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This on-demand teaching session is tailored for medical professionals who are interested in orthopedics. It offers valuable advice on getting exposure to the field, establishing relationships with residents and attendings, participating in research, and gaining letters of recommendation. The presenter will discuss the details of orthopedic rotation and research along with their personal tips to achieve success in the field. Through participating in this session, medical professionals will gain the insight and knowledge necessary to make an informed decision regarding orthopedics.

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The second part of Dr. Joseph King's lecture on getting involved in Orthopaedic Surgery at UF!

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Learning Objectives

  1. Identify various ways to gain exposure to orthopedics in medical school.
  2. Develop strategies for forming professional relationships with orthopedic surgeons.
  3. Explain how to undertake research for orthopedics in a productive and meaningful way.
  4. Discuss the benefits of being humble and presenting oneself professionally in the hospital setting.
  5. Analyze considerations when choosing a research topic with the goal of publication.
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You wanna do orthopedics or not? Um, grand rounds that we do usually about once a month or so are good to go to and resident lectures as well on Thursday and Friday or Friday mornings. If you ever can get off early or are willing to wake up early and go to those. It's always helpful to kind of understand orthopedics in that regard for uh other things you can do for exposure, getting or doing shadowing in the operating room or the clinics. Um I think that's, that's those are really helpful at TI and to get under to understand the patients that we see how we interact with patients and also understand what we do. Um Even in the clinic setting, you can see kind of what the results of surgeries, which is sometimes as, as gratifying, if not more gratifying than the actual surgeries themselves. And you can also shadow our Ortho residents. I'm sure they mentioned that to you or our trauma team. Um Now with the uh expansion of more trauma rooms because we've lost some of our elective um, joints partners. Uh They have more, they're more need for help in the or So if you wanna get in the, or um you can go to the Ortho Hut and uh they, the residents can help you with that, help them out or even help the on call uh or the daytime resident, see consults in the er, and deal with all the stuff they deal with, which they can always use an extra hand there. It's a little harder this time of year cause we have a lot of students on fourth year rotations but come November. So that's when you know, students get thin. Um So you're always uh ha welcome to come at that point. The other thing I recommend is talking to others, talk to other medical students, especially ones that rotated. Um and orthopedics, talk to residents, talk to attendings. Um People are always willing to tell you their experiences what they like, what they don't like. Um And you're gonna get a lot of opinions when you do that. So don't necessarily take everyone's opinion like it's truth, it's like don't read everything or don't trust everything you read on the internet, same type of thing. But um talking to others I think is helpful and all this stuff is gonna help you figure out if you wanna, if you would enjoy orthopedics and wanna do it for the rest of your life. Um The next thing I was mention I was mentioning uh was uh what to do in medical school. So the first thing is what I just said, get exposure to orthopedics. Um, uh, and with this you wanna get to know people, um, getting to know the orthopedic residents and attendings is very helpful. Um, this is gonna help you, uh, build good relationships, get good letters when it comes, uh, forth year, um, helping, helping understand if that's what you wanna do, right. Um, the more you get to know them, the more you kind of see what their life is like. Um You can do this by shadowing by going to lectures by talking to each other. We talked about um helping the trauma team and the on-call residents. Um You get to know them real well that way. Um And then also doing research here, which I'll talk about for a few minutes. Um That's also a good way to get to know someone pretty closely cause you, you have to get to work together and you gotta remember that there's all, there's always personalities, right? Any field, there's personalities and we're all a little different. Um You know, some people get along great with everyone. Some people don't, so don't get frustrated if someone you're trying to get along with, you're not getting along with them doesn't mean that, you know, you're not a fit for orthopedics, just mean you're not a fit with that person. And uh you know, I've got my own partners here that some people get along with and some people don't. So that's not a huge deal. It's just, uh, that's, that's true in every specialty, right? Um, and surgeons especially sometimes you don't get along with them in the, or cause they're, they're very, uh, type a in the, or, and then after the, or r it's a whole different story. So, um, and that's not just orthopedics, that's everyone. So just remember that. Um, as far as research goes, I think, I know, I heard you guys talking about that. I, I agree. It's not, it's not uh like you have to publish 50 papers, right? But um it having one or two papers that you spend a lot of time on um is gonna set you apart from a lot of people, especially with step one going past