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just just about Yeah. I'm on my last nerve final leave for this rotation. Yeah, and then that's it. It gets slightly better when you get into F to study like ST T six full days per rotation. We have s p A days. Well, we kind of do that. Anyway, we have four days a month, like four days of rotation. What, One day a month? I swear. I get, like, way more than that. I have them every other day every other week. You're very lucky. I am. I'm not joking. Like my my program just sounds. Everyone high are being watched. Yes, it's okay. Good reminder. Hi, George. Hi, Amanda. Hi, Joanna. High the positive. That's their mean. You must pronounce it that way. Like as ever. I can't see the my wife. It's just my internet I can see under in in Britain. Um, but yeah, those two. Uh huh. Oh, I see. You were just grease. Yes, it's been nice, because the like, the ones that are even on the October, You see? Hi. Yes, all of these are recorded. Yeah, but the just of today is going to be more. Um I guess more relaxed than others. We do have slides because obviously we have gems that we want to pass on to you. Um, but this is your chance to ask us pretty much anything and everything that you want. Obviously, with the disclaimer that we can't tell you, we can't give you everything because we obviously signed agreements that we can't reveal too many secrets. But we'll go as much as is know if that makes sense. Congratulations to everyone who's got an interview coming up soon. Uh, it's a good opportunity to just ask us anything. Got in the meantime, in the run up to interviews, really, But I'm happy to stop when you guys are cool. So, yeah, we'll just run through some sides and then we'll open up to the floor for general questions and answers. And that's the only, um, my Internet has been playing up a bit today, guys. So sorry if I'm a bit delayed, Um, I'll just stop talking if I am too bad. But baby said everything that we say in this in this series and in these individual talks represent the views only of the person speaking. We're all doctors employed by the NHS and nothing that we say reflects the views or positions of our NHS trusts. We're not talking about clinical advice this time, but But as I have no questions, please, about what comes up in specific abuse because it's not kind of candidates in general, and it's also not very you need to be preparing general competency skills. No preparing for a particular set of questions. If they don't, you will be, um, good. Except that, except that's not necessarily the case for clinical where you can pretty much rehearse all of the scripts and protocols because they will come up. I'm sorry, Alex. Do you want to move on to your, uh, intro slide? It's okay. There is. Um I've run, Alex, um, trained at UCL work at the Royal Free Trust. Uh, those more mutations and looking forward to doing academic urology in the future. And that's really I am an F two working up in Newcastle, hoping to do something in the neuroscience surgery or neuro radiology. And I'm coming into my the academic block. Next will be quite prescient from tonight and then I'm aqua Went to Lester. Now I'm at royal. Sorry. Um, and I'm part of these academic units. Um, I'm moving on to a stroke after going, you know, after having a blast and Jen surge, Um, and similar to Alex. I want to be an academic urologist. How? And over. Okay, so as we're nearing the end of our eight week program, where now Week seven people are starting to get interviews and very soon, people getting offers and around the corner you'll be starting to select your jobs. Um, so this is just a quick reminder about factors to consider when choosing your program, whether it's the SFP or normal foundation program, one of the big ones is obviously locations. So you've selected one or two deliveries to apply to, but within that, there are also, you know, supplications. Do you want to work at a specific hospital or a specific university for your affiliation? Uh, so, for instance, if you want to do, uh, neurosurgery is working at UCL beneficial to be affiliated with U. C. L and Queen Square neurology, neurosurgery, for instance, other things to consider the clinical jobs that obviously you'll have six in the foundation program and five in a specialist foundation program, which jobs do you want to be doing? And, uh, the certain jobs you'd like to avoid, Uh, for instance, and then looking at your academic jobs, what are the research projects detailed in the program for your units of application? So I do have a look over what they are and whether they're very specific about what you can do to some degree, the risk flexibility in the type of project and type of supervise you can you can arrange yourself. But if the application program specifies exactly what the project is, uh, there's probably less flexibility there. And another thing to consider is the academic duration and frequency. So, uh, most jobs will have one academic block. But for instance, Ali is very lucky and fortunate to have to academic blocks. And also how are these blocks? Divided up is a one month, 14 month block. Or they like, for instance, in Oxford you get maybe one day a week. Um and also, where is this academic block located in your program as well? Come two in a second. And also the order of your jobs. Um, you know where in the order of your jobs do you want to have your academic. And, for instance, if you want to be doing the academic surgery, do you want to have a surgical job first and then do research afterwards, or do you want to have the other way around? So now we're just going to some very important points on how to rank your programs. So it's quite demanding job to actually rank the