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Here. Um And there were some assignments that I'd liked and some assignments I absolutely hated, I was just saying that I hated the literature review, but really like actually doing uh science in context one and it's gonna be a very um kind of informal way me talking through, you know, how I did it and how I see the assignment itself. I'll talk to you guys through the mark schemes, which was the most useful thing for me. And I'll actually share my own poster and the feedback I got as well this time. Um So we can go through them. Let's see. I hope it's fine and it's sharing there shouldn't be any problems, but let me know if you can't see it. Um So basically, and my uh email is right here on the top. So the way I see this assignment is it might be different from pathway to pathway. But for us, it was we had uh clinical days where we sat in, in a clinic, mine was in hypertension clinic. And you just get to, we wrote down notes about a few patients and you obviously get to see basically the interventions of the investigations that are done and the management plans that are discussed and things in the history as well. Actually, I would say so those are the three main things that you do in all clinical, um, encounters almost. But in this context, it's important because then you can get literally anything out of those. I have people who talked about something in the history, like family history and I have family history increases the risk of of, I don't know, ovarian cancer, things like that. I, on the other hand, because mine was pharmacology and I wanted to talk a bit more about management. I actually didn't go with a drug. I went with a Beetroot supplement that was suggested to everybody, but you can go with things like I don't know if they suggest uh anything that comes out of either the consultants or the patient's mouth, you're allowed to make a poster on it. So I did the Beetroot people did salt, low salt diet kind of thing. A few people did drugs obviously. But anything you can imagine as long as you can write a story on it, so you choose that aspect, which I think is one of the hardest things to do because you need to choose it wisely and you need to, that kind of depends on how well how much evidence there is about that subject. Um Because the next step is gonna be analyzing the literature and evidence of the subject So you're gonna put together um the papers that you find on pop or whatever you're using. Um And you're gonna analyze them critically. We're gonna go in depth with like things that you can do that will tick tick boxes and would give you the highest mark you can get. Um But it's just a bit is that essentially, and then you move to designing your scientific poster. Now, the goal is goal of this thing is for you to be able to present a poster at a conference. So in general, in conferences, what they do is they have an abstract intro um kind of a bit of a background methods, but obviously, this wouldn't apply to you and then you dissect the evidence and then you have a conclusion of the future perspectives. Again, we'll go through these in my own poster, but you design your scientific poster and then you present your poster, which is 40% of the mark, including this includes AQ and A at the end of the presentation. And as far as I know, this general distribution of marks is not that different between pathways, at least it shouldn't be. So, like I said, this is gonna be a very informal kind of very actually quick talk. So I want to go through with you the criteria and what your examiners actually have in front of them. And they, they literally have it right in front and they just tick boxes and highlight like what I did to kind of see which cri like which um kind of row you fit in. And I just put the first here to be honest because I just thought if you're coming here at 7 p.m. on a Thursday, you're kind of aiming for a first, sorry that I'm assuming that. But yeah. Um So let's look at the things. So the green bits, let me just see. Yeah, so the yellow bits are the bits that you include and should include to get that particular row in my way obviously. And green things are the things that you can do in addition to kind of put you in that category again. So if you look, if we look at here the bottom bit first, so the primary research articles is the thing that I highlighted because you will find a lot of systematic reviews, et cetera. But what they mainly want to see in this poster is primary research. Um And the reason for that is because you're you're trying to, you are the one kind of putting the evidence together and systematic review kind of does that for you having said that I'm not saying do not use systematic reviews because I have and they really like this. But I kind of predominantly made use of the primary research I use, I think three primary and one systematic review which kind of gave me that balance view you you need to put in the validity and limitations of every single evidence that you discuss, whatever it is that you're putting on your poster, make sure you put the validity and limitations because and make these clear to the examiner because they will eventually just have a check box while they'll tick through. If it's clear in front of them, it'll be just easier for you to get the mark and then you need to have conclusions and future perspectives. Um And if you, you need to show your understanding of the future clinical care. So and if we look at the above, let's finish that. And then we can talk through. If we look at the above, there's a clinical case summary and evidence based discussion. So if we put all of these yellow things together, we kind of get an idea of what our poster should look like if we're aiming for seven to do and above. So it