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Hey chelsea is everything okay, sorry, hello oh I've left a question in the chat for you to answer um the sessions now being recorded all right um okay, I wasn't sure if we were going to start now, we're at 6 15 or like yeah, so are we just like in this room until seven basically yeah, unless people leave and don't come back for around five minutes, you just welcome to leave yourself okay, okay here's right, I guess I'll get started. We have one person in the room currently, so um yeah let's see um okay, so I see we have one person in the room, um feel free to turn your camera on mute or use the chat, um but my name is chelsea I'm 1/4 year and I'm doing my bsc and global health and it's been absolutely amazing um Has opened up so many avenues I would say um and I've just learned so much about medicine about a lot of the things that we just don't get taught about in like a regular medicine course, so I'm really excited to be talking to you guys today about it. Um I don't have any slides prepared unfortunately, but um hopefully our discussion can be guided by the questions. Um I was more invited to this event, so I wasn't really sure of the format. So like apologies, I don't have slides, but um yeah I don't know this is that kind of thing, but hopefully you can just answer some questions, um So I'm gonna respond to reas, question firstly, so what is your favorite thing about your b. S. C. Um So I'll just give a bit of background actually, so global health was not my first choice um basically my criteria for choosing my bsc um included not being in the school of medicine actually um so I didn't want to do a lab based bsc. I don't want to do, for example neuro or cardio, or endo, or any of those that would require me to be in the lab, um So my options were management um global health and engineering violence because they're within different faculties um, and that's more because I wanted to explore something different and global health and management. In particular gave me those opportunities, um I put management first, I didn't get management, but that's fine um I can still learn those skills elsewhere, um, but I'm really glad that I chose global health and then I got it in the end um because my favorite thing about the vsc is that um well. I guess it's so global um yeah well intended, but yeah um So what really surprised me was the variety of lecturers that we get um the one that stood out most to me was one that we had by a guy from harvard um His name was I think eugene, richardson or Nicholson think richardson, but essentially he was talking about his book called um in epidemic illusions um and it's about um decolonization making the case for it um. And basically throughout, this vsc, you come to find that there are people that are essentially really passionate about their fields, really passionate about other people and really passionate about change. Um So this guy um he flew in from Harvard to give this lecture, um so we were quite honored to be um sat there just listening to him um and he came and he spoke about decolonization um and he gave us uh sample copies of his book, which I thought was really nice um but you got the sense from this guy that um he was really um invested in in his cause um so basically the idea was that institutions such as Harvard, imperial johns, hopkins, yale, stanford um they're all actually built on remnants of like a colonial era, and it's a bit ironic that like example this guy from harvard um was talking about how we should deconstruct institutions such as Harvard, um but his philosophy was and what I thought really one our class over was that he's um sort of being swallowed by a bear, which is harvard and he's trying to like cut them open from the inside of like exposed, um which I thought was really interesting um So, he said, he's sort of just using the harvard pain too um promote his cause, but we've had lecturers from candida as well, so someone named doctor Angela mastered kringle um She spoke on the indigenous people of candida. I'm not sure if you've been to Candida, but health care for the indigenous people of candida um is actually quite um inequitable um compared to the rest of the population um in Candida. For example, I attended the World AIDS Conference last year last summer, which was in montreal and right at the end of the conference. Um I found it was really interesting that um they had a section devoted to recognizing the land on which the conference center was built on um and they had person's um from the indigenous people coming out um in their native dress, I guess um or with native symbols um just to, I guess, pay homage to the land and pay homage to the people that used to be settlers there, um So, I had a lecture by her that was really interesting and um we had a lecture by someone called doctor Andrew Hill, not sure if you've seen him, but he's actually quite famous within the advocacy world um and essentially all, I wanted to say with with that was, um you get exposed to so many different kinds of people um and just really passionate people, not just the lecturers, but also the other students you meet so um we're encouraged to have really regular and frequent discussions with our classmates on different topics. For example, do you think healthcare should be socialized should be privatized should we have a mix of both um and we're encouraged to have these discussions amongst ourselves in the group, um and you just come to find out that you're sitting amongst such a fantastic group of people um that are actually probably going to change the world or have a significant part in that um and I just found it really um humbling experience um as well as just feeling really privileged to be surrounded by so many um like minded people um So I don't know where else you're gonna find another medic, that wants to talk about politics and how politics in one country affects healthcare