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Where does it go? Yeah, sorry, sorry, sorry. Um Hello everyone. Thank you so much for coming to our LM A society event today. We have two brilliant speakers. We have um Tanya Jayo who is a current fourth year medical student and was the prize winner for LM A in her year. And it, we have a third year medical student, Dorsa Dory who is care of LM A society at the moment. Um I must, I'm LMP education Officer. Um I won't be speaking but these guys will um thank you for everyone who will be attending and I'm just gonna pass it over to these two lovely people. Thank you. Thank you if we could have the next light for. So just what we're gonna go through today is I'm gonna do a very quick introduction into what LA is. Um And then we're gonna have the main talk um and we'll have AQ and A at the end, please do put your questions in the chat as we go and we'll try to answer as many as we can afterwards. So, um hello, I do as Mr who has already mentioned, I'm your LM A chair. For this year. And I just want to do a brief introduction on what LM A actually is and why it's important not only for your exams, but also um in the future as a clinician. So essentially lifestyle medicine and prevention is all about supporting people with healthy behaviors such as sleep diet and exercise in order to help prevent the onset of chronic disease. So this is proven by research and the idea is that if we can help prevent diseases from happening in the first place, this will reduce our reliance on secondary and tertiary interventions. And oh, so what do we actually do as a society? Um It's really important for us to help promote healthy living amongst both medical students and the NHS and patients. So we have lots of events throughout the year such as the Great Exhibition Road Festival, health coaching, as well as volunteering opportunities in schools. So if that's anything that you're interested in, please keep an eye out and join up for those, we also provide you guys with lots of academic support. So this is the first of many editorials to come throughout the year, which are really helpful because they condense the goals into much more digestible material for you. We'll also be putting out some new questions and we're collaborating with Med Ed to create a fresh pair of notes which will be very helpful for you guys. We're also launching a buddy mentoring scheme. So you can sign up to be matched up with an old year. We can give you advice on our map. So please do sign up for that if that's something you would find helpful. And lastly, we organize lots of different events throughout the year. So this year we'll be launching our first ever a conference, which is a really great networking opportunity. So keep an eye out for that as well. Thank you over to Tanya. OK. Hi, everyone. My name is Tanya. Uh as uh said, I'm the fourth year. I do the Gastro BSE. Um And yeah, I'm just talking to you a bit about and what I did and I was second year. So why a so I took these bullet points actually from one of the goals that you're gonna have there. Um And this is literally what it says like about 80% of heart disease, 30 to 50% of cancer. Um And in general useful. Well, you have to do it. Um It gives you advice in global, it shows you alternative careers. So if you really like the course uh this year, you could think about going into public health. It's also got lots of research opportunities, for example, the global health when you come to fourth year and you have to pick it. Um They do lots of research. I know it's published in like very famous um high impact factor. And also, yeah, it's Richard Pins course and you have to do it. So there's no really, you have to do it. It doesn't matter why to go to more about second year. What is your arm up exam? I know it's early days, but it's to early start knowing what you're gonna have to do here. So this is of your overall kind of second year marks, you know, alongside. Um And so it's a two hour written exam and it should consist of 100 years. So for a year or two years ago, um it was eight ba s and 20 bu but this can change. And so um Richard Pinder does these kind of like Q and A session and um where you can ask him specifically and he will tell you the exact kind of um breakdown of how many questions you have. So just check it, this might not be the same, but that's what it was for our year. And then finally, the thing that I guess is most different to all the other exams you've ever had is that you're allowed to bring in notes. So you get 10, a four pages of notes which are double sided. So actually you have like 20 pages of notes, which is a page I can bring with you into the exam. So this is kind of a new detail. So now to move on the section of the LM A exam and of L you're gonna study this year. So you got already start some epi epidemiology and this is the first block. I think it's actually quite a good idea that they teach it first because, um, it, um, in all the other element studio, you'll think that it is, it's the only block that you should try and come. Um, right before the exam, let's look at it a bit before. Like you have that big East Sunday. So my advice for so and once and doing the mop. So at the end of the first time, so now you guys are November. So by December, they're gonna give you uh an a mop which will be up on in. Um And once you've done all, all the goal, I think you, it's a great idea to do the mock. So say you haven't been doing the goals right now, that's completely fine. Like not everyone does them before the sessions and circumstances, whatever, but try to do the mock once you've done the goal because you like the whole the first time and you've just gone, gone to the sessions but not done. The gos. The mock weren't really make any sense to you. So just go through the goals once and then to the mock. So when I did the mock, I got 50%. Actually, the first time I tried it, I was after doing the go just once. So don't worry if your score is