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Hi, everyone. I'll just make a start now. So um hope all of you can hear me if you can't. Please comment on below letting me know. So my name is Anna. I'm one of the F one doctors working in um Royal Stock at the moment. So I'm one of the doctors officer this year for HK MSU K as well. So welcome all to our foundation program introduction. So today we're just going through quickly about um what foundation program is about how, what's the application progress is and also personal experience from different guest speaker to about their foundation trading at the moment. So just to start with um so if you're not a member yet, please join HP MSU K now with the QR code. So there are various advantages. So as mentioned on the on the slides, so if you're interested, please join us. Ok. And then just bear with me one second. Ok. So, so the outline for today is mainly we'll talk about the background about foundation program and also we'll talk about the timelines of application. After that, we will talk about the personal experience from our guests because as mentioned before then we will have a session for specialized foundation program if any of you are interested. And finally, we will have our Q and A section which you feel free to pop in the chat or at any time. So we can sort of so um answer your questions as soon as we can. Yeah. So as mentioned before, my name is Anna. I'm working in um U Chen at the moment in stock on trend, we will have our guest speaker, Doctor SARS Chen and Doctor Hannah. So doctor Rachel Wu, Doctor Ronald Nam Nam and Doctor Michelle Chen later as well. So with our foundation program, basically, it's a two-year working program, it's like a work based training. So what they are trying to do is to bridge the gap between a medical student and into a specialty or like future GP practice training. So it's just a program that to make sure all of the foundation doctors undergo a very well balanced program. So basically trying to train them to meet the competencies. And also um that was required by the GMC which is outlined in the foundation program curriculum. So once you've done your FF one program, you have a certificate which is known as like a foundation year one certificate of completion. So you can also submit um to the GMC for the E by as an effluent doctor, you can submit to the GMC for a grant to grant for full registration as well. So after that, then you proceed to F two. And once you've done with your F two as well, you basically have uh a certificate called foundation program certificate of completion, which means you can start going into your specialty trainings or if you consider doing another foundation year. So it basically is just saying that you've done your foundation training. So within the foundation program, there's four different things that we can talk about. So the first one is the gen Generic General Foundation program. The second one is specialized foundation program, which we will mention later. So third one is uh what we call a foundation priority program. And the fourth one we called pre allocation. So now we're just talking about what's the differences in between. So for pre foundation allocation, it's for people who you need to be allocated to a particular foundation school because of personal circumstances. For example, if you have any um caring responsibilities, if you have any health reasons or any ongoing educational supports, or if any one of if any of your circumstancess meet one of the national criteria, you can also apply for pre allocation. So it means you apply to a particular foundation school in the main application form on the oral. So um with this, obviously, you need the supporting efforts to be submitted at the same time as well. So um I think there are quite a few on the website that you can uh take a look at, for example, like if you've a parent, uh parental responsibility, if you have kids, so you wanna stay in a particular location, as mentioned before. If you are a carer, you've got a responsibility to taking care of someone else, these sort of um reasons and you can submit a document and let the um oral and the foundation program team know as well. So for the next one, it's foundation priority program, What I meant by that is some of the foundation schools, they have some programs and they are basically located in a very part of because of the geographical location or some for some other reasons, they are difficult to get it. Um How can I say sorry, some of the places are difficult to field and due to the geographic locations or because the specialty is less popular. So they will try to give you some incentive. It could be, they could enroll you into a leadership program or they've given you more trainings or even sometimes financial subsidies to sort of attract people as an incentive to work in the location. So with these, then you can have um you are basically picking a specific location rather than the foundation school. So um but I personally didn't go through the foundation party program. So this is what I've heard from other people and looking on the website. So if you're interested, you can have a uh you can have more details on the website itself. Um So going on to next, we have got 18 different foundation schools. So varies in between, like like varies na like across the whole England. So um that's basically all the 18 schools that we've got on the page at the moment. And here are the links and the foundation program. Um We can see we can hand out the slides later. I'm not quite sure at the moment, but you can also click on to the link to find out more about the individual foundation school context. If you're interested in particular one or you can have a, they have a PDF uh document that you can have a look as well. So in a nutshell, so all eligible applicants will be allocated to a place that was what they're hoping they're aiming to try to do. It's based on what we call preference informed allocation. So this is like designed to give as many applicants their first choice preference as possible. Um So all applicants will be given a computer generated rank which you won't know your, what your rank is and they will allocate you to uh then you will start ranking your preferences and based on the number that you get you basic, you go sorry, based on the number that you get, then you, they will allocate you to the um the ranking that you have arranged earlier on um the allocation algorithm on the or will work through the list of applicants in the computer generated bank orders. So in your final years, basically, so you're nominated to apply by your medical school. So you don't have to do all of the application. You don't have to do all the registration. They should have the your school should have nominated you already. So by the time when it comes to September, your fi your medical school would let you know when it's the time to start register yourself on the oral system. So make sure you do register within the period because it can cause you a lot of trouble and a lot of hassle if you don't. So once you've registered on the system, they would open, they will start having a national sort of na national window period where you can start ranking and start typing in all your um personal information on it. And then sort of by the end of the time that time period, then you have to make sure you've done all of this and then they will start moving on to generating the um random numbers for you and then you can start ranking it. And um so OK, so let's move on to the next. So yeah, just make sure you are registered on Aureol and all the appli just to confirm your nomination complete and submit your application form on the oral by the national deadline. So this is the timeline, national timeline. So on the 17th of September, the registration will open. So you should nominate by your med school at the moment. So what you have to do on the 17th of September, so you have to go on to the AO website oral application system and put all your information details in. So this is where the registration is. So then it will fall into from the 25th of September to the ninth of octo. This is the period where you can start sort of putting your preference for foundation school. For example, if I'm hoping to go to London or Birmingham or anywhere, so you have to pick a big diary, for example, London is basically its own diary. And then like for example, Birmingham, it it kind of falls into West Midland. So you have to basically pick the diary that you want to go and make sure you do your choices by the end, by the end of midday of ninth of October as well. And if you, as mentioned before, if you have any prelocation, which is basically based on your past, like any personal circumstances, you have to also submit it it on the oral system between this period as well. So after the foundation, after the window is closed, um pre allocation application outcomes will be released on the 28th of November 1st and then it will fall and then it will go into the majority Foundation program. Um So we've mentioned before, we've got the foundation priority, which is if some geographical locations, they have difficulty to fill people in. This is the, this is the deadline for them to. So if you are hoping to apply via the F PP, then this is the deadline for you to preference