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Ok, so we're being recorded now. Um Hi, everyone. Uh We're just gonna start in a few minutes. We're just waiting for more people to trickle in, but thank you so much for coming and the talk will start shortly. Ok, brilliant. I think we've got enough people for now and people are beginning to come and join the talks. That's great. Um Hello everyone. Thank you so much for coming. This is the second ICA talk by me and we're gonna be talking about the oral assessment. Don't worry if your ICA S are a different way around to the layout that most of us have your BSE specific Q and A will still be very, very useful to you as it will be someone from your BSE in the year above answering your questions. So now I'd like to introduce our speakers. We've got Avic and Sunny who are going to give you a quick guide to the oral assessment if you'd like to introduce yourselves. Thank you. Hi guys. Um So my name's Avic. I did the Cancer Frontier BSC. Um And yeah, so I'll be talking um about the oral assessment. Hi, I'm sunny. I did the Cardiovascular Sciences. BSE cool. So we, we may as well get started. I just wanna caveat this before. I know you guys have all got different um ICA twos, you know, you might be in the same order as well. Um So we'll just try to give um, well, we're gonna try and give a sort of vague toaster how to do well in in any oral assessment. Really? Um My personal one was a poster last year. So I've got some advice about how to do a poster, um which will probably be useful in the long term. Um But I just, one thing I just want to remind everyone is that, to be honest, this is an ICA that's not really worth that much. I'll be honest with you a s like 3% or something. Um And it's mainly what the reason why they get you to do it is just a practice for your actual um or presentation which is worth like 10%. Um And that's for your final project. So um let's go through. So, yeah, first things burst. We're in fifth year now. Um I just want to remind you like, don't stress over this even though we are doing the talk and you guys are all here. Um It's not that it's not worth that much. So just relax. BSA Year is literally a year to relax, go on holiday, literally enjoy yourself before you have to join fifth year, which is help to be honest. Um, all right. So we're gonna briefly cover the marking criteria and then go through sort of general tips but posters will cover some stuff about in person stuff, virtual stuff. Er, cos I know some people will have to do it, virtually, some people have to do it in person. Some people have to record something. Er, and then so's gonna give you an example of sort of a powerpoint presentation and then we'll hopefully end on AQ and A it shouldn't take that long. I think we should be finished by half past. So, thanks. Um So this is an example of the marking criteria. Uh I just want to point um to all the areas highlighted in read. These are the major points that are being assessed. Uh The points that you see under the section. Very good. These are the same points that will be assessed um for every section above for excellent, outstanding and everything above 85 2. Um The points are the same, it's just the quality is different. So once you can cover these points and build upon them, uh you'll be getting high marks, the major sections here. Um uh You can um look first at communicating science, this is the largest part and most of the marks are going to be based on this. It's, it's an assessment of science. So you make sure you know the field very, very well, especially read around. Uh the topic in all of your specific subject areas. The next is a structure. This will depend heavily on the format. So there's not really much to say right now. But, um, I think the main two are posters and powerpoint presentations, both virtually and in person. And we have examples of these at the end, so we can go through them in a bit more detail. And finally, there are points for style. So it's important that you use no notes, er, don't hesitate and make sure you finish, if you're giving a presentation, make sure to finish within the final minute that you have allotted. Um And so these are the points up to 85. And on the next slide, we're going to show you if you're interested, uh points up to 100. Again, these are the same points from the very good section. Uh It is just done at a higher standard. OK. So I'm just gonna go through some general tips, common for BSC streams and common for different types of presentations. Um So the first one, practice sounds cliche, but really you do need to practice and you can actually generally tell if you don't practice, but I've caveat that with only a couple of times and not too much really, you're only practicing to get in the time. I think that's, that's the main thing and they, they really care about timings and in certain BSE streams are a little bit more lenient, for example, a couple. Well, I can't remember but ours weren't that lenient. Um, uh, cancer frontiers made you sort of, they, they cut you off halfway through. Um, and also I think probably another thing to mention is that probably finishing a little