really low, you don't really know what's going on. It doesn't really matter um, but just do it anyway because it's useful. The point of the mock is not to like, that's not the, and the, it's not gonna be a mark, but it just gives you an idea of the task and I'll do the mock again. So you've done, but keep on doing it. So if you've gone through the goals once, that was the second time, then do it. And if you, it will get easier, you understand more and more, the more you go through the goals and the more you dissect kind of just epi I know there's a question bank and a question and things for that. So those are really, really useful and normally I'm not an an person at all, I've never ever used it, but I did use an an for EPI for a while and um to the ma chat like on the side, Dorsa and Mr about sharing that with you guys. Um I used that a bit, an FP comes up quite a bit. I know it's only a quarter of like the kind of, but there will be like quite actions on this. So immunology, there's lots of math. They go through like different types of studies. I mean, you guys have already been to some of the lectures and they go through like incidence rate, mortality rate things because you have a set of not put all the equations on your note, doing the calculations because all the easy to the trap of thinking. Oh, I have to, I have the equations. All I have to do in the exam is plug the numbers in and fine. But if you're not used to plugging the numbers in, um, so I'd just recommend doing a few, but this is all more like advice for near the exam right now. The best thing you can do is just show up to everything. Even if you haven't, then the goal just go to the sessions, try not make loads of sense, but just by being there, you kind of imbibe stuff. Um And yeah, so I think uh thought about the question if she wants to say yeah. So um just to build on that if you go on to the Note bank, there is a specific section um of the questions for a and second year that is just epidemiology. It's like a big stack of questions. And I would really recommend working through those as early on as possible just to give yourself time to get used to the type of questions that you're gonna be getting. And in terms of the notes, which we'll talk about more later, I think something that I found really helpful was having the not only having the equations but like for the questions that I found really difficult having like a worked example because like Tanya said, if you just have the formula and you don't know how to plug the numbers in or how to actually use it. There's kind of no point of having it in your notes. So just make sure you either have put down the practice questions or even have an example on your notes to help you throughout the exam, take my wife a cup of it. So um yeah, OK. Us e and then moving on to coaching communication um of everything that you were doing after Christmas or I think a bit before actually. So for this blog, the notes are honestly the most important thing doesn't understand this just that they tell you just in. So the exams for our, the phrases that the goal with the phrases they use in the exams, like if it said a specific wording in your goal to have that exact sliding is one of the answers and then that would like how you guessed, not guessed, well, how the most of the response. So these really show up in the, well, it might seem like kind of a weird um block or a weird, but they really come up and these are easy marks to get things like you require a love, understand kind of time. Take out your head around. The, these are more just about like a in the notes and reading notes. So you're familiar about words, you don't have to start memorizing things. It's not like BRS, it's very much um where you need to understand also, you need to have things in your notes, the notes are just need the most important thing in this. So the next section of EPI so the third section is called across the life course. Again, this is a vague similar to both of these sections. They're not again about ending like epi not difficult um concept. They're more just these are the facts wouldn't take it in health. Of course, of course, has stuff about livestock and so that's stuff like tell people to sleep well each time or eat healthily, they wishy washy. So the main advice to like the last one and health course is to put them in in the notes, put as much stuff bake in from the goals from like the in sections, whatever you can try fit it in your notes, notes. And there's lots of kind of things about alcohol that make, oh this person drinks this much that categorizes them as this. There's lots of like diagrams and things. And I think an important thing to know is when there's diagrams in your goals, like pictures or pictures and the slides that you have in person, they, they like to use that in the summative exam. So you might think because it's not written down as information, it won't come up, but don't forget to look at the pictures in the diagram because they do come up sometimes and they can catch you out if you don't have them in your notes. OK? So the last um section of LM A is called global health and governance. This is probably like the next hardest thing after EPI but again, it's not still not very hard. It's again, lots of facts, it goes into kind of politics and global health. So things like sustainability, if any of you guys did geography G CSE, it's really similar to that. Um And again, it's mainly about using the goals to make the notes and this is probably where you get the most marks because these two are a bit vague, you can still like be stuck between two options. So like if it's likely tired and then one option might be prescribe them, like to sleep more, prescribe them to eat more healthy. Like it's a bit vague. The the answer isn't very clear, but for global health and governance, the answers will be clear. They will be like this was in the notes, this was in the goal, this is answer, this is a question. OK? It will tell you like