jobs, as I'm sure Aqua. Now you can tell you just just look at these examples here. The London SFPD scenery has 106 jobs, which is down from 135 last year. And for the foundation program alone, North London has 600 plus jobs, and South London itself has over 300 jobs. And when it comes to the time, how are you going to go through all ex 100 jobs and look at each program and decide which one do you really want to do? Um, that's going to take you hours and people you know have different methods reading every single one. But next week I'm going to show you the most efficient way to rank all of them to kind of automate it. Set your preferences and then rank them in a couple of minutes. And then after that, all you have to do is transfer that tutorial. So that's what we'll be covering next week, and we'll show you the Internet of how to do this the most efficient way. So now we'll just cover some brief, important things to consider during SFP. So as long we will flip through, we'll just run through a timeline. So this is a timeline. So in about August, after your finals, you start F Y one. You'll be starting in August with your rotation. One you'll be rotating in December and your rotation, too, in April the following year, you move onto rotation three and you know, providing the past before you sign off. So you move into F I to, you know, be starting rotation four Shortly after that, Rotation five again in December and rotation six. And soon after that, you'll be moving on to your next post, whether this being a CF core training, maybe an F three. So where are you now? In this cycle, you're at the very beginning. One important thing to consider is that it looks like you've got six rotations before you move to the next job. But in reality, the next round of applications are the beginning of F two. So you only really have three rotations for one year to be preparing for this and an important thing to notice. If you're looking to apply for the next academic step, the A CF your academic block is most likely going to be. An F two is very rarely an F one, but most of time an F two and it could be another 45 or six, and it's shown here your application will be during rotation. Four. So if your academic block is rotation six, is that a disadvantage? That you know, you've had no academic experience yet and you're going to go into a CF applications, whereas if it's during rotation for maybe you've had some academic experience, you can talk about it as well, So those are factors to consider as well, in terms of picking your jobs. Other things. To think about additional courses, you may have to do conferences, membership exams and also post graduate degrees. If you're interested, these are lots of things to consider, and you're going to have to find time and space in your busy rotor over these two years trying to fit them in as well. And also consider the next round of applications. You know, do you need to do some of this within the next 12 months as well? So these are all important things to consider. Uh, I also appreciate, uh, the kind of reduced timeline you have over the next two years. Uh, that's only now thanks, Alex, and and I think before phrased a really, really important point, which is that we often think about specialties and next day after f two, because we talk about them in the timeline because but obviously we apply for things a year in advance months and so in turn, it's more correct to think of them really after effort, a slightly frustrating element to the way that our training works. Where pee, really, I think, was to allow people who want to research or enter the academic pathway to support them to do so. The problem from the way it is really reports people who are already doing research things, which is then how they get the AFP job or the SFP job, job and go and move that forward into academic training because really, you're in full time clinical N f one. And that means it's just something to be aware of that more competitive anesthetic surgery. Um, if you're a little audits and things like that and you want them to be ready, be wouldn't be waiting for your academic block unless you want to take a year out and be a locum or something else. So it's just something to consider. If you want to go straight through, then the academic stomach block is to to help you with that. Um so just some thing to bear in mind. Thank you. Put that on the slides. So I just got three kids, which are things that you can be doing now before Well, you know that you're going to be an sfp doctor, which hope not everyone will, but it's really important. Obviously not being an S f Peter doesn't stop. Keep you from doing any of these things that you might want to do. You can always projects, papers, whatever. Um, but the first thing to think about is careers thinking about sfp program going to fit into your overall career program. And this is something that you will no doubt be asked at interview. Anyway, you should go in with an answer. Have you applied for this one? What are you actually going to do if it's your 10 year plan or your five year plan or whatever it is you have? So you've got a day, a week or four months of time, Mm. To write four months of PE time. So what are you going to do? Are you going to do develop a particular you might want to? In that time, it could be something clinical you might say. Look, I'm not employed all the time. I'm going to learn to do arterial line or a point of care. Ultrasound. Or, you know, you could use that time productively. Go on and also got the time. Um it might be some something like getting the area of research. Alex has already mentioned specialties like urology, and you're awesome. You know, subspecialties are a very long, long