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Okay. Good morning, everyone. I hope everyone can hear me. OK, we did a tech test earlier, so it should be all good. Welcome to the 2023. Preparing for ST Three. Course. Um, I hope you all ready to get some interview practice in. Um, it's a very, very fulfilling course, and you'll gain lots of experience from experienced faculty members on how to excel at your interview. So, um, best of luck with the interviews themselves. Um, sews just has started you Clickbait. That's cool. OK, so the way this is gonna work so we'll have a bunch of lectures this well this morning leading into early afternoon about recruitment and the various bits and bobs that are worth knowing, Uh, the S t three interview, um, and into ST three as well. Such as how life is during s t three. How to make the most of your experiences and s t three and beyond. So these are quite exciting. And then after that, you'll have some mock interview practice with dedicated faculty members. Just a few points before we start. Please make sure you check your allocation and attend that exact time slot We've given everyone an hour's time slot with a faculty member, and so you'll have that time to ask questions and having to practice to ensure you perfect your technique. Um, the other things are we also have a networking room. So if you want meet fellow candidates, um, and just, you know, have a little chat, have a catch up, meet new people, then that's available as well. Um, if you have any questions and do pop them into the chat, we will be monitoring this throughout. If you have any tech issues as well, then please get in touch. Um, otherwise, without much further, we do. Um, I will introduce our first speaker in a few minutes time just to try and keep the schedule. But our first speaker is Leo Watson, and I'll get him to introduce himself. Uh, I don't need to introduce him. He's absolutely fantastic. Good morning. Thanks. Vas. Very generous. Uh, so, yeah, I'm Leo. I'm a surgery. I don't think we can hear you. Just say Oh, turn off. My friend says it should be on. Okay. It worked in the brick. One second. Okay. Everyone can hear you. Perfect. That's why I carry on. You okay? Yeah. So I'm like, I'm I'm a surgical reg over in Yorkshire and the Humber at the moment, although I've actually got an intermediary transfer back to the Northwest. So that's another point that we'll cover a at some point later on. But the first talk this morning, it's going to be about a bit of a recruitment update and the kind of the process of application. Um, so without further a do here we go. So recruitment into the update for 2023. So I know that we have applicants from a variety of different specialties here. I've been I've had a look through. They're all quite similar, although the timelines are fractionally different. So some of you will be further forward in that timeline, your interviews will be almost imminent. Some people have it into you a little bit later on, maybe in a couple of months. So I've used the general surgery timeline. Um, just because that's, you know, similar to what I did is it's what I'm familiar with. But from what I can see, having had a look through that they're all very similar. I'm sure you know a lot about it already. For the majority of you, I'm sure there in that process at the moment, but we'll go through it anyway. So there's a few websites that you probably do know about what you will need to know about. So Oriole Health Education England have quite a nice website. There's a verification portal, Um, and also each Each specialty has a Dean ary that is the lead for the recruitment. So, um, their websites are quite useful and tell you quite a lot about the process. So Oriole is an application portal. This is where you have to submit your application and pretty much everything that you need to know about. Your application is on there. They have a document section for each application that explains pretty much everything. Um, so it's a good website. All of the communication, um, surrounding your application, any changes to your application all goes into here, you use it for then your preference ing and then accepting offers. The only kind of downside is it's a very, very, very busy website. There's loads going on in it, so sometimes you can get a bit lost in it. I found, um, I used it from a court surgical training application and then from a specialist application, and it is quite busy. I still don't think I know how to use it properly. So that's why I've included the other websites that are a bit more straightforward and explain things maybe a little bit better. Um, so yeah, I would strongly suggest you become familiar with this as soon as you can, so that you can try and make sure your application runs as smoothly as possible. Health education. England have a specialty recruitment website. This, I think, is a new thing in 2023. Um, it's a nice website. It's pretty, pretty straightforward. It's quite easily navigated, and we'll answer almost all of your questions a bit frustratingly from a surgical perspective. It doesn't actually have all of the surgical specialties