these are the top five waterborne diseases that kill people or something. And then the question will be like, oh, what's an example of a waterborne disease that killed? Good bye and will literally list and you just have to find it. These are like really easy marks to pick up, go to the sessions if you can and look over it quickly. See, I don't think it came up at all in our, in our exam. Um and we can still sate if it, if it popped up in, in our year as well, but this doesn't really come up. So just look over it quickly because you never know when faculty will suddenly decide it's important. But honestly, um if it will be like one or two marks out of 100 so it's about this, ok, this is my experience with Mark and like what I did so to go in as much as you can. Um So I know faculty is always like behind people about like attendance, always telling us off. But um the truth is that just going in, it just helps because you're just imvi stuff passively, even if you're not listening, even if you haven't done the goal or you're playing tick tack toe on the side with your friend, like subconsciously, things are going, you're hearing words, you're looking at slides and screens and going in can be social to you. So even though it might be boring and I know it's kind of a headache. Um try as much as you can to go in just because it will help you. The girls honestly have everything you need. This is a course where they've literally given you all the information on insanity. There's nothing else that they're that they're teaching you extra apart from the in person sessions and even the in person sessions, everything they want you to know is on the slide deck which they post on Innie. So there's not gonna be other stuff, you know, like in BRS or like POM or whatever, where the lecturers say something else. It's not on the slide. It's not like that. Everything you need to know is on the documents that they give you. It's literally the whole course in like on the internet again, please don't stress if you guys haven't done the goals or I didn't do the goals before I turned up to most sessions. When I was doing epidemiology, I think I did about two goals in the whole of first time, but I still just went to everything. So even though I was confused and sitting there, like I didn't know what's going on, I just listened to what they were saying. So go and even if you haven't done a goal, don't worry about it. And I think the main thing about a is the notes, the notes are the most important factor in passing. Yes, going in is good. Yes, doing the goals is, is like essential. But the thing that's gonna make you pass is those 10 pages that you take in with you at the end of the year. So the the other tips I would like to say is that it's more difficult than a faculty mock. So I already told you that they give you an epi mock at the end of first time, but they also give you an overall mock um sometime around March or something. And this mock is deceptively easy. Like this mock is, it's just way easier than your actual paper. So, just don't be caught out by it. So you'll do the faculty mock and you might feel like, oh, yeah, this is fine. I know what's going on, but don't fall into the trap. It's more similar. Your exam will be more similar in difficulty to the med ed mocks. And as a general rule, med ed mocks are normally way harder than the faculty exams. Like that's true for BRS. True for PM. But in terms of LM A med ed, pretty much get it bang on the spot because because this is an open exam, they wanna test more of your like conceptual and your skills rather than your ability to remember things, why it's more difficult. So look at the med marks the level of difficulty and then finally, the tip I had is possible to cram A as it is possible with everything else but try to leave enough time to cram. So don't be like OK, I have one day before I'm gonna cram now like a week or two. Yeah, you can cram it in a week or two, leave enough time basically to cram. I also basically crammed our so you can still do well um even if you have it consistently throughout the year. So now onto the most important thing uh which is the notes. So the n what I said, will help you pass and what I said will help you get all the marks you need. So I made my notes about fourth exam. So I remember our exam was on a date and I saw started making my notes on. So like I said, last minute is OK, but just beware actually work and you have BRS and anatomy to think about as well. So it'll be a lot. So try your best to make your notes early on. But it's not the end of the world if you don't like, I didn't. But um if you're more organized or you're not a crowing kind of person, definitely try to use them earlier on the way to do it is to amalgamate older years notes with the goals. So you already have, for example, the LM A society med lots of different older years will post their notes on the Note bank. You'll have kind of student created notes and they're a great starting point. So definitely start looking at them around like after maybe February March, start looking at the notes that older years are made. And then the best thing to do is to add as much information as you can to them. So this is quite a delicate balance. I think people have different opinions about it. So there's like a kind of saying that if you put too much in your notes in the exam, you'll get lost and you won't find anything that you need to. But then on the other hand, you could say that if you don't put enough information in your notes, you're not gonna have the information, you need to answer the questions. So it's a very kind of personal balance that you have to decide for yourself. Um For me in my like, what I felt was the best for me was to put information as I possibly could on those 10 pages. So I definitely overcrowded them. I crammed every word that I could into my notes, but I know some people for them, that's not the best strategy. So my advice to all of you is to add as much information as you