them. And or if you choose to withdraw from the F PP program as well though. And so then for the foundation priority one, you have four different rounds. So basically they have four rounds of offers giving out. So if you are interested to pick up the offer, then you can read uh you can respond to the offer within 48 hours. I think. So, outside 48 hours, I think you will move into the second round or like you probably with, I uh probably withdraw from it. But you need to look at the um foundation program website itself cos um I'm not, I have as mentioned before. I haven't been through the foundation priority program. So uh my knowledge or my advice at this moment would not be the most accurate. So then going back to the major foundation program. So the deadline you need to know is this 12th of February. So this is the deadline for applicants to rank and amend any foundation preference. So you should have received which gene that you are going to be in. And at at this moment, you have to rank hos based on your hospital and based on your jobs. So make sure you do rank the hospital and jobs by the 12th of February. And in March time they haven't, they haven't mentioned a date yet, but by, by March you should be allocated to a foundation school at that moment. So after that, you've got your, after you've sort of sorted everything out with your foundation school, you will have your shadowing week and induction week by the end of July. Um, generally, it lies, generally, it lies on the last Wednesday of July, but it sometimes varies from school to school. Um And your F one like your proper start of F one should start on the first of Wednes, the first Wednesday of August. So as mentioned before, preference informed allocation. So basically, as mentioned before, every eligible foundation uh program applicant will be given with a computer generated rank by the Oreo system. And so you wouldn't know what the rank is and no one else would until every allocation has been sorted and everyone has been matched to a place. Um Except this is not applying to the um those who have accepted S FP and the F PP office. So these randomly generated ranking would not be influenced by anything. It's just a randomly generated. So it wouldn't be influenced by your performance or any or any extracurriculars that you've done um as mentioned before. So, um so first they have two round basically. So the first pass is you will be um allocated to your foundation school according to what you've put on the ranking. Um, if you unfortunately haven't been allocated to one of your rankings, so you've got 18 of, of them. If you unfortunately haven't been allocated to any of them, then you will be allocate allocated as a, um, placed applicants, which you would info you'll be, we'll talk about this later in our session as well, which you would be informed by the oral system that they would sort of. Um I think one of the speaker would mention it later. Um I personally don't know much about the um unplaced applicant at the moment as well. Um So what I've gathered the idea is if you are in place at that moment, they would sort of try to lo try to locate it for uh allocate it for you again, but you won't receive anything until May please correct me if, if um please correct me later, if there's anything that I've mi given as a misinformation. Um So I can also talk about what we call a link application as well. So a link application is um so you can basically link to like you link two people up for your applica for applying for a foundation program. So an applicant can only link to one other applicant. So then because of you, one of you would both of you would have a random um generated ran uh sorry, random generated number. The one with the lower ranking applicants. I mean, the applicants with the lower ranking will be used to allocate both linked applicants to a foundation school. So for example, you and your friend have linked together, you've got like um 100 out of how many people and your friend probably got like 1000 out of how many people. So obviously, you're in a higher rank. But because you guys have linked together y your ranking allocation will be based on your friend, which is a lower rank one if that makes sense. So you can also the link can also be broken if one of you have been offered for a priority uh foundation priority program. So if you accept the offer from F PP, then your link will be broken or if you have been approved uh because of the pre allocation, then you, you won't be going into the preferred um dry together as well. And um basically, you don't, this rank would be very uh you can't, after you've been in the same diary, you can't link the link basically doesn't apply to going to the same hospital as well. So you might still a you might still end up working in a different hospital but in the same dry. Um that's pretty much about the L cage as well. If you've got any more questions, just let me know later. So um after choosing, as mentioned before, after choosing which dinner you wanna work to, you have to choose which hospital, which specialties to work in. Um, they have got a really long list of programs. So I think for my year they've got like at least few 100s or more of different specialties that you can work in. So you make sure you have to make sure you have to go through all of them and find out where you wanna work and which specialty you want to work for some foundation school. They have to like some school. They offer two year program with F one for in F one and F two in different places. For example, in my diary, we can have F one doctors working in Stoke and the other F two years, they will be working in somewhere in West Midland. So you make, you have to make sure that look at the diary where they are placing you in for F one and F two as well. Um I think for a lot of people, they actually make an Excel sheet out. So which is I'll come back to this pla uh page later. So a lot of people actually make a Excel sheet sort of um lying out how many different jobs are available in the di in the hospital that they are going to apply to or in the diary. So they can rank according to either the hospital, if you have a really strong preference hospital that you wanna go to, then go for all the ho like hospital jobs in that um all the specialty jobs in that hospital. But if you are basically going for a specialty, then make sure you look out for the specialty you wanna do and then rank the hospital accordingly. So I think I personally think this is quite useful in terms of knowing what jobs are available in which area. So moving back to the previous page, this is basically just a statistic um diagram that I've found on the um foundation program website. So it's just basically telling you how many position or how many places they are offering in each diary. And with how many people are putting that diary as a first choice. As you can tell, London is a very po nor normally London is a very popular one. As you can see, it's like 1000 and 80 places available for London, but there are and ending up, there are two 1006 100 ish people applying for it. So it's basically quite a like it's quite competitive. But on the other hand, um for example, like just saying, for example, West mid West Midland, North where I am basically placed in, there's only 400 like 429 spaces, but like 121 169 people applying for it. So the competition is not, is not competitive, so you can get where you wanna go to or what you wanna do in that diary more easily. So I think it's I do think it's beneficial to have a look and check out what the compeer competition ratio is before you apply and make sure you sort of do it strate uh with a stra uh strategic as well. Um So also I think there are some websites, for example, like Medi Body, they have um information about the GMC satis satisfaction rating. Basically, it's people from previous years, they have talked about um how their feelings are about the diary or the trust. So it's a good website that you can refer to when you are struggling to pick which dry or which hospital you want to go to. So, next, moving on. So we would have some guest speaker talking about their personal experience in their own dry and I'll just move on to the next slide. So with CIS. Hello. Hello? Can you hear me? Yeah. Hi, Anna. It's my all right. Hello, if you want to. Um, I think you can unmute yourself on. Um, is it going to now? Sorry whenever you're ready? Sorry. Oh, ok. No worries. Yeah. Hi. So I'm Cyrus, I'm one of the doctors working as an F one in northern Ireland. So I'm currently working in Royal Victoria Hospital, which is the tertiary center in northern Ireland. So it's the biggest hospital that has around 1000 beds. So has pretty much all the services that any tertiary center would have. Um, next side. Yeah. So just to break it down I'll put an arrow where another island is because I personally wasn't 100% sure where it was after I got it because obviously it wasn't my first choice as well. So, um, the sort of darker colored looking map, um, in the lower right corner is sort of just a map of northern Ireland. So just the whole island there. So you see on the right side around the right middle purple area. So that's Belfast. So that's where most of the um sort of, um, that's where the capital of sort of northern island is and where most of the stuff is. And outside of