way away from, I suppose, not too far away. If if you want to do pediatrics thing, whether subspecialty training starts more towards the middle of their training. If you want to do interventional radiology sales as opposed to, um Then, you know, if if you've never had any experience, experience in that area to go and start getting involved in interventional radiology theology research, so that s t four. Or whenever it is when the time comes, you're you're better prepared and you can say, I'll research done in my academic block. Um, and it might be methodology, and this is what I chose to do with my academic blocks. I ever done any qualitative research before or certainly never been in involved with leading research. I'm going to use this space, sit down and think and become familiar with qualitative, um, methods. And the one that I've used is is thematic now. I couldn't do it myself before my first academic block, but now I can something that I can now take two other projects because I've had the time and space to do it properly under academic supervision. And again once, if I do come up with a basic plan, how are you going to do it? If I'm sorry, I'll go to the next one. Anyway, I think it covers what I was going to say because this kind of goes in into the second sending. And I suppose in brackets support as well. This is going to be almost the backbone to your life as an academic dot knitted or not limited, often by the structures that are available available to you. You know, many academic units will offer a funded qualification, whether that is a certificate in something like leadership or research or nation for a particular certificate or accredited, Um, qualification and something I know the fellowship of the, um, Medical Leadership Dip group. Whatever the you may want some teaching opportunity and have that be a bit more structured, supported training to allow you to apply for your associate, a ship of the Higher Education Academy Authority A, um, something that people want. And again, something that I was able to build into my academic block and say I want to do some teaching in a supported and accredited way be about funding to attendances or interesting. If you said, you know, I want to get into artificial intelligence and saw something, and this course that's running at this university over six weeks, can you do that? And most places I think, would say and fund you for it because it's part of your development. And, uh, Alex has already mentioned that you're allied to particular universities and universities here. I think Aqua is affiliated with about six. Can you make the most of those resources? So for me, with my academic, any lecture from any program that runs in the medical school ever pay for it, It's so if I want to go along to a statistic module module, I just have to email them and go along, um, flied to do with the specifics of your project. And it's something I was quite anxious about is I've heard about having a project lined up and already knowing exactly what they were going to do. Do now the project in place before you apply to the SFP, equally just bend up. It doesn't mean that you will get the SFP or be more more likely to get the SFP. But what is important, I think, is to have a basic idea of what you want to do. And again, this might be asked about in the interview who you might want as a supervisor. Taco and Alex want to do urology for example, so knowing urologist might be able to supervise them or has experienced experience in the thing that's obviously going to be really important. What support exists you already know of. Just this talking about course is funding. Um, other forms of support that exists actually need to do the type of work that you want to do. For example, if you are looking at something robotic surgery, for example, then a site with robots, right? Or if if you do a medical education research project probably something with qualitative element a senior doctor or a professor of medical education to support you. Um, in order for you to do good job thing that I want to talk about is ethics, because and this this is why you need discussion early. You've got to remember that if you want to do a project, it has to be a cheap scope of your SFP, and normally that's four months or a day week. Over a year. I would, um, if you want to do anything any chest patients, getting the approval for that can take several months by itself and HS, and it has to come back and it takes forever I would actively advise against. I think it's a bad idea, a scope of an S F p. It might, but it's one of those ones where, if you would you to start as Alex in August, Maybe, And you're on an academic block in your first job of it, F one, which is possible, then you need to be getting your ethics in place by, like March to make sure it's all done equally. When you if you're going into F to be getting, um, it's not in the message is, uh, it's just make making sure that everything is ready to hit the ground running anemic job and not turning up on day one. And finally oh, no, they do anything for three months and by which time I've wasted my academic. So that's all have a good senior discussion about? Well, basically either say no, this isn't feasible or it is feasible. It is feasible providing you can get ethical approval in place, which acts. All of these things are good things to do before you start. And now Yeah, thank you, Ollie and Alex for that, But now I would like to open it for questions. for our audience because, you know, if you guys have come here, you've probably got a question. Maybe I'm assuming a muted This is just it's an open round. Take any questions that you have about anything that we've said just now or process or