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Hi, everyone. Um I hope you can hear me and see me. Thank you for being patient and waiting for us. We just had a couple of technical difficulties before getting started. Um My name is Natalie. I'm one of the team leads for the F three section at mind the bleep. Um We've got a really exciting talk to you today from one of our guest speakers, Hamza who's currently based in Australia. So he knows all the relevant information that you guys are going to need if you're thinking about moving and applying for a job um down under to start with um before Hamza's talk gets underway. Um We have another guest. Um Gareth is joining us. He's a recruiter from skilled medical recruitment and he is just gonna take up a couple of minutes um and tell you a bit about what him and his team um offer. So I'll hand over to you Gareth first if that's ok. Hi. Yes, thank you, Natalie. Good evening, everyone. Um Thanks for do and yes, I work for skilled medical. We're an Australian headquartered recruitment agency based out of Melbourne. Um I work along with other colleagues in the London office. So primarily our role is to facilitate the recruitment of doctors from the UK over to Australia and New Zealand. Um we do work within other healthcare sectors, but um for that, all that's probably not relevant right now. Um it primarily, obviously we get a lot of inquiries from doctors who are in their F three. you know, looking for something different to do, maybe an adventure or, or maybe just a year out to, to kind of decide before they, they do start their specialty training. Um, but mainly the process is, is quite simple as far as we're required to look into it. It's basically um presentation of doctors who qualify via mainly the competent authority pathway that is um, doctors who have qualified in the UK or abroad and have at least 12 months of UK experience. So if enough to, you know, pretty simple, um there's no examinations or, or kind of um anything involved, it's a matter of filling out an application form. But um, before you get that far, we've got to help you obviously find a job. Um And we take a look at all the factors, you know, where you'd like to be based, uh what you would like to do, do you have family and friends that you want to be close to? Um And so we kind of, you know, we walk you through that process and uh we try and find something that's suitable um, it is a, a, a, a lengthy process in a, in a sense that you'd probably be one starting. So you probably want to start your job search at least 4 to 5 months before you head out. Um, because your, a registration takes at least 6 to 8 weeks, your visa another four weeks once you've got your app in principle, and then, uh, obviously we leave another month or so for us to, to find something for you. Any paperwork that needs to be, uh, relooked at et cetera. But, um, our team here in London are pretty much available all the time to, to walk you through the process. Um We've, we've done the application um, out of the time so we can tell you which boxes to, to tick and what to fill out where. Um, and obviously, the main goal for us is to find, you, find you work, um, as an agency, you know, we, we're a business, we make our money from finding you a placement. There's, there's no cost to you, obviously, but there is at the hospitals um, end in the health service. Um And so, you know, we work with candidates, um who do qualify for authority pathway. There are other ways to go over. Um, I, if anyone's got any other questions around kind of uh the restoration pathways you're more than welcome to, to let us know you, you kind of individual um background in terms of academics and where you've qualified and, and if you've worked in the UK or not, we can try and help you with that. But, um, I think probably for, for the typical UK doctor, the competent authority pathway is the one that you'd be looking to go over with. Um, a bit about your contract in Australia. Usually you're looking at a, a 76 hour fortnightly contract, um, and you're paid fortnightly so every two weeks, um, and that kind of uh works out obviously to a, a 38 hour week or so depending on how, how your roster works. Um And then you'd be obviously, uh looking to, to see what else you could be bolted on to that basic salary. So superannuation which is the equivalent of, of the, of the, the pension. Um, you've got some relocation perks so you could have airfares covered, you could have a accommodation covered, you could have a, a dollar allowance that you could spread across different um expenses. Those are, those are things that we can help you. Uh, look at as well. Each state does allow for that. They do however, have um varying amounts and it also depends on, on the level of a doctor. Um, salary wise. Yy, you know, there, there's a, a very good uh scale on Queensland health, but if you're kind of a, an F three probably looking at kind of um high nineties early 1 100s to 100 and kind of 15 or so um per annum as a, as a base salary. Um if you are going to be looking at, at, at staying in Australia, um keep in mind your 1st 12 months with af A you're on provisional registration, you then have to move on to uh full registration and that's when you can start doing things like, like, I mean, um looking at, you know, training eligibility uh switching to a different hospital, um et cetera. So um yeah, so um also lastly sorry, if I made the, the, the visa that you'd probably most likely go over on would be the T SS 48 2 temporary skills shortage visa. You qualify via that via your um profession, not your nationality. So it doesn't matter if you're from, from UK or China or, or India or Nigeria. Um if you have your app registration, you'd most likely get nominated for, for that specific visa. It's a two year visa. Um It doesn't mean that you have to stay two years. It doesn't mean that you can stay uh um less or, or more you can um depending if you're staying over, you can extend um visas and apply for pr and all sorts of things. So, um yeah, I'm not sure if you'd like me to cover anything else. I know it's, it's quite a lot to take in. Um but we can uh obviously, you know, send out links and uh information around you know, tax and cost of living and stuff. Um Obviously, as an agency, just one thing maybe to, to do mention is is that we don't really work within the big cities like Sydney and Melbourne and Brisbane. Um There's a lot of uh UK grads like, like everyone was most likely who apply for those jobs and local graduates, uh local doctors. And so as an agency, we find that we are more useful in the regional areas, towns and cities which are kind of