bit before time is quite good. Um, in terms and obviously not leaving it like six f or six or seven minutes. I would, if it's a 10 minute presentation, I would try and finish sort of 8.5 minutes plus. But, you know, they always, at the end of the day they're human beings. They don't like listening to you for a long time. Um, so if it's slightly shorter, it doesn't really matter. Um, but yeah, the practice is one of the main things. Um, and we'll talk about how to do that, um, in a second. Uh, but don't do it too much because you don't want it to come across rehearsed. You want it to come across quite natural and that, you know what you're talking about in a way. Um, and, you know, it's a little bit more fluid. Um, so, yeah, another thing is, have a focus and paint a logical picture. So I'll, I'll talk to you an example of this, um, er, later on, but having a main focus to what you're talking about. I know that sounds self explanatory but you'll be given something that's quite vague. Um, and if you focus it on something that you find quite interesting within that topic. Um Then that's probably the best way of going about it because not only do you come across quite passionate about it but also y you know, you're more natural in the way you speak about um the stuff and also be logical. Um you know, have a logical structure. Classic one is, you know, talking about background methods, um uh results of a discussion, you know, different um courses, say different things but have a logical picture as well. Yeah, so this next one sounds really self explanatory. But remember to reference people for some reason, a a lot of people on my course for the oral assessment just didn't reference. Uh So I just thought I'd put that in there, but I assume you guys know that. So literally reference everything that you do if you're struggling to fit the stuff in. Um say, for example, you've got a poster, you can just put PUBMED ids on um instead of the whole um Vancouver referencing and stuff like that. OK. Yeah. So sound like you're really interested in the area. That's something that they really like enthusiasm you might not be. And to be honest, I wasn't really interested in the topic that I got allocated but just make it up, try and sound like you're interested in the area. Um Yeah. OK. This is probably quite an er important one. So deliver information in small chunks and explain stuff. Scientifically. It is the BSE year. So, yeah, scientifically is probably quite important. Um, and try and pretend that your audience isn't too clued up. Now. I've ca, again, I, I've asked that because most of the time your audience will know a lot about the stuff that you're talking about and in fact, they might grill you about it in the questions afterwards. But explaining stuff in a clear way in small chunks concisely and also effectively um shows to them that you've understood the topic well. Um so, you know, don't make it too basic for them, but also don't make it overly complicated, you know, explain yourself. OK. Oh yeah, be critical. Now, that's one of the marking criteria in the, in the official imperial um um marking criteria that they've given us. Um So be critical. Now, obviously, you've, I don't know if you guys have done the ICA one which is obviously a critical appraisal or letters to the editor or something like that. Um Then you have to be really critical there in a, in a presentation and in any form you don't, you don't really have time to be like too critical, but always, you know, say for example, you're presenting a figure or an experiment or uh you know, something like that, always say any drawbacks or um be critical about it, appraise it as much as you can, whether that's the good stuff which people often forget when they're appraising stuff um or the bad things about it. Yeah, simplicity is key. Now, I've put that in with Post as any presentation. Um Look at this powerpoint, I'm not saying it's good but it's quite simple to be honest. Um And hopefully gets the point across. Um s they like things that are simple. If you're doing a presentation, one picture and a couple of words, that's all you need. Deliver stuff with, in small chunks in, in the way that you can animate stuff. You can have little bits appearing here and there just make it look professional as well. They really hate to see different fonts. I mean, I would just use Ariel. Don't use any other font. Just, you're just being stupid if, if you use other, other fonts and, and they really don't like it as well. It's just something that, yeah, they just say they don't really like, I don't know why, um, don't use too many colors as well as in you can, but if it's appropriate to and yeah, just keep it simple. Ok. Um, I think probably this last bit of general tips. They love a really good figure. Now, this is, I don't know if you can see, I don't know if it's come across one thing that they really hate is really bad figures. So, first of all, this figure on the, um, left hand side here is really blurry. You can't, you can't make out what it is. I know, that's self explanatory. But loads of people try and put in figures like this into the, um their presentation, but