being an academic doctor will discuss that. Yeah. Alex, do you want to take else's first question? I think you need to check the small print on the applications. Um, don't Don't take, um, what I say exactly, But I think you may be able to count this if it's a post of presentation. Um, but if it's an oral presentation, I'm not I don't think you can, um what does that apply to prizes? Hm? In terms of prices is similar because when it comes to prices, if it's an oral presentation, for example, you you know how you 11 of the learned Malcolm Prize As much as I would love to claim it as my own victory, I can't because that was your oral delivery. Whereas if we want to post a prize together, then we could both claim it. That's how I interpret prices. And also, when it comes to the fine print, usually in your real form. Correct me if I'm wrong, Elsa, but I think it specifies Is it delivered by you, or is it delivered by another person? But at least when it comes to you know, Now, if you've got your interview already, they're only looking for a presentation of some sort of like a recognizable body. Um, so they will count it regardless. Um oh, you're applying next year. Okay? Yeah. So if you're applying for the SNP next year, then as long as you're an author, that's fine. You don't need to be first offer. You don't need to be presenting. It'll still count. Yeah. So also, I just checked the London dinari, the CEO's application guide. The presentation's. It just says the applicants must be a named or filling the presentation. Uh, it doesn't specify if you have presented it, although it's better if you did, but it doesn't specify. So I think it's You can assume that. But I think what we just said applies to prizes as well. Yeah, exactly. I agree. And do you want to answer? The rules may change. Sorry. Know the rules may change, but I think that would be very mean happens, though, doesn't it? Look at CST, Whatever. Whatever. Don't even wait. Do you want to answer your question? Um, Joanna says available lectures and programs we can attend during the SFP. Um, you two other guys, um, to say because I'm sure things are very different at UCL may be different or not. My experience when I was looking thing is that is that most places Well, the U K F P o website is generally terrible. The information that is available to candidates is also not very good of their way to spell things out. Um, I aware that actively said, Here is a list of things that you can attend and you kind of. And So, for example, Newcastle. It's all made mention diversity member of staff. You can you can 10 things that as a prompt to. Then go and look at what module girls were running in. Defied things like medical ethics, medical statistics, um, them long before anywhere near the program. And that's some thing that I'd advise people do again. I'd invite Akron Alex to Yeah, and I think Alex can definitely chip in, but for because me and Alex are currently the same greenery, even though now it's split. Um, we get regular e mails telling us we've got different webinars or different teaching things available. So, like, Alex, you recently just went to a big north London teaching thing, didn't you? And I think our delivery will regularly hold those type of things. Yeah, So, as I was just mentioning more or less the same things, Um So, for instance, you feel specifically because you and I both hold affiliations there. Uh, we get weekly e mails s advertising events or talks interesting talks, especially within our department and division. So that's 11 place. Otherwise, for instance, north London. There's a small committee that been set up to deliver teaching, um, each rotation. So we get emails about the teaching, that stuff. And it was just one this week in person at UCL. So mainly via email. Yeah, exactly. And yeah, as I said, I know Northwest. I remember. There's a diary that specifies the impact factor for Max. Points needs to be like more than six or something. I remember reading that. I was like, What the hell? That's crazy. I know. Like generally they were very prescriptive. Yeah, very brutal. Um, so, yes, you're right. I am with Northwest Link England. Um, that generally, unfortunately, you won't get to the point where, as London I feel like you would. Even the London is more perceived as competitive. Always read the fine print. But as far as we know, as long as you're up and author for the vast majority will count for CST and your future applications as well as your SFP and, um, just go back to Joanna's second point about medical statistics. Uh, again, it's worth checking up the program references for each one of the descriptions. So I know, at least for London, the SF es especially for Imperial. Their research programs are very vague, and they offer a very good description about the economic block is about trying to increase your economic knowledge and skills so they actually offer you courses. And Imperial, in particular, I know, offer each training 1500 lbs in funding. Uh, and you can use that to conferences, travel, And, uh, if you can explain why certain course like coding or statistics is relevant to research, they will find that for you. So depending on your block and your location and responding to the courses of these as well. Yeah, and going to the next one. I have an idea of how I plan to balance clinical and academic duties during an S A P. Is that perhaps anything you don't know exists until you actually get there? Um, do you mean Abraham? Do you mean during your academic block, or do you mean in general during your foundation program? Because in reality, at least for me and Alex, I think I'm speaking on behalf of you, Alex. Sorry. I think our F one is pretty standard to our normal, like