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Did you guys see the slides? Yes. OK, good. Yeah, as I said, I'll give it a couple of minutes. Isn't there gonna be a particularly long um talk? Yes, it will be recorded. Um All of the Beamer talks or med all are automatically recorded and uploaded. So you should be able to watch it, watch it back. Did you want to covid's probably like start then I don't know how many people are, are expecting to be honest, but uh I just get cracking. So uh good evening. It's nice to meet you all. I'm su Ash. I'm 1/4 year medical student at UCL. I feel like portfolio stuff is just not explained very well. So I was kind of hoping in this talk to give you guys whatever stage of your training you're at uh whatever year you are just an insight into what you can do and what actually matters with regards to the portfolio and then and and how that can affect and help your future basically as, as an aspiring doctor. Um So what we're gonna cover is why is your, why is your medical portfolio important? When can you start thinking about it, why does one need to build a medical portfolio? Like what again, like building off of what's its importance and how you might go about building it. So the uh the two kind of portfolios I'm looking at specifically are the surgical portfolios. So for course surgical training and then internal medicine uh as those are kind of the main two that that people tend to apply for. Uh and then a few bits on how Beaver can help out with that. Um And then some useful links at the end, which will come alongside the slides when I blo will load them to um to this event. Um Also feel free to pop any questions in the chat or speak if I'm going too fast or too slow or if you just have a question. Um Otherwise I'm just gonna kind of carry on with the talk. But yeah. Ok. So why is your portfolio important? So first things first when it comes to the portfolio, it's, it's important. But what's most important is actually passing medical school and becoming er a competent doctor. Basically, someone who's gonna safely treat patients is knowledgeable. And um yeah, it's competent as, as it says, so that should be your first and foremost priority uh when you're at medical school. But the portfolio is a bit of a tricky one, cos a lot of people don't really know where to start. It's kind of a reflection of your, you as an individual in terms of your, your accolades, what skills you may have developed um as well as the knowledge uh that you've cultivated throughout medical school and throughout your a and as well as things like your passions and interests that, that are strictly medical in that sense. Uh And yeah, it's, it's gonna showcase the people who are interviewing you as the portfolio is now kind of routinely assessed as part of an interview. Uh When, when you apply for your trading posts, it's gonna showcase to them that you actually know what you wanna do and why you wanna do it and that you have sufficient evidence to support your case. Um But yeah, it's important to note that for foundation training. So that's F one and F two, your portfolio doesn't really matter because you'll get randomly allocated such as the system now. Um But it does matter a couple of years after your f your uh after your found after your foundation training, um which I'll get onto, but essentially there's not any rush to, to, to kind of go to town on it yet. But uh there are some useful things to think about when you're in medical school that you can, you can try and get done. So yeah, uh as I said, it, it doesn't really matter when you start thinking about it. Uh You probably have to once you start foundation trading, but um the earlier the better basically. So although it's not urgent, you can think, thinking about it early helps because it means you can get on things like research projects, go to conferences and explore different leadership roles in different medical organizations. So things like the BMA Beaver um GMC um and loads of other li like different medical societies that you can become a representative uh in and champion for uh medical students and really enforce change. Um But yeah, so as it says at the top, it, it becomes important when you're applying for course surgical training or internal medicine. So it's like, are you gonna do surgery if not just like normal clinical medicine? Um And this could be two or three years after medical school. So after F one and F two, you'll then start applying uh for your CST or I MT. Um unless you take an F three, which is the voluntary third year that you can do to again help build up your portfolio in that time. Um The reason you should start thinking about it earlier rather than later is because once you become a doctor and you start working, there's just not as much time as you think. Um especially as an F one uh having been on placement myself, I can see how much WAC they're given to do on a day to day and they'll have night, multiple night shifts and bearable shifts and this, that and the other, so things you can get done in medical school make your life a lot easier downstream. Um OK, so why do you need to build it? So as I said, the main thing is obviously, if you want a competitive application, you can also apply for things such as a specialized foundation program. Um or another thing is an academic clinical fellow post. So these are like as it says, posts where you, you get time to explore your passions in medicine. Um whether that be through the form of research, um whether