MMRSSoc Conference 2023: Josh Williams
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This teaching session offers medical professionals helpful advice for research opportunities in medical schools, navigating current issues in healthcare, understanding the duties of a medical doctor, preparing for work experience, and approaching roleplay stations with confidence. They'll learn tips on reflecting on their experiences and articulating their ideas to stand out from other applicants. This session is an invaluable aid to successfully and confidently navigate medical school applications.
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- Understand the different types of knowledge to include in an application to a medical school
- Identify research opportunities available at the chosen medical school
- Define the “four pillars of medical ethics”
- Describe what is expected of medical staff working in the NHS
- Demonstrate the qualities of a successful medical student, such as inquisitiveness, compassion, and enthusiasm through role-playing scenarios
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Hospitals. He gets so quite early. Where is it late? Uh We have a rodeo everyone having online. Uh Okay. So yeah, so for the medical schools here. So uh I mean, how is that for research opportunities? You do an X play a year is the opportunity to do a phd. Uh You know, it's a, it's a medical school that claimed it's been like one of the top ones in the country, whatever reason, try to find reasons or usually it will be on their website for medicine that always puts but that they're proud about very, just takes them from there. The next step is the university. So have they got a track record of produced in like famous graduates and things like that? Is it, have they got both class sports facilities and maybe a really internet ball or, or football or whatever? Have they got brand new funding for a brand new library and that will help you study and things like that. And then finally you can touch on the city. So you can say it's a big city, multicultural which, which would help you thrive or it could be a smaller place which means you get to know people on, on a on a more personal level. It could be closer to home, could be further away from home, could be had good transport links to get back home, could be close to the sea, could be close to a forest, whatever, whatever it is, you can always make a case of how that might help you be a better student and I always try to think about. So that's, that's one of my tips is for that. Um Yeah, so the frequently asked questions, there's, there's always worth preparing something that you could say for them, but I would just say have an idea in your head of topics that you can talk about, but don't have a scripted answer that you can just memorized because they will be able to tell that memorized, but it doesn't really come off that good. Um So yeah, next one is the current issues this is worth knowing about. Um So yeah, it's worth being aware of the reason used in healthcare. Um, the way that I, you know, it's the screens other, the way I used it was the Guardian but you can use whatever wherever use, use highly one. Um And I use the Guardian and if you search the Guardian NHS Guardian Health, it'll just bring up two or three articles a day of the big things. So it's for this, I would just pick maybe one, maybe one other day for 56 weeks before my interview and I would just read through and bullet mine make the 10 big things about the article, what the facts. And then you, you've got a document that and before your interview that you can just refresh your mind through and you've got an idea of not only the big things. So at the moment, we'll be talking strikes, delays in treatment, uh, like waitlist, waitlist, surgery, things like that. So you've got those big things that you got a couple of facts that you can sort of drop in, in, in your interviews, but you've also come across some point niche articles of your well paying attention to as well. And then it can be things like new schemes, cell to try and combat uh maybe a different way to approach cancer or a different way to approach high BP. Um And those are quite good because you may get asked in an interview, how would you improve the NHS or what would you do to fix it? And those huge questions uh and no one's gonna have the right answer for that. But if you have something that you've read that you can just speak about, it really helps the one calm me down because nobody talking about what you got something to stop about and to they will have heard all day people go, I'm not really sure. But if you can say something, it really stands out and yeah, something that makes sense and I got up there so way with both sides. Um, so no matter what your stance is on an argument, I'd always try and make sure that, you know, the pros and the cons of foreign against, but the strikes and vote for anything because you don't even if you've got a strong opinion one way or the, but that's fine, but you don't want to show them that you're only appreciate one side of the argument. It's worth showing that uh skill that you can understand those arms. Um And to do that, you can use the four pillars of medical itics know I'm sure there'll be some of you that uh maybe some of you that haven't heard that. Don't worry, I won't go into it right now. But you can, if you just google it a local and it will explain it to the four pillars of medical Effex, it's not crucial thing with wealth, know your interviews and then your final confidence, that stubbornness. So that's just what I'm talking about with. Don't pick one side the argument and stick to it. Um If you, if you come across like, you know what you're talking about, what you can be flexible and you can appreciate both sides another confident. But if you can only averaging one side of the argument and you, you shut down all the other sides