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Uh and good, good afternoon, every good afternoon, everyone. Um And a very warm welcome to the next webinar in our getting started in Clinical Education Research series. Um So if you've not been to one of these before, these are, are, are set webinars that are put on by the incubator for clinical education research, which is a basically a network of um clinic education researchers who are trying to promote clinical education research amongst our colleagues. Uh and other educators. Um The incubator puts on a a load of different webinars, online courses conferences for different stages. Um And so if you're a a relatively experienced or very experienced uh researcher, then there are other courses conferences that we recommend to you. And if you, if you have a look on the incubator website, which will no doubt come as a link on the chat box at any moment. Now, um then do have a look at those. This series of webinars is very much for called getting started. It's very much for novices um and for beginners. So if you're quite an experienced research, apologies because this may be a little bit too basic, but this is very much for, we're aware, there are lots of clinicians in lots of different fields. You might be in veterinary dentistry, me, nursing, um all sorts of different areas and you may be the only person interested in research in, in your department, in your institution. Um And so this is very much a, a basic series to go through. We are probably two thirds of the way through the academic year now. So two thirds of the way through the course. So we've done, there have been webinars already on writing research questions, how to choose a topic, how to do quantitative and qualitative research and analysis and do have a look. Again, there'll be a website, uh There's a website and we'll put a link up on the chat box for the previous talks. Uh And you can go back and listen to those and then there's still a couple more coming on about disseminating your work and planning your career in the coming months. Um So that's what we're here for. Um The format of the next hour will be um a presentation for about half of the time. Then there'll be a chance if you can stay to get into um small groups for some small group discussion, particularly if you've got an idea that you're working on and want some answers or discussions on, that would be a great time to do that. Uh And then there'll be AQ and a time at the end um, so just w, uh, with some of the practicalities, there is a chat box and in a minute we'll probably ask you to, um, introduce yourself via the chat box. Er, and do use the chat box as we go through. If there are questions, do put them again in the chat box, we may deal with them during the talks or we may come back to them in the queue and a session. Uh I should have introduced myself right in the beginning. Um My name is Hugh, uh Hugh Albert. I always forget I'm a half time GP and half time Professor of General Practice Education uh at Newcastle University. Um And in a minute, I will ask my co presenter, Professor Webb to um introduce herself when she starts the talk. I think that's all my opening blurb, but just to say again, welcome to you all. Um And I'll now pass over to Professor Webb to introduce herself and to start the presentation. Thank you, Hugh. Uh My name is Katie. Um I'm a professor of medical education here at the School of Medicine Cardiff University. I've been working in the area of um health related research for probably about the last 20 years. Uh My background, I'm a, I'm a psychologist by background and I've worked um across various academic schools um looking at the education and training of, of doctors and allied health professionals. Um thinking about performance, mental health, decision making and all of those sorts of things. Um I teach undergrad and post grad and I do um an awful lot of national and international evaluations of aspects of education and training. And so work with regulatory bodies, policy makers and all different funders. So I'm really excited to be invited back to, to do this dual talk with um uh with you. And we're hoping that this will really inspire you to think about the practicalities and getting started in public and patient involvement. Um So let's go through. So as Hugh had outlined, we're going to be talking a little bit about public and patient involvement. Um Thinking about the, the thoughts of these, thinking about funding. Um having having you consider some of those some of the ethical uh propositions around um research, other practicalities um and thinking about small group discussions of some of your ideas and a bit of like a troubleshoot, really anything to, to think you um that you might think of um linking up with other bodies and, and things like that. So no questions or silly questions. Um and the medical education community, as many of you will know or some of you coming into it are super friendly and supportive. So um please use the chat uh box on the side. Thank you, Adele. Um for kicking that off to introduce yourself. This is really um useful for us to know um who's on the call today. Um And, and what you'd like us to cover. So this is the first of our chat box interactions as it as it were. So PPI what is it? Um Please use the chat function to share some ideas of your understanding what you think um public and patient involvement is or some of the aspects that, that, that may be related to it. Many suggestions that OK, maybe something to mull over and, and um that you can uh user chat function to, to present some ideas more as we we're going through. So this is the kind of broad definition of, of what public and patient involvement is. So the involvement aspect of where members of the public are actively involved in the design and conduct of research. So for example, as co applicants, members of the advisory board maybe and some of you probably recognize it and think, oh actually, it's being done to a degree anyway. Um and hadn't realized that that that's what it was about. So it's integrating the public and the community engagement within your work. So thinking about those civic responsibilities that we have and, and how do we actualize that the patient and public involvement PPI in research aspect is where the research is being carried out with or by members of the public, not just to or for them rather, it's about involving them in the research. And this is important both for our moral um standings really and pragmatic reasons really understanding um the why about what we're doing and we, we talk a little bit more about that as well. So the understanding that, that we're moving away from this idea that that people are having work done to them. So, um you know, research and, and um explorations um studies and, and looking at evaluating health um related initiatives and those sorts of things are done um with the best will, they're there to think about health improvements and how can we do things better? But largely it's kind of, it's been um sort of previously around people parachuting in and thinking what is going to be best for, say, a community or for an area of work, what could be done? So it's been done too. And so why might you think that the, the aspect of, of really driving the integration then of more patient and public involvement? Why might you want to include that within a project? Can you think of some ideas about why it might be important to or why it might be beneficial to incorporate these kinds of perspectives into a project? So for some reasons there might be um thinking about and we talk a bit about communication um further down the line. So thank you, Adele. You've talked about patients having lived experiences. Exactly right. It presents an understanding to a different level. Um