that be projects, running conferences um or reviewing care within the hospital that you're working in. Um So if you, if you did want to apply for an S FP, then it's probably worth reading up on it seeing if it's something you're interested in because then you know whether to make a start on the application like ear early doors. Um The other thing to know is if you apply for some of the more uh competitive specialties of your kind of set on neurosurgery, cardiothoracic surgery, pediatrics, these kind of run through specialties are extremely competitive and have limited posts. So that's why you need a really comprehensive portfolio to, to even stand within the chance of being considered. And so usually people who are applying for these specialties are have done a fair bit of portfolio building during medical school, whether that be through their Neurology Society, uh organizing conferences, running uh teaching sessions, talks, presentations, uh et cetera, et cetera. So So do you want to apply for an S FP ACF or 11 of the run through specialties? I'd strongly consider thinking about thinking about your port portfolio as soon as you can. Um But yeah, the key here as well is you wanna be doing these things cos you're interested in them, otherwise they become a really monotonous and taxing tick box exercise. So, genuinely find something you're interested in. For example, myself, I did sports medicine as my I BSC and did a research project which was kind of combining sports medicine and a bit of neuroscience. And that was really interesting to me. And so the whole process of go of writing the dissertation and coming up with the research project just made it a lot easier to kind of carry out. Whereas if you're doing something you're not interested in, it will become a tick box exercise and it will also become not very manageable alongside medical school, which I'm well aware is quite difficult for a lot of people. Anyway, um see you, it's important to do something you're interested in and then find ways in which you can use your passion to then help you to tick those boxes, get the highest points, highest scores on some of those. Uh So some of those criteria for the portfolio application. So things that could go in your portfolio. So first things first, extra degrees, but in terms of investments, with regards to time and potentially money as well. It's probably not best in the best in terms of returns. Um, and also it's, it's, you, you've really gotta want to do a whole other degree to actually do it. Um, I wouldn't say do it for the sake of, uh, getting some more points on your application, do it because you're interested in it. Um, and you might do some cool research alongside that and actually then look forward to getting that published or um put 1 ft in the door with regards to research in that field. Some medical schools offer phd programs that A UCL does. Um should that be of interest to you then by all means do it is a massive time commitment but it definitely um it's, it's something to consider, as I said, for those run through specialties uh which have very limited trading posts. A phd can really flesh out your portfolio and, and show that you've done some meaningful uh work uh in o on that subject, academic achievement kind of speaks for itself. Uh Medical students are, are obviously all very bright people. Um But there is some value to prizes that you may win during medical school for a uh outstanding academic achievement. Um And so that usually falls within being in the top dec aisle of your cohort. Um So something to consider if you, you know, if that's something you've already done, um or if you've won any prizes like Dean's Prizes et cetera. Keep hold of them all because they become useful in highlighting that you're an, you're an outstanding academic achiever and can again boost your portfolio, clinical audits and quality improvement. Uh Definitely a bit more tricky to do as a medical student. But um worth speaking to your F ones and F twos about once you're on, end up on placement. I don't know how many of you are in your uh clinical years yet. Uh, but when you do get on to kid years, speak to the F ones, they have really good insight cos they, they, they've been where you are and they know what to do. Sorry, I just realized I've got a question on the chat, er, P GC alongside F one. I'll be honest, I don't know, I don't actually know what PG cert is. Um, so I couldn't tell you but if you've heard that a lot of people do it then probably, yes, it's probably feasible. Um, the only reason I say it is cos everyone manages an actual job quite differently. Um, and with the way that the foundation? Oh, ok. Yeah, I, II mean, it, I'm, I, I'm pretty sure it's, it's doable. The only reason I said, you know, it, it gets tough once you start foundation is, is because one, you don't know where you're gonna be pretty much because of how the, how the allocations are now. And that can be quite tough to manage. Alongside them doing further qualifications. Um, and, and two was just like time once you have an actual job, um, people are like a lot of the a ones I speak to, they're very tired by the end of the day. So to kind of go home and then continue working on something when they, they have exams, um, and other things and other commitments to kind of prepare for. Um, it becomes quite hard to juggle it all. But to be honest with a lot of this, it's, it's a case of or the individual, how would, how would you manage it? Um Do you do a lot of medical