that, most of the other sort of trusts are sort of smaller cities and some are even in sort of in sort of villages and kind of in the middle of nowhere. But um, so the way that the program is structured is that usually most programs are one year in Belfast and when you're out of Belfast and it just depends whether that's F one or F two and there are also maybe a third of the jobs that have none in Belfast or Southeastern Trust, which is the other trust that's really close to Belfast. Um Next side. So, yeah, just to show you what um, generic sort of um program breakdown would look like. So my rank in the P I system was very low. Um It was quite unfortunate but um it is what it is. So, um, I got quite good rotations actually in my first year. So I'm in the tertiary center. So I'm currently on respiratory medicine. I don't know what I am for the next rotation, but it's somewhere in internal medicine. And then I'm on orthopedics, which, which is the one that says general surgery. Um, but, um, it is also quite tricky because in my after year I have to move around quite a bit. So, as you can see, I'm in sort of like the Southern Trust for four months and then I'm in the Western Trust for four months and then I'm in GP again. So, um, things like this can happen. Um, and it's also very difficult if you don't drive. Uh, so personally I'm not really planning on to doing. I have to because I'm probably gonna go back to Hong Kong. So for me, um, it works out quite well but, um, it's just something to be aware of, uh, next slide. So, yeah, so just addressing some advantages and disadvantages, I'm aware no one's actively going to pick Northern Ireland unless people are from Northern Ireland or, you know, you have some degree of connection here as far as I know, pretty much every one of us who's not from the local university or not, a local person here didn't actually choose to be here. But if anything, I think everyone's quite enjoying their job, I wouldn't worry too much if you were sent to Northern Ireland. Um, but I appreciate it's probably not what you would want um at the end of the day, but in terms of advantages, um it's quite cheap to live compared to I, I'd say it's similar to most sort of secondary cities in the UK. So like something along the lines of like Newcastle or Sheffield, that type of city is roughly what the cost of living is. Um I've been told previously that we have higher pay, it's on a different junior doctor contract. So the way the pay works is completely different to England. But um because it's still, we uh we're still quite unsure actually what the pay works out to, which is quite strange because we've been working for more than a month and we still don't really know our pay. So there's also that, but um in terms of staffing levels, so I'm in the tertiary center. So we're very, very well staffed. So today on one ward, I had, I was the one F one and then there were four sh os uh for, you know, 20 ish, 30 patients. So it's actually very manageable. The city itself is also really good. Um They have like operas, theater, you know, sports facilities. Um and in terms of, you know, being at work, everyone's very friendly. I know people say this a lot. I think it really, really depends on just your ward. So I think even two people working in the same hospital can have drastically different experiences. Um, but in terms of sort of just traveling as well, it's very, I think it's a very well connected place, even though it's very annoying to go back to England having to take plane. But ultimately, I think compared to some, you know, more rural places in England, it, I would say, still say that it's quite well connected, um, going on to disadvantages, um, as you know, you need to take a plane to go back to England. So that's for one. most of the hospitals other than maybe three or 41 of them being the one I work in, you pretty much can only get there by driving. Otherwise it'd be very annoying and you'd have to live in hospital calm and yeah, the big, the biggest disadvantage I'd say compared to some other trust is that you would definitely have to move. I mean, barring very few programs where you can stay in Belfast for two years, you will usually have to move, um, between, between trusts. Um, yeah, and that's all I have in terms of Northern Ireland, happy to take any questions as well. Um And just taking one question from the chat that I've just seen, um, competition ratios is a statistic based on last year's preference. So, um, it is competitive because people want to go there. So it's just um, a reflection of how many people want to go there. Like no, no no one's actively making the place competitive. It's just like a lot of people want to go to London. That's why it's competitive. Um Yeah, that's all I have. Thank you. Thank you, Cyrus. So, yes. Um, thank you for your information about Northern Ireland. So next we'll have, um, Rachel. So, um, hi, Rachel. So let me know whenever you're ready. Yeah, hi, everyone. Hope everyone to hear me. Um, my name is Rachel. I came from Newcastle University. Um and currently I'm in Royal Derby Hospital. So that's Trent Foundation School. Hi side, please. So in terms of turn foundation school, it's mostly based around the Derbyshire, North Nottinghamshire and majority of Lincolnshire. So the big cities are Nottingham Derby and Lincoln and then you've got smaller towns around. Most places are commutable from Nottingham, which a vast majority of people are living in currently and traveling from. But places like Lincoln and Boston, they're a bit further away. So people will tend to stand stay in Lincoln or in Boston during the year of their time when they are. Um they are based there in um in Tran Foundation School, you usually have one year whether it's F one or F two where you're spending your time in the tertiary hospital. And then the second year in the district general hospitals, the DG HS don't are necessarily based in the large cities themselves. So sometimes you might be based in smaller hospitals that are a bit further away. So like Ireland, it's best that you know how to drive because um most places are commutable, follow by public transport, but they're very, very annoying and it's more convenient for you to drive to those places rather than waiting for buses. But overall com like commuting to and from this Trent area is pretty well established just because it's a central hub of the UK. So you can pretty much travel from anywhere around the country from Nottingham. And so because of that, I think 12 week transport are quite well established. I think in Derby alone, there's like buses every 10 minutes going from one place to another. So it's pretty good in terms of that like please. So I'm just gonna talk about in general what the different hospitals are like. So because in Trent, you go based on the different locations of Nottinghamshire, Derbyshire and Lincolnshire. So in Nottinghamshire, the tertiary hospital is Q NC Queen Mary um center and that is in city center of Nottingham. Nottingham City is considered ad GH it's also based in Nottingham City Center. So those two, if you get those on both, then you had the jackpot because very commutable and then other places that some, some people tend to be in for Nottinghamshire are Grantham which is more surgical specially based and then there's Kings Mill which is a bit further away. I'm not entirely sure where it is again, but all of these are commutable from Nottingham. So starting from Q and ci guess it's a tertiary hospital. So most of the complex say cases go there and this also takes place in terms of the area of Trent of the most complex cases go to Q and C even if they were previously at a tertiary hospital, if that makes any sense. Um And because it's highly specialized, you get lots of experience in terms of meeting different types of cases and different types of patients. But because it is highly specialized and because it's so busy, you might not get as much support in comparison to the DG HS, which you probably would experience in any tertiary hospital anyways. And the greatest thing about Q MC is that it is it based, I'm not too sure about the other hospitals, but I do know that Q MC is it based? Not city is less specialized, but because it's so busy, you might also get less support. Again, Grantham and Kingsmill, I can't really say much, I'm not too sure about them, but all I know is Grantham, if you get Grantham, you're most likely gonna have uh 2 to 3 surgical specialty. Um What's it called, like jobs rather than just the one like most people have per year. And then going to Der Derbyshire, that's where I'm based right now. Um I'm currently in Royal Derby Hospital which is the tertiary hospital of Derbyshire. It's, it's a tertiary hospital. But because most ca complex cases still go to Q MC. You get less of those highly specialized patients, but you still get to see a lot of different types of patients in RD, um, in Royal Derby anyways. So that's great. But the bad thing about RR DH is that it's, it's paper based, uh, it's paper based with it, prescriptions. So if you're really used to it system, then that's not so great. Queens Hospital is based in Britain. It is uh mostly it based and from what I can hear it is it, they have very good support, they have very great seniors there. So if you go there, you will get, get teaching Chesterfield