on the other side and it comes across maybe is there still uh So the third section, um life is a doctor as a medical student. So this is what common one that could come up a station for an MMI um and they're gonna wanna know one, how are you going to cope as a student and to how you're gonna cope as a doctor? So, for this one, you've got to know insight, you've got to know what it's like as a student and what it's like as a doctor. And then you've also got to know and have reflected yourself as to what works for you. So for stuff like this, like I said before, you can use your university track sheet as I had before. So you could say Manchester is a big city with lots of parks was a green space. Um And, and as low as a society at the university and that would help me relax and the stress. So it's just one of the examples. Um Yeah. Um this, this is another screenshot of the document that I got told to read about before my interviews. So it's called the Duties of the doctor registered with a general Medical Council. You don't have to read this similar worry, but it's in very plain English, you'll, you'll be able to understand it and it's split up into forward the mains. Um If you have time, it's quite a nice idea just to flick through it and see what there is that because again, if you know, um, for, for these questions, if they say what, what does the doctor involve, what you expected to do? You can reference and say, all I know is part of it from reading this. I know that there's a responsibility to teach. I know there's a responsibility to keep up today with research. I know there's a responsibility tell is to treat patient's also treat staph kindly as well. Um So it's just, it's just another tip. There's another tool in your arsenal if you have something that you can reference from this. Um Yeah, next point. So work experienced work experience is a big one. You might get us a station explicitly set out your work experience and it might say, tell me what you've done household to that might come up, it might not come up explicitly as a station, but you should always be able to work in to an answer. So again, if you got to ask, what does it have to be evolved, you can say, well, when I was on my experience, I saw this and this um the big thing about it is I know that a lot of students are worried um how much they've got and they'll say I've only done this if it really doesn't matter how much you do and it really doesn't matter to an extent and it really doesn't matter what you've done in. It's all about what you've reflected from it. Um So I'm on a placement at the moment and this a couple of 16 students that come in for their work experience. I'd imagine some of you will probably have stuff planned for some of them. Hopefully, if not, don't worry. Um My key thing that I would recommend for this is if you go on your university works at any medical website, really, they should have a list of attributes that they're looking for in a doctor. Um And that could be uh inquisitive, uh compassionate, enthusiastic, um, all sorts of generic things if you can print off a list of all right down and this and that and keep it with you when you go on your work experience and make a note that each of those things, something that you've seen that links to that, it really helps you to taking more when you're there because otherwise if you feel a bit daunting and stuff's going on and you've got no idea what you're seeing. Um So, like I say, it doesn't matter what you've done is what you've seen when you're done, what you've reflected on it and how from what you've seen, how is that going to change you as a student? How is that going to make you a better med student? And that's what they're trying to get with that station. Um And yet you'll always be able to work into both questions. Um But if you, if you have multiple things for the same station try incorporate different work experiences you've done. So you don't say the same example for question one questions. Good questions for you if you don't, if you can avoid it. Um If that makes sense. Um But yeah, roleplay stations. So these are a bit daunted. Uh Well, I I always been noticing at least when I first went, my excuse. Um Has anyone, has anyone looked at this before? Anyone heard of this? A few people? Not in a few people in love India. Um, some of you might not done. So don't worry. And what will happen is to explain to us. I don't know because you probably get a briefing before the station. So I had a few. So one of them was in Aberdeen and it said, um, yeah, I think it's a nodding and it said, um, you've been asked to go see that you're, you're on a flight, you fly in and you see an elderly woman set across from you is clearly nervous. That's why in please go and speak to her, try coming down. So it's quite a difficult one because you think how, what do I say for this? A lot of people will just panic and don't know what to do it. In my opinion, it really is just as simple as just trying to be nice and just trying to be friendly. Um If you just smile, if you say, are you all right? Is there anything I can get you my name. So, and so I'm also scared of flying. Um What can I do for you? Just things like that and just reiterate it, it really boils down to just trying to be nice, just trying to be compassionate. They're not expecting you to, you know, prescribe some sort of medication that will make you less anxious, that's not what they get in. Uh um So just think if you're finding it difficult, everyone else probably is finding it difficult to try not to let it get to you and just take a moment and then just think of the basics, just smile would be a friendly. Um Yeah, and yeah, I said use what you've learned or seen or done in your work experience if you can a lot of the role play stations on medicine specific. Um So to give you another example and Manchester, um we have a station on, you have to go and um, it said your