school already? For example, I play a lot of sports. So I find, and that takes up a lot of my time. So I found portfolio building quite difficult. Um but I try and do it whenever I get opportunities to. So it's a case of like, would you be able to balance it with the, with the job? I mean, that's hard to know. Well, you're in medical school at the moment but um short answer is uh yes, I don't know if that was helpful. Sorry, I um waffle a lot. But yeah, the other thing is research projects. So you'll hear, you'll have heard about these. Um look, I think it's, it's a little bit, it's not really taboo cos like a lot of medical students talk about it but also like, not a lot of people talk about stuff they're doing but they're actually doing a lot. The important thing is to think about what you can do. So, as I said, find something you're interested in. If you, if you do a BSC at your UN, your UNI, that, er, offers an I BSC or something, use that. Yeah, an opportunity to create a good piece of work. Um, and try and get it published uh because it's all well and good having like multiple, multiple publications, but you want to ensure that there's quality in there as well. Um And that quality will be reflected by the journals and er for er forums in which that publication gets put. So I think as I, as I get onto the C scoring criteria, um the main, one of the main criteria is having a actual PUBMED ID for your publication. So that's something to consider when, when you think about research projects, but when it comes to actually getting onto a research project, different ports of call, you can have uh other medical students cos they'll know about opportunities that are happening. There's loads of things that go around kind of uni er medical group chats uh with regards to research projects and research opportunities. The other thing is to take initiative yourself and I'm sure you guys will have met or been on placement with many doctors or end up being on placement with many doctors. Um and usually reaching out via email or in person and just asking a bit about, you know, what they do, what research they do. Are there any opportunities for you to get involved? Um, it's just taking a bit of initiative, uh can usually pay off and a lot of times people will say no, but you might meet one doctor who's, who's one really nice, a two, a great supervisor in terms of the support that they give you in the actual process of making the project and writing it up the data analysis, et cetera, et cetera. Um But also that you're quite interested in and be doing some very meaningful research for the field. So if you can kind of get that with regards to a research project, then that's good as opposed to kind of trying to out as many as you can or hopping on cos being first author, et cetera, it matters uh as you'll find out. Um Oh Pier. Uh I don't know if what I said, just answered your question but um like diff into the circles where academic medicine is, is a, is a focal point. So things like any medical societies that are involved that are, are at a are at your uni um usually a good start because they'll have contacts. The people who run them are usually very um not usually, but they, they're generally pretty academic and they're generally pretty, pretty switched on. So they can usually um put you in contact with people uh uh people or doctors who are involved in research, um speaking to C er CL clinical teaching fellows are usually a good start cos their, their whole job is is to kind of tea teach and look after medical students. So if you've got clinical teaching fellows at your local hospitals, you can reach out to them, they may be able to direct you to some doctors who can help you with research projects. Um But I'd say the first thing is if, if you're doing an I BSC, try and I mean, that's a research project to try and put a decent amount of effort into that and make it a good piece of work and to take some initiative, just generally cold, cold emailing, some doctors may pay off. Um And what you, it's always like you need to sell yourself a bit as well. So you need to say like what you can offer in terms of time commitments and the skills that you have. So if you're acquainted with data analysis, for example, I had to use our studio for my um dissertation for my data analysis. Um Some other systems are like S PSS starter. If you're well acquainted with these um doctors will always be willing to take you on because you guys will have way more time than the F ones and FT S um that may already be on the projects. Um say cold emailing doctors or, or even if you're on placement and see doctors speak to them. Um, and it's just kind of getting over the anxiety of, oh, I'm gonna have to ask them and they might say no. Yeah, they might say no, but you won't, um, you won't get, if you don't ask basically. Um, and also look internally within your medical school. You know, the people in charge, um, they, they, um, and personal tutors, uh, if you have medical tutors, uh they're usually good people to talk to when it comes to like research. But all in all it's, it's quite um it's quite hard to get on projects. You've just kind of got to know, got to know the right people. And so that's where beamer can kind of come in. Um As I'll talk about later. Uh But yeah, medical societies, doctors use your I BSC. I don't know. Hopefully that helps. Um So yeah, just carrying on what else can go in your portfolio. So, presentations. So these can be post the presentations. Um So post presentations