an hour or two out of those uh metropolitan areas. Um And uh that's kind of, you know, what we can really uh work with uh for s specialists though, uh consultants, uh probably not on this call, but uh that's totally different uh ball game. Really super. Thank you so much Gareth that was really, really helpful. Um It would be great if you would be able to put your website maybe in the chat. So um people could have a look on the website. I think that would be great. Sure. Thank you so much for joining. I appreciate it. Thank you, Brill. Ok. So without further ado, I'm gonna hand you over to Hamza, our guest speaker today um for the introduction to F three in Australia. Great. Thank, I'm just gonna share my slides, right? Can you see, you can see my slides? Yeah. Yeah. Sweet. Hi, everyone. I'm Hamza. I'm one of um I'm uh F four now. Currently working in Australia. Um, I moved over about a year ago, um, and I'm planning to stay for at least another year. Um, so I'm just going to talk you through my presentation today. Unfortunately, I can't see the chat whilst we're doing the presentation, but at the end I'll go through any questions. So over the next half hour I'll try and cover, um, most of what you'd need to know, um, what I wish I knew before I applied. Um So just an outline of the session. So, um we are gonna go through, we are gonna go through um Just what I've been doing here, the reality is moving to Australia and what's similar and what's different about the job, how you go about choosing a location and a job and then what my kind of typical day week looks like in Australia, um the steps of the application process and then what you can start doing now and then at the end, we'll cover some questions. So about me, I did uni in London, I'm from Manchester and I did F one and F two in Somerset in Bristol. So I was in Bristol a year ago before I moved to Australia and now I live on the east coast um in a part of Australia called Newcastle, if you've heard of it, um which is just a couple of hours north of Sydney and in the main, well, in the state of New South Wales. Um and I've been here for almost 12 months now doing a job in the emergency department. Um And my, my long term plan at the moment is II really enjoyed my year. I'm on provisional registration at the moment in a couple of months time, I'll be fully registered, which means that I just kind of get a bit more freedom with my license and it allows me to lo and work at the hospitals. Um And then what I would like to do ideally is come back to the UK for anesthetics training. So that will be the long term plan. But the visa I'm on is for four years, which is nominated by your hospital. And that gives me the flexibility to return to Australia, either to locum in the future or um well, within the next four years or to um stay longer. Basically, if I don't get what I want back in the UK and these are some pictures of just where I live in Newcastle um to give you a taste. It's a very, it's a, it's a small city, it's a very nice lifestyle, relaxed, quite beachy, which is what I was after personally, but I'll, I'll go through all of the parts of Australia and what to expect of them. So we're just gonna talk about pros and cons of coming to Australia and then I'll narrow down on some of the details of it. So I'll start with the good things about Australia first. So better weather generally. Um, so at the moment, the last few weeks have been very warm here. It's obviously a very different climate across Australia. And, um, you can get a lot of extremes of weather. But I think that's probably one of the main things that attracts a lot of people and a lot of English grads over here. Um, but it does really depend on whereabouts you go in Australia. I know when we got here last year, there was a lot of talk about fires. They had really bad wildfires back in 2020 there's concerns that that's now due again. So, yeah, it pros and cons of the weather, but generally it's, the climate's a lot nicer than in the UK. Um And then the kind of work life balance and personal growth is generally pretty good. I do 80 hour fortnight. So about 40 hours a week and that's 10 hour shifts. So on average about four days a week of work. Um, and the work itself is similar in nature to the UK and I'll touch a bit more on how it differs. Um, but it, on the whole is very roaring, very tiring. And then outside of work I think the difference I found was, you know, when you're in the UK, you have a tiring day at work and it, it feels pretty nonstop. Whereas here there's a bit more of an emphasis on doing stuff outside of work, all the consultants are very encouraging to, you know, go and, you know, just take up running or start Netball or whatever you, whatever you want to do whilst you're here. Um And that kind of balance between the work and the culture is very nice and I think it, it works pretty well for, for most people. Um And then whilst you're here, you can travel around quite easily. Domestic travel is super easy. In Australia, I think um you can get not too much and they're pretty quick around Australia and uh you can go to New Zealand. So since I've been in Australia, I've traveled around lots of different places. So, Newcastle where I am Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, Gold Coast, sunshine Coast Uluru, um and a few other places and then I'm going to Western Australia, which is Perth and I'll be going to New Zealand next year as well for a little bit. And then you've got the option to get to Southeast Asia with not too much difficulty and also um around Polynesia. Um Fiji Samoa, if, if you're interested as well with a strong emphasis on outdoor activities and wellness. As I was saying earlier, um the general culture along most of the cities is very active. Um And I was so it's five, it's just gone 5 a.m. here. And I was saying earlier that um there is a big uh emphasis on getting up early, doing stuff early. I've not, I've not really conformed to that myself. So this is quite early for me, but generally people are out and about doing stuff. Then on the converse, everything shuts very early as well. Um And then at the same time while you're here, if you're working here, then you've got opportunities to continue skill development and education. You can get involved in Q I research teaching if you want. Um And I'll talk a bit more about that later as well. Then if you really like it, you can join the training colleges here. Um And within the year of your job, you can start looking for other jobs and you can speak to your consultants about um what, what you'd like to get out of it and a few friends here that have joined the E Emergency