should have a clinical case summary, which is essentially what whatever notes you've taken in that consultation. Um Make sure that is my key tip here. Make sure you emphasize on whatever you're gonna talk about in your poster. So I personally talked about the B2 supplement. Um It really didn't matter which patient I put in there, but I put this X patient and I strongly emphasized, I said, oh, the patient was sick of taking medications and was really enthusiastic about the lifestyle interventions. That wasn't necessarily that much that true. Like 100% honesty. It wasn't that true, but I had to create a scene of why I was so interested in the Beetroot supplementation rather than, I don't know, Ramipril that was given to him. Um And the pure reason was because I wanted to do it on Beetroot. Um Not because the patient was really enthusiastic about that. Um But I think you kinda get the gist, you need to set your back and you need to open the doors for yourself there. And then secondly, I would actually go for the primary research articles here. So I would put the research, any background that you need to give. Um and then put the research articles, put their validity and their limitations. So instead of just discussing, oh they found this in this randomized controlled trial. So hence, it should be good, you need to say, but it's limited in this way, small sample size validity, blah blah blah and an extra point here. Um It would be really useful. I think it would show really like it will show your professionality if you go back to your own patient and apply the validity there. So if this study was only done in like Caucasian people and your um your patient is, I don't know, non Caucasian, I mean, um you can actually say invalidity, it's not generalis because only Caucasian people were using included in the study. Hence, especially in, I don't know, Mr Smith's uh case, it wouldn't be applicable to him for instance, and you don't have to include this in your poster. But saying it just makes you complete those circles, which I'm sure you know from the P VB and CS le lessons, it's always useful to like make a full circle and then you should include your evidence based discussion there. Um So you're discussing different sides, it's sometimes very useful actually to include one study that shows positive result and the other study that shows a negative result, they would absolutely love that like they would definitely love if you put a something that shows very, very positive, something that shows very, very negative. And there's a controversy in the literature, that's why researchers are in the field for the controversies. Um And they would love if you could put those things and just try to dig in your own way, why each of them might be wrong and which one is less wrong if that makes sense. And then based on that you draw your conclusions and you put your future perspectives. I think I also had a clinical implication just to cover this bit as well and other things that you do in addition to these content, um You do, they want you to show the mastery of the subject which is a bit hard to do um critique of the material, which you can clearly show them if you put like negatives and positives. And it's clear right there, visually attractive. I think if you've been to my IC too, you've heard me say, oh, it's, it's very, very, very useful. If you can make it appealing, it applies here as well. It's very, very useful. They will just look at the poster and if it looks appealing, oh, that will give you in their mind a bit of a bias which is good in this case. Um And again, the same thing goes in the bottom the box as well. So a balanced appropriate choice of material. Again, primary research, if you choose that and I think under this appropriate choice, we need to add the fact that it needs to answer your question. So in my example, again, I'm going back, but B true supplementation was recommended to hypertension patients. So the question there was in my question was, is it actually useful at reducing? And I only focused at that. So if you realize I only focused at the efficacy of this, because if you try to do everything about that particular aspect, like be supplementation, if I try to do safety as well as efficacy as well as practicality as well as I would need five posters. And they don't, they don't want that at all. They just want you to focus on one aspect of that one little detail and just dig in just a, it gives you more room to talk and do your B discussions and everything as well, which will eventually is what's gonna get you point. You have, you cannot find in the criteria where it says broad understanding or like a very high coverage of the topic now sort of thing. Um And again, visual clarity, appearance, structure, appearance, appearance appearance. Now when it comes to your presentation, I kind of color coded this a bit differently um because there was not much of the content obviously. So let's look at the 872 to 81 1st if you can hold the audience attention. And one of the most important things if you're keep to time without notes. So, and what comes into play here is if everything goes absolutely perfect. Amazing. You're in this criteria like you are the master of the topic, but you are not on time or you're using notes, they cannot give you anything above 72 even if they really, really wanted because the criteria says they need to speak to time without notes. Um And the other things are just like sprinkles on top. So it's perceptive answers, appreciation of the material beyond what is included in the poster. I will talk about this in the tips that I'll be giving you, they would be really useful to have. So if you include three research articles in your poster, no three more that they can potentially ask about. And when you're answering