan your things that heat and to make sure, like okay, I have so much time for this, so much time for this and to make time for yourself and to make time for your family. Meditation is also very important, as well as mindfulness. Is allows you to be a way of your emotions to be a way of your physical well being. And in a friendly social network these days, social media is very needed like it has. It's been efforts like being able to communicate now on this life screen. But then there's also some negatives where you can be able now to compare yourself to other people that have achieved more with the new currently, and then self limitations do be a way of your thoughts and do not be if needed himself. In conclusion, basically, a good physician requires the sound. Mental health did not turn increased compassion, professionalism and tolerance for the patients. Thus, medical students who require the support from the seniors and mean these are just my references of the research articles. These are most majority of them. Thank you so much, Doctor Hill. That was amazing. Undocked to some. Your husband? Well, it's mental health is such a sensitive topic that a lot people on, you know, people society people in medical school are really, I guess, afraid to talk to someone about it on but seeing all your like, top tips about how to deal with, um, mental health. And while the medical school is really nice to hear and it's really reassuring because we're med school right now and to see you know, you guys as practicing doctors that you guys also still use those top ticks and thank you very much. I think if we we wanted that your name now, Um Okay, so, um and it says thank you for the great inside stop the same or I think everyone has created. Stopped. Has thought is speaking a lot more about mental health, lady. Especially because of the pandemic. Do you think people's awareness is better now on what do you believe are the problems are still persist? Um, yeah. Thank you. Thank you for that question. And, uh, yeah, I think the only minutes has really gone up, I think, from looking back from the town of stool in medical school and post call it. I think there were no, it's a mental health is really going up, which is a good take energy. Yeah, but I kind of still like testing some issues that adjusting, preventing the awareness to move, like go further because every one of my biggest things from my own personal research that I've done in like in Sam BIA is this culture that's like, for example, are I'll give an example like when growing up was a kid, right? Mostly boys past was with foods, you know, to be Strewn told the boys don't cry, know And all those things were nature to grow, to grow those things every now adult which, like things are at the back of my like imbedded in are some questions that even no matter, the pressures help ships. No matter the mental stress that I'm going through. Like you know, I'm told not to cry. That's what I thought like I told to be strong. So, you know, that's why this is this is proportionate statistics. When comes the incidents like a doctor here would say, Like you know, boy, I mean, tend to compete more suicide there up. Was it sex? And the other thing that, you know, growing up girls are towards to not keep to themselves even when they're going through a tough time. You know, as a young lady, you find ups. This is some of that upset, you know, they're told to lend to open up to the system of the anti. Um, something like that. You know, when friend young German locked themselves up in the room independent the mother come in or don'ts. Don't carry yourself like this. Let me open up to people. So they find it a bit more easy even as they grow up to open up about this thing. But more hum in. It's the opposite. And this is the biggest barrier that actually like Zambia at their own. But other countries. But is is the biggest seeing so far that way. Yeah, Yeah. Thank you. I see that Doctor Hills agreeing with that is you have any more you want to add? No, I totally agree with that. The same way Said culture really plays a big role. Especially also you're in a Maybe a on these. A lot of stick McCain's mental illness, and especially against mean and that phone that shows the form of weakness if they show signs off vulnerability. And we only starting to realize that this is actually forms of mental illness. And we're starting with the mental health of weakness, like even celebrated mental Health Awareness Day the other day, the date of October and, yeah, so people are becoming a bit more we have, especially now, actually, with covered, um, mental health of mental illness has actually increased with the cover it bend Emmick. So this has also made people now more way off. Depression, anxiety, posttraumatic stress disorder, acute stress reactions. Yeah, definitely. I think there's a lot of factors. So such a gender culture, you know, unprofessional. Well, because we see patients ourselves on way have to be the stronger ones. You know, we they don't We have to be from one for all patients. For the Yeah, exactly. And in the background, we have to make sure that we are. I got a mental health is stable and in a good place because we're the ones that can care visitations. And if we're not stable if we're not in a good mental health than our delivery of care gets affected. So it's really good to see you know, the ways you guys have given for us to manager through, exercise through journaling through, you know, spending time with your family, talking to someone it helps on. But I guess in awe. Union card. If there's a lot of support services available for medical students for medical doctors, you know, for anyone who's struggling with the math and health that it's been put in place and definitely have seen increase in the exposure to them or, you know, knowledge about them. So, um, I think we had a question for Doctor Hill. So what other intervention besides the community exposure? Has the University of Namibia incorporated? Yes, Um, I think it's under touched on that idea, So they have started now with a counselor that comes in and then they also have a psychologist also at the main campus, and then also because I was students rotate through the psychiatry department so they come to us and we are. So then when they run through us, and then when we're giving our elections We emphasized the importance off South a importance of mental health importance off attaching yourself perhaps to a mean, if you are struggling and the importance of seeking help and not do feel stigmatized. And currently now, even within our department at psychiatry, they is that freedom. And we are treating actually, some medical students also. So