Department Colleges um and will be doing training here. I'm just going to touch on the negatives most people when they come to Australia. Really do. I think Australia is great and I've had a great time, but at the same time, I think it is a very big move. You're miles away from your support system and you know, it's not the easiest trip back if anything would happen or if you really needed to get back home, it's also an expensive move. So I think on the whole, you're probably looking at least about 5000 lbs to get out here a mat on visa flights. All the in between admin motorizing your documents, the health check, the police check all of that stuff, unfortunately, does add up and it does feel like a lot of money. I think if you come to Australia for at least a year, you could probably it back pretty easily, for example, through work for one. And then also at the end of the year you get a tax return, I just got $4000 back. Um and on top of leaving Australia, you get your pension back so you could probably make all that money back alone. Um, if you stay for a year and then leave and you, hopefully you might have saved in that time as well. So pros and cons, but it is expensive. You know, if you're finishing F two, you, you're not on the high salary and you're spending a lot of money on all this paperwork which I know some people have been. So it's not, it's not an easy process and then Uprooting your life. So you've, you know, if you've got a flat or a house or a car, your friends, your family partners, it's a very difficult decision to say that you're gonna just fly away for a year or two and then, um, set up everything again, what you're here. Um I think they're of the unknown. Most people seem to have a pretty good time but you, you obviously don't know what you're letting yourself in for in terms of the hospital that you go to and where you're living. Um There are potential cultural barriers generally. I think Australian culture is very similar. Um And once you're working, you get taught a lot more, especially by Aboriginal culture and how that impacts your day to day job. Um and the kind of um how that looks for those people and for those patient groups as well. Um And then home sickness and isolation, it really, II think it took me a, a couple of months before I really felt comfortable being here. I mean, I was always very keen to come to Australia throughout F one and F two and I came a month after finishing F two. But on the whole, I'm glad I did and I've had a great year and the longer I stay, the harder it is to think about going back. But most people seem to make a trip back home at some point and a lot of people's families end up coming out to visit as well. And for me, it's not permanent. So II see it as, I don't see it as my end goal. Um But yeah, these are the main pros and cons of coming to Australia and the realities are that it is a really fun, exciting opportunity to come here. But at the same time, it can be very difficult. Most people I've spoken to have had a really good time and a lot of people consider staying long term equally, ii know a few people that haven't enjoyed their years and actually pretty early wanted to leave and some people did leave. So it's, it's not for everyone, but I think most people genuinely end up having a pretty good time. Um And I just wanted to touch on the healthcare system here. So unlike the UK, there's more of a private sector here because if you, if you come out to Australia will end up working in the public hospitals. And then a select few of you might work at a private hospital in terms of your work, it's not massively different and you don't get paid that much more depending on where you are or which private hospital you're at. Um for example, in Newcastle, there's one small private hospital and the rest of them are all public and we have a few friends that work at the private and it, it just basically, if patients can pay for their care, then they, they will try to do that. However, majority of patients will show up to public services. Um It's not something that you'll need to get involved with much and you're not going to be charging patients yourself. So it's, it's not anything that will massively impact your decisions. But I think the majority of people come and work in the public system, which is as good and I'd say it's probably better for your training um and development compared to the private system. So, what I'm gonna go through now, I think is a map of Australia just cos before I um arrived to Australia. I didn't have a clue what anything then or where the locations were so big country. You've got New South Wales, which is where I am. I'm just over here and then Victoria's where Melbourne is. Um And then what I'll do is I'll just go at some of the key locations around Australia and what I've heard. So this is all very biased for me. Cos I'm I love Newcastle and I'm gonna plug up Newcastle, but I'll, I'll try and be balanced and fair about all the other places as well. So let's start with Perth. Perth is all the way around over here. Um It has got a beautiful climate generally throughout the year. It's pretty stable, very sunny, very outdoorsy, relaxed lifestyle, like a good size city and it's the main city in western Australia. So it's got a lot going on and you can go and do a lot of things like water sports diving, you can swim with sharks if you really want. Um And on the whole, most people seem to love Perth, the main corner of Perth is it's pretty far away from everything you're quite isolated. I think if you've got friends around Queensland, Victoria, New South Wales, it's not the easiest journey to coordinate um to get over that, especially with your friends that are on medical rosters as well. But everyone that's been to Perth has had a really good time and I've had friends that have stayed there beyond the year. Um, and one of the things that I quite like the idea of Perth is that you get the sunset over the ocean, whereas on this side of Australia you don't, um, I'll be making a trip over in a month's time. Um And then Melbourne is just over here down in Victoria. Um Melbourne is a very edgy, trendy place to go in Australia. I think II could have very easily um wanted to go there. The food and coffee is meant to be really good. I'd say the nightlife is probably the best in Victoria. Um The only thing that I didn't want to go there for was because it's described as a very European city, European weather. The classic thing is that they have four seasons of the day where it could rain, it could be really, really warm the next minute. Uh But on the whole most, most of my friends in Melbourne seem to be having a great