clinical colleagues, our normal foundation, like colleagues. Like there is no difference in terms of balancing. But that's because I guess Alex and I, we work on very similar studies together. Um, so we are balancing clinical and academic time already. Um, but do you mind just expanding on exactly which section you're talking about? Abraham. So what? We look for Abraham to respond, maybe. Go two syringes. Question, maybe go to olive first. Because you've had more experience than a queen. I, um what do you think is a realistic amount of output from the S A p l e. Um, I think it depends. It depends what you want. Want it, I think is the first thing to say. Because what you let's start with the premise that your city block is an F two, which, which majority of people and, you know, for for a third of people that work for a third, it will be in the middle and a third of the end. You know, someone here last is like, probably what? I don't even have their work collected by the end of their academic block. But you're certainly not publishing a paper end of your sfp, are you? In four months that that isn't better to the editor. Or so it it I'm going to try and frame this in terms of what I did. That might be an easier way to think about it. So my main qualitative interviews with thematic analysis, Um, just four months for me, and this is just something that was agreed with my supervisor would be, uh, getting ethics, getting the data transcribed in the second academic block, which is now in F two. My only job is basically to write up the manual and get it submitted, Um, starting another second project and gathering the date for that. But there is no expectation that I will be able to write it up or finish. But alongside alongside those main projects was doing things like being involved in systematic review. People in the department begins. Um, it's a It's focused too heavily on outputs. It's kind of about the whole experience. And what about building skills and going on courses and things that is, as important, the main project. And you may not get put within the SFP program that that you probably don't just because of the time involved. But that's okay. Yeah, I would like to like, I hope that answers the question. Yeah, I think the vast majority of people have, like one or two projects and obviously depending on your team and how your team divvies up the presentation's, um because I know, at least for like, London, um, at least for us, when it comes to presentations, will kind of, like equally distributed. So one of us will present in the European 11 of us will present in the international one in some other random country. One of us will do the UK one. It's that's how it's divided up. So we all get, you know, varying amounts of output. But I would aim for at least one or two projects, listening to what all is said. And I think, and I think that's fair to say Yeah, and just to trip an extra thing in there. As far as I'm aware, there's no minimum requirements regarding output to pass the academic block. I think you just need to meet, you know, any a ercp requirement. And essentially, it's just a supervisor. Sign off just to say, You know, you've been proactive and you've been involved in your academic block, you know, there's no you need to get X amount of publications of presentations from it because I think that's quite unrealistic, just, you know, to put into perspective you can definitely am high. Um, so I know there are current A. C. S who've been involved in a systematic review. Um, since they're sfp, it's taking them two years and it's just come out in. I think you answered gastroenterology or something like that, so you know, some things will take a long time, But as of any publication, it takes time. So just that's Latin. Yeah. And I'd like to now answer Joanna's question, and I'm putting you on the spot, Joanna. Okay. So bear with me. What does a cohort study look at? Is a cohort study looking at, um, outcome slash disease status or is it looking at exposure status? If you answer that, you'll be able to answer your question. Okay, so outcome Yeah, case controlled as outcome and cohort study does exposure. So when we're comparing them, I understand because cohort usually do perspective. But with a retrospective cohort study a colon study, you look at the outcome or the sorry, all the exposure status, whereas case control, you're looking at disease outcome. I always imagine it as like a, um, like I square test. When it comes to, Do they have disease? Or do they not? That is case control, because the cases are the ones with the positive disease, and the controls are the ones without it. Whereas retrospective, you're still looking at what expose them to whatever disease it is, irrespective of the timeframe that was collected. That's my understanding of the difference between the two. And I very much doubt that they will ask you, um, or they'll show you the difference between it. But if you do, then read up on it and really understand the difference between the exposure versus outcome, because it really just means risk factors versus achieved disease state. So, yeah, just to recap, case control, they've already got the disease. That's outcome based. Then Cohort is looking at exposures or risk factors, irrespective of it. If it's retrospective or prospective, and then I hope that answers your question when it comes to Alberto be apart from your main SFP project, is it possible to get involved in other projects your supervisor is involved in During the two years of foundation, I would say Yes. Oliver. Toby, I would heavily ask you to take over some of my projects, man. Okay, there is No, There is no stopping you from being involved in as much as you want to want to