they is that spaced off freedom and that space off safety NUS and Leap students can come for the US at the psychiatry department in, um, a beer. Okay. Eso violet says great presentation to both doctors. All such related off risk factors in your own personal experience. Do these tips actually help you deal with the high stress environment that is medical school? Yeah. Uh huh. Wow. Okay. Is, um okay, so during medical school for me actually use that actually didn't really help my medical school teacher. And it was actually a tough Just before I started, my mom passed away, and then I decided to rather stay number, be hard to study year and in while I was young. In my fourth year, my dad had also passed away, so I really had to go through a lot of stress and stuff End, actually thankful to the psychiatry department. Cause then I had rotated through psychiatry and then they had picked up these things. And then where? The topic on grief and bereavement. And then this is where I realized all the things. So and then through that, that is where that I implemented the meditation, the self awareness and the importance off Southgate. And like I enjoy, like gardening. It's been time with my daughter and long baths warm baths up. Yes, it's very important to do that, and it actually does help. It's not easy. It's not easy, but it is important. And you really have to make time for that. And especially also maybe to see how to go and talk to a psychologist, you know who's also experiencing day, for example, like I had a transference reaction so into my clinical years. Now where was exposed to death notice like sort of brought back my parents states, and then I had to see a psychologist for that, and that actually really helped me. So definitely the's stops actually do really help. It's just a a difficulty implement, but just push through and it will work out definitely. Thank you. I'm Doctor Samuel. Uh, yes, yes. So I can justify it to some of the like, kicks up. Really? Help me during medical school, That number one that put on the next is exercising. It's really helped me get those the stresses of medical. Maybe. And, uh, I remember this one time like I had a body hasn't. Yeah, it's really a terrible A. But okay, I'm going to the gym with my car and things like that. I thought it looked better. My mood was posted and things like that. And this is some of that wax and carried on Went you today? I still exercise and routine the end when I feel stressed out and then I'll feel better. And the other thing that I think really helped me was talking about the issue. That great. So I had this friend, a couple of friends that I found it easier to go complain about it, Say a bad about presentation. You've had a difficult cannulation and, you know, you feel so low and like disappointed the patient, all that stress would talk about it openly, and it really helped. So then the other thing that I found that with my speech activity during that few medical school. So, you know, a general go for the first six and attends Bible studies and things like that, and they really helped me for me. I can testify. Those are some of the things that really got me through. And it's unfortunate that I wish I had the opportunity to talk to, um, like a mental health initiative. A psychiatrist is because in November we have very few psychiatric specialist. Yeah, so it was difficult to have access to that. So but the biggest, um, I think that really helped me get through it. Yeah. Thank you. I think you guys have both raised a great point, which is talking about It helps, um, door. Because when I have, like, bad days, you know, on placement or just in general, and just talking to someone who understand you really helps on, um, you know, it's it's great, because you they understand. So you you felt you feel you feel like you've been understood by least someone you know. So that's good on. Also, I feel like on the, um, sort of mental health, Like support services, there are obviously increasing number off those becoming more apparent now, But it's also about the person. Do they want to, you know, get helped. You know that it needs to come from inside. Are they motivated, or do they want to get better if there is a lot good services being available? But it has to come from within the person as well, if you like. That's one aspect of it as well. Um, can I just quickly say on that sometimes it's a very It's very difficult to really have that self realization, especially medical school, because you're in a maybe A, for example, we're pressurized so much like or sometimes people choose the medical career, even because off society prison, because of parental pressures and not really that they have a passion. So then that's already weight starting off with. And then, while they already in that, it's very difficult to acknowledge what even realize that they are even having a problem. So that is why it's not have a good, strong support system. So then perhaps the friends will be able to realize, like, Okay, bye, green eyes, but off now and stuff, and maybe we need to reach out a bit more and into motive. I Polina to go and reach out for help and to go and seek help and stuff. So yeah, and it is very difficult. And also because of the stigma. And it says And also because psychiatry in the medical field is judged actually. Or it says like it will become as your patients in the scenes. So even like here, for example, in our department. Like the surgeons surgically departments, they really don't really care about psychiatry. They don't ever acknowledgement for psychology. And they just say, You know, you just have to be strong and you just have to do it But it's a bit more complex in that and it's not really always a sample is it is because I attend of the data is still a neurochemical imbalance in your brain. You exactly. Um, thank you so much, Doctor Hillel, end up the same way. Uh, if there's anything you guys want to add and you last minute things and he, um no, just thank you for the opportunity and the platform. And this is so amazing. And I would love to join in future because we didn't have. This is medical student. So, like a 80. You guys and all the base there. 1 70. David. Okay, so now we have a 10 minute break. Um, so that was the final off our webinars. We have a 10 minute break now, so until, um, 2 50 s. So after the 10 minute break, we have a social, a medical meeting way. We thought with quote one more webinar. Um oh, yeah, we go to 50 restarting it to 55 kg time and 3 55 movie in Zambia time. Um, that would be a panel style discussion about international opportunities in medical school. So we'll see you guys back here in at, um 2 55 okay? Times and 3. 30 Thanks.