it really has an impact on your marks and a lot of the marks is on the actual aesthetic of what, what you're doing as well. Um And that's in real life as well when you go to a conference and post a presentation or anything like that. It, a lot of the things that people judge you on is how you've presented it in terms of the aesthetics. Now, it's blurry here and obviously on the right, I've got a better picture and I've also made sure that the axis are very clear. Now, a figure is something that they really like. So if you, wherever you can try and get figures and graphs in, they really like it, they don't like text. Um They really don't. Um And if you can have like a, a pivotal figure in and pivot around that figure and, you know, keep that as your main focus, that's something that they really like. Um So um yeah, try and pick out say, for example, if you've read something, some, some really important figures and then put them in. Um OK, so sounds boring. This is my poster. I'm gonna talk you through what they liked about it. What I, what they didn't like about it and I appreciate I'm not gonna actually do the actual presentation for you and a lot of the point is about the actual presentation but having a look at it, the, the feedback that I got and I ended, ended up doing quite well in this, um, somehow. Um, but they said it was quite logical. It was very neat, very tidy. They really like figures. Again, that's the only good feedback I really got a lot was, you know, making simple schematics of stuff that cancer metabolism is really complicated and I've literally boiled it down to um a couple of figures. Um And what, that's what they really liked anyway. And then I had a little graph here that I explained as well. The only really downside I had to, this was uh they said that I had too much white space. That is something in a poster. Um I think they don't really like in the scientific field. Um But yeah, um all other things that I got in, in terms of good feedback was the way I explained stuff was very logical. The way I had, you know, laid everything out was very logical. Um And it painted a picture as well and that's what you want to do. You want to paint a picture, you know, you should have a problem or something right at the beginning and then a way of sort of going about it and maybe coming up with a, um uh you know, something to solve that problem. And that's just a very basic um explanation to that. Yeah. Ok. So when you're doing stuff virtually, it sounds really sad. But if you go onto teams, you can actually click this button in the middle at the top. Right? It's called meet now and you can practice and you can, I don't know if it records, I can't remember if it records you, but you can literally practice with timing. Ok. And that's the key thing. I want you to remember just practice with time because I know people who didn't fail, but they did it really bad because they just ran out of time and they didn't, didn't get through the main stuff. Um So if you could meet now on teams, he literally pops up with just a screen and it's you and the screen really and you can share your screen and you can time yourself and you can practice. But again, don't practice too much. Um Yeah, another thing that I want to get across pointers. Um They really like, and, and to be honest, this is common across all BSE streams. They, they are like obsessed with you pointing at stuff and of course it, I mean, it makes stuff very easy to understand. Um So pointers, if you're doing it virtually, you can literally go onto powerpoint and you can use it like a laser pointer. Um But in person, people think, oh I'm gonna point it can, you just have to stand at the lectern and just just speak. No, literally go up to your presentation point at stuff and be quite sort of in, you know, interact with the presentation poster, whatever it is on the board, they really like it. Um So, yeah, so this is an example of the um powerpoint presentation um style for this IC. This was my presentation for um cardiology and our um task was to give a presentation on AAA new proposed drug. Um So here are the slides, we had a limit of five slides. Um You may have similar limits. Um We had 10 minutes to complete the presentation. Uh It's important to note that we didn't um allot of the time equally er stuff like the um introduction and the first couple of slides, they don't need as much time because they're not too relevant to the science. Er you see the, the slides er in the top right hand corner and the bottom left hand corner took maybe three or four minutes each. Er these are the most important ones talking about mechanisms, important point from here. Uh You want to make use of graphics instead of using text, for example, the top left uh more graphics. Um It makes it a lot easier because you want to be talking and you want to use a powerpoint as an aid. If you're demonstrating mechanisms of action, a good idea is to find an existing image on Google and you can use some little drawing tool. For example, I found a website called um MS Paint online and you can see in the bottom left corner, I've just drawn on to that, that the mechanism I wanted to use