can. So how much add as much as you feel comfortable that you will still be able to navigate around if you've added too much and you suddenly feel like you're getting lost within your notes when you're trying to practice questions, obviously take out things. But as much as you can deal with, that's as much information you should add, you should be aiming to add all of it. But obviously, if you can't then don't. So yeah, some people agree not to overcrowd them, but honestly, um yeah, just try to put as much as you can. Yes, I would say it's better to have more detailed notes and spend longer kind of going through them than to have less kind of difficult notes and them being easier to read but again, do what's best for you when you get to that time, you'll understand. Um I think do had a point about being strategic with the structure of your notes if you just want to talk about it. Yeah. So in terms of the um the issue with overriding your notes, I'll not be able to find the information. I think one thing that really helped me was just knowing where to put each section. So um you could just go through it like systematically from like epidemiology all the way to the end. But I think that wouldn't be particularly useful. So what I would recommend is if there's any topics that you know, are like quite high yield or if there's anything that you particularly struggle with, I would recommend putting it on the front if not the first few pages of your notes. And the reason for that is you don't want to waste time scrolling through 20 pages of like flicking through 20 pages of notes in the exam because it wastes lots of time. So having that on the front is really helpful. And if you can make your notes before you do, even if it's a one mo paper, I think it's quite helpful because it makes you realize what questions are going to come up. And it will also help you realize that the structure of your notes is helpful for you or not and it gives you time to edit them before the exam. So thanks do so. Yeah, that's so useful. Um For my notes, what kind of structure I use? I kind of went the traditional way. I did like EPI then like and off course I went in the same order but I remember like highlighting certain things because just because you make your on the internet, it doesn't mean like when you print them out, you can write extra stuff around them or like coloring things or whatever. So like, don't forget that you can still like write on them. So I highlighted lots of stuff that I thought would come up more or that I would normally get or there would be things that like, I would always forget what page it was on. So I would highlight it in like bright yellow. So I'd be like, oh that's the thing. I always forget what it is about. Cos like your eyes are drawn to the colors. Um OK. So the other point I wanted to say is the exam is hard. Don't go in there expecting like something really easy because um you'll just be disappointed. Um Yeah, don't, don't trust the faculty mock the exam is difficult and they want really specific details. So that's why I was saying the more you have in the notes, the more you're likely to answer the question. Um Yeah, again, it's a balance and the more informa information you'll manage is basically the better you'll do. So the more information you can add and the more, the more information that you can get your own head around and into where it is, that's like, that's the best you're gonna do. So, another tip for making a note is doing the goals again and again, with LM A, like doing the goals again and again, is basically the best way to make your notes. So if you've gone through all the goals once, whether it be in time, time after the lectures, whenever you do it, go through them once. But when you get into your six week Easter holiday, I'd recommend at least at the very least doing all the goals over again. So even though I made my notes the last four days for it before the exam, like the Tuesday, I think I did all the goals again on Monday and Tuesday and then I did them all again on Wednesday and then on Thursday, I skimmed through all again. So obviously, that's a very like cramped up way to do it like in a very intense period of time. But you have about like five or six weeks off. So definitely go through all the goals again because by doing them again, you'll look at your notes and you'll think, oh, this is something that I think I should add to my notes or like you'll remember things that might not be in your notes. So it's definitely worth doing the goals again and again. Yeah. So this is my general advice. So go in for the tutorials, try and go in as much as you can leave enough time for epidemiology, even if you are leave for the Easter holiday. Remember that this is gonna make up a substantial part of your revision. And I would recommend trying to understand it for the Easter like even though it's really late, um I still like kind of went through epi without any like person's notes, like I used the ANK and during time time I tried to understand it and even at the getting of Easter, I went through the EPI goals um but not the rest of it just epi so EPI is really important and try to do the practice questions. The goals are gospel. Honestly, their word is the law now for you guys for the next year or the next six months, everything that is in the goal is in the exam. OK. So the goals are super important. I'm not saying that as in like do the goal go to this? Like that's important. No, the goals are important for you to do whenever you feel whenever you can, but you have to do the goals to pass the exam as long as you do the goals and you actually do, don't worry about everything else because it will literally all fall into place doing goals before the in person session does help for things like epi but for stuff like coaching communication, help across the life. Course, it honestly doesn't really make a difference. So use your older not years notes as a starting ground, but definitely add from your own