is the other place that most people go to in terms of DG HS. Um but I don't really know much about that place and last but not least it's Lincolnshire. Uh So Lincoln County Hospital is, I think it is a tertiary hospital, but I'm not too sure about that. Um From what I can hear is that because it's a bit further away, it's a quiet town. You get lots of educational opportunities there because you get more senior support from what I can hear. And then the other place is um sorry, Pilgrim Hospital is not Britain, it's Boston, my bad. Um It's a good hospital but because of the city itself, um you might not experience such a great uh social life if you are based in Burton, but I've heard that all the EF ones are very friendly and people, all the EF ones tend to be very sociable with each other if you're based in Burton and in terms of support, I've heard mixed reviews. Some say it's quite good. Some say it's not so good. So take it with a pinch of salt. Basically all of these places except for Lincoln, they're all commutable from Nottingham, like I said. So, um, but when I say commutable from Nottingham, I mainly mean uh driving because if you take a bus to Derby you, it's possible but it will take an hour to come to Derby next side, please. So, um I was one of the placeholders based in Trent Foundation School this year alone. I think there are over 100 placeholder spaces within Trench Foundation School alone. I think most of the placeholder spaces go to Q MC or D or Royal Derby just because of the big tertiary hospitals. Um And because we, because these are placeholder spaces, we got told our jobs quite late. We were originally told that our job applications would come out in May, but it ended up being delayed to go on into June. And even in June, all I knew about was that I was going to get a job in Roll Derby Hospital, but I wasn't sure what exactly jobs was at that point. So it took a little bit, I think the next 1 to 2 weeks later that they told us to rank between all of the placeholder jobs that they have allocated within Royal Derby Hospital. And then once I finished ranking that the next day I received my job offer of currently, I'm on urology, followed by pediatrics and uh respiratory medicine. Um Each deaneries receive their jobs at different times. So I'm just saying this purely based on my experience in Royal Derby Hospital from what I can hear, I think Q MC got their job allocations much sooner than I did. And they didn't need to go through the separate ranking system of going through the job allocations. So, so going through rankings of different jobs of the placeholder jobs again. So I think everyone just does things differently in Trent. Um They only released our F one job allocations at the moment. We're still waiting for our F two job allocations. Um That's just based on trend alone. And so I think currently, what I've heard is that they're trying to keep people based in where they're currently locate it. So, um from what I can hear, it's that because now I'm based in Derbyshire, they're most likely gonna send me to a job at a hospital that is also based in Derbyshire, but that's not guaranteed at the moment. All of this kind of depends on how NHS England wants to allocate their spaces in terms of out of hour shift. There was a lot of um discrepancies about that just because different hospital has different funding. And so based on the funding, they will give you different out of hour shifts and that happens the same within the hospital as well. So I'm currently on urology. So it's General Surgery and enroll Derby Hospital General. I think there's not so much funding. So I don't have any out of hour shifts. But my colleague who's in respiratory medicine currently, they have funding and so he gets the same amount of out of hour shifts as everyone else. Um Every other F one on respiratory medicine. So it all just depends on the, the department itself as well. I think that's end of me. Let me know if you have any questions. I think we're OK. So far we'll come back to the question like Q and A session um by the end of the experi like sharing personal experiences. So, next, we've got Michelle. Hi. Can you hear me? Yeah, great. Thank you. So, hi, I'm Michelle. Um I'm an academic S FP at Saint Thomas Hospital this year. So I'm gonna talk to you about um London Deanery. Um I graduated from UCL um a few months ago. Um Apologies for the very lopsided photo. This is um a photo I took on the ward that I'm working on on my first day as an F one. It's a really nice view the London Eye. So next, like please. Thank you. Um So at the bottom um are my rotations um, for these two years. So, um, right now I'm on geriatrics and then I move on to surgery and then acute internal med. Um, in F two, I have my, um, academic like lab based block first and then emergency anesthetics basically. And then Jerry's again. Um, so for both years, I'm based at Saint Thomas. Um, and this was the reason that this was kind of my, my first choice job because, um, I can't drive. So it was really important for me that um it was somewhere where that was commutable. Um And it's nice to be in the same hospital for both years because you get used to the it system, you get used to the building, the staff and everyone as well. So, um pros of London Deanery. So especially in teaching hospitals like Saint Thomas, you get lots of research and quality improvement and like audit opportunities as well. Um Before coming to Saint Thomas, I've heard that, you know, consultants can be quite scary, quite snobby, but actually they're, they're really friendly and approachable. Um and they're really willing to teach as well. Um And you're very well supported by the MDT. So for example, right now, working in Jerry's um in my ward of 28 patients, we have um a ward pharmacist that's just responsible for the 28 patients and they're there all day all the time. So, um if we had any questions, for example, prescribing um in patients with like poor renal function um or weird and wonderful drug allergies, you could just pop over and ask them without having to like trawl through the B NF yourself. Um Other members of the MDT like nurses are absolutely brilliant. They do all the bloods, caners, catheters everything. Um So it's really good. You're really well supported. Um So with London, obviously you have very convenient transport links as well. Um And I can say this for Saint Thomas like 100% I'm sure that's the same for all other um hospitals. Um probably not specific to London as well, but it's a great f one community. Um We have like weekly pub trips, we sit in the park um after work, um people have formed like uh football teams like netball teams and things like that and we have a Christmas ball as well. So it's really sociable. Um And then being in London, um I feel like you get to maintain quite a good work life balance because outside of work, um there's lots of, you know, concerts, ballets, theater, sport, nightlife, um whatever you like, there are um some cons to being in London. So firstly, I feel like um you get, again, especially in a teaching hospital as opposed to ad GH you get a lot less hands on clinical experience. So while it's great and wonderful that all the nurses do Cannulas and catheters and things, I definitely feel like compared to some of my friends who are in, um, other deaneries. Um, I'm a lot worse at them than other people. Um, in London as well. You get less low opportunities, um, and lower locum rates as well. So, um, at Saint Thomas Hospital were infamous for one of the lowest locum rates in the country, I think. Um, so our locum rates are for an F one, it's 22 lbs an hour. Um, which I think is the lowest. Um And on top of that, um living in London is just very expensive in general and although transport is convenient, um commute is very, very expensive. Um So that's something to keep in mind as well. Um Nick Clegg, please. So I've been asked to talk a little bit about S FP. I know you'll get um like a full in detail S FP presentation at the end as well. Um But so to talk a little bit about my personal experience, I applied to both um London and Oxford um for different reasons. So London I chose because of location. Um Oxford I chose because um in Oxford, you get a lot more autonomy with the fact that you can, with, with the project, you can choose um your supervisor and you can choose the specialty you want to do it in, whereas in London, um you kind of just choose from a set list. Um But in the end for me, I chose London because location for me was a priority. Um And again, I couldn't drive. So, um I picked that in the end. Um So a bit more about my application in the London Deanery. Um There are no whitespace questions. Although for Oxford, I did have to write whitespace questions anyways. Um But for London, um you are ranked um out of 60 points um in order to get your job. Um So the 1st 20 points um is portfolio. So just basically based on what you meant, not a um you get five points for an additional degree. Um So if you've done a BSE A masters, a phd, things like that, um five points for prizes. So one point for each prize. So things like first, but like, I think distinctions like first prizes in a subject or something. Um And then 10 points for publications. So that's PUBMED, registered publications and it's two points per publication max 10 points. So, um if you're