on to somebody else's existing um image and you can do this to add any proposed structures and mechanisms. I think that's a common theme for some of these presentations. They want you to propose mechanisms. Um These slides were used as an aid. So the majority of the words here were going to be spoken. Er the slides are just to demonstrate and to give a brief overview. So the um listeners can take a look if they missed anything or they can take a look um as, as an aid to what you're saying, it's also still important to reference. If you're giving a speech, if you're doing slides, you can see at the bottom of each slide, there are references, it doesn't have to be very thorough, you can keep it brief. Uh For example, here I use just the author's name, the journal and the year and you can use a shorthand form for the journal and for the uh for the next slide, um you're going to be asked some questions afterwards. I think this is also common to all formats. The questions will focus on the science. So please make sure that you read into the area and also if possible um find out who the examiner is going to be quite often. This will be the person who gave you the task or the person holding the Q and A sessions in your respective PSC S. These people quite often will be experts in this field and you can look into this and they may, you can even anticipate some of the questions that they'll ask you based on their um field of expertise. So for example, for the presentation that I gave the assessor had worked on some of these mechanisms herself. And so her questions were very much based around this. Yeah. So it helps um it also helps if you focus a presentation on something you find interesting if you can show enthusiasm as the, as the final point says, it will come across more naturally and it will come across as though, you know, more perhaps than you actually do in this field. Uh It's also important um to maintain professionalism to address. Well, this is especially important. If you're delivering online, you can't create as much of a presence if you're delivering online. So you want to dress well and this will add to the air of professionalism around your talk. Uh If you don't know an answer, say you're not sure, tell them you'll review it and get back to them, you never will get back to them. But it adds um to the professionalism and that, that's important when they're assessing that. Ok, next, we're going to go on to AQ and a session if you have any questions about any of the slides, we can go back. I figure more questions based on presentations, you can ask me and, er, for Avic as well, questions based on posters. Thank you. So, one thing I just want to add as well, uh, something that something you just said, you know, get your, you know, your course leads. Well, and, and II would like to think that they, everyone's done sort of like a mock presentation in some way. I know cancer always used to have one like every other week, you know what they like. It's, they, they're the ones that are gonna be marking it as well. So, you know, for example, Sonny said in his presentation that they didn't really need to focus on the introduction that much. Whereas for us, you know, part of our post presentation and a lot of the marks they, they really liked was if you talked about the background a lot. Um, because, um, it sort of eases the examiner into it, you know, the examiners quite well. So y you, it's really, you're gonna have to play it by, um, ear a little bit. Um, and, you know, again, just don't stress out about it, you'll be fine. Yeah. So happy to take any questions on absolutely anything. Even if it's the, about the oral presentation right at the end as well, anyone have any questions at all, feel free to ask anything while Sunny and Avic are there. Ok. You know, um, I've actually got a question. Um, what do you think are the factors that contribute to lower marks in people's presentations? Um, well, I can speak well in, in general, I think talking to the course leads. Um, you, I think you could, well, not trying, knowing someone, like I didn't do well in the, to be honest I wasn't gonna say it. But, yeah, knowing someone who didn't do well in their oral presentation last year, um, for us that he didn't really know, sorry or she doesn't matter. Um, er, they didn't, they didn't really know um uh the science behind what was going on to be honest. And as I said, right at the beginning, the science is the whole BSE year is about science. So if you don't understand the science and the mechanisms behind what's going on, that's a big red flag to them. Number one, number two as well. I think just not being prepared. Like, of course, I think most people can fluke presentation. You can, but also not, um, knowing um, some pivotal stuff is probably the way you can, um, not do well as well and I know that's kind of self explanatory but I think people need to hear it. So, yeah, brilliant. There's quite a few questions in the chat if you can see them if you'd wanna just rattle through those. Do you want to take, let me see. All right. Um, the question by Ashwin. How do you do references for a presentation? Um Just uh put a little