delivery systems in another country um So there's that you meet a lot of like minded people that you might not um. Otherwise, in the other bs cs, um So that's on that question, I was literally just about to ask um if you guys have any other questions, um So I don't continue going on about this one um but that was actually my my most favorite thing about the bsc anyone that asked me, I said yeah lecturers already lectures from around the world and the amazing people that you get to meet and have such interesting discussions with so yeah um I see the next question um buy, buy new is how is the course structured. Um I hope I said your name right um no please correct me and feel free whoever has joined to turn your cameras on and mute um and just like have a discussion um This is really chill really informal, so how is the course structured, um So I joined the main stage earlier and I saw that Ria, I heard that re a said that Global Health was structured differently to the other bs cs. It's not actually um so because it's a. B. Sc, so bachelor of Science um It's still treated. We're still taught the same scientific methodologies. Let's say so, all of our i c a s are the same as the i c. A. S. For the other um bs cs. Um However, the context within which we I guess have to do our assessment is slightly different, so I see a 12 and three are the, the first one is either a commentary or a letter to the edit er We had a commentary for ours, I say to was a mineral presentation, um Arts was on homelessness and tackling homelessness um in the UK, and proposing different government policies. I see three was a data analysis assessment, and we were looking at real world data from the e warren system, which is the early warning system um In areas of complex such as Syria, ours was on Syria, and we were looking at the impact of the war on different diseases that might have arisen, impact to healthcare services, emergence of um such segregated healthcare services and how that was impacting the people, particularly children um. That was really interesting, um but for other i c a s, you would have basically a a similar structure um where it gets a bit different where it is a bit different is in i c a, I think it's called i c a four or I say five, but essentially in global health, it kind of gets a bit jumbled here because we sorry we sort of start this. I see a interim one because four year science and context, I think you mentioned this earlier um in other bs cs, other science based or lab based, bs cs, you are studying a patient case um or a particular condition from not mistaken, but in global health for us, we study um an n. G. O. So a non governmental organization you get taught about um the different structures um uh and um how charities um work um uk At least um how they're labeled, um but we're working with an n. G. O. A community based organization or CBO um and we're analyzing how um they can better respond to or better communicate um the needs. I'm so glad that more people are joining. Thank you so much for joining how better they can communicate with their, their local community and respond to their needs um So for mine I was placed with one Westminster, and this is a charity actually that looks after other charities. It's really interesting because um they actually do the social prescribing for the gPS in the area, so this charity acts as like a hub for other services that might be charities um that do things like painting or for example yoga classes, and so gps connect with one Westminster, and they help to place patient's requiring social prescribing services um place them with one of the other smaller charities that makes sense so um It was really cool um but the learning for that the placement bit for that as in, like going in interact with the CBO interacting with um community members and participants that happens in term one, however, the actual formal assessment is in term two, so that's the only way that I've heard of um that were quite different to the other bs cs, however, you're still doing the same assessments, so we also had the group literature review that other bs cs would have had, for example, um the topics within which we do these essays are slightly different, though so for other i c a s, for example, Cardiology you might be looking at particular proteins in heart muscle, for example, whereas for us, we're looking at how global health actors how different donations from um private entities such as the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation impacts delivery of services um in certain communities, For example, um so we're looking at slightly different things, but um in my opinion, it's actually quite interesting quite a lot more interesting um something different from the usual medicine that we do for the other five years, but yeah that's how the course is structured, um what was the allocation process like for your projects um. Actually so this year we were kind of spoiled for choice um and so there are 37 of us on the Global Health, bsc 37 27 26 of us yes that was another bs i was thinking of um There are 26 of us on the b s c and we had about 62 63 was 60 to 62 projects to choose from last year. Apparently, um there was some unhappiness around the project allocations, and they were saying that for example, global health was given all the projects that the other science bs cs didn't want um, and I feel like maybe they might have addressed that for this year, but I can say confidently that this year we have had quite a lot to choose from um so how it works, you get three first choice is you get three second choice is um and they go in rounds. So during round a they try to allocate everyone either their first choice or their second choice. I guess one of their first choices are one of their second choice is you write a small like personal statement for each of the projects um And you submit that and if a single project has lots of people competing