on here. I think it only has general vascular and plastics or something like that doesn't have. ENT doesn't have orthopedics, so it doesn't have your specific timelines on there, which is a bit frustrating, but these little boxes that you can see a really nice and really straightforward to use, so I would certainly recommend you have a look through it. If you have any questions, it's quite good, but not perfect. As with everything, Um, And then I think that most specialties will will use their certainly general surgery do. This is the health, education and self assessment Verification portal. So this is where you have to upload all of your portfolio evidence. I think that the general surgeon general surgery applications are in the middle of this at the moment. This opens during the week this week. So you get sent an email with a log in that specific to you, and you have to put all of your information, uh, into here rather than I don't know where mine is rather than the traditional traditional portfolio with mind in a big stack of stuff over there. So instead of having a nice, big paper folder that we used to say to an in person interview, this is all online Now, Um, in using this, I would recommend that just as with the paper portfolio, you make it as easy as possible for the interviewer to go through this information for them to be able to give you the maximum points possible. So be really clear in how you label the information. So if you had for four audits putting audit one them the title audit to them the title. If you need any supporting information, you can put audit one supporting information title just so that it's as easy as possible for the interviewers to get through this information. Because, as you can probably imagine, they get through a lot of it, so they want to be able to give you as many points as possible. Help them out. So a bit about the recruitment timeline I've used general surgery. An example on the left. As you can see on the right, there are some different dates for other surgical specialties. Um, I think most of you will probably be in the process of the application already. But for anyone who isn't the applications opening about November time for most of the specialties, Um, and then once you get long listed, you have to update that you have to input all this information about your portfolio to try and get shortlisted for an interview. Obviously, that's why most of us are here today to talk about the interview in to do some practice. But after that the oral website starts becoming a bit more, uh, a bit more active in your life. You get lots of emails, and you you have to be on there quite regularly sorting out your preferences. So for those of you who've done court surgical training and I think it's very similar in the foundation training, it's a little while ago for me now. But you have to go through every single job within your specialty throughout the country and rank where, where in your list you'd like that to be. So that's your preference ng, Um, and you got to think about a couple of weeks after that. And then, uh, at some point, hopefully you'll get an offer. Um, and then you get a couple of days, uh, or five days here to say, Do I want this offer? Do not want this offer and then you give you an upgrading cycle, which we'll talk about at the moment. So, um, with regard your interview, you'll get a message so it comes through as an email. But it's also it's just an email from Morial to say something has changed on your profiles. You log into Auriol and they'll say, You know, you've been offered it into you. You have to book a slot. I think it looks like all of the specialties again are doing virtual interviews. No one's doing it in person again just yet. It's a first come first serve thing. So I think, uh, I think I was at work when my email came through at 10 o'clock and I didn't see it till four or five. So lots of the slots are already gone by then. Um, don't worry about it. Just book a slot whenever you can. Um, they do use different scenarios for each sessions at each morning each afternoon. Um, and each day, Um, so it's not like, you know, you're going to be a disadvantage by going first on a Monday morning, whereas someone on a Wednesday afternoon might have heard about it or whatever, so that you know, they do a good job to try and make sure that it's fair for everyone. You're allowed a pen and paper, which I would encourage you all to use this afternoon to get used to writing down some important piece of information that you can then bring back to your interview. because you get a few minutes at the start to to write that down and you're asked to destroy that information. Some people make sure that you tear it up in front of them. Um, one thing to be aware of from a kind of a practical perspective, if you are a bit tight if you still leave you been two courses. Whatever your interview should be independent of a study. Leave allocation, so you shouldn't have to use any study leave to have, you know, half day off or whatever it is for your interview. Preference ing. I touched on briefly, a bit background. There will be a