sister's going away next, next Monday, she's flying away on holiday, but she feels ill with something. Um And she's asked you to go and get a GP appointment for her before she goes away. So you go to the GP and there's a, there's an actor who's pretending to be the receptionist and she says I'm not got any appointments for you and then it's how you negotiate that situation. Um So I think the correct way for that one, I mean, it's probably not going to come up, but just to give you an idea is to say, is to think of things. So, because I've been reading those articles, I had a rough idea of what other things to could go with access G P appointment for. So I said, is there any other G P practices nearby that could offer it? Is there a walk in center nearby? Um Is there any telephone and governments available? Is there any cancellations that you've got down for? And she just kept saying no, then you can say that that's fine. Can give you a time. I don't think they wanted you to say no, you must see my, my sister and start trying to go down that room and I'm hoping that uh that makes sense. Yeah, quick side. So potential stations. Um So I only had a few of these calculation stations. I didn't get any of these, but I know some students quite worried about them and from my understanding, they're not going to be anything above your level. Okay. It's just the stress that will get to you and maybe, maybe medical say as opposed to it being too complicated for you to do. I don't think they're really done anymore, but maybe someone can, someone who's they don't come from me. Um If it does come up, just listen carefully. If you don't understand why you wanted to repeat it, just ask them, can you repeat it? I didn't understand or, and that's completely fine. You don't get marked down for that um, current scientific knowledge. So this is your all an advantage because you've done your essays. But I got asked at some will have to get, can you tell me a condition that you saw on your work experience that you went to research further? And that's the one that I stumbled on line just basically. Um, but if, because you've done your essays, you've all search the top and you've all looked at it. You can say, well, I applied for this competition. I've read about this, I read about this and I learned this and this and this and etcetera. Um So you should all be, we'll be fine with that. So maybe just have a glance at your essays before, before you go into your interviews. Um And um uh radio station does everyone know what PML is? You know, the true people shaping? That's fine. Um So that is your, you'll see them on your, when you look at the university specifically, they'll say how they are. So it's normally the PVL, which problem based learning or uh you go lecture based. So lecture based is you come in when they Friday and they just got a series of lectures and we'll go through them and you just got to come right down, right down. The Note PBL is what they do in Manchester and what they do. A lot of units is you come in on Monday and they split you into groups. There's been 12 if you attended you and you, you work through a case each week. So one week's case might be on like, like you mentioned before, like a stroke and it will be like a history of a patient. So it'll say Shelley was a 80 year old woman. Uh worked as this one thing if you know it's these symptoms that uh when's a this happen side on this treatment, da da da, da da. And it'll just outline the whole story. So you read that and then as a group, you decide it's called problem based learning. Uh as a group, you decide questions that you need to go away and answer during the week. So it could be, what is a stroke? What's the treatment for a stroke? What investigations do you do for stroke? Why is she had a stroke? Um And then the, you can put on some like just help you answer the big questions, but you've got a week to sort of go away and answer those questions. And then you come back on Friday and you discussed as a group that you put on that. Does that make sense? That make sense? Fine. So at Whole York, they actually had a more convivial obsessions, one of the stations and then the interview. So I was there with 12 other people interviewing and we would just have to talk about something. So these are quite dog because no one wants to dominate the group. But if you don't say anything, then you've got nothing for them to mark you against. So you've got to say something. And my big piece of advice is trying to build on something that someone else has said. So instead of cutting the subject top and interjecting of your own point, you can say like in addition to what you said or for what you said or building on what you said. And I also think this would be relevant and it just for the examiner who's gonna be there seeing hundreds of students today if they just hear that line in my mind anyway, it shows that you're contributing as a group and working together. So that's the main thing to look for those associations. And then the final one that Sheffield, I had a station on 20 questions, you can go, you know, 20 questions, the game. It's where your the interviewer says I'm thinking of either an object, an animal place or something else. You have 20 questions, yes or no questions to find out what it is. So there was a bit of strange station for me. Um But that one again, it's all about your fault process. It doesn't matter if you get there in the end. It's just can you think logically narrow down stuff with each question? And you're not, for example, on question one going, is it a dog and then go in, is it in Europe or things like that? So it's just a little about the question before the process. Um It's the final thing on, on this one is for any station. It matters what you say, but equally important, it matters how you say in the structure that you use and, and that it probably was gonna distinguish people apart is how you can