for it, then they use your grades from module one, which is everything you did in term one, so I see a one, I see a too and I see three um and they just allocated to the higher performing students basically so yeah apparently most of us got something in our first choice, I got the one that I really wanted in my first choice, so I'm doing um a bespoke analysis of an hiv cohorts in manicaland, which is in zimbabwe um and that's been really interesting so far so um I'm just trying to finalize my research question moment um because there's so many things that I could explore with the state, um sorry, do you like jump I just quickly like off of that like what other kind of options were you, guys given, basically does that mean right, no, that's all right um let's see I think if I can share a screen, I can just show you the project list that might help. Um I don't know if three is here, oh there's another share screen button okay, let me find the project allocation list we have such a range. Another one of my first choice is um was to do with like an economic analysis of cost for production of drugs versus um market retail pricing of drugs um and that one was with dr andrew Hill. Um It was one of the more popular ones. I didn't get it but it's fine um I'm really enjoying the price that I'm doing now too so, it's okay, but I will show you guys the projects that were on offer um just so you can see uh okay uh entire screen okay, that was cool, okay, can so you can see that yeah I can see your screen yep ok amazing, so this is the excel file that they gave to us when we were choosing our projects, I got, so you see you have a range here, so some of them are clinical um I guess I should say broadly you have quantitative ones, qualitative ones, clinical ones, um and then some are just slightly different. You also have systematic reviews um sorry about that um and then some of them you can come up with yourself, so you do have the option of coming with your own bsc project You have to decide that basically though in term one so um yeah not very many people um at least not this year go for that option. Because you do have a bit more work to do, I guess um but if you think it's something that you would like to do, then there's an option to, to do that as well, so we had climate change and the food system uh somewhere withdrawn last minute so that's why these are crossed out, but association of heart rate with Covid 19, infection, and severity, uh diet and nutrition in covid 19 um This one is actually led by the um same person that does the lectures for um the conflict in Syria, so this one was actually I think one of the more popular ones um so spatial temporal trends of pediatric presentations in Northeast Syria um Health literacy, education research Real respect, ear's arrange here um lots to choose from, um so the thing with global health is that you can pretty much take any topic and make it global healthy um So this one was mine um it's quite global healthy, but um yeah there are others that you would not think are so relevant to the subject, but if you like take a spin on it um you know these all affect people, so of course, there's going to be a global health aspect that you can explore um to sleep disturbances um in males on the incidence of alzheimer's and dementia um I was quite obscure I guess or abstract um so, yeah let's see if there are any other ones here um Policy analysis of a public procurement system benefits um for health and sustainability in india, um anything else here worth mentioning. Yeah uh apologetic risk score and all cause mortality in South Asians and white europeans. Um again um arrange here sorry, so you can do some genetic analysis um within global health as well, um So there is that just a note about this column here, so project Pool I don't know about the other bs cs, because there are science based and they're based within the school of medicine, but Global health takes place at the saint Mary's campus. It's based within the school of Public Health um. So some of these projects are tailored specifically to the global health bsc, like this one, and they're highlighted blue the ones that are labeled with sph, our School of Public Health projects, for example, mine the monica latin one is a school of Public health project, um which means that for example you get access more access to the rest of the school of Public Health, which I think is quite cool um but also means that you might have let's say a bit more autonomy with your project, so my project supervisors, uh doctor pickles and doctor professor Timothy Hallett um they're quite cool are quite good supervisors, I'm really fortunate to have them um They've only ever worked with master's students, so whilst that can be seen as a disadvantage, I'm actually seeing it as an advantage because they might actually teach me more um and I'm actually gained more from the project um and they give me a lot more independence as for example, like like they trust me to like do my research and ask lots of questions and be proactive, etcetera, etcetera. Um So do bear that in mind when you're picking your projects, although you shouldn't have too much of an issue as you can see most of these projects are SPH projects rather than global health bsc projects, specifically, but just be mindful that you might be a bit more independence than your global health bsc, specific colleagues, our counterparts so yeah, um where are we stop sharing screen there, we go ok, amazing hope that was useful, Yeah did that make sense that all make sense ok, amazing, Thank you so much for turning your your uh so I still see the face, yeah did you have any other questions uh sorry oh I think she's gone okay that's fine um we shall move on then and thank you guys so much for joining so what skills do you think you're gaining from the bsc, um so each of the bs cs, because they're bs cs, so you're not doing bio, and you're not doing management um