are usually a nice colorful uh poster which summarizes your project and it'll basically get put up and there'll be a poster session where people will come up to you, look at your poster, ask you a bit about your research project and actually, yeah, to, to add on to what you your question pier just going to conferences, puts you in room in, in a room with people who are really interested in research. And the thing is they're not always strictly medical, they could be like biomedical engineers, they could be working in um research and genetics or they, they, they're, they're not, not necessarily doctors. So I think attending conferences is actually a really good start. Uh when it comes to kind of networking with the people uh who could get you involved in research projects, be important point on national or international. Uh I mean, like as a starting point, it doesn't really matter. But if it is international, then that's great. Um gives you more points prizes, as I said, academic achievement. Um But then there's also lots of other things you can do. So there's lots of these essay competitions um that you can get involved in. And a lot of the time, a lot of people don't really enter them because they don't have the time. There's no harm in entering an essay comp uh competition and just putting in a submission, who knows you might win something, but it also all just adds to your portfolio. Um things like medical education, uh which kind of ties in with teaching as I'll talk about and even any grants or scholarships that you've got um f for uh funding for kind of medical outreach or medical uh medical research. For example, these are all the things you can put on your application um to showcase the fact that, you know, you've, you've, you've achieved something and you've uh been, you know, granted money or a scholarship et cetera to showcase for, for your achievements. Um Also any prizes you get from conferences, very important to record those um prizes that you would get, for example, for the best poster for the best um oral presentation, um et cetera teaching experience. This is definitely something you can do at medical school. Uh So you'll find that a lot of elder years in your, in your medical schools will commit to teaching you guys about uh different topics. Um And so the the importance when it comes to teaching is, is actually delivering us some sort of teaching program or course over a regular period of time. Um two medical students. So that could be on anything. I mean, b beer kind of does it basically um with our kind of preclinical teaching series. But uh should you want to do that to um teach, teach younger students in your university, for example, uh medical students that is um that kind of add up to help build your portfolio, teaching and training is something more suited to like F ones F twos. And then leadership, as I mentioned, you can get involved in different uh national medical groups. So BMA GMC um are usually good ones, rule, rule society for GPS or surgeons anywhere where you can be a representative for medical students and look to enforce some form of change. Um It's all relevant and showcases leadership but also in a medical setting. Um and it also shows that you've taken the time to kind of read up, understand uh what's important to incoming doctors and what needs to change. Um So a good starting point is obviously like the the smaller kind of so medical societies you might have within your university. So for example, Neurology, Psychiatry Society, Cardiology society, or just the general medical society, um get involved with those because usually you can work your way up the committee and then once you get to the kind of one of some of the larger roles, your opportunities expand exponentially. Um because you're just in contact with, with more people who are gonna give you opportunities, more doctors, um you're gonna start running conferences, et cetera and that's, that's great for your portfolio. The other thing is if you're like, absolutely set on what you wanna do uh showing early commitment to specialty, it will o it can only come across well. Um And so as I said before, you wanna try and thr through showing your commitment to specialty, for example, through pieces of work, you've done case reports, essays, um any research that you've done, um any teaching that you've done, for example, can showcase that you, you're interested and committed to a certain specialty. And so um that can only come across by uh when it comes to the, the scoring of your portfolio and, and how that comes across to the doctors who are scoring you, right? So this is the, this is for core surgical training. The these are, these are like screenshots from like the actual er website itself um or that you don't really need to worry about. But the reason I'm showing you this is because like you wanna make sure you take good care of all of these documents that you get. Uh once you start getting involved in conferences um and, and producing pieces of work publications, et cetera because the evidence needs to be uploaded as part of your portfolio. Um So it's important that whatever you do, even if you don't think it'll be particularly useful, just keep the letter of acceptance, keep the, keep the uh certificate for the prize or whatever. Um Just make sure you keep it all in a safe place. Um And I organize these documents because you, you may need them downstream and you, you don't know when it's gonna come in handy with regards to teaching. Um feedback