amazing and you have 30 publications, you still get 10 points if you have five publications that still gets you 10 points. Um And then if you pass that initial stage, so they have a threshold um where they cut off um a specific number um of applicants which they interview. Um So this year, I believe the cut off point for your portfolio was 11 or 10. Um So that's just a ballpark. Um But it might be different this year. Um And then you move on to the interview, that's a maximum of 40 points. So um 20 points on your academic interview, um they happen back to back on Microsoft teams, um your academic interview, they'll ask you to critically appraise a paper. Um And then in the clinical interview, it's basically a bit like an ay but times three, so they will give you three clinical scenarios. Um And you have to talk about managing like three unwell patients at the same time. It's basically testing how you prioritize um the jobs and things like that. Um So for the final year students um that are listening to this, I guess, um my main tips would be to reach out to current SF PS um especially in the Deanery that you want to apply to, to find out more about their experience, both um applying and also their experience right now. Um and start interview preparation early. Um have a buddy to practice with. Um I found that really helpful um And honestly preparing for an interview will help you with your finals anyways in terms of AYS. Um And it would be helpful for if you want to apply for ACF in the future as well. Um I can put my email on the chat. Um If anyone wants to ask me any questions specifically about applying to London or Oxford, um and I'll try to like answer questions as well in the chat as we go on. The last thing I wanted to say is with the kind of random allocation that's happening since my year um and continuing on to the next year. Um I would really recommend applying to S FP because there's nothing to lose. If you don't get an S FP, you get placed back into the general um F one pool. Anyway. Um So it's just an extra chance um to maybe get where you want to go in terms of location or get the job you want in terms of the specialty. Um So yeah, that's everything. Thanks very much. Thank you, Michelle. I think there was some questions about. Oh, ok, in the chat. But if you ha feel free to help me to um anytime you can stop, you can type on the chat as well if you want to. Um It's quite specific. Yeah, it probably might be worth typing down rather than speaking about it now. Yeah, thank you. All right. Thank you. So for next we have Hannah to talk about um Peninsula. Hi, Hannah. Hi. Can you hear me? Yep. Ok. Hi, Rua. My name is Hannah and I just graduated from bars in the London University of London, also known as Queen Mary. And now I work in Rhode next door hospital based in exeter next time, please. So I've been allocated to Peninsula which is on the southwest of the UK. I wasn't sure where Peninsula was before I was allocated this place. So just so, you know, a lot of people might not even know where Peninsula is. So it is quite a big deanery. To be honest, there's four main, there's five main cities as shown in the map here. So there's Exeter, which is the largest city with D and hospital. There's bars, which is North Devon District Hospital, which is connected in a certain way to R DE. And next, some of our consultants go to North Devon once a week or twice a week just to do clinics and to help out with wards and stuff like that. There's to and there's Plymouth which is Hospital in which is Royal Cor Hospital. Next s please. So in terms of the training program, um I have to say a lot of the people who um ended up in exeter are either students in University of exeter or studied in universities in the region. And a lot of people actually just got allocated because as you might see from the previous slides that the competition ratio of Peninsula is actually quite low. So a lot of people just got allocated because there spaces and I also got allocated. I always say that I don't choose Peninsula Peninsula kind of chose me because it's actually the ninth in my ranking. Like I don't rank it quite highly. So, but I will have to say I'm quite happy that I ended up here because everyone I met is very nice and the training program I think is quite good as well. So with the training program, especially with um it is a very big teacher hospital and there are a lot of specialty as well. Basically covers all the specialties that you can think of. And it's a really good and well established um for acute care. The AM U is really well established here with a lot of good reputations. So there's also good research opportunities in QR projects. So there's a QR Academy that's open for all F ones. And they do encourage all of us to go to do like QR projects and potentially even to like publish and to present in different conferences in future. And in terms of surgical rotations, there are a lot of hands on experiences and you can scrub up for, you can scrub in very frequently and assist in surgeries. And the training reputation is very high. It's the second highest in terms of foundation doctors satisfaction rate and the doctors are very supportive and approachable. All the seniors consultants, everyone you can just approach them and they are very kind to just give you any advice. And the F two body scheme is very useful as well, especially when we first started. And in first rotation, like all of the year twos are really helpful in giving advice to everyone. Doctors. They will show you how to do a profile, how to just navigate yourself in the wards. And if you have any questions, feel free to ask and the Douglas mass is very good as well. They have very regular socials and well stocked with like food and everything. There is a disadvantage with the areas that some hospitals and rotations are understaffed, but it is very much improved with the introductions of pa. So for example, my ward I on Gastro at the moment, which is known for being short staffed because our minimum staffing is three which covers a ward of 26 patients and also outliers. So in a day of minimal staffing, there will only be two doctors covering the whole ward because one doctor will have to cover all. But now with one pa the workload is much better and some hospitals are still paper based. Um but as far as I know, most of them are slowly switching to Epic has already switched to epic a few years ago and it's been amazing and in terms of district hospitals, they are, they are usually less supportive in terms of the number of seniors, for example, North Durban. But as I said, just now, there are consultants from other hospitals that are able to give remote opinions or help that you need. Should you need it next slide, please? So in terms of the location, a big advantage, especially the next door is that I just walk distance everywhere. Basically, the hospital is quite close to the town center about 1520 minutes away. So it's not too, it's not too bad and everything is very like close by and it's very convenient public transport as well. The bus network is very good. All of my colleagues basically just take the bus and none, we they don't really have to drive like there is a very big parking lot and if you need to drive, like there is staff parking around and it's very easy access to exeter airport as well, which serves most domestic flights. And as we know that compared to London, it's relatively less expensive in terms of living cost. And a really good thing is it's very close proximity to a lot of good beaches, which is good for weekend trips and everything like that. Um Major disadvantage is that it's very far from London and also the weather might not be as good. For example, Corn is one of the wettest counties in the whole of England. And in terms of being far, if we're speaking from Exeter, it's not too bad, like it's about 2 to 3 hours by train. But if you ended up in Cornwall, it can actually be very far like it can take up to 456 hours to get there next slide, please. So just a little bit about placeholder Rachel talked a little bit about this just now. So I just want to give a little bit more about my perspective of how my placeholder experience was. So in Peninsula, there's about 35 placeholder jobs and they will give a specific timeline on when new jobs will be released. So for Peninsula, it was given out in a step wise allocation manner. So first of all, we were told that we are a placeholder and then we got another email to basically to inform us how many slots there are in each hospital. So for example, like there are six in Cornwall six in next to three in Northern Devon six in to Bay 10 employment. So because we are then ranked in the same pi a ranking, so you, we will have to do the rankings strategically as well. So with that, we will then rank our like rank the five hospitals. And then after we get allocated which hospital we ended up in, we will then rank the jobs again. So for example, in X, there's six jobs. So then we will get to choose which jobs you want. So in the end, I got located to my first choice which is in F one, Gastro peas and juries, F two will be GP emergency medicine and per op. So it is quite a good spread. And I think most of my friends who were put in placeholder previously also had quite good jobs. And in terms of out of hours, um for us, basically, all of us