do. Like media supervisor early. Um, because I remember I e mailed my supervisor and I added my twitter, and I added, my, um my orchid i d. And he apparently already looked at my twitter and already looked at my own good idea, and he already knew. Okay. Yeah. She's lost two urology. It was too far gone, So she already so he already knew that. Like, Okay, I I know that you're you're, um your taste a week is going to be a neurology, and I know that your, um, interest in academic stuff is going to be a urology. So let's not even, like, lie here. I'll put you in touch with the urology department, and you can do whatever you want with them. That is how proactive he was. You know, so really meet them from the get go and set your expectations, but really talk to them because they're here to guide you. They're not here to give you something that you don't want to do. If that makes sense, I guess Alex and Ali, would you like to chip in? Yeah. I mean, it's obviously dependent on each supervisor, so, you know, if they have other projects they're looking to recruit people to get involved in, then I'm sure they get you involved. But you know, if they're running clinical trials on the side and you know maximum capacity, probably not, but obviously depends on who use It rises. Yeah, like there's nothing stopping you from getting involved in. For example, if your hospital is doing other stuff I was doing like, multiple audits. By all means. You can just bear in mind that you have your clinical responsibilities to and you will be physically and mentally drained. That will be your hindrance. I guess only. Yeah, absolutely. So just two quick things to say the first is that you and Alex both are now and and I obviously have have been outside of the U. S. F p block. You are. This is everyone else with exactly the expectations, all the rest of it. So, you know, as you can get involved with other projects alongside F one that are completely unrelated f two it's balancing it alongside every everyone else because you things meet the same standards and be revising for your membership exams and to do the second thing is a Yeah, absolutely isn't to me. So my supervisor, uh, like I said has supported me on this qualitative methodologies project because I've done that and was now type of analysis that she was is an expert. But then when the opportunity they needed someone else for, like, a completely different project. He had that needed analyzing. She just said, Well, we need someone. You Why don't you just come and do this? So that's obviously an extra project. It will be a paper that they've got a vested interest been publishing. So yeah, all about getting stuck in, I think, and being keen and being prepared to put in the graft, but that will get you are in most things that you do. Yeah, exactly. Um, it's all about what you put in, and I guess how proactive you are all the way out. Okay, I think that that is the key. And when it comes to all the supervisor, she is so nice that somehow as Ali's partner, I'm also involved in some of your stuff for some reason. How did that happen? God knows, okay, Going back to Abraham So the academic block itself is quite free, But there are specific choir mints and fall. So do read the you know, the detailed descriptions feature. And so, for instance, um, some of the U. C L ones who specifically my academic radiology block, whilst it's relatively free, you know, getting projects that some of them do have clinical commitments. So, for instance, I am required to attend the weekly radiology NBC meetings, for instance. Some people and other deliveries I've heard may have an on call here and there, so it's not completely off. But you do need to check what requirements and commitments there are as well. But, you know, in your time off, you can do whatever you want. You know, projects related to the SNP projects related outside the SNP. You can do a few low comes here and there you go. You know, uh, improve your clinical skills. So, for instance, if you need to do some flexible cystoscopy is because you've got less clinical time and you're allowed to do that, I'm sure you can go ahead and do that as well. Um, so, in summary, just read the small print because they will specify what's involved. Yeah, and, like, I only do you want to talk about what you did during your first academic block? Yeah, So it's Alex. This is basically already nicely you have of the way, but it was for me their clinical requirements. That is the the foundation document. These are exactly the same. So despite not being employed, I was still expected to be getting my CBDs. My many checks is my other things that you need. You're contributing to Borden Q. I various learning experience is engaging with with the weekly teeth teaching The, um, I was required to do the medical call on call for eight hours a week across the the duration of my four months by the something to evening on calls from five PM till nine PM Or sometimes it might be, uh, no, no, on call for the entire weekend on call for general medicine. Um, I think by trust, I know that some places don't seem to have those clinics. Medical requirements certainly do. So my I have to build my academic stuff around my clinical, um, requirements and actually for you. But there's an interesting story there where this second project to mine is in neurosurgery, and the neurosurgery team at my hospital actually offered really support me and get me involved in stuff and and they were like, Do you go for four months like it will help with your application to, you know, we'll try election and all of that, and that's really nice. The problem. Problem is, it doesn't get on the medical on call rotor. So I'm not completely free to do what I