is also always really important. So, feedback from the people you're teaching um is a form of evidence to show that you've delivered the teaching sessions. So uh as you'll see at the end of my presentation, I've got a feedback form. But any teaching that you do just always remember to get feedback, you can set up a QR code via Google forms or whatever. But feedback, feedback, feedback, it's really important. So I couldn't, I mean, like I, I've attached the links to these websites in the, in the um in the last slide for people to kind of read in their own time. But this is just a snippet of what you would need to get the top score on your surgical portfolio. So is saying you've won a prize or an oral presentation at a national or international medical conference basically. Um And that's after being invited to do so, the other thing is for publications, your first author of a PUBMED cited publication and that's not including case reports or editorial letters. So this is like a legit publication. So again, I'm just stressing the kind of evidence, but then also giving you guys an idea of like what's the most you can do so that you anything less than this will still get you points. Um And so what are thinking about if you've already done it? Um There you go. Yeah, teaching, I've worked with local educators to deliver a comprehensive program and it's this for the surgical portfolio. It defines it as four or more teaching sessions. Um And that's for healthcare professionals or medical students. So this is why you can, this is stuff you can do at medical school, basically, right? You can, you could write a short teaching series and um ens ensuring you've got sufficient feedback and then also um someone to kind of attest AAA senior, for example, a doctor or um some form of senior um to sign off and say that you delivered this teaching. Um Again, this is just something so easy that you can do in medical school and we'll get you four marks on your surgical portfolio. Um Yeah, so for I MT it's, it's more or less the same, there's these, I guess sticks uh components. Um by the way, that was not the complete surgical portfolio, but it was just a snippet and I tried to include the things that you can do in medical school. So teaching and, and presentations um for I mt uh as you can see for the presentation side, it's giving an oral presentation. So it's, it's not actually placing any emphasis on prize, but just being invited to do a presentation um could get you 88 points um and more than one poster. So that, that is where having kind of multiple public er mu multiple projects on the go can be useful because you can so that you've done a breadth of research, for example, not just exclusively systematic reviews or exclusively, like you've done some primary research, but you've also worked with secondary data. Um But yeah, well, look, even for the for two points, I was a significant contributor to an oral presentation or a national International meeting and you don't even have to be there, but you contributed to an oral presentation, right? This is what I'm saying. So if you work from the top down, you'll realize that you've probably done a lot of these things already and you need to keep track of him um because that'll all help in your portfolio. Did you experience IM for the I MT criteria expresses er specifically three months or longer of regular teaching um as opposed to kind of four or more sessions for the surgical portfolio, either or it's pretty easy to do this over the course of three months. Um And yeah, it's pretty easy to do this in medical school because preclinical students will always want extra teaching and clinical students will always want to revise stuff that they've already done um for whatever reason. Um So teaching is actually really good and I think for me, if I could teach something pretty well, then it means I know it pretty well. So it's like a win, win really. Um So just, just do it, just get a, just find a, find a group of friends if you've got some um kind of preclinical students that you, that you're in touch with through your sports teams or um other societies, for example, um just do it, just organize a little group and, and, and do some teaching for them. Um because it's, it's so easy to do when you're in medical school, but very hard to do once you're in f one with a lot of extra commitments and publications, it was more or less the same for the surgical portfolio. Um First author of one or more public. So you don't even need to really have multiple publications. It's having that one orig one piece of original research that's PUBMED cited um that can get you four points uh and can be done during medical school um with the right supervisor and the right guidance. So, yeah, the last bit I just wanted to talk about was how Beamer can help you out with this. So my role in Beamer is that I'm basically the preclinical lead, the head of Preclinical Education. Um So it's my job to organize these sessions and um organize any teaching that you guys receive and ensure that it's to a decent, decent standard. Basically um in doing a lot of this, I end up ticking a lot of the boxes um for the portfolio um specifically for the teaching side be also he holds networking events where you can beco where you can get in touch with like minded individuals and even speak to doctors and consultants um to talk about or ask about research opportunities and also um just general medicine, what they do and if you're interested in their field of work, um