time and I think it's a very sociable environment. Um I don't know if this is true, but someone what, when I was there, someone said that apparently it's based off of Manchester as in, they've modeled the city off Manchester. So that gives you a bit of an idea. It's very um metropolitan. Um But yeah, M Melbourne's meant to be a great one. Personally, I would have, I wanted more of a beachy sunny experience. Um, so I, II didn't fancy it but it's a very cool city to be in. And then you've got Sydney, which is probably what most people think of when they think of about coming to Australia, it's a huge city, lots going on there. And with Sydney you could either be in the city or you could be in any of the kind of beach suburbs. Um And I've had friends that have gone to Sydney and lived in the city and not liked living in the city because they wanted to be by the beach. But then you've got the flexibility to move, you know, after six months, but it is a bit of a hassle of having to move around there. Um Sydney's always got a lot going on. It's a hub for events and music. Um It is known for being quite expensive to live in um and very competitive for, to find housing and also to find jobs for doctors. Um I think what ends up happening with some people are that they have to commute a bit further than planned. So there's tons of hospitals in, in the city and they're all spread out around. Um And you could be, you know, commuting and out on public transport um if, if that's the job that you want. Um But it's got a huge airport that's pretty much in the city so you can get around Australia and you can go abroad easily. Um Yeah, so uh Sydney I've visited a few times. The train is pretty quick from where I am in Newcastle and it's a very fun city. Uh Lots to do. Newcastle is just a couple of hours north of Sydney. It's much smaller scale of city. It's very, what I like about. It is very warm and beachy. Um And we're surrounded by lots of nice beaches as well. It's a lot quieter than um the other cities I mentioned. And as a consequence, there's probably less English doctors here. Pros and cons to that, I think it, it's often nice starting with lots of other English doctors, cos you're all in the same boat and a lot of other places have that. Um However, here when I started, there were only a handful of us, but at the same time, it meant that we actually ended up making more friends with Australians and Australian doctors. Um So it depends what you're after. If you, if you really want to go to a big kind of hub where lots of English doctors are moving to, then I think one of the other cities is probably better, Newcastle. Maybe if you're more looking for a slightly quieter relaxed surf beachy lifestyle, it's more affordable, easy to find places. However, it's rapidly developing and becoming more and more popular as more people move out Sydney into Newcastle and then Gold Coast is another hotspot for English doctors. So Gold Coast is probably, I think around here just into Queensland. Um it's the, the key thing about Gold Coast is that you've got loads of beaches and a, you know, a good size city. Um There's a huge amount of UK doctors and the benefit of Gold Coast is that there's not that many hospitals to work at. So all the doctors end up working kind of at the same few hospitals. Um It is quite a touristy area. Um And the actual city itself is quite big in terms of getting around. You have to drive it from, from my experience. Um but I have lots of friends that worked at the hospital and it's a very new modern hospital, um very busy trauma center. So I think generally people, people enjoy it and then you've got Brisbane. So just uh an hour or two up from Gold Coast, you've got Brisbane, which is another big city, um very warm, very humid environment throughout the year. Unfortunately, Brisbane doesn't really have any close beaches. You can drive 40 minutes to a beach, but you are kind of stuck in the city and because it's so hot, most people live in um high rise flats with pools and other things. So that's one of the things to consider seems like a very relaxed vibe, much quieter than Melbourne and Sydney. Less going on in terms of kind of culture, um, nightlife food. However, I've been once or twice and I've, I've had quite a nice time there. I think it's a good size city and it's not overwhelming in the size of like Sydney is, or like Melbourne is. Um, and it seems like most people find accommodation pretty easily. And again, Brisbane has quite a few hospitals so you might be spread out. But it's, it, it seems fairly sociable with the doctors. And the last place I'm gonna touch on is Sunshine Coast, which is again, just so I think Brisbane's around here and Sunshine Coast is just up from Brisbane, stunning beaches, a very small area. Um And it's near Australia Zoo, which is nice if you're interested in that. Um uh It's very touristy but it's got some great hotspots like Noosa around and then, um generally because it's quite quiet, there's limited diversity, not loads to do. Um But easy, um easy to travel around the coast to get to go on holiday in other places. So that probably goes up to here. Um There's a few places that I have already talked about and that's Darwin, which is in the northern territories, your crocodile area if you're interested. And then South Australia, you've got Adelaide, which is another city. I don't know much about those places I haven't really visited. Um And then Tasmania is over here. You can, I don't know if you can do a whole year on Tasmania but you can definitely work there for a little bit. And Tasmania is meant to be like the New Zealand of Australia. So that is another option if you, if you want a bit more of a um kind of like mountainous uh different climate to the typical warm beachy vibe of the east coast. Um Yeah, so there, I'd say these are the main hotspots for Australia that most people end up going to. Um A lot of my friends are in the Gold Coast, Sydney and Melbourne. Uh And then I'm in Newcastle, um which I really like and suits me pretty well. Um But I can answer more questions on this on the end if you like. So, next bit I think is about my week in Australia. Um I'll just give it a second to load. So you get paid fortnightly and you get your roster fortnightly, but in good time generally. So this is what my typical fortnight would look like. They're pretty good at putting you off. Um If you want to go away on trips or if you want your days a bit more scattered throughout the weeks. Um I do day shifts, evening shifts and night shifts in emergency and they're 10 hour shifts and generally, um the work is really rewarding. I've, I never did Ed in the