want. I still have a certain set of expectations, And, uh, as I said about many checks is CBD. You've still got a pass? A r c e p. So think about seems that some of you already have so well done. Yeah. Oh, Alex, you want to answer also? Yeah. So yours is really quick. So I just checked the London SFP requirements. And then it says, quote confirmation of scoring top 10% of medical school year for an exam subject. So, in summary, Yes, Getting a letter is useful. And secondly, anything you list on your SFP portfolio, you know, degrees, publications, presentations, prices. You need to have the evidence for it now. So, um, you know, Is that a certificate? Is there a letter that's been signed? Because what can happen is they will recall a small percentage of all applicants and ask you to submit your evidence of everything you've listed If you can't produce the letter certificate for it. Um I don't know what's going to happen, but it won't. You know it's going to look very poorly in your application. Um, it's really just a safeguard against falsifying, but it's important to have it regardless. Anyway, for your CVS moving forward. So I do collect them now, especially if you're applying next year. You've got plenty of time, but I would definitely get the evidence ready before you apply. Yeah, because you just never know if you're going to be the one that's picked on, you know? So just be on the safe side. Amanda, how was your collaboration between you and your other colleagues? Also doing sfp competitive competitiveness or helping each other out or joining forces? So, do you mean applying for sfp or during the actual sfp itself? Amanda? And then how was your relationship with supervisors? Okay, I guess only and Alex can also chip in. Do you guys wanna? Yeah. So, assuming the first part, the question is regarding preparing for the sfp. Um, I think it was useful. So myself and another friend, we practice and helped each other. Um, so yes. Okay, fine. Uh, I presume that means in the application or during the during the actual CF. Okay, fine. Um, I don't know if I can say much, because I'm not on the academic block yet, but I mean my S and P colleagues. I know who they are. They're just the same as regular clinical colleagues. So at the moment, I can't say much, but I presume during the actual academic block, there would be any issues. It's all about collaboration. Yeah, Ali, I think all of your SFP mates, like you're, like, have dinner and stuff. It's really sweet, isn't it? Yeah. I mean, I guess part of it is there's not that many of us in my, uh, in my Diener E. There's only, like, 21 or two, I think academic doctors. And then we're obviously just one site, and I think there's maybe four, 10 or 15 of us. All of us are across difficulties and things as well. Like I'm the only person in a med sfp like specific track. And there's equally only one person in the transfer plant one and one person. There's no really opportunity city to compete. If there's not any reason why you would. And that might be difficult where I guess that will be lots of people wanting to do. You know, people wanting to do neurosurgery or lots of people wanting to do plastics or where it might be a bit more palpable. But equally. I know there are mobile people were here wanting to do ent and post that exists here, but, um, I don't think it's a problem. It's been very collaborative. Really? Yeah. And as I said earlier, Amanda, like, I think with my supervisor. I met him very, very early on, and hopefully he's going to be my academic supervisor for two whole years. And it's all just getting, you know, just just literally shooting an email and starting that communication out. Because I know Ali and his supervisors are very close. I'm very close to mine. Alex. Have you met yours yet? No, I'm not going to touch yet. Alex, what are you doing? I don't know. We'll see. Because mine's radiology at the radiology at the U. C L U C h um, we'll see what they say. Yeah, Alexey being ground down by being, and that's his job. Jen, Surge. You know, bonnet. It sounds horrific, to be honest. That's tough. Yeah. So yeah, next question about, uh, I've got a week or five nights coming up soon. That's going on. But yeah, it's brutal. No. Yeah. Like all the way to be like I It's really it's such a pity, because obviously Alex and I are the same scenery, and I do research with UCL, but I'm actually at royal. Sorry. And my gyn surgical rotation is a dream compared to what Alex is is like I'm in theater every other day. Um, I hardly have any patients. We discharge them all the time. My register Really nice. My consultants actually care about who I am. Um, it's actually quite supportive. Yes, it does get stressful. There are moments, but like, that's the nature of surgery, right? Some patients can just go off like that. Like today. We just had an iatrogenic Oh d d perforation. So I had to be on the ground and organize like seedpods and not organized like the laparotomy that had happened. And I had to beg the anesthetist, just please take him, please. And then he was, like, so sorry for me. He was like, Your red should be doing this, but I commend you. You told me all the relevant information. So, you know, like in terms of working here, I feel like I'm supportive, and this is going to be a cracking two year program for me, if that makes sense. Um, and as Alex said, when we go through how to rank jobs next week, um, specifically for me, location was very important. And, like Alex is literally right next to home as well. So we have that going for us. Um, the our jobs seem to So we're both doing gentle and it seems to be quite different. Yeah, that's not to say that I'm not enjoying my job. I'm actually really enjoying it. It will