actually had out of our jobs. So for example, I'm in Gastro right now, I have, I just came up from three, a set of nights of 33 nights. And then in a few weeks, I'll have another set of nights of four nights. So it is very different in terms of specialty and dry. So for example, like well done their allocations in cohorts. So there are four cohorts of gradually released jobs. So for us, everything was put out in one go. But at different gries might have it done in different ways, but it is good that they have a time that at least that we will know that all of our, we will know all of our job allocations by the sixth of June. And we know our jobs for both years as well, not just F one, but also for F two. So this is really helpful and also with picking the jobs because Peninsula is so big. It is a consideration of a lot of people if they want to be in the same place for two years or if they want to swap. I know some of my friends who strategically put um less competitive choices, which meant one year in extra and one year somewhere else as their first choice because they think that it is less competitive and it is more likely for them to get it, which is a strategy that you can use. But it depends on your preference if you want to be in the same place for two years, just for the sake of easier to rent a house and to have a good work life balance or if you want a guaranteed job that you want, you might just put something that's less favorable for other people as your first choice. So that's all from me. Thank you very much. Sorry. Hi. Um, so for now, so we're talking about, um, we'll go through what West Midlands are like. So I'm basically graduated from Kiel University. So I was in Stoke, which is in part of the West Midlands North. So I, because I've been here for five years now, so I know the places quite well myself. Unfortunately, I don't really know much about um West Midland Central, which includes uh Birmingham. Um uh we've also got um West Midland North. We, we have Royal Stock which I was based in. Now, we also got a county which uh which is a District Hospital, Royal Wolverhampton and Shrews, which is um Shrews and Telford Hospital for Westin South. We've got Coventry, Hereford, Redditch, Warwick and Wash Worcester. Sorry if I'm pronouncing it wrong. But um so with um Ronald, do you wanna talk a bit about um we've got Ronald here, which we'll talk about S FP later as well. So, um basically for um for Birmingham. So for QE H it's, it's a big tertiary center. Um I personally didn't know much about it, but apparently they have quite good rotations about. I can, I can talk if you, if you, if you want, if you want me to. Yes, Yes, you are. So, so just, just join cause I just finished my co shift. So yeah, uh I studied in Ain. So I know a fair bit about West Central. So Q hb uh Queen Elizabeth. Um So yeah, again, it's a big tertiary center even for university like us in stoke, we send our patients to QE for more complex care. They are very niche specialty. So, so that means you can have some nice clinical patient like neurosurgery plastics or infectious disease. Uh very niche. Uh The culture is a bit debatable. Um So it's under culture cultural review for the consultants and several departments. Um But all of the junior that uh all of the juniors that work there, they, they find Birmingham. Ok. Um I don't know if Jason is here today, Jason Wong. Jason Wong is our doc officer as well. He works there for two years. Um It's actually quite a good teaching hospital, lots of training and stuff. Um And then the other big D GH is the Heartland hospital. Um It's not known to be a lot more hectic. Um They, they had sort of culture investigation before and so now it's improved, but the workload is still very high. Uh and for the sun and West Birmingham and good hope Hospital. Um they're quite laid back. I think all of the Aston students and Birmingham students tends to pick that because um it's a lot more chill than, than the two named hospitals. Um Yeah and then Royal Stoke. Yeah, the hospital that me and Anna is working in is a teaching hospital called Hill University. Um I have like of of course we we we can only speak of Rostow because we work as a doctor personally. I think the culture is a lot better than Birmingham. Uh patients are a lot more educated. Um and the nurse can do a lot more such as the bloods, ABG, PBG and the nurse, the nurses are quite good, but the downside is of course, uh location like you are middle of nowhere. Uh unless you drive. Um but a lot of people do commute and come to Rosto to work and stuff. Um County, it's ad th um it's like HS in Birmingham. Uh it's known to be headache and you have to perform clinical skills yourself. Um The nurse is known to be um wouldn't say useless. Just, just they, they, they're not able to do lots of basic procedures and they would just say, oh, I'm not signed up to do it and then you have to do it. Um Rob Wilton. Uh I think it should be the first choice amongst the western and north scenery because it's very close to Birmingham. Um I think just a 15 twen no, 30 minutes drive. It's quite modern. Um So II went there as a student and I quite like it. Nice people, not as nice as Stoke, but Yeah, nice people. Shrewsbury and Telvent II think I need uh, Anna to tell you more about Shrewsbury and Telvent. I've been there for one of my, um, one of my years basically in my fourth year. It's kind of, it's a small hospital but you have to, I think you're working in Shrewsbury. Basically. There's Princess Royal Shrewsbury Hospital and, oh, sorry. Yeah, sorry. Royal Shrewsbury Hospital and Princess Hospital in Telford. So you have to travel in between the two hospital for some of the, some of the special specialty and, um, some of your shift. So it would be, they don't, with what I remember. They, they don't have an emergency department at night. So basically if you're in emergency shift, like ed shift and you're very lucky because you don't have any nights at all. And I think, um, and it's not as busy as other tertiary, uh, because it's quite a district one as well. Um, that's as far as my remember about. It's quite a small hospital. Yeah. Yeah. Lastly is the Coventry. So, uh, um, University Hospital of Coventry in Warwick. Um, it's big. It's huge. It's a trauma center. I heard good things about surgery rotations there. I think people dislike it. Be, be because I think they are still using a paper system. I think it's shifting to digital. But then, yeah, I heard quite a lot of, um, paper stuff there. So, yeah. Uh, but I mean, West and North and South are more or less the safe choice or you won't put it as a first choice anyway, unless you and your partner want to go there and work together just like me and my partner at the moment. Um, otherwise I don't think you put west, mid north or south as your first choices anyway. Yep, I can quickly talk about the, about Royal, I think Ronald, you have mentioned quite a bit about Royals stock earlier on as well. Um It's ve it's quite protective and everyone's very supportive for F one. So they would know that you are like with all the registrar and consultant, they're really happy to teach as well. So they are quite helpful in terms of you don't know anything. Like for example, I'm based in neurology, what at the moment? So if I, obviously I'm not really good with neurology stuff, but if I've got any questions or any examination wise, still they will still treat you even though you have graduated from medical school, they will still are very help, happy to teach you and sort of let like, talk it through with you as well. And we do have, I think we do have quite a uh we do have nights for F one doctors and on calls as well. So for me, I'm based in a medicine blog right now. So I would have to cover, um I would have to cover acute medicine unit as well, which will have nights and on calls. So my kind of schedule is I would have a week that I was, I'll be based in my neurology ward. Then I would have, for example, a week which is working from 9 to 7 in the acute medicine or like for a week that I will have four nights in a row in, um, acute medicine, either parking patient or covering the ward itself. Which, um, I find it, I think I didn't, I wasn't realizing that we have to cover nights s and F one, but to be honest, I didn't actually look specifically or like carefully enough when they given, they have a speci, er, er, how do you say a guidance basically to tell you what sort of specialties you have to be on night as well. So far as I remember as af one in Royal Stoke, it's only if you're working for AM U uh acute medicine that you have to cover nights in Ed. If you're starting in emergency department as af one, you, uh, your shift is only up to 12 at night and that's pretty much it. And I don't think you have to be at like on a night shift for any surgical rotation at the moment. Um, so, yeah, it's, but I would say it's a steep learning curve and you definitely learn a lot, uh, learn a lot to be having nights as an F one doctors. Um, you've got registrar around, which is there all the time to help you as well. So you don't feel like you're being by yourself. Uh, most of the time. Um Also Stoke is a very nice location. I understand. It's not a good, it's probably not a good city itself, but it's in a very prime location because it's only half an hour drive to half an