document. Unfortunately, I couldn't access it on your ear because I don't have a live application for this year. But each of the applications should have a documents somewhere that explains what the indicative numbers are. So that's how many how many posts are expecting to have for your job in each region for the year? Um, so I can't remember exactly how it works. And I was I think they were almost bang on with the numbers that they were able to offer, but it'll give you a bit of a flavor is to, you know, if there's only one job in the region that you want to go to that year, obviously it's a bit more competitive. It's a bit small on here, but the region I'm going to in Yorkshire there were 19 jobs this year, so it does wax and wane. You will have to, as I did hear this a screenshot from my preference ing. You have to rank where you would like to go on the right hand side. You can put if I definitely don't want a job in this area, and it would be, you know, waste of everyone's time. You can just put that straight in there if you want to. So I did that for a couple of regions. I definitely didn't want to go to. So Yes, once you hopefully get an offer, you get a text. Actually, it's the one time the Oriole text you and I'll never forget that. And it says, you know your status has changed. Um, so you log back into Oriole again. Um, and you can either accept the offer that is given to you straight away. You can accept it with upgrades. If there are other offers, um, that you would be more preferential to you that you weren't offered in the first instance, or you can decline totally, and that would then take you out of the application process. Just a side note. There are very specific circumstances where you can defer and offer. It's rare. It's obviously a case by case basis. Um, there is some information about it on Oriole and Health Education. England. Um, it's Yeah, it's not a routine thing by any means for people to defer an offer. So it would be very specific circumstances about illness, maternity leave, things like that with regards, upgrades. So this is a process that happens about two or three times in the short kind of 48 hour windows. So, for example, I accepted my offer with upgrades in the first instance, and then you have a 48 hour window where everyone can mess around an oriole. You can change your preferences if you want to, and then it all locks again. Wait a couple of days while the computer sort itself out and sees. Has anyone dropped out? Are there any spaces for you to move up? If you wanted to hire up, and then it will send you another message again in 40 hours saying your status has changed and then it'll tell you, if you've had if you've been successful in getting an upgrade or not again, it will walk again and you'll get another one in 48 hours. And you keep doing this little cycle for a number of times until everyone settled down and then you'll be given your final job. Um, which here. So this is when the complete when when the upgrade phases all done, your job is secured. Your information is then passed on to the Dean Ary, who will then get in contact with you, usually reasonably quick within a few weeks. And I'll say, You know, welcome to the Dean Ary. Here's the next steps pre employment checks, the idea or whatever. I'll just go back to this. So this is a bit more about how your your website looks like you can see on the left side. Here is all my messages. So these were you know, all the preference ing updates that you get quite regularly, but all of the any information any change to your status. Anything is always in that messages. So it's, you know, it's reasonably good. And on the bottom, there is just a bit of a timeline as to how things go along. And it will update, you know, in progress and completed depending on where you are in that cycle. Um, so that's everything. Long and short of it is, uh oh, really is quite a good website. It just can be hard work. So, rebbe password get logged in and have a good play around. Make sure you're familiar with it. So it doesn't stress you out too much when the time comes. Good luck. Yeah, Brilliant. Thanks, Leo. Thanks very much for your time. And that was a fantastic talk. Has an introduction into the ST three application process. And what happens from the interview point and onwards. Does anyone have any questions for Leo? I can have a look at the chat, and then we can ask him the questions. Okay, Leah, we've got our first question. If you get upgraded, can you reject the upgrade? Can you see those questions as well? Yes, I come through. So I I think Joseph's question is, if you get an upgrade. Could you reject that and go back to whatever you had previously offered? And the answer is no. Um, so you can only go up. You can't ask to go back down. If you wanted to reject that offer at that point, then you would be rejecting any offers, and you would be back out of the out of the application process again. Um, so you can only go upwards, not back down. Well, okay, Um so we've also got another question, Which is, Is there any way you can play the ranking system to best maximize the chances of getting a job in a region you'd