people has also held in the past post presentations where you can come present your poster and because it's be a is nat is a national organization, um It can kind of help you to tick off that box in your portfolio. Um So say he came and did a presentation or uh did a poster presentation at one of fema's like er conferences, for example, you could then use that on your portfolio. Um There's also mentorship schemes that run throughout Beamer. Um specifically, with regards to research and audits, a lot of this, you can get involved in j just honestly is a case of er sorry co co uh contacting the the relevant contacts in the in Beamer. So um I'm head of pre clean, but there's also an academic lead. Um and we've got multiple patrons as well who um not only provide a guiding under the wheel but are also very happy to kind of help uh with portfolio stuff. Um sh should you be involved in Beamer leadership roles? So as I, as I said, II personally have a preclinical lead role here for Beamer. Um But this is also uh a good time to say, like get on committee next year, do something. Um You never know the friends or contacts you're gonna make and how that might help you downstream. Um And just being within Beamer itself puts you in a network of, of some very handy individuals um uh who may or may not be at your uni for example, and um have already done lots of research and been looking for more students to, to take on, take on board for their, their own research. And the other thing is obviously beer has a surgical wing. So if you're really interested in surgery. You can always just apply to be on visa um and focus strictly on the surgical side of things. Um But yeah, essentially like being on be a committee can put you in contact with a lot with some very helpful people. When it, when it comes to the portfolio, you can also deliver teaching via beer and tick off the teaching um tick box. And then there's also events and conferences and forums that beamer runs where you can actually present some of this research that you may have done um and, and use it to strengthen your portfolio, so be a offers a lot um in that regard. And that's why I highly recommend any of you watching to, to get involved with be a um at every opportunity, there's plenty of subcommittees um and things to get involved in even if you aren't o strictly on, on main committee. Um But yeah, there's some useful links. Uh The top one is the I MT where I got the scoring for the I MT application. The second one is for the surgical application. Third one is um some information on uh S FP. Um Oh yeah. Uh That's pretty much it. Uh I'll just answer this question from Miss Bar. Uh Just give me a second. I'll read it. I think reflection's always good because it shows that whatever you've done, you've, you've actually thought about it and say you gave a presentation. Um But this research you were gonna kind of present multiple times at different conferences, et cetera. You wanna show that there's some form of improvement because that comes across well in your portfolio obviously, right? Um So I'd say there's no harm in um in reflecting and you probably should, the sort of things to think about are just like, I just go for the standard structure of like d uh what, what, well, even better if um and then if you wanna get into the nitty gritty, um making sure whatever you did was uh extremely professional, was it in the form? Um Cos formatting is quite important when it comes to presenting work um to doctors, um things like for the, the format. Um what would you improve the next in the next time? And um yeah, reflecting on the process of, of actually making that piece of work. So the whole designing the research plan, if you made a protocol for your, for your project, for example, um what would you change whether there like this is all things you can think about? Um uh I don't know if that answered your question, er Miss Barr, but I hope that I know it uh is it necessary to be, uh this is not a question that I actually know the answer to? Um, but I think, yeah, I, II don't know whether it's a good idea for me to like, say an answer to this because II genuinely don't know but, um, some my understanding would be no, uh, Saja. Um, but it is kind of a, so I be like, this isn't the only, uh, kind of ethnic medical association that exists. There's plenty of those out there. I'm pre, um, pretty sure there's one for, um, there's, is British, I think there's the Tamil British Tamil British Medical Tamil Association. Uh, yeah. Yeah. No, sorry. I, uh, be sure I, II don't have a, an answer for it to be honest, but I'm sure I'm sure I, I'm sure it wouldn't be an issue. Um And to be honest, beam are always looking for an extra pair of hands. So it doesn't really matter whoever it is to get involved. Um Is there any more questions that people have uh do fill out the feedback form? II think you automatically get sent it after the presentation anyway. But, and uh yeah, for another feedback because then I know if this was useful or not. Cos II II said at the start, I wanted to give you guys an insight into like into the portfolio, but if I haven't done that, then I need to know. Um and I'll get someone to, to run it better next time. Um But I've scheduled this from 6 to 7, so I, I'm happy to stick around for another fo maybe like a couple of minutes. If people do have questions, I'll try and go back to the previous questions and see if there's anything I've really missed getting involved in research projects is just, it's, it's