depend on, you know, staffing levels. You know, how intense is the surgical department at your hospital as well? Geographically. Or you? More, you know, in the periphery is compared to central hospitals. So those are all feeding. Um, but in terms of your question regarding you see as an academic unit and I think it's going well, um so for me, I trained at UCL. I'm staying at UCL. So for me, there's no difference in the continuity. It's just been the same for me. Um that has been at UCL for a while as well. And I think that both of us, we really benefit, you know, from a post on the chat earlier about you know what? What do you get from an affiliation? So, you know, you get a you see our email address, we get to zoom free. Um, you know, we get the software licenses to use, uh, loads, starter s s, you know, in the office. Um, there's a lot of valuable resources there as well. We have every journal ever. And what's the best thing is is that when it comes to like, um, institutional login the example it always gives us UCL. And it's just like, yeah, that's nice. And also, the one strong benefit is depending where you are, obviously, but open access fees Universities will sometimes pay for that. And that's really beneficial in terms of how far your research will reach. Because, you know, if if your New England Journal of Medicine publication is hidden behind up a wall, you know, half the world probably won't see it. So if you can get that paid for, you know, your research is going to reach further and further, just to quickly answer Georgia's question about affiliation. So that really depends on your academic units. So, for instance, I know Imperial have a lot of funding for the trainees. I believe all of this trainees also get affiliations. UCL does not automatically affiliate you. It's just by virtue of the research. And when I do that, we have an affiliation with our department. It's not a given for any academic block, but it's worth enquiring. You know, if your supervisor is, if it's possible for you to get, you know, journal access and all that because remember when your university affiliation expires, you become an alumni. You to use those privileges and access as well. Yeah, just out of curiosity, because obviously, you know how both Alex and I are affiliated. But how are how are you affiliated with the School of Medical Education? So I I'm not actually sure how they do it for the rest of the SFP doctors here, so I, or how my affiliation works, is I am a training fellow or what it's called a training fellow little education and that so I'm a staff member within the medical school under research associate. That's how that works. Um, I'm not sure. Although I imagine Then it's the case that I it's that way. Is that the head of the academic program? Is the whole school not within the hospital? Um, so I don't know. I would have to check. Feel as though that's the way it's probably done for all the academic doctor. Sure I would have. And that's the way it is for me. I'm not actually looked it up. Yeah, but, George, I would heavily like email your supervisor and just ask because I think you're you're entitled, like, as an academic doctor to have some of the bones and benefits that you get with the the title. And, um, yeah, well, you've already answered John. His question, I guess. Yeah, I just I can only assume so I don't know. Um but like, I can't imagine that it would be fair or like happened, So, um, I can quickly check, um, because isn't Ana And she should She might be under the same degree as you, right? Yeah. Yeah, and I think it is. But again, I don't know, aware her film, whether it's like which particular department when it comes through. The person that I know is for myself. Yeah, because one of the most recent papers. No. Yeah. And don't forget guys that the affiliation is not straightforward, that you're affiliated, you see? Oh, there is. You know, there is an application process. There is someone senior head of department, the dean that needs to improve your application. You need to be affiliated with a division or a department within the university. So aka and I affiliated with a division with the new CEO. We're not affiliated directly with you, so it's kind of an umbrella tive. So, you know, depending on your academic block is in radiology or medical education will determine where you can be affiliated. And then obviously, because it's different departments, you know all this. You know, the seniors in that department supportive enough to get your application going, getting it approved because they do take a while the paperwork involved. So just be aware it's not a given. But do inquire about it. Yeah. Are there any more questions? Because it's 8 30 we're mindful of sticking to time as well. Okay, there are no more questions then next week will be week eight and our final session of the 123 s f E series. Um, we'll be going over, you know, what's the most efficient way to rank your jobs? Uh, and we'll be doing this with a very, very simple application that I'm sure all of you are familiar with. We'll be going through one of us will give you an example of how you know we would rank the jobs based on our preference. Is the location ordering? Um, you know, clinical jobs, the academic jobs. Um, so we'll give you a live example of how we did it, how we determine the order of our jobs in the application process. And then afterwards, we will discuss about you know, what happens when you get an offer. How do you accept an offer? What happens next? What happens to your foundation program and everything? Memorial. So, do you join us next week for our final session? And we'll see you then? Yeah, please. To fill out the feedback. Thank you, guys. Thank you.