fail. Um If you can talk well about the research, if you're like the primary author or secondary author. Uh and, and know a lot about it. Um That's really helpful. You also in that process, get to know the attendings on that project. So what I, when I, when you're, when you're trying to decide on research, um you wanna reach out to attendings that, that you're interested in or interested to get to know and see if they have projects, not everyone's gonna have projects, but it's worth trying and to kinda take their advice if they say, you know, I talk to this person, I would try to talk to that person to see what they have for you. Um you wanna do something that you think you'd be interested in. It's not worth your time. If you're not interested in it, you won't enjoy it. And that makes it harder to do. So, try to find someone that has, you have interest in. It doesn't have to be in orthopedics, but it does help. Um, you can do research if you know someone in another department real well, it's worth, you know, doing that kind of research and getting involved with them if you know, you can get something out of it. Um The other thing I recommend is don't, you don't wanna over commit to research, so don't tell five attendings, you can do their really hard projects and then kind of do one real well and four not really well. Right? Cause then those that the other attendees are gonna know that you're, you know, you weren't really following through with the one projects even they had good intentions in the beginning. Um The other thing is to be honest, I've had several that have wanted to do research, they've committed to it and then, you know, a month or two and they're like, listen, Doctor King, I just don't have time right now, I'm doing this other research project with someone else. I, I gotta do that and that's fine. I, you know, I don't mind that. I think I'd rather know that than try to keep asking you email once a month about what's going on. So um you just don't wanna over comm when you do do it. Um I think uh Ryan was saying that, you know, do it as, as hard as fast and as well as you can, right? And you're not gonna do it perfect. There's gonna be mistakes and that's OK. Um Don't, don't be afraid to reach out to your mentor to if you think there's a problem with it or, you know, question the earlier you ask the questions the better it's gonna be. You don't wanna do the whole project and have 50 questions and have to redo everything. So um but you also, you don't wanna be the weakest, like you wanna be the one working hard on it. Um Let the attending be the weakest like or, or the resident who's busy. Um You wanna be on top of it. The other thing is uh it doesn't cha it hurt to include others on, on um projects for two reasons. One, it helps other students, right? It also might or three reasons. It also might help your workload if more than one person is doing it. And then the third reason is, well, you know, you're gonna be applying to a bunch of programs and you know, if you put, you know, if, if there were four surgeons doing surgeries on uh say you were say you were doing research on one type of surgeon, 44 people here uh were doing that surgery and they were all included patients. We should include all four of the surgeons cause you might interview somewhere where, you know, they know Kevin farmer and he's well known in the southeast. So it's good to have his name on the paper. They'll probably talk to you about that paper actually. Um, if, uh, if they care about research at all, they'll see that farmer did it and then they, they know him, they'll ask you about it. So it doesn't hurt to include other people, especially if they contributed to the research and uh and, or included patients as far as the attendings go. Um And then you also wanna consider, consider the chance of publication doing research is good, but we also wanna kind of consider what's our goals where we're gonna publish this? Is it publishable? And we're not doing the same thing someone else did. At least not exactly the same thing. Um That's all I'm gonna say about research today. Um Doctor Ho Else is gonna talk to you about it as well. But uh those are kind of my advice for the research for research uh when you're, when you're doing it. And again, I don't think it's critical to have 15 publications, but having one or two good ones is gonna set you apart from a lot of people. Um And I, I agree with Ryan more important to work hard on your rotations and do that stuff, but kind of having this under your belt is gonna make you um that much more um you know, wanted other places. Um even if you didn't rotate there. Um And again, it also gets you, you know, some good letters of recommendation and people can get to know you real well, which is also helpful. And then the last thing I was gonna say is just uh uh be humble uh and everything you do as a student, it's, it's good to, to be humble. Um Don't, you know, ask questions when you think it's appropriate. But you know, if someone's struggling with, you know, something's going really bad. You don't, it's not a good time to speak up and give your s and you know, ask a, a question that's pretty simple or something like that. You wanna be kind of on the background but, but involved as, as much as you can. So sorry for the thing. That's all I got. Um I apologize. Technology hates me. I, I hate it. So, thanks Doctor Chang. Thanks for working through all the, all the technical difficulties with us. Um Yeah, for those, I sent out the slides for those who are following along. I think my favorite part of the Ven diagram is the hammer part. You like that? Yeah, I love that Ven diagram. My favorite. I'm always down, say the last time is good.