questions, say, oh and something at ta also supported what's seen on my poster. So that that automatically gets you this into this um, Rob. And then the one higher that, which is 85 and above. And we'll get to this one, we're discussing my feedback, but I've never seen them give anything above 80 I would say. Um I've not seen them give 80 the highest they've g they've given in our um, particular room because you will be divided in rooms was 68. Nobody got a first, which was weird in the presentation, I got a 65 I think. And you'll see the feedback now. But that's, that's not, that's not, it doesn't have any validity or generalisability, particularly the examiners that were in that room that they were a bit not feeling great, I guess, but that's fine. Um Because it's only your 40% of your mark. So eventually, if your poster is good, you will get the first. Um And if you want that high, high mark, you need to show the like the mastery of the subject. You need to know everything outside of the poster as well within the subject. So essentially this is if you are the actual researcher and you're going to an actual conference, well, she says, obviously you can be, but generally, it's not the case now, poster tips. So I would say just have a logical structure, the structure that we talked through if I could uh still grab your attention there. Um Yeah, if I could grab your attention, the structure that we went through was really good. I think um just keep it simple and logic, logical. There's no need for extra sections. It just takes time and space. Uh make sure you demonstrate your clinical relevance demo, demonstrate the clinical relevance of whatever your. Wow. And there are different ways of doing that. You can either talk about your research and then link it back to the clinical case that you've seen or you can just talk about the research and then talk about its clinical relevance outside of the case that you've discussed either way, make it balanced positives and negatives. Um Again, I feel like I'm just repeating myself but yeah, positive negatives if they recall your balance um clearly demonstrate that you have these following because of this. So you have a clinical case, you have the evidence, you have the validity and limitations and you have the conclusion and future perspectives because it's just a checkbox and why not? And appearance, appearance, appearance I used, gosh, what did I use? I think I ended up using powerpoint because we had to submit in a powerpoint. But I took all of my icons from can which you can easily do. So you just create an empty um power empty slide on can and you just type in the icons that you want and just copy it and paste it there. And I think I got the template from Canada as well and the presentation tips um make sure, you know, all the studies that you included, make sure, you know, a few additional studies, at least within the field that either support or are against your studies because then you can safely answer and just put the minimums in your Q and A and it just sounds amazing. And there's this thing, this is kind of a tip for fifth year as well. But there's this viva technique that if you kind of beat around the bushes a bit, but get to the answer, the clock will keep ticking and you will not be necessarily saying anything wrong, just don't make it extremely long. So the examiner kind of sees through you and says, OK, you're basically bullshitting right now. Um Don't get to that extent but essentially find the right balance where you say well, in that regard, I would say something or supported. Therefore, use a lot of big words and just extended a bit prolong it a bit. Just so if you know a question, you get to answer that and they don't get to ask you another one and keep the time without notes on these things. Um This is just repetition but know what's more, more than more than what's on the poster and the clinical relevance and the practicality because they did ask me about so again, be supplementation, it was one of the examiners asked. OK, but why didn't, why were they not giving beetroot instead of? And instead they were giving beetroot juice to everybody to do in these ex, um, in these studies. And I kind of beat around the bush again because I didn't know. But it was just practicality because it's one of the factors that you keep under control during your research because they chew and et cetera. Um, so that's why she was asking, she was testing if I knew the practicality of things and all the research and how the research is actually conducted. So make sure you know the methods as well, I didn't put here. But if you don't mention anything about the methods, they will ask, right? It's time for me to kind of talk you for it about my poster. So this was my poster. It looks now that I look back, there's a lot of text on it. I didn't get commented on how much text it had. Um But I do remember making a lot of font adjustments, tiny things that fit in all of this. So I'll talk you through. So this is a general appearance like I said, I used can to get these icons from um and this as well the patient perspective thing. Um And I just added the patient perspective just to, again, just to make it a bit visually appealing and also to kind of link it why I'm talking about the Beetroot. And I don't know if this is the case, but in our year, there was this thing going around of, you know, find the catchy, find the really the title, hence the title. I just, I'm not trying to be a geek genuinely. There were things that um were thrown around that were insane. But yeah, um it, it is always useful to have a catchy title. It's just makes it appealing. If you're in a conference, you will turn your head and look at something else. It says red alert right now. Let's talk through some of the bits. So