goals. Because for example, for our year, I was using um the guy in the year above's notes to start making my own notes and they started adding things and there was a whole section that they had added into our goals that were just nowhere in the notes. So definitely at your goals, I think the best thing to do is like the week before, like a few days before is to have your set of notes ready and then go through the goals that you won last time. And as you're going through your goals, flick through your notes, like have your notes in front of you have the goal on the screen and then compare it and see what you've decided to not put in, see what you have put in and from there, like edit that final edit or that final go through the goals is really important. I watched the tutorial for understanding they're really useful. I watched all from my, they help you with the practice questions, they break it down way better than the faculty goals do. Um And practice as many questions can both easy and hard, even the questions might be easier. They're still good questions. Some questions will be easier than others. And then finally time management I think this is something that caught a lot of people out in our year because we weren't expecting it. The exam is actually quite time pressured. So not only is it hard, it's also time pressure. So lots of people in my year actually finish the exam. So don't be shocked of time because that is a normal thing for the LM A exam. But just have in your head that you know that this exam is gonna be tight. If you see a question that you think is gonna require more flicking through pages or more like kind of brain power from you skip over it if you know it's gonna take longer than a minute or two. Because honestly, at the end of the day, whether the question is ridiculously easy or ridiculously challenging, they're all worth one mark. Everything is worth one mark while you get the mark from the really hard question and the really easy question. So I'd say anything that's real or you're not sure you're deliberating, just move on, go to the next question, pick up the easy marks. And if you have time at the end, um come back but don't leave anything blank because it could also happen that you see this question is hard. You're like, oh, I'll come back to it. But at the end, you don't have time, just put an answer down. So that if your exam automatically submits for you, you haven't left anything blank So that's also an important thing to note. So some parts of LM A can be interesting, especially if you're interested in global health or some parts you just might be interested and also it could be kind of fun. But um in general, yeah, it's mainly advice. Do the goals make your notes and chill, like don't stress about it too much. It is hard. Um And it's weird but funnily enough, the more you do the goals, the more it starts making sense. Like the first time you go through the goals, it all sounds like nonsense. The second time more stuff starts making sense and then the third time you kind of suddenly understand what's going on. Wash your tutorials, do go try to go in um and ask for help from your, from old. Uh I've got my pay at this talk. Um And, and I think they put their contact details, ask your friends in third year, ask people in fourth year, ask people who've done it before. If you're not sure about something, you don't understand the concept. Just ask because I'm sure everyone will be more than happy to help you guys. Um And yeah, I try to enjoy it as much as you know. I know it's, it, it can be quite boring. I didn't on that as well. But um yeah, you'll get through it. Just do the goals and you'll be ok. Um Good luck everyone. Thank you so much. For listening to my talk. Uh really long. Uh Now's a chance to questions you have at all about a, about what me and Dorsa did or about um second year or anything in general, basically. So, yeah, if anyone has any questions that they wanna put in the chat or that they wanna just unmute and talk, if you can unmute, I'm not sure of the time. Mhm. Yeah. Thank you so much for the talk. That was very helpful. I hope you guys found it useful as well. Please do ask us questions. Um We did finish quite early. So you've got plenty of time to ask us anything you guys want. Uh I don't know where the feedback form is but like whenever we get it to you, please fill it in guys, it really helps us like make the talks better and stuff. But yeah, we'll be, we'll wait around for the next like uh three or four minutes or so just in case people have questions or like until everyone leaves the call. So yeah, feel free to unmute or type in the chat. We'll, we'll wait around. No. So I believe the notes can either be um typed up on the computer or they can be handwritten or a combination of both. Um At least, yeah, that's what it was like for my ear and I'm pretty sure it's gonna stay the same. Yeah, I think the only thing you can't do is like stick sticky notes on top of it. Yeah. So you can, I think you can stick sticky notes on top. Actually, I'm not too sure. But I think what they said to us is you can't stick anything to it. That's going to extend the page. So, like sticky note. But if you want to put those one of those t called to help divide your sections, you can, it's just, you can't write anything on them. Um How much memorization did you do? Oh Sorry. Yeah. How much memorization did you do? Do you just focus on? Yeah. Do you answered that? Um So I think for a, it's more understanding because you have the notes. So you don't really need to memorize as much as you would for something like BRS, but I think you still would need to know some of the content. Um But I think as long as you go through the goals, you understand the goals and then you have a good set of notes where you know, where you can find the information. I wouldn't worry too much about memorizing things down detail because the notes will be there in front of you. So I would say allocate more time to things like