UK and I got here and it was a bit of a minefield at the start. But on the whole, I've really enjoyed it and sprinkled in that. There's quite a lot of teaching that we get at the hospital I'm at, which is the John Hunter Hospital in Newcastle Major Trauma Center. Um, and they're pretty good at teaching us protected time on Thursdays. And then they organize these simulation days and other teaching days, which are fantastic as well. Um, so if you work weekends or if you do nights, you get paid more. So if you've just done a weekend and cos you get paid fortnightly, you'll see that reflected in your pay slip. It's not pro rata like it is in the UK where you just get averaged out. So if you do a set of nights, you'll see that reflecting your pay that week basically. Um And annual leave is super flexible for us. Um It, they've been, I mean, our roster team here are really weird. I don't know if that's the case everywhere. I think some places, um especially Melbourne and Gold Coast, ask you to take your annual leave in a five week block in a year in Newcastle. I get to take two weeks every time and there's four times a year. So it works better for me because it means I can do some regular trips throughout the year and have some time off. Whereas I think some of my other friends have had that they have to just take one big block and do something with that. Whether there's people visiting from the UK or vice versa. Um And then they're generally pretty good at putting you on roster with your mates or your partner or partners. Um And on the whole, it's really supportive and friendly teams. Um All the consultants are lovely. There's probably quite a lot of English emergency consultants in Australia. Um And the range and day to day work is fantastic. So, having never done Ed in the UK, I don't really know what it's like, but here, there's a lot of acuity. Um Also what is expected of me is to basically diagnose the patient in emergency and then refer to the specialty. So if I have a patient with an end, I speak to cardiology consultant and get them admitted, it's not like a triage thing in the UK where you call medics or call the surgeons, you do everything you can for the patient here in and then you call the specialty to admit them. If they're unstable, you can't admit them and you would do all the ICU or critical care for them in Ed. And that includes, you know, if you need to put an outlier and you do that yourself with support. Um So just an example, you could do this could be a particular day of cases, red eye expiratory failure, adrenal crisis, diabetic ulcer, major trauma. So lots of different things. Um Key different things here from the UK. I think there's more trauma from what I've noticed. Um nothing too weird and wonderful. We've had, we maybe get two shark attacks a year and they're pretty dire generally as it involves, um, amputations and not a great outlook, but that doesn't happen all too often. Uh, and in terms of things like spiders and snakes, I actually haven't seen that much in terms of injuries or bites related to that. But you, you get taught on how to look out for things and what to do for all those, all those cases. And then it's pretty procedure heavy as well. I in F one F two unfortunately, didn't get the option to do many of these things. Um, actually, I don't think maybe an ultrasound candidate is, is all I learned at the time. But, um, in here they're really good at getting you involved to do everything else. So there's four ultrasound machines in our department and we're encouraged to use it whenever for, for everything. Um, we can do vas scans which are trauma scans. Um, and I learned I had a study day yesterday to learn how to do that. You can do lumbar punctures, nerve blocks, chest drains, a cystic drains, uh lots of airway stuff, fracture reduction, and also arterial and central lines if you're interested. And for this, it's as much as you want to do. So if you come to Ed here in Australia and you say I want to do all of this, you probably could if you say you don't want to do any of that. I'm sure that'd be fine as well. So I'm just gonna touch on the overview of what you need to do now or whenever you think of applying to actually coming out to Australia. So you need to get a job interview, the way to do this is very different depending on where you're apply to. I would recommend taking the time to research where you want to go in Australia um and giving it some thought and then sending, creating a CV, and then sending out that CV to specific hospitals. So most websites have contacts for like JM OS which are junior medical officers um to get in touch with them, they can put you through to whoever needs to be for New South Wales. There's an online portal as well that you use to apply for jobs and most of them will have whitespace questions which you fill out in your own time. Um But the recruitment rounds are generally for February as the year goes from February to February here. But also you can start whenever for most places and the benefit of being out of the big cities is that you can start whenever you like without too much hassle. Whereas I think Melbourne and Sydney is a bit more um to the day with February and August start. So first job is to get a job interview and then once you've had your interview, you accept the job. The interviews are generally quite straightforward. Um And some places don't interview at all, all of the Brisbane jobs I apply for, none of them interviewed me and they were pretty quick at giving out jobs. Um So once you've accepted the job, you get the ball rolling with the process, your employer will sponsor you for your visa. As Gareth said at the start, most people will be on a year Visa. I'm on a four year visa and that's entirely up to the hospital sponsoring you. The benefit of a four year visa is that um it means that I can stay longer in Australia slash come back to Australia if I need to in the, you know, next three years or um the converse is that I you pay a bit more for a longer visa. So you need to notarize your documents. This is a bit of a confusing process. I don't entirely understand it, but you need a Justice of the Peace or equivalent to basically go through all your documents and that you at this stage, you will know which documents you need for your visa and that's stuff like passport, driver's license, um your uni certificates and they just go through it and say this is a legit document. Here's a photocopy with my details and my signature and that is a legal kind of document that you then use for your Visa application app for application. So that's similar to your like GMC application. It's, they're the um, the