aim to give you the same like skills of a scientist, so critical thinking and analysis and synthesis of um information, scientific information. Um You learn how to critique a paper specifically, um and yeah you learn to write scientific articles. I guess um you just get more familiar with the research world. Let's say, um the harder skills that you learn um are based within the i. C. A. S. That you do so. In the commentary, you learn about writing a commentary, writing in a professional way writing uh to an academic standard. Within the oral presentation, you learn how to communicate scientific information within the data analysis, you learn how to contextualize um and interpret data and try to tell a story from it produced grass, etcetera, etcetera. Um So each of the skills you gain are pretty much standard across the bs cs because health is one of its bSE, technically um but you kind of learn them as you go. Um I'm pretty sure there are details, learning outcomes that you could uh look up in one of the course manuals um just fine, but yeah I think what you gain even more from this bsc um is the networking um. So again, I mentioned you get access to um lecturers from all over the world that would be more than willing to give you the email and just have a chance to about things um but also like just the other global health students on the course uh and I said are going to do fantastic and amazing things. Um You gain these contacts um that you know can just help you to get further with with whatever global health products you want to do in the future um So I think that's really valuable um as well not just the skills um the skills are really important as well, Obviously, we want to produce good work um and good work that's going to impact future populations for the better um say it, but I think the the softer elements, the networking they're also quite important um let's see how has your oh, and by the way, if I don't answer questions sufficiently. If you want some more detail, please feel free to ask again or a mute as Miranda did earlier that's fine as well um so how has your bsc informed your academic interest, it's really um so before okay, So my list of allocations, I don't know who's joined when, but earlier I was talking about my ranking of bs, cs, management was first um then Global Health really, I'm still really happy I'm doing global health and then I picked cardio actually um so before this whole bsc year started, I was really really really passionate, really interested in cardio and I'm actually still like doing cardio now, I'm working on like extra extra curricular side projects um to do with um cardiology, but since starting this bsc, I've just realized how much there is outside of medicine that actually influences all the work that we do um. And I have to say I'm actually quite interested in in public health um as a specialty now. Um So we had a career session with uh doctor Richard pinder, which I'm sure you're familiar with from el map and I believe he said the training pathway for public health is straight through. I think that that was the term he used um I think it was four years after you do your f one f two that's an option. Um He did also mention the possibility of the Masters of Public Health um and the phd in public health advised when to do those, the Masters of Public Health the MPH um He advised not to do it after fourth year because something about when the MPH ends and then fifth year starts it just like it's difficult to get them to work together, um but he also advised against doing a phd afterwards as well. Um So yeah he more suggested doing that following graduation, but in any case in terms of job prospects and job opportunities. Apparently, most of the people applying for public health consultancy jobs are actually non medics and sorry, non medics not sure if I don't see that that directly, but but yeah they're non medics and therefore having a clinical background might actually be quite useful in your application and might actually increase your chances of success. So yeah I am considering public health now is what I'm saying basically, um but Cardiology still has a very special place in my heart, so we'll see what happens um how intense is the global health bsc um so one thing I really liked actually um about this bsc is the fact that the course leads are really organized like they're really really organized, so if you remember l map and how organized they were in terms of uploading slides, getting recorded material uploaded, um following up on things um answering your questions, um and just yeah scheduling um responding to your needs, um Like you'll remember that they're very very organized. If you do remember that um so it's intense as all the other bs cs are, um but they sort of help you to ensure that you're staying on track. We get regular reminder emails um We have a Whatsapp group chat um and everyone's like really helpful um just like showing resources and reminding people about dates um So it's intense, but I guess it all depends on what you want out of the year. For example, I mean I've heard I have a friend doing endocrinology um and apparently it's really chill um I don't know that that's for certain um because I haven't done endocrinology but global health for example, you might hear is not as chill. It's quite intense um and you might hear that it's hard to do well in, um but all the other bs cs are meant to teach you the same skills and it depends on what you want out of the year. I think Global health is a great bsc for exploring an interest in in the subject um and it's great for networking, making contacts and just open your eyes to everything that's outside of medicine that directly affects directly and indirectly affects all of the work that we do um and it's just so important um so yeah um In terms of an intensity, it is intense, but the other bs cs are intense as well, so yeah, um If there are no more questions, if anyone