hour to 45 minutes maybe to Manchester and like around one hour, around one hour, one hour to Birmingham as well. And it's quite close to peak district and Alton Towers, if anyone interested also one hour drive from Liverpool. So basically it's quite convenient in terms of going to big cities wise. Um, it's com you can commute from Manchester and Birmingham. So this year I'm living in, um, near Manchester and Warrington. So I'm basically driving about one hour, um, like a two hour return journey each day. But if the MS, like if the motorway is be behaving itself, it's not if there's no traffic at all, so it will be less than an hour. So to me it's still doable, but if you are concerned of tiredness after work and anything that is anything like that, you can also stay in ro er, in stock itself, which the living cost is not really that high compared to other big cities. It's quite ideal in terms of if you want to save some, save up some money or if you are planning to, um, live somewhere cheaper than in a, in a city based area. Um, we've got a doctor Mess as well. So we've got food every Monday and Wednesday. And also we've got some, they've got quite a lot of leisure activities in there. They've got a, like a poker table. Sorry, not poker, sorry. At my, but it's like a, what do you call them? Um, snooker, sorry? Yeah, like a snooker. They've got darts as well. They've got like playstation in the Doctor Mess as well. Um They also have like a weekly sports activities as well, but I personally didn't join, but it's a good bonding experience. I would presume. And you have quite a lot of teaching session within your own specialty. Like for my like medicine, you have like from what I've had so far, at least 2 to 3 teaching sessions per month. So it's basically counting to your um you can put it on to your portfolio as well, which would be very helpful by the end of year to be reviewed as an F one doctor. Um It's a tertiary center, as we mentioned before. It's a really steep learning curve because you are exposed to quite a lot of different conditions. If you're working in a medicine, uh like acute medicine or in emergency department, you can, there is always a lot of um different cases coming in like DK A or like if they have um traffic accident, there will be, a lot of people will be sent into Royal Stock. Um location wise, we've mentioned it before. Com uh living cost as well. If anyone's interested in doing Potter stuff, it's a city famous for Potter apparently. So there's still a lot of stuff to do around in Stoke. And the downside of it is there are not a lot of restaurants if you are interested in food compared to big cities and it's kind of a mixture of a posh and rough area. So, yeah. Um So moving on, we've got Ronald to carry on talking about our specialized foundation program. Yes, it's me and um you know, we have a London SF featuring you, which is a lot more better than I am to speak at this. But then there we go. So uh quick intros for S FP, I'm gonna talk about what is S FP, why S FP uh personal reasons and academic purposes uh application uh try to be a bit more detailed. Um So if you search as subpoena on uh the FP website, it actually says wait for um the official um uh information to be released. So I think we are still a bit unsure. I think there's rumor that says one third of the post need the same sort of white space question interview process. So I'll just cover it just in case and how to pick the right denary. I think this is the, the, the, the, the answer that I was looking for last year when I was um finally a meter and some personal tips and tricks look like, please. So S FP what is it and why to do it? Um It's, it's a easy, easy question, easy answer um the time. So once you are f one, no matter what, what specialty you're working in, you are just doing basically a secretarial ward clerk kind of stuff. So the time off to do stuff you actually enjoy is actually quite nice. And the activities that you did actually comes towards your portfolio and can enrich the portfolio to make you stand in the application further down the line. So it's quite nice. Um it can comes in different formats like academic block four months. So it's 1/6 of the aca of the of the clinical rotations to be academic p or day releases. Um So other than time off, you get a few more perks as well. So extra funding for courses and more opportunities involved in training, training as in uh research, skill training or medical education, skill training or leadership, skill training and you some for my diary. Um whatever cost I apply for uh the hospital may fund 50% of the cost that I'm doing. So that's the extra perk that um may draw your attention to S FP some Deanery offer PG Cert, I think Manchester offer PG Cert and me medical education uh for Yorkshire and Humber. They offer PT cert for um research, skill, health research. So it's quite good. Um And then it also prep be prep you better for the next post in academic uh in academia. So in academia, there's some sort of post called ACF academic Clinical Fellow, it's very competitive, it's a run through program. So it, so the fact that it's run through already attracts so many attention and you also get the time during the program as well. So you are competing against people who have phd even or have lots of uh publications. So some time off to, to dedicate your, your time to prepare for education would be nice. First of all, at least the de dedicated supervisor, then you have someone that is actually interested in yourself and meet your learning goals. I think that's very important. The downside is um well, all SF PS like myself, we are treated as normal F one during F one and in F two, when you sho you have more autonomy to do stuff and losing 11 block to academic can mean that uh you lose some clinical skill. Uh But it's more, more or less limited. So I wouldn't say it's a cons but then I have to think of something. So that's why I put it here. OK. Next slide please. So um the application timeline just for a reference, II copied and pasted the timeline last year. Uh It should be opening soon, I think. Um the, the application with S FP and how you rank the jobs and uh mid October last year, uh you have to finish the whitespace question, finish the ranking jobs and you will be receiving interview interview invitations. And during November, December, you will have interview. So for my West Midland one, I think I got it. I got the interview in November and for my Manchester one, I got interview for um for J Yeah, after, after new Year. So can can, can be quite a span of the time. Yeah. And in, and in terms of education, you need to write white white space questions. Um it's kind of standard for whatever job you apply. So it's a total of nine questions uh that will ask, oh, what of achievement you have in terms of leadership. Um What sort of uh involvement that you have for academic, that kind of stuff? And each question would be limited to have 200 words. You have to be very smart to, to write a concise answer that showcase all the shit when you had and II only managed to do this uh under the health of my mentors or my seniors. So if any of you are applying to SS FP, feel free to reach me. Uh And I will more than happy to review the whitespace question that you guys wrote. Um And then for interview um different Gene, we have different formats. So for Oxbridge, it's quite formal you have to critical critically appraise a paper formally and then, and then one of the panel will be a public citizen. So um it's very fellowship acf style like just a replica of the of the formal interviews. And London, I think, I think Michelle mentioned it. Uh London doesn't need any whitespace question. And London is a very systematic interview. I quite like it. So you have, I think 10 minutes of critical appraisal and then eight minutes of clinical stations, clinical stations. Yeah. And then personal interview for like two minutes to, to shout out whatever uh what whoever you want to work with and what you wanna do. Why, why, why pick me that kind of stuff? Manchester? Um They, they want to be like London but II personally don't really like the, the interview process in Manchester. I think they recently changed and I last, last year, at least I feel like the faculty is not really prepared, but it's my own personal opinion anyway, for Midlands. Um there's no research paper to critically appraise, there's no clinical stations to do. It's just personal interfere. So yeah, feel free to reach me if you want to know more about the interviews. Yeah, next time, please. So picking the dry. OK. Has a here, here's the interesting one. So if you're not interested in academia, like you don't want to do phd, you don't want to do ACF you don't want to do ACL might as well, just pick whatever you like. Um But if you are committed in academia, like myself, like you really like research, then of course, first of all, identify your specialty of interest. The catch of S FP is not ordinary, can fulfill your interest. For example, I'm interested in orthopedics. I quite like the diary of KSS. But then in the KSS, there's not much orthopedic project when I, when I, when I, when I look at the university and stuff and that's why I didn't pick the diary. So make sure you identify your specialist of interest first and then look into each diary to make sure you pick