kind of the board that will give you will grant you your registration. Um And most of us, if you're coming from the UK, you'll be on the competent authority pathway, which basically means that you're kind of seen as someone that doesn't need to do any further exams to get to Australia to work. But you will start on a provisional registration. Then after a year, you can be granted full, you need to use the police checks which I'll talk on more in my next talk, um health check. So this involves actually there's I think eight centers in the UK that you can do these at and again, unfortunately, it is more money but you basically go, they do all this stuff, they do a chest X ray, they listen to your lungs, heart, they check your BMI and they say you're OK to come to Australia, then you submit your visa. And between submitting your visa and flights, there's probably that could be a few months. So the key is once you've got a job, you need to just get that process moving as quickly as possible to submit your visa. So that that's granted as soon as possible. And then most people seem to book their flights once you've got your visa confirmed. And also this isn't um a rigid kind of um pathway to do these things. You can start one thing before the other. You know, you could definitely get your documents notarized before you accept a job if you need to or you can book your flights well in advance if there's offers or anything. Um and then it comes to booking accommodation in Australia. Most people seem to book an airbnb or find friends or post on the Facebook groups to stay somewhere before they find someone more permanent. And you also need health insurance as part of your visa conditions. So it's a private healthcare system here. It's a mixed healthcare system. Sorry, but everyone's got Medicare or everyone's entitled to Medicare, including people from the UK. And that is just the like the national free healthcare. Well, it's not free, you end up paying a bit of a tax on it. But, and then on top of that, you are meant to get private health insurance as well which covers you for extras, many come out to Australia. Um And next part of the talk, I think we're coming towards the end now. Um So I'll just talk quickly on CV. What, what you can include on your CV, to circulate to employers and also what a job interview might look like for you CV is pretty straightforward. If you don't already have one, I'd start creating one now. They don't care about much to be honest, they just want to know that you're qualified and that you've worked in places and have got a good scope of practice. Um And then on top of that, you can talk about other stuff like Q I research publications and whatnot. Um I included a cover letter. So the first page of my CV, have a letter and in that it was just a paragraph or two about where I was at in my stage training, what I wanted to get out of Australia where I wanted to go and what job I wanted to do and then you go through your CV with all these details. At the end, I include some fee, I included some feedback from my tab from F two just as an extra thing and you can do that if you need to and then you want to find some references. I wouldn't name your references on your CV. Um Just because they will get hassled by your employers and until you know which job you want, I would hold off on giving them your references. But once you, you know, if you get a job from Sydney and you want that job, you find, identify your references and send them the details as soon as possible at that stage. And then the last part I think I've got here is just um what the interview is. So some places don't interview at all like in Queensland. Um and that may just be depending on how competitive they are. Um Some places like in New South Wales will use whitespace questions on the online application and I'm not convinced that they really read through those, but they make you do them anyway. Um, the best thing to do is to speak to people that have worked in the hospitals that you're wanting to go to or other location because they probably will ask you why you want to go to there and, you know, not somewhere else. Um, and then generally they ask you a couple of questions about your experience, any study or courses that you've done, um, and what you kind of wanna achieve next. And it's just a, it's a very infor, generally it's a pretty informal interview and they just want to get to know you and they're not trying to trip you up because the, um, Australian healthcare system relies on UK doctors and then they normally give you a clinical scenario, I think ones that I've had before. Um, you've got like a, a two week old that spikes fevers. Like, are you worried? What would you want to do? And I was asked that and I didn't have any peds experience and I said I was worried because I didn't have any experience and that was the right answer. And they, they're not, they just want to hear your thought process out loud or you could get a, uh, a, someone that's an elderly person that's fallen, what you, what you do with that. And again, it's just your, at e structure and it's not, it's not, um, super challenging at all. So what you guys can do in terms of looking at resources if you're interested, join these Facebook groups. They're very helpful. British Doctors in Australia is really good for logistical questions. I've got a few friends that have got partners that are in training programs. So if you're s two ST two se three or beyond, you can still come to Australia for a year if you need to or if you'd like to. And that group has a lot of people in those positions that are asking about jobs for registrars and how they kind of transfer those qualifications across. And then these other two groups are good fellowship, life transplant services is good. If you're looking for accommodation, there's a lot of people um that move from Australia to the UK that give up flats and houses and vice versa and then mind the believes, actually got an article from last year about Australia that goes through some of the stuff and then what me and a lot of my friends use are the Adventure Medic. Um There's an article on there that has a very good guide about the visa and what to expect with that. Um But I'll also be covering that in my um part two of the talk. So um just to wrap up, I have got some photos. So this is from my trip to Uluru, which is probably the highlight of my last year in Australia. Um It's in the northern territories. It's kind of in the Slack Bang of Australia, Uluru, which is the Big Rock there, formerly known as Ayers Rock. Um We went camping for four days and it was just an amazing experience. It was stunning. Uh