case study abstract, I already talked about case study. I'm not gonna talk more. And then I go in, went into mechanism. And the reason I did this was because I wanted to show them before they asked me about what I found in the literature about why this is even important or why this could be actually effi efficacious oh gosh effective essentially. Um And because they would have asked like what I, what I think, why, why, why I think and I just didn't want them to um get it about. So I put that and then discussion part clearly showed that it was discussion. And I put, oh at the end of the day, I put two primary and one metanalysis. Some people just did two studies. Absolutely fine. Um And I did get commented on talk through right feedback in a bit. And then I put my conclusion based on the, the things that I included in my discussion and the future research and the clinical implications. So I kinda wanted to cover all bases. So both future research and future clinical implications just to get that tick box. And I think it did work. Um And I managed to find some ongoing trials which was really lucky to be honest and the references were was just tiny here. So you know, um right, so my poster, the food that I got was this, I got 76 which is not bad. Um So abstract, they like visually, they like gains the attention of the reader, good images, abstract whatever um good supporting study. So they like the study as well. But um because this was in between li review and we were submitting, I kind of like submit it last minute. As you can see things are a bit, mistakes are a bit stupid. So I had some grammatical and sense check like some sensical problems. Um I haven't apparently said it's, well, there's a reduction which it is make sure it indicates minus seven. It says, where did I do that? Oh Yeah, acid changes or something like that. Whereas it was or here, I didn't see a reduction II thought was a thing. Um And the doses in the regi regimen now this I wanted to include but I didn't have enough space. So as you can see the negatives, I got out of this poster were just things that I could literally sit down if I had half a day more and would have realized them. So I'm sure you guys will be absolutely fine with poster. Get out to the show now, presentation, like I said, I think we were just a bit unlucky. Um I didn't expect 65 but I just wanted to include the feedback just in case. So the critical analysis they liked clearly stuck to time. Um Yeah, rehearsed. Please rehearse like there's no point of not rehearsing because you will, you want to uh stick the time and you want to speak with that note. So please do, I wrote a script actually and I made sure that I was around nine minutes every time I was practicing. Um And I use additional slides, which they really liked because what I did essentially was I just cut it like I did now. So this was literally my additional slide. So I did have this, you have to talk through this and then I zoomed in because it was really hard to see the graphs and everything. Why it wasn't zoomed in. Um Right, ready for the improvement. Actually abuse people prefer terminology, some people with obesity instead of obese people uh did not demonstrate sufficient no, under the wider concepts. Um And this was just them trying to pull it from beetroot into other things. So I would recommend you guys knowing a bit more about the essentially what you're doing, be very, very, very narrow in terms of your poster and what you're doing, but have a wider understanding of what's actually what else is actually going on. Like, what else can we do just for your Q and A? Um Again, some further critique would have been good. Further research to be carried out, could have been expanded further. Even though I was the only person who included future research, I got this. And also again, take care of the terminology used. Um this first point um genuinely like to be honest with you, this is not what they would do normally. Like if you, if you get a feedback like this, it wouldn't be I'm I am saying it wouldn't be 65 but it didn't matter at the end of the day because again, the summary of this was like 73 I think because poster matters more. So I would say just put a lot of time into a poster, make it visually appealing, do all the things that we discussed in separate sections and then your presentation, write a script for it, make sure you're around nine minutes. Um And then for Q and A s just have a few backup um uh towels to throw in the sentence and I'm sure you'll be fine. But I think that is it for me now, it was very short and quick. Um But I'm happy to answer all the questions you have because I think it should be a bit more attractive. Oh, perfect. Um thank you so much for that. Um I definitely found that useful. Oh, I see. We have a, we have a question on the chat already. What Foncier, what Fizer did you use? Um Let me check, let me check. Um There is, that's a very good question because that was the thing that was going on. Um I can actually show you exactly my post like exactly what I submitted. Sure. So what I did this was my additional slide by the way that I was talking about um it was nothing. Um So what I did was I think the regular text was 31 and then the subtitles were again 31. These were a bit larger. So it was like around 50 at the end of the day. I think the thing that matters is when you zoom out, does it look like literal like um script or is it So II have I have a question on you about that? So is there like if you can zoom in? Mm I is there is and like you, first of all, is there a limit to the amount of like exercise you can have? But if you can zoom in, is there, could you not just like put as much as you want on there? Well, technically, yes, but the problem with that is you need to, you usually to make it