would like to unmee, it turn the camera on. I'd be more than happy to answer any other questions, but oh you're welcome and e, you're welcome Angela amazing that's good to hear and now it's just me so just for the sake of the recording, I might try to pull up some global health stuff. Um For you guys to see if you're watching the recording back um So let's go for them to and send e, yeah let's see okay, so I'm just going to share my screen uh let's take it a chop, mm okay uh Yeah yes, it's just going to share my screen here, we go and let's go onto whole health, So this is my dashboard um for their phase two bs, see 2022 2023 under modules, we have Global Health module one, module to module three, and the pre bsc research skills course. Um This is a short as it says here, a short 10 hour course um that you can do over over the summer to brush up on your research skills um It's basically a summary of all the things we would have done in phase one A and phase one B, um but it's just like to get everyone on the same page again. Because remember we do have externals joining us so um yeah, there's that um and then module one is where um all of our lectures happen, so in module one, we have um teaching on different topics within global health module to we have our group literature review and then also the science and context assessment or the cgp assessment um and then module three, which is what I'm doing now we have our bsc project, which I showed you guys the product allocations for earlier, So if we just go into module one, um I'm just going to check the ones into the room, no okay um we go to all of these are of course mates um some familiar faces, learning content okay, so this is what we learned um So we have introduction to global health bsc and maternal health bsc um the maternal health lecture this year was received very well um I found it quite interesting so that was really good uh week to introduction to population health, week three, Control of disease, and collaboration in global health and then week four we had our first assessments are first I see a that was our commentary uh week five um inequality, development and health, Week six, Child health and global health politics during uh including tropical diseases, week seven health systems and infectious diseases Week eight. We had our I see a two or the poster presentation, which was on tackling homelessness in the UK, week nine climate change. We've 10 mental health um that was really interesting, really interesting week there uh Week 11 and 12 were dedicated to the 3rd 3rd, I see a sorry because this I say was a lot more involved, it was actually quite heavy um and you get a lot more time dedicated to it, so we just go into one of these um let's go into which was really interesting, see you mhm, have someone joined no um mm okay, let's go into the first one let's see what's here um okay. This is a lot of introductory stuff, but that's all right um so we had sessions on global health actors um So, I won't show you any of the specific content because I'm not sure um we're allowed to but global health actors um They are organizations such as the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation um I guess subsections of governmental organizations so we have the us Treasury, essentially global health actors are um actors um or organizations, groups of people um institutions let's say that have a direct impact on health around the world um So something I found really interesting was how much money is actually um I guess allocated to Hiv and AIDS research. Um We got shown a graph um I'm not sure if I can find it here, but essentially it was showing that most of the funding um or quite a large proportion of of the funding that we get for any sort of global health project um actually goes to Hiv and aids why um there are other infectious diseases out there, um other diseases in general, other noncommunicable diseases that could get funding. Um nope our message check that little or maybe it's real let's see uh huh okay right um It was fine yes HiV and AIDS funding um There are other diseases that could get funding, um but essentially we see that funding is not equally distributed amongst any disease. Uh Never mind an infectious disease, Hiv and aids we've found gets a lot of funding, particularly because of advocacy, so that's what I'm really interested in um policy making an advocacy and data that um produces change in the real world um and affects people positively so um I told you guys that I attended the World AIDS Conference last year um and that was when I particularly realized um it was such an honor to be addressed by dr anthony fauci, who led the u. S. Aid response um back in the seventies. Um That was when I realized just how important advocacy is in getting things funded just getting laws passed um and getting funding for different projects. Um So actually one of the biggest reasons that Hiv and aids gets such a large amount of funding is because the US Treasury is a very big global health actor, the US Treasury um is I guess lead um or directed by the um Secretary of the Treasury and the World Bank, actually which is another cool health doctor um has a seat which is permanent and dedicated to um the US Treasury Secretary um which I found really interesting um And it just shows you how the different political influences um and different political sue's um within a country you can have such widespread impacts all over the world, um so access to HIV medicines in a lot of areas has improved actually quite a lot and I'm actually looking at that in my study with the HIV cohort and medical, and um so we're looking at things like antiretroviral therapies or a r t. Um condom distribution and accessibility amongst populations that really need it, how those are affected by different um and how hiv health seeking behavior is affected by um different economic circumstances, etcetera, etcetera. Um So, I found that