Lots of amazing hikes, great weather um would thoroughly recommend but very easy to do. We flew in straight there from Sydney and then um here I've got some other photos of just some travels that I've done here up here. That's er in Newcastle. So um since I've been here, I've started running again, which is nice and that's one of the trail runs that we did. Um Up here is Nelson Bay, which is just 40 minutes up from Newcastle. Lovely spot down here is the Australian Open in Melbourne, the tennis which I went to in January, which was fun. Um Over here is Brisbane, my city got the Blue Mountains here which we went cleaning um and a sailing and then here are some koalas from Australia Zoo I think, which is the zoo that um Steve Owens family now take care of. And up here is also another image of Newcastle. We've got a lot of swimming spots and then we got go gold coast down here as well. Um But yeah, on the whole, we it's super easy to travel around. You can do as much or as little as you want. Um And yeah, I think that summarizes my talk pretty much. So, thanks for listening guys. Um I hope it's been interesting. I'll go with my email if you wanna get in touch. Um And then if you've got any questions, let me know if you, if there's questions in the chat in the chat, I'll look at those now. Um, but otherwise thanks for listening. Tune in next time, which I think that's gonna put a link on in the chat for the next part of the talk. I'll talk more about logistics of what to expect with your application, things to do with your GMC license. Um, the actual steps of the Visa and just kind of some of the boring stuff, but the essential stuff. Um So what I'll do is I'll stop sharing my screen and I'll just see if there's any questions, um, feel free to shoot them in the chat now. Um And otherwise I'd be very grateful for your feedback as well. Oh, Grace. Did you still want to see the? Oh, yeah, I'll go back to the timeline slide. Yeah, I'm just gonna, here you go. Oh, that's useful. This is just a rough timeline. There are a few other steps but these are the key ones that I'd I'd consider and it could be, you know, eight months from job interview to the day you leave Australia or it could be five months. It's really variable. Cool. Ok. Um Well, thanks very much guys. I hope that's been useful if there's any other questions, put them in the chat and I'm, I'm happy to respond. Um Yeah, thank you so much, Hansa. That was amazing. That was really, really interesting. Makes me want to move even though I'm now enjoy everyone should. Yeah. Um So I've sent the link to a feedback form. If everyone could complete that for Hamza, that would be brilliant. Um Hamza and both and Gareth are both gonna stick around for a little bit just in case in case there's any questions. And I'm also going to put a link to Hamza's second talk, which will be um on the second of October um in the chat as well. So you can sign up. Um From now, I think we've got a couple of questions coming in on the chat hamer. So I'll Oh yeah, cool. I'll have a look. Um the average timeline between job application for an F three role CV is being processed. So the it's a really variable timeline. Um And I don't know if there's any rhyme or reason to it. I'd say probably so for me, I applied in around February March um for jobs and then I left, I got my visa in late August, early September. So I'd say maybe six months, 67 months. Um but this is really dependent because year on year, you know, at the time we applied, there seemed to be loads of people going to Australia just from the UK. So the home office was very busy. Um And then I've had friends that have applied, submitted their visa application and then a week later got their visa granted. So it's super variable. It just depends on who your officer is that's allocated to you. And unfortunately, there's no way of speeding that up or delaying that. Um But I would say on average maybe like six months. Um So if you're, if you're thinking about going in February, for example, coming up to Australia, I'd get on that as soon as possible to secure a job. Um I hope that's helpful. Perfect. And there was another question asking whether the talk has been recorded, it has been and it will be uploaded very shortly so you can watch it back if you missed anything or just want to rewatch it again. Um ok, so if there's no further questions, um we'll end the talk there. Um which is just in time for nine o'clock. Um So thank you everyone for, for being here and we'll see you next time. Oh, sorry. One more question. How easy is it to get jobs that aren't in Ed? Yeah, sorry. I know I only spoke about Ed there. Um It's, it's relatively quite easy. You can get either rotational jobs, medical jobs, surgical jobs. Ed is the one that people tend to go for because it's probably where the need is the most things doctors and also it's a well rounded job because you'll get lots of surgical experience and you'll get lots of medical and ICU experience doing that job. Um, but if you ask around at the hospitals that you want to go to, um, and just get in touch with the right people at those hospitals, then they can probably give you surgical jobs or medical jobs if you like. Um, but Ed is the easiest and it's a little bit harder otherwise, but it's, it's not impossible if you, if you really wanna do, you know an orthopedic job, for example, I would say with surgical jobs, I think you get way less responsibility than you would in Ed or on medical wards. Um I personally wouldn't do a medical ward job either because I think it sounds quite similar to how it is in the UK in terms of the like exposure and the skills. Um Another question, do you recommend applying by directly to hospitals or by agencies or companies you can do both. The agencies are really useful in helping facilitate your applications and giving you advice on what to expect and helping with that process, which can be quite frustrating. I apply directly via to hospitals as I just, I thought that was the easiest for me personally, I would go directly um if you know where you want to go. Um But agencies can be useful going forward after a year. I'll be joining agencies to locum around Australia. Um Is there a scope of training in Australia after doing, after considering that per person clears AMC exams. Uh, yeah, for sure. Yeah. Lots of people go into training after a year or two in Australia once if you've got exams to do. Um, yeah, very, very doable and you can, depending on what you want to do, you can apply for a lot of things. Um, yeah. How long do you need to work before doing specialty training? I'd say you need to work for at least a year to get your full