BRS and anatomy in terms of memorization rather than LM A. Yeah. II definitely agree with that. II didn't memorize any of our up at all. Like not once did I sit down and I was like, OK, I'm gonna learn this definition. But if you do the goals again and again, you just like, naturally you'll remember some things and the more you read over your notes you'll remember where things are. So like you'll just remember, oh, this word was there and then you flick to it really fast. So you don't need to sit and memorize definitions or, or equations or anything like that. OK. Um That was a question. I was wondering if there was um they're not at the moment. Um I'm more than happy to share my notes personally. Um I think on the question back, there already are notes from some people in the years above. Um LM A society will be collaborating with med to make like a general set of notes um which will be very detailed and very good. So keep an eye out for those as well. But yeah, I'm happy to share my arm up notes. But I think the important thing to remember is that your notes have to be specific to you because everyone has a different way of learning and everyone's gonna find different topics difficult. So while you definitely use previous notes to help guide the process of making yours, I would say make sure that you are adding information as you go while you're doing the goals and things as well. Yeah, I definitely agree with that. Um I'm gonna try and make my notes public as well. Uh So hopefully you guys can be able to see that. Did you also get a few formative example questions at the end of each tutorial? If so, how reflective of the actual exam questions would you say they are? Yeah. So I did actually, I think they're pretty reflective, like they will basically be the same level as what you're gonna get in the exam. Um, so, yeah, that's the end of the slides as well. Um, yeah, they're basically, they're quite similar. Some are harder, some are easier, obviously. Yeah. Um Yeah, I don't think they repeated any. They're not as lazy as like BRS or anything. They actually make new questions for epidemiology. How complex would you say the mathematics questions can get? Um I think they are, they are as hard about as hard as they will be on the goals. So I think the goals are a really good indicator of what the content is gonna be like because that is essentially what they're assessing you on. So they won't ask you anything harder than what's in the goals. Um I don't think, and like I said, if you work through the practice questions and the marks and you understand how to use the formulas and how to apply them, I think you will be absolutely fine. I wouldn't worry about it being really, really complicated because it tends not to be. I agree with that. Most of the academiology maths questions are actually just plugging in the numbers to the equations, like they won't really get harder. What's hard about the epi questions sometimes is they give you lots of stats to kind of decide that like, they'll give you these very, like big graphs or like giant graphs and they'll have very long, like five statement options. They'll be like which one is true or like which one is not correct. And those are really time consuming. The best way to, to think about is, you know, in CS R. So you get questions about stats, like sometimes you get like things about like the people, you get like big graphs and dives and CSI S to pick it. The stats questions are really um to those. How would we be able to get them? I think they're talking about the notes. Like, would we be able to send them our notes by email? Do you know like how they'll be able to be sent out? Um I'm not too sure at the moment, I'll speak to our academic officer Mr at the end. Um And we'll let you guys know as soon as possible, but we'll make sure they're accessible to you. Yeah, don't worry. By the time we definitely make sure you guys have enough time to look at them. Somebody's asking if they could send the link for the feedback from here. I mean, I guess he left the call for a bit so I'm not sure he did. I think we'll probably circulate that round with the notes as well if that's ok. No worries. Thank you guys for asking questions and feel free to keep on asking. We have we we were really early. Yeah, please do ask. Are there still people in the pool? Oh yeah, I think there's still some people in the pool. Ok. Come. Yeah. Right. Was mark for your year like quite hard like the exam when you guys did it, I think it was better than your year because I thought it was a bit easier. But our was the reason for that is actually our year was lots and lots of P VB. It was a ridiculous amount of PPB. Um, that, yeah. And I think that's what kind of made it like a little bit, I guess it was easier and harder in the same way because it was easier in, we didn have to worry about the act content, but then they're so wishy washy. It's like you don't know that it's just like getting it and. Right. Yeah. It's just kind of like intuitive, like what you would, what you would do in the scenario. Um, so that was essentially our, our exam mainly. Yeah, I wonder what they'll do this year. I know the year above for me is like, really, really easy so these guys might get quite hard. Yeah. I know. I was so glad I don't have to do al anymore or? Yeah, that's very true. Actually. That is quite a relief. So I'm just gonna give you guys a couple more minutes to ask any final questions you may have. Please do put them in the chart. Um There's still like 10 people working. Yeah. Ok. I think if you guys don't have any more questions, then we'll wrap up there. Thank you so much for joining. Um We will try to get the notes and feedback form out to you as soon as possible. If you have any other questions, please feel free to reach out to any of us um to ask, we're always here to help and best of luck. Thank you guys so much for joining. Bye everyone. Bye bye. So do we end the call or do we just like the good, good breath? Ok. Hello.