quite interesting, let me see if there's anything else I can show you you're still listening to the recording um let's see if there's anyone joining this session okay. I might take that to me that were done, but let's see if there's anything else any content mhm, okay, maybe, I can show you um that was a submission portal uh That's all right um hmm don't see me oh, that's a sufficient portal. Um I was wondering if I could show you like an assessment, um but that's all right this was the lecture by um eugene richardson from Harvard University, um which I found quite interesting. Um As part of our pre reading, oh I forgot to mention so In this course, we do have quite a lot of pre reading, which is quite different to the other courses, but in our pre reading were actually um asked to read a section of his book called in epidemics, illusions, and um it was a really interesting read and I would suggest to you have a stop at radiant um yeah, especially if you want to prepare for this course, um I guess I would say it's on the higher end of the level of papers, but this was quite um a significant part of our course um reading this book and just being lectured by um eugene um so this is very nice um anything else here worth sharing. Um I wish I could go into some of the slides here and just show you some of the content that we do, but I'm not sure if um were allowed to so, in any case what I would do is stop sharing oh and there are people in the room amazing. Um okay is this comparable to l a. Map in any way Global health, so I'm not sure what year you're in is it second year or third year, but the global health um politics and power section of phase one B is a summed up version of what we do in global health um as a bsc. So that's a snapshot um the rest of it like the lifestyle aspects, the life course material is not necessarily covered here unless it's like a specific population aspect, So for example, we looked at things like nutrition transitions, we looked at um food security um and how that affects populations and their ability to progress. For example, um but it's not strictly a map that's all right that makes sense um sorry, this has already been asked, but what does your teaching in global health cover. Um So it hasn't been asked, um but what we cover um how do I put that succinctly um The thing is global health um is so wide ranging um I said earlier it's everything in medicine or or it's everything outside of medicine sorry that directly affects the work that we do and the care that we can provide to our patient's so I guess you can say it's everything um So we what I found particularly interesting was that we cover things like politics, law policies, um economics, finance history, for example, we did quite a bit on colonization and decolonization, um and just looking at how those sorry um can be responsible for the healthcare inequalities, sorry, um or inequities that we see in the world today um and also how that's influencing the work that we can do today and how that's influencing the care that we can provide to our patient's so um yeah so just to successfully answer your question, um sort of kind of everything, um but yes as uh as I guess, I'm sure you know like so things affect people and and the health of people in the healthcare that we can give what's your final project on. um So I spoke about this earlier, so if you do want to watch the recording um again and just get a bit more detail on that. I showed a list of the project allocations that we got this year, so um and I'm pretty sure that I could share that because I think they shared the ones from last year um and I was giving out publicly at the external bsc there so that's why, um but what mine is on, So, I'm doing a bespoke analysis of an hiv cohort in monica monica land, which is in zimbabwe um so, I've essentially been given a data set and um I've got lots of answers to questions, and I have data on um hiv status of individuals and yeah, I'm finalizing my research question at the moment, so, yeah, just reading papers trying to finalize that and seeing what's feasible, what's most interesting um what made you want to choose this bsc um okay. So again more detail um more detailed answer earlier on, so if you do want to watch the recording for that that's fine, um but briefly um I didn't want to be within the School medicine this year. So again, this this bsc year is about what you want to get out of it, so I really wanted to explore something different, get a new set of skills, just learn something different um I didn't want to be lab based. I don't want to be clinic based um So my options were management, I put that one first uh global health that one second, um and then bioengineering I didn't put that one down um at all because I didn't really want to do engineering, but um yeah I chose management for the skill set and global health for the knowledge um that I would gain so I'm really happy I'm still really happy. I thought global health um so yeah and I was actually quite interested in the topics that we cover within global health from the teaching that we got in the map course, so if you remember from phase one, b I'm not sure if your 2nd and 3rd year but phase one, the the power in politics, the Global health, Power, and politics section. That is a brief synopsis of um what we do um looking at policies was um politics and how that affects the health care that we can provide to our patient's so yeah, that's sparked my interest essentially, and if that's the final question, I think I'm going to you're welcome uh I hope I'm saying your name right, but yeah that's the last question. I think I'm going to hop off now and I hope you have a wonderful rest of third year and happy bsc choosing butter phrase yeah. I hope everything goes well, and I hope this was useful, so um yeah you take care guys and do a much back the recording. If you want some more detailed response or anything so um yeah, have a good night.