registration. Most people end up doing a couple of years before they can apply. Um And it just depends on the specialty I think and the exposure that you've got to it. But for example, being an ed, they, the consultants can help me get into the college. It's very, it's not as standardized as it is in the UK or centralized even. So my hospital can help me get into the college for training if I wanted to as opposed to there being a central online application where, you know, everyone's standardized. Um Yeah, but I, yeah, II haven't um explored that myself. So I don't know too much. Um Any other questions, if not feel free to um head off or shoot me an email um or message me otherwise I think that's probably good. Thanks everyone. Mm um Or all the specialties open for Im Gs or UK grads, all those in. Um I'm pretty sure you can apply to any specialty. Um, yeah, I think they're all, they're generally all open for I and UK Grans, I think for certain jobs like fellow jobs or, um, they, they don't, they sometimes prefer Australian Grans. So, for example, if you want to do a year in anesthetics as a fellow or critical care, then they might, um, they might prefer Australian grads to UK grads. Whereas an ed, it's very, but they rely on a lot more on English doctors. So yeah, you, but you could push for one if you really wanted. Um Yeah, I'll send my email on the chat now. Um The terminology, sorry, I didn't touch on earlier. Sho or Ph O I actually don't know the difference between those two cos here we use um residents. So RM O or Srm O. I would talk to the hospital that you're applying to, to find out what you're suited to. I think probably Sh Os I'm not 100% sure what Ph O is. Um But yeah, talk, talk to the hospitals you apply for and say that you're APG Y three or P gy four or wherever you are and what level you'd be suited to given your experience. But most of the time it's like a sho srm O role. I mean, I can offer some commentary if you'd like in that respect previously, all the states um did their own licensing, medical licensing. Hence, they've got different terms. Js Hop, hs, whatever it is. But, um, someone who goes, goes over as ap three sho generally you'd be looking at, um, a, what, a PH O primary principal house officer role or you could even apply for a junior registrar role. Um, something along those terms. Um, so they'd all, yeah, they all kind of a, around the PG three upwards type kind of, uh, uh, uh, um, level really. But, yeah, you'll find lots of terms in different states which, which probably mean the same thing. But because of the history of, of like they've been called different things and I think there was one question for you as well, Gareth um in the chart that says, what are the benefits of agencies like skilled medical? Um There's pros and cons to, to agency all going direct. I think probably the, the benefit I would say is that as an agency, historically, we know who's going to need UK doctors. Um the hospitals in Sydney in Melbourne, um you know, sometimes I everyone may not know much about, you know, everywhere in Australia and those hospitals typically get lots of applications. Um someone who's, who works in our head office in Melbourne, they used to work in medical staffing at a hospital in Melbourne. Um and that hospital got on average 75 applications for a role that was only accepting 10 doctors. So, you know, very competitive. So, um I suppose we, we obviously we apply on your behalf. So if we have a conversation and we have an idea of a location that you'd like to be based in, then, you know, you go off and do your regular day job and we'll work in the background, speak to clients, speaking to departments, trying to find you a role. Um, that would suit what you're looking for and we can kind of do that. Well, you're taking care of something else, you know, the the application process, you're having to go through the portals, you're having to fill out forms, um which I recommend you do anyway because um it, it, it, it definitely broadens your opportunities, you know, there's no right way, right, agency or, or direct, but definitely get as many kind of, you know, cars on the table and kind of then choose where to go from there. Um But um yeah, we kind of, you know, like I said, historically, we know who was reputing. We know, um we sometimes kind of can send your, your CV across without any form of application, all it needs is a, is a CV and, and possibly an idea to verify who you are and we can get you an interview that way. Um And then obviously we help you through the process of going through APRA um going through your visa. Um But look it, it's up to you, some people like to research and do it by themselves. Um And uh the I suppose the the biggest benefit of, of that would be that a a is that a hospital would rather take a doctor direct than paying an ac fee. Um But um then again, there's lots of hospitals out there that, that don't recruit, uh or fully staffed their, their rosters because not lots of doctors know everywhere in Australia. So amazing. Thank you. And then there's just one other question that's come through. Um Well, actually two, first one I think is for you, Gareth, it says, will you charge for advice in finding a suitable job? No, of course not. That's uh that's definitely not what we do. We uh we make our income from a number of resources. Uh One of them is advertising but mainly primarily by finding your job. Uh the state has set fees that they pay to agencies. So uh we, we don't negotiate a fee via you, the the doctor or anything like that. Our services are free. Um We get paid when we place you. So we have to work hard to get you a job to make it worth our while. So, um you know, um if we realistic, think that, you know, we can't find a job. If you say look, I want to be only based in Sydney, these hospitals will say, you know, apply direct, we can't help you. But no, there's no cost to you, I think um also just to touch on the other benefit of an agency is that our um locum division is the second largest in Victoria State. So, if you did want to start working as a locum, um after you've, you've got your full APRA uh we can even um buy out the remainder of your visa if you want to work full time as a locum. So something to keep in mind as well. Uh Just answer, answer call's question um after F two best to go for SRM O position. So an intern would be an F one, an RM O would be an F two and then an SRM O would be kind of like the sho post F two doctor up until your registrar. Cool. Um If no further questions, I might head off. Thank you so much Hanser and thank you Gareth. Much appreciated. Thanks for joining Gareth. Welcome. Thank you.