prefer or avoid getting a job in an area? You really didn't want to know? What really? That's a good question. I thought about this loads of times. You know, Is it worth putting this thing up high in that if you actually try and break down how it works, it really doesn't matter what you put where Just put your preferences there because, you know, lots of people might want to go to an entirely different region of the country. Um, and their ranking, maybe almost entirely opposite to your so it really doesn't matter. Just put your preferences fingers crossed. Obviously, you get the best score as possible. Um, but there isn't any way to really play that system at all to try and improve your chances in a certain area. No. Brilliant. Thanks. How soon after evidence upload Did you hear about Interview is the other question. I do. Good question. I will. I'm doing the talk later so I'll actually go onto my oral account because I can see my old messages. So, Hannah, I'll go onto my Auriol account in between. I'll find out for you. Um, I'll let you know later. I'll write it down, actually, put it, um, once you've done that. So the question from Isabel, um which is, if you only rank a few regions and don't get offered a place in the first round of job offers you still included in the upgrade rounds or taken out of the process, you know? Yeah. So you saw I had the blue box on one side, which is all the ones I had ranked. And there was the gray box on the right hand side, which is all the ones I decided to reject from the off. If you weren't to get any of those blue ones and you only got one that's rejected, that's a good question. I would presume therefore, that you don't get a job. I don't see why you wouldn't. Potentially, You know, you should be included in the in the upgrading process because you've not You've not rejected a job. It's just cause you've not got one. To be honest, I would probably suggest that you keep most of your region's in that blue box. You may as well rank them because if you get a job and you don't want it, the worst thing you can do is just say no at the end of it. Um, so I would probably suggest keep more in the blue box unless, you know, you definitely do not want to go there. But I think you should get included in the upgrading process because you've not said no to those other jobs that still in there, and you could potentially get upgraded to them. Um, so I don't know that specifically, but it would seem sensible, wouldn't it that you got included in in that upgrading process? Still, Yeah, absolutely. um analyst says, do we find out closer to the time when the preference selection post interview, uh, comes up? Do we find out I'm not quite a bit? Um, do we find out closely? Question. And when the preference election posts interview come out, I'm not sure what that means. And Elise, okay, we'll come back to that. So, um, any other questions? Um, does preference ing only happen once, or can you re preference at some point? So once, once you enter this preference ing cycle, you can change the order of your jobs If you'd like to. Um, So when they open up this 48 hour window, you can mess around with where your region's go, and then it gets locked again. Uh, so be aware that they're very specific about, you know, this will be open until four o'clock or whatever it is on the 28th, whatever date they choose, um, don't leave your preferences all over the place at 5 to 4. Because you might forget you might be busy. Whatever, Uh, very, very specific about that. It will be locked, and there's nothing you can do about it then. Brilliant. Yeah, absolutely. so I'm just giving us another question. So, Okay, when do you get to preference Post Interview. So I think, actually, if I recall, I didn't write it in this here. You actually might even preference before your interview. Let me see if I wrote it down in here. Uh, no. Yeah. So here is. So the preferences opened about two weeks after my interview from my timeline. They've not released for general surgery. At least they haven't released the dates that the preferences open just yet. But I had a look, and it was two weeks after my interview last year. Now I did all of my preferences, and then I didn't hear about the score from an interview or anything like that for a little time. Um, but to be honest, even if you do hear about your score, you don't know about anyone else's score. So it doesn't really matter. Um, so yeah, it's about two weeks. Thank you. It was about two weeks afterwards. Another question is, can I just add my preferences without putting anything as great? Yeah. And I would recommend that you put the vast majority. You rank the vast majority in the blue. I just knew I didn't want to go to Wales, so I put them in gray. Um, next question regarding interview stations. Is there a station for portfolio ethical session, etcetera, in addition to four interview stations described on Web page and this person is applied to urology. Okay, regarding interview stations, Is there a station for portfolio extra sessions? So I'm not absolutely sure specifics about the urology application. Um, I couldn't look into, you know, each of