superscript 123, number it and at the very bottom of the page, at the bottom of your slide in brackets, you want the author's name, uh the abbreviated version of the journal and the year I would say, uh how did you first approach the paper? Some of these are based on papers. Are you do? I don't know if you want to sort of expand a little bit. Um Yeah, we're happy to also take sort of specific questions if you want to for your BSE as well. I mean, you'll have the breakout rooms. Um Let's have a look. Um We're just going to move on to the next one for now. Probably you can take the next one as well from MF. There's one on uh proposing new therapies, how to, how to approach um a good place to start would be to look at the current field. Um If there are certain therapies that exist, for example, ours was for heart failure, we had some old ones like um digoxin, a very well known mechanism. There are some current trials that look if there are any current trials as well, see what mechanism these drugs are targeting, find out what their flaws are. We were told that it didn't have to be awfully realistic as long as it was based on science. So find a new experimental or very recently released drug copy, their exact mechanism, find out what their side effects are and just make your drug such that. It's, uh, pretty much a copy of that without the side effects. II did that for mines and ended up scoring quite well. So it, it, it doesn't have to be particularly realistic. They're not gonna go into side effects as much as you, um, have a very good idea of the current mechanism and that's gonna be very easy if it's based on an existing therapeutic because it's all published. Yeah. Um Bonnie, I'm not, we're not too sure about your question. Do you wanna just maybe elaborate a little bit it? Are you talking about your specific BC? I'm not too sure. Um Yeah. Uh just keep the questions coming if there are any. Um But yeah, I think no one really fails this ICA. So don't worry. Mm. There was another, another point to add on. Um Missing Marks. II heard a lot of people in our year especially for, for cardio. Um If you went over the time they would cap you or deduct a certain number of marks. So it's important not to go over either if they have to stop you before the end. It, it, it's not very good. Yeah. Yeah. OK. Any more questions folks or shall we head to the breakout rooms? Um Now the person who is doing your breakout room may or may not be there um, oh, in remote med we've all been given a paper to do a presentation on. Oh, interesting. Uh, ok. So, I think your, is it sort of like a, a journal club kind of thing? If it is, then, um, it's probably quite interesting. I don't know if you want, II assume it's like a journal club. So essentially you've been given a paper and you have to present the main findings of a paper. Um, again, um, oh, ok. We've got someone who will talk about remote med. So they're probably in a better position to answer. But let me just quickly say, you know, journal clubs is essentially basically where you go through a paper and do a presentation on it, you go through the same thing, backgrounds. But what you spend a lot of time on is critically appraising what they've done bad, what they haven't done, uh, what, what they've done well and what they haven't done too well on. And the figures, as I, quite, as I said in my little bit of the talk, figures are so important and that's what science is all about. Really. They, they don't care about text. Um, just put a lot, put figures in and talk about it. But yeah, um, you can go into more detail about it in your specific breakout rooms. Brilliant. Thank you so much, Avic. And so I think we'll start the BSC specific breakout room, so I'll just talk everyone through how to get there. Um If you look on the left hand side of your screen, you'll see four icons, main stage breakout sessions, event info and sponsors. The breakout sessions is the one for the for breakout rooms. Um So click on it and you should see in alphabetical order, a list of the BSC S just click on your desired BSC to go to that breakout room. I will be recording. So this session is recorded and the breakout room sessions where people are attending and asking questions will also be recorded and I'll be visiting from time to time. Don't worry if the person for your breakout room is not there yet. They've been told to arrive between 7 37 40 but I'll be coming to check if they're coming. So if everyone would like to head to their breakout sessions now, um for their breakouts, er their BSE specific Q and A, that would be great. Um And of course, please message on the chat if you have any questions or any queries or anything you're concerned about. Um But yeah, Avi Kenny, you're welcome to head there as well. Um Thank you so much for a brilliant talk. Thanks. Worries if people want to email me, I don't know why but try if they want to. Um I'm happy to give my email out as well. Brilliant. I can see that people are heading to the breakout rooms now. So you're more than Welcome to go as well and I'll just be visiting them from time to time to check. People are coming. All right. See you soon. Buh-bye.