visually appealing and if you put it into a low, very, very low font and then you look at a poster, it just looks like it doesn't even like a proper text. Hm. And then they would, they won like they use any from that content wise, but they will use marks for the visual appearance of it. Yeah. Ok. OK. That's, that's fair enough. Um So they, they will drop you to below 70 there will be no point of you. Yeah. Doing whatever. Ok. That makes sense. Yes. Cool. Any other questions? Anybody? Yeah, we'll give it a minute just in case anyone's uh Oh yeah, let me pull it here. Can they see the chart? Yeah, they can, they can everyone can see the chart. Yeah. OK. I'll just put my e-mail there as well. Oh, perfect. I was just going to ask that. She brilliant. Yeah, we'll give it another minute or so just in case. Yeah, but it's a chill one. So like don't worry that much about it. It's not make one. OK. There's a question here. Oh, you can see the child as well. Of course. Yeah, that's one. How did you? I think this book. Hm. I do recommend using the impaired one because obviously they can't say, oh, it wasn't whatever because you literally took it from their website. So it's kind of to cover yourself. Yeah, but I didn't find them that visually appealing. This is either an imperial one that I changed the colors of or it can the one that I again, change the colors of. So I would say as long as you can make it visually appealing and kind of it stand out because if everybody uses the imperial one, they can't really, it wouldn't stand out. So you didn't go too far from that. I think you don't have to use the, er, what did you find that on in C II didn't even know there was a template. Oh my God, they, they do really like there are like four different templates but I also found it hard to work on them. I couldn't fit in the text that I put into them. Oh yeah, that was, that was the problem cause they have like a massive title. OK. All right. How many references did I end up using? OK. So the references, I can tell you what I had eight references, which is which I remember at the time it was a lot because you can actually just get away with having those three or two things that I were discussing. But I just want to again and make sure just in case and gave references to even like mechanism and stuff like that. So that's the reference question. And how many primary studies did you remember details of? Now you need to remember the details, all the details of the studies that you included. So that could be even the sample size if they fit me. Um They will ask the doses of the things like that's actually not being mean, they will ask what doses they've used, how many groups they've had. So you will need to know these things about the studies that you included, you can have print outs of them next to you. But then if you check the nodes that kind of deducts points from it, so it's kind of up to you how you wanna do, make sure you know everything of those. In addition to those I would say I had, I knew 3 to 443 to 5 more papers. And that was purely because I went through the elimination process. I read through all of these papers and then decided which ones I was gonna include. So naturally I already knew the ones I eliminated anyway, but they were used for in my Q and A. No worries did I? Yeah. OK. For sure. Um The will say yes, faculty will say yes to that, do conduct your literature search, whatever I didn't, I literally typed in into PMED. Not even sometimes pop med because you need to know if something is feasible. First of all, I typed into the PMED and they have an algorithm where they show the most popular ones and the higher citation ones, which are usually the more robust research and you kind of don't want to talk about something that somebody just cited once um which is probably not even valid. Um So what I end up ended up doing was I typed in beetroot hypertension. It's not really extensive at all into PUBMED and let it do its thing. Um And from there, I kind of got the ones where I could talk about, like I could write a story on it's in BSC. They say you have to do a very in depth critical analysis, but that would involve you going through all of rich literature, which consists of like thousands of papers which you can't do realistically what it is is you being able to tell a story that you believe in based on the few papers that you could read, given the time you have. So just be a bit tactical, do your research but do your research, research. But don't do that thing where imperial was saying, oh, you use a hash for this or like you have that and you put them all, you have to think about the synonyms, the things that you do for your literature review, you don't have to do for this for sure. OK. Oh I maybe that's all the questions. I guess there's enough time for people to, to type up the questions and stuff. Um So I think we'll, unless obviously anyone has anything last minute, we'll probably uh leave it there, I think. Yeah, and then of course, um feel free to to send a uh send an email. Um If you have any further questions. Um Are you gonna say something? Sorry? Yeah. When is your deadline just so I know. Uh so 20 23rd, it's on the first, the one week today. Ok. Just so I know I can't reply any later than that. Yeah. Ok, I will I will reply. Don't worry. Perfect, perfect. Um Yeah, that's great. I think so. Yeah, thank you so much um for the talk and very concise but lots of information definitely so very useful for me and I'm sure for everyone else. Um But yeah, I also I'll be uploading like slides and recording to medal as well. So if you like go on to me, if you wanna see it again and anything like that, then um it'll be up there, I'll, I'll probably do that today um If wants to go over it. But yeah, otherwise I think that's everything. Um.