the six or seven different specialties and how they all apply for today. Um, so they they're usually very transparent about how the interview works. And there will be a good correspondence and document on Oriole, the general surgery application. Sorry that this doesn't necessarily apply to you. Has one clinical one management of one portfolio slash career discussion station. I would be aware, though, that often there is a bit of a crossing between them all, you know, as with anything in life. So, you know, keep your keep your wits about you. That there may be ethical issues that come up in a clinical station, for example. But usually the portfolio station and any discussion about careers and What have you It's kept pretty separate to the other stations. Brilliant. Um, there's another question, which is about the end number. So this is the number, Uh, most of you probably found out the, uh, that divides your score. So I'm not still not sure that I understand the end number thing properly is there is no clear guideline for it. So, for example, if I've completed a PhD in surgery, would these years be counted for the end number? Yeah, I would have to have a look again. Exactly. Um, and the the guidance that they give you and the documents on Oreo, I think is reasonably clear if I remember PhDs, Uh, any kind of research degree, Any masters, anything like that, I think was not. It doesn't have any end number against it, does it? I thought it was only about audits, a couple of other things like that. So I don't think that that you get any penalty with regards of PhD, but I would have to have a look. The they don't want me to do with the Sorry. It was just gonna say it might be to do with Is it to do with the years out. Is that what you mean? Mohammed or, um, again, I'll have a little look. Uh, yeah. I'll look at the guidance, Uh, in between sessions. When? When we're looking at, Let me do something else. I'll have a look. PhD. Okay. I'll have a look at that. Yeah. So it's Yeah. It's the time after I know. I know what you mean. Okay. Okay. Yeah. And I was just trying to, um, have a look to see what was any, any other questions or anything he still doing? Okay, so of course, the other day from general surgery recruitment lead said that regarding end number, it depends if it's clinical PhD, then it counts. If it's non clinical, then it does not count. Okay? Interesting. And what is the scoring system for? The interview is the self assessment it it's going to be for the interview is a self assessment Will be a part of score ng. Um, yeah. What what question means, And if I recall correctly, your self assessment is separate to the interview. So at the interview, you will get given a score. I can I think I've got the picture of my scores. Actually, you have again for general surgery. Have three interviewers, and they all score me out of Can't remember how many points it was. Uh, they score you out of X number of points, come together to give you a score for each different station. Then that score is cumulative. And it added to your self assessment portfolio score to give you a final score. Brilliant. Thanks. Um, regarding the portfolio station they've mentioned they won't have access to your portfolio at the time of interview. That means you can say anything verbally about your career to date without any evidence and advantages. So technically, that is true. Yes. Um, So this is why your as I mentioned, your three stations then get added to your portfolio, score the portfolio station as we refer to it. They I think, describe it as a career discussion. Um, so they don't really ask you any specifics about your portfolio, but they might ask you to describe, you know, have you done any research? What did you learn from it? Stuff like that. So it's a bit more generic. You're right. That technically you could say whatever you wanted. Um, might be a bit of a property issue. If anything was found, it wasn't true. But most of the discussion is about, you know, what have you learned? Kind of, you know, how do you see yourself going? What have you What evidence do you have that you have progressed in the last 12 months From a operative perspective, from a research perspective, from a management perspective. Um, so it is a bit of a vague station. It is open to interpretation. Um, and so I would just try and suggest that you basically come across as a professional, responsible, nice person that the interviewers can trust. Um, and expect to be a good surgical training? Uh, no. That's very vague information, but it's a pretty vague station. Brilliant. Thanks, Leo. Um, if we don't have any more questions, um, then we can go for a little a 10 minute break before Ms Markham comes on for her. Her talk. I'm saying Okay, so that looks like the end of the questions, Which is great. If you do have any further questions, then please do, um, get in touch with us on the chat system, and we can send them across to Leo. He's doing another talk later as well, so we may be able to combine depending on time. Um, but thanks for everyone for turning up so early in the morning and and thanks for Leo to for giving us this talk.