frame your argument and how you set the scene for your examiner. You've got to think they're hearing the exact same answers for the most part, all day. So if you present it quite clearly, that is the key thing. And the way that you get better, a structure is just keep practicing. You can practice with friends, you can practice with family, you practice yourself in the mirror. Um You can practice with anyone at any time really. Um So yeah, so like I was saying how to prepare practice. I will, I'll, I've got all your emails so I can send this out. But if you search on Google medical school interview questions and accompany this website, all of this I S C medical and they must have 100 and 50 questions and they break it down into those sections and they're just loads and those questions. And I went through pretty much all of them and I would only say I have four interviews on, I would only say maybe have five questions that didn't come up or one somewhat related to those questions. Um So I didn't write down any practice answer anymore, the answers for each but, but had, if that came up, I knew I had certain things that I could talk about, whether it was something in the news or something that's, or my work experience or something from any of the documents that I showed you. Um So just help me have some sort of confidence going into it. Um So yeah, next, uh and then the next size help to prepare. So I've sort of referenced these throughout. These are the five things that I would recommend that worked for me. It's probably a bit overkill, to be honest, I don't people that did not minutes and got in. So don't worry. Um But if you know the four pillars of medical ethics, if you know healthcare news, like what's going on arguments for where your university factually is what I spoke about with the mental is called the university and the city and the duties of the doctor document and your work experience, just make sure you, you've reflected on your work experience and you know, examples of what you've seen and why that's useful. And it doesn't, I would try say, pick things that are unique to you if you can. And um so for my work experience, I managed to get a daily theater and I thought about that when I was there at music playing and stuff were dancing and some stuff we're going to sing along. Um, and that just help to relax everyone. Um, which is obviously you'll find your own unique and each things I would say you, stuff like that, as opposed to, I saw a doctor, I mean, and they will really caring and that's what inspired me to be adults because, although it's nice, it's quite generic and you're not going to stand out from someone else. Um So hopefully I'm an extent to take us. Yeah, I think that's the animal slides. You all got my email doesn't ever email. But does anyone have any questions? Should we clap for Josh for, I'm sure you guys have low d questions because earlier you asked me the same thing, the stuff, but I need to stick cover quite a lot in there. Hopefully that always sense any questions, there's no, there's no wrong question. Uh So, um you're introducing me, ask you a question about your like a real subjects and tell you to pick a topic. Um Let me just explain to this. I didn't have that but I think it, I think it kind of depends where you applying to. I know it's slightly different if you're thinking about Oxford Cambridge that they can, they generally do interviews slightly different and they want you to be a of the normal level in certain subjects. So I applied to Manchester other being Sheffield Whole York and they were all, I didn't get any of that. Really, the biggest thing I got was, like I said, um, uh, tell me about condition that you've seen and how you researched it further. What do you know about it? And if you get asked that you always don't think smartly of, even if you didn't see any work experience, but you've seen it in your right ear. I say you can kind, kind of get away with, uh, I didn't come across any. Yeah, just add that, like, really kind of university. Apply to like your side. Like Oxbridge Landed New Year's, you know, but that's not the same. Manchester won't ask you that. But I'm just saying it's quite unlikely. But they do, you know, if they said, tell me something quite interesting, your a levels, you know, you probably already research some sort of medical and then there's a medical disease. You have a statement, you can just talk about that. You know, that I know a guy who's so much sickle cell anemia and his, and they asked him questions like that and just like a simple self to just, just have something kind of, they just prepare one or two things. Yeah, I'd say any questions like that or any other question where you just, uh, like frozen, you don't know what to say. Just give yourself five seconds, 10 seconds. Send this very question. I'm just going to think about that because you don't want to jump on straight away with, I want to talk about something in chemistry that with this was by yesterday and then as you're explaining and then you go, actually, I don't really know what it is. So if you just take a moment with the star and make sure you like things go into if that comes up. Um I've just had a few points, tips as obviously to you guys about structuring your answers because I think a lot of things into. So what James about here is that, you know, the 1st 10 seconds you could teletherapy it cancer or not. And I think the lady that obviously find you're only short presentation dressing, start thinking about it, but it's also about the way you structure your answer. So if anyone has the star structure, the answer's probably not. No. So I think this is a good way. Uh So basically, if you guys want to write it down, if you would like to do so and stand to situate situation tea is tasked a reaction and are as a result. Do you everything? When do I use that surprising to you? Tell me Italian trade, you know, Rionda, tell