something, the diary match your interest. That's, that's essentially the point I'm trying to make. And if you're more, a bit more hardcore, you can see the post after S FP the ACF post to see the latest opening. So it, it's, it is based on universities, for example, Birmingham might have posts for neurosurgery research, cardiology, cardiology research and, but I'm interested in orthopedics and they don't offer it. So it w it wouldn't make sense for me to go Birmingham for SSP cause I want to stay there for my, for my, for my next post. If that makes sense. Um And once you identified the unit, it would be great if you can talk to the academic consultant or the current ACF to know more about what specific research they're doing. It'd be really useful for your whitespace question to demonstrate that you know what you're doing and you have a clear plan of what you're doing in the next two years. And this actually favors the students that is currently in the area. So some students in London, they might do the I BSE and they identify a supervisor and they can talk all about the possible stuff to do in the White Space question. So you have to make sure your comparativeness is matching up to the ones who had the I BSC who had line up projects and stuff. You, you, you, you have, you have to make sure that in order to have a chance in applying to very competitive uh like London, Northridge. Um Yeah, DNE is just mostly to, to get a pre preliminary project to talk more about during the interview and talk to current trainee to know more about the interview. Yeah, exactly. So why did so why I made the choice to apply for West Midlands and Northwest? Basically, statistically speaking, they have lots of posts. So comparing to East Anglia, for example, they only have 12 posts in West Midland, there's 50 in Northwest, there's 60 so higher chance to have interfered. And based on my interest for West Midlands, there are some good orthopedic centers and I know people around here. So that's why I picked here uh for, for Northwest, I also explored and discover from some good academic units. There are loads of good academic units in Liverpool and Manchester and the I cat office, um integrated clinical academic training, I think no integrated combined academic training or something like that um is run by the Manchester people and they are very keen for to, to help you to get the next post and more funding to do research. So, so they, they are very good. Um So in terms of what my current program offer is protected time will be three day release for first block in F two. So I'll be doing academic rheumatology in the first block of F two. So I work five days per week, but two days will be clinical. Three days will be academic for my first block entire block and for the remaining blocks I will have um either Monday or Friday off every week to do my academic work. I also have a funded methodology course that is uh that, that carries master credits offered Byers of care and funding and study leave. Like I mentioned, we, we get extra fund, study leaves and a dedicated supervisor. Yeah, like slap please. So applying to S ap um although lots of people will say, oh, you can apply, there's no loss of time and stuff, but my honest advice will be only applied when you are 100% sure and committed because because you have to write the right right space question which can, which can take months to write that you have to prep the interview, you have to pick the diary, talk to the consultants and stuff. It's actually a lot of work and it can affect your finals. My finals is in February. So I II was working really hard in my final year and uh yeah, lots of time went to S FP preparation and not my finals. Um And you have to be logical. Like, although, ok, you want to go London, you're applying S AP probably because you just want to go London. You don't, you're not, you don't, you don't even care about the research projects uh whatsoever. But you need to know how likely you are going to get interview. Look at the portfolio, passing shortlisting marks, look at the, look at your CV. Like, are you able to at least answer the nine questions on whitespace question? If not, I would II would say there's not much point apply, applying because all the time you, you will be wasted and not get any interview offers. Um Some of my friends get rejected um during short list and she spent the entire two months to write this VPA question. So think about that. Um Yeah, and whitespace question. Although it is short and it's based on your CV. But in the other day, it's about storytelling and how you sell yourself. And the interview was definitely probable like uh I II was shite for the first time I II tried to do this mock interview with the mindedly people. And then I attended three courses, uh listened to youtube playlists and stuff and practice with my friends. And in the end I think I am quite good uh in the interview. So I'm sure I'm sure it's manageable interview. You, you will face this obstacle when you're applying for specialty training down the line anyway. So don't be afraid of interfere. That's what I'm trying to say. Um Knowing your geographic location and avoid the whole randomized system is very, very nice. There are too many uncertainties. You can be placed in Scotland, in Scotland, in northern Ireland and you can be a placeholder only find out your jobs six weeks before you, you, you work. It's, it's, it's not nice. It's not nice. I think, I think some of our panel here today are a placeholder unfortunately, and they can tell you more about their experience or maybe, maybe they told you about already. Um And you get the autonomy to, to pick jobs. Um Unfortunately, because the dry knows you want the post. So they will shove you with some shit rotations like am U like general surgery, like lots of oncall rotation just to maximize your, your failure to the trust and make sure your academic block is before the, is not the last block of F two cause you make your application in the mid of F two. So make sure that yeah, and find an academic hospital. Yeah. My hospital, although it's nice. But then the consultants are not very academic. Yeah. Which is a bit of a shame. But, yeah, it is what it is. Yeah, looks like. Oh, am I done? Oh, yeah. It's just some final tips for all of you. So, make sure you're applying this year. I think the registrate, the, um, application process has already started or starting soon. Sorry, 25th of September. So do not never miss the deadline. So it's going to be very complicated if you do and you're going to be in a very chaotic situation. So um pay attention to all the key documents if you are interested. They are on the um F foundation program website itself. They've got a PDF and you can contact the school themselves as well. They've got quite a few contacts on the um foundation program website. Um check and updates on Aureo websites. That's what I've been always doing when I was doing the application thing. Um If you have any one who have been working in diary that you want to apply to speak to them, ask for their opinions if see what's the good and bad things about the dries, um choose a job and location that you would actually enjoy doing and living. It's because work, you still, you're going to work. But a lot of the time you be going to, you want a relaxing place after work as well. So make sure you do enjoy the place. Um like compromising um each aspect and find out where lo which location is the most best for you. Be very well prepared for your interview, especially if you're applying for S FP. There's quite a lot to go through as I've heard just now and then also focus on if you've got finals, focus on your finals. Hope you guys are doing well and your PSA coming up as well. Um These are the key dates for the um feel free to take a snapshot, but it's also subject to change as well. So these are the key dates to make sure you don't miss the deadline. That's basically everything. Um I'll just pause for one or two seconds if you do wanna take a picture of it and question and answer time. So if you've got any questions, I think some, some of them has actually been answered. So um just re uh reply to some of the previous question. Um It's a random allocation so you won't know the ranking. It's basically a computer generated as mentioned before. So it's kind of a basically based on luck whether you, if you got a very high ranked number, then it's a good, you're very lucky. Basically, you can kind of, I think if you're within the first few 100s or anything, you can't actually guarantee going into like hopefully you get into your first or second, at least second preference. But as mentioned with one of our previous guest um speakers, you can have a end up to your 9 to 11 or any other like lower down ba basically, you can end up in your least rank allocation. Um That's pretty much questions if, does anyone have any more questions about anything? If you still got questions, you can also always contact us on our Instagram page or we've got some of our speakers, emails on the chat as well if you wanna ask them, especially about um S FP. But other than that, I hope everything goes well with your final year or if you're planning to apply for S FP in the future and we've got our future teaching coming up as well. If you would wanna stay tuned to that, that's sub Laughlin everyone. Bye.