a pain. But the best thing you can do is show some initiative, basically, show some initiative and show some interest. And a lot of the times that's enough doctors are always looking to offload work, research, et cetera. And that's where you can come in, even even in stuff like audits like clinical audits. Um Auditor, essentially a review of clinical practice, for example, you might do a review of a Clinic of Clinical Practice in a specific ward. Uh And you review that over a certain period of time, put in, put in your change and then review how that change has been taken up. And if that's made any changes to clinical practice, not clinical about, sorry, ch any changes to actual outcomes. Um and a lot of the times medical students can kind of be helpful as an extra pair of hands and that um yes, as I said, Miss Barb, always important to reflect er with whatever you do um because it shows um it shows personal growth as well is bes mentorship scheme associated with a free with, with a fee. Sorry, what are your thoughts on how different mentorship honors impact the quality of mentorships? Yeah, I mean, that's a tough question. I think so to answer the first question, I I'm not entirely sure, I know there's, there's like a, there's like a membership that beer offers it was like a thing called like a go um, membership that gave you some extra, oh, gave you some extra um, things as part of the membership. Um, but I don't ii honestly don't think it, it is associated with the fee because, um, I mean, it's been running for years now so I think uh I can check, er with the, er, with the prez and uh, th those above me and see. Um, but yeah, not, not entirely sure when, when it comes to the first question, my thoughts on different membership models is like the, I think medical students shell out a lot of money as it is for um purely for things like as dumb as it sounds but for things like passed geeky medics ques be um you know, even if you're paying memberships for certain societies, it's all a lot of money and medical school isn't cheap cos you're paying six years of uni fees as well. So I think so I like you shouldn't really be paying for a mentorship model and you shouldn't really be having to pay to end up with some good opportunities. You should be able to have the connections within your medical school by just speaking to other medical students becoming parts of medical societies. Um So, ah th thanks for uploading that link. Um Yeah, please do get involved in the mentorship scheme if you, if you can. Um But yeah, my, my honest opinion is that you shouldn't be, you shouldn't be having to pay, you shouldn't be having to pay to build your portfolio. You guys are smart and bright enough as it is. Um And with uh with the right guidance and the right contacts, um you should, you should be able to get, you know, get all of this stuff on the portfolio done uh as early as you can basically. So specifically the teaching and the and the kind of research projects are definitely things you can do at medical school and also your medical schools will run mentorship programs themselves. Um Sorry, get involved in those because just speaking to LDA S in your own medical school can give you um some good insight uh when it comes to research. Right? Yeah, the, the like the fact that there are people out there like trying to extort medical students for, for public pub publication of a systematic review is, is it kind of baffles me a bit? I'm, I'm very much against it. Um And II can't speak for the quality of the guidance because II haven't had, I haven't done it myself, but I'm sure there's, there's people who would have paid for that kind of stuff. And yeah, my honest opinion would be to speak to them and see whether it was actually worth it at the end of the day. It's your money so you can do whatever you want with it. I don't think you should personally, I don't think you should have to pay for it though. Like, all right. Are there any other burning questions? Otherwise, I'm sure people have things to do. So, uh, Thursday evening. So please do fill out the feedback one more minute. Yeah, there's one thing you take away from today. It's keep track of any prizes, any essay competitions you win, et cetera. Just anything medical that you've done, like academic or medical that you've done and you've got a certificate, a prize, some sort of achievement, some sort of award. Just keep, keep track of it because you never know where when it might come in handy basically and it can actually help you a lot in the long run. Um Bye. So it is 552. I haven't had any more questions. Uh So I think I'll end it here. Um But I hope you guys found this useful if you didn't oats on the application form. Whi which application form is this? Bye. Fine. Well, sh the deer has deleted the message now. So I can't actually see. Um, sorry man, II II can't really help you out with that. Um ok. Resolved. But uh sweet. Uh I'll copy this link as well and I'll circulate it in our, in our beer communities. Um All right. Thanks for sending that. Was it? Um ok. Oh, end it here then. I hope you guys have a nice evening. Hope medical school's going. Alright, I know, it can be quite stressful. Um So just remember to take it easy some days, you know, just take some time for yourself every day. Um And if you're interested in Beamer at all, then shoot me a message or the President or the Instagram or whatever. I'm sure there's ways we can get you involved um and help us do what we do. All right. Thank you guys.