me a time that you show your teamwork. Okay. So the situation was that she was planning a conference, what do you have to do uh best run the Postal Competition online? And so what did you do? She took them into the side, maybe she planned out ahead of time that she would blah, blah, blah range assume called, facilitate that process. And what was the result? It all went smoothly? So something like that, I mean, obviously would be a bit more a hearse. But does that make sense? So any question you asked me to tell me a time to show the leadership sometimes show teamwork something time that you've shown caring nature start that is what you should be going for. And then the other structure that doesn't work for everything that's just for like examples is that appeal. So you might have no English point evidence. Explain link. So anytime someone makes a good doctor, what's your point? We'll see evidence that makes good doctor and link it back to yourself. So, so you know, something like uh teamwork makes good doctor, even when I was a one concurrent, I witnessed uh surgery, I wouldn't have gone ahead of the whole teamwork market competively link. I played that fall and team. So I don't expect team working skills because that makes sense. So he'll start. That's just uh that's really good, that's really, really good. Um Yeah, structure is think half of it is what you say in terms of if you've got any great knowledge or great example, then give up the market is literally structure. Um It is, yeah, you just got to think like it's a bit no, but those examiners are probably seen like at least 30 40 students that day and a lot of the answers will be just because they're the same questions, the answer is going to be quite similar. So you don't think of ways that you can make that answer different. You don't have to make every single answer may be that you need, but just having a couple that make you stand out what's going on with uh um would to prepare a panel, you chambers and crucial is located. I think probably a lot of the questions would come up with the same sort of questions. Um I generally prefer mm I interviews because just another tip. But general this is if you have a bad station on an MM line, no one's going to know about it other than that examiner. So you can kind of just come out of it, try and wipe yourself and then you go into the next one fresh um for panels a lead. It's sort of like you could spend a much longer time with just those interviewers. Um So I will prepare the same way in terms of the same questions that probably going to come up. The only thing in your panel is they might just crave you a bit more, more tiny, you know, generally up an hour, an hour and a half into your as they might have seven minutes. So you might want to develop your answers a bit more. But I think as Josh said, just prepare the same way. But you know, maybe perhaps in your friends get three of your friends to what you say. Yeah. So instead of just one, so you get used to that feeling of three people staring at you while you're answering the question. Um Yeah, that's one concern. I've forgotten it now. Uh Yeah, the other thing is just general tips is that mm eyes, they will say outside of the room, they'll give you a brief in and it could just say this question, it might give you those details. This question is going about this station's based on upcoming junior doctor strikes or it might just say this station is based on your motivation, study, medicine. Always use that minute, about 90 seconds if you have to get this short changing in the head. So you know exactly what you're gonna say when you walk in that room, don't just read the question and then start like thinking, how can I improve on that stage? And uh South Asia because those are the seconds that can't. Yeah. Right. Any ask me any questions? No, you'll retire now and often it's been a long day. Cool. No more questions. You sure guys? Yeah, I use uh my question was just in terms of PBL. Um If you're not living local to that city, is there an online opportunity to do that or would it require you to do a lot of travel? Is this PBL for? Okay, an interview station uh, of course, um, during, during interviews. Yeah. Um, that's a great question. So I did mind you before, like, totally the hybrid area kind of thing. Um, I don't know how it runs online. Um, it could, it could fees, they work online, um, because they would just put you in on the break out room with all the students. It was only a one unit that I know that that happened. So, so unless you're applying to Whole York won't worry about it too much and, but just have another look, have a look at whatever you is you're applying to. It will say what the interview consists of. And I know at Sheffield they even put on their website like the first two stations. These are the questions that you will be asked. So it's always worth having a look at their website, make sure you know, that you can. Uh so it's only like a minute, minute and a half you get between each around that. Yeah, it might be a minute if I'll be two minutes, but it was pretty much just be like you might get a rest station. If there's like eight stations they might throw in a restaurant. But yeah, it's only uh well, normally have that look to staff members around to help, help you like make sure you're in the right place at the right time. Um Yeah, my mother just general advice like everyone is really stressed about interviews and it makes sense. Um, but just try and be like, you know, it's easy to say that is to be, try to be as relaxed as you can smile is, uh, friendly. And, uh, you finished early in the station. I would just just say like to the examiner, like you had a long day, just try and be a little bit chatty because everything counts really. And going back to the main thing is just trying to show that you're a nice person. It's fundamentally that people. But uh thank you any final questions.