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CPD Approved Gradscape Teaching Series by Dr Kapilraj on "CV and applying for a Job"

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📣 Join us for the Gradscape Teaching Series led by the esteemed Dr. Kapilraj, designed to aid in refining and mastering the key elements of job applications in the medical field. This teaching session, which carries CPD approval, dives into essential topics including crafting a compelling CV, mastering the job application process, and developing stellar interview skills. Empower yourself with valuable knowledge and strategies to succeed in the competitive medical arena. Secure your future with us. Don’t miss out! Date - 29th September 2024 Time - 8:30 PM (EET) & 6:30 PM (UK time)

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Application process

CV

Interview skills

Learning objectives

  1. By the end of this teaching session, learners should be able to understand the process and requirements for CV preparation when applying for jobs in the medical field.
  2. Learners will understand the distinctions of different pathways for career progression in medicine and how to navigate them.
  3. Participants will be able to articulate how the NHS job application process works and what steps they need to follow.
  4. The session should help attendees comprehend the importance of continuous professional development and how to gain CPD points.
  5. Learners should be aware of the impact of obtaining full GMC registration and the significance of the EPIC verification process.
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Got you. Sure. Hello everyone. Uh Can you hear me? Can you just see if the mic is working? Yeah, I can hear you. Yup. OK. Uh What about the audience? Can you hear someone just write in the chart? Like if you can hear both of us or like me at the moment talking? So we know. OK, perfect. Thank you. Thank you, Jima. So good evening everyone. Thank you everyone for joining our talk today. So my name is Shefali, the president of Rasca. So today we have our co-founder, Doctor Kapur Raj and he will be talking about the CB preparation and a applying for jobs. So we'll wait just few more minutes like 34 minutes and then uh Doctor Kuro will start the talk. I mean, while we wait, if there's any questions from anyone or is there anything in particular you want me to go through in this talk? You can either just tell me through your mic or ask me in the chat and then I can try and cover that as well as we go along as well. All right, I think we can make a start. Um First of all, can you guys hear me? If someone can just tell them, I can let me know if they can hear me. Can you guys hear me? Ok. Ok. Um It would be good if you guys can switch on your mics as well. Um Because during the talk, I might not be able to see the chat and I wanna make this as interactive as possible as well because at the end day, it is predominantly for you guys if that's a possibility. Otherwise, um I would just ask you to keep an eye on the chat and then um just um tell me during the talk. So the talk today is gonna be about um CB preparation and applying for jobs. So before I start, as you guys know, my name is Raj. I'm one of the co founders of Grad Scape and we set up two years ago, uh four of us as friends ideally to provide advice and obviously try and get you guys prepared to working as an I MG predominantly from Eastern Europe to working for the NHS. And as you know, we offer free advice service workshops B LS course, help with Q IP audits and research. Today's part of our Blue in G series. So at the end of the talk, you guys will have a feedback form and you'll receive a certificate for one CPD and I will explain the importance of the CPD later on as well. So um we'll start off So as I said, we want to make this as interactive as possible. So whenever you feel like there's a question you need to ask, you don't have to wait till the end. Just ask me if during the talk, feel free to interrupt me. Um Because at today, I wanna know what you guys wanna know and I want to help you guys prepare your best CV and get into a job into NHS. Um I will also ask you questions along the way as well. So first of all, can you guys all see my um screen in full screen if someone can just uh tell me by their mic? Sorry, I think the mic some way is not working. But can you guys please just chat uh in the text? I will solve this problem later. So yeah, uh can you see my slides moving though so far? Yes, I can. Ok, cool. So as you know, this is for CV, prep to apply for jobs. Um This is at the end of the day, it's not something that's um it's not, you shouldn't be taking it as a medical advice, any form you should only strictly act within your scope and your capabilities, but this is just an advice at the end of the day. Um And if you're always in not sure about anything, always ask for help. That's one of the main things that you should do as, as an NHS doctor. So I know, you probably would have heard a lot of people saying, oh, a lot of people here are struggling. They don't know this, they don't know that that is completely fine when you start as NHS doctor, especially Fy one fy two level. You're exactly like the UK doctors. They're all the same as well. I experienced this as well when they came in, in August. They're also just as nervous as you. They also need to ask questions, they're not as sure. So you're at the same level playing field as them. So do not think that um that you undermine yourselves or have that impulsor syndrome that you're not as good as them because I can assure you that you are. And I know there's a lot of talk about saturation and bottleneck. Um in a certain extent there is more competition but it's not saturation or bottleneck. Uh The difference between the two is basically saturation means that there are a lot more GMC registered doctors that are applying for jobs and that's why you need a good CV. But there are jobs available because if there were no jobs available, locum agencies won't be able to run. And the fact that locums are still coming into hospitals shows there is still a gap in NHS. The fact that the BMA are saying they need more doctors to be trained, shows there is a gap. So there is a gap. So don't believe that there's a saturation especially those of you who are UK nationals there is jobs out there for you. So do not believe anyone who tells you it's saturated. You can't get a job. You can. And believe me, I will assure you all of you will end up getting a job. If I can get a job. You guys can. When people talk about the bottleneck, the bottleneck mainly applies for um training jobs. So it's not just for you guys, it's for everybody in the UK. So the bottleneck is basically when you go for specialty, there's a ratio. So for some jobs, it'll be a 5 to 1 ratio, some jobs, 10 to 1. So it means that for every 10 app because there's only one place available. So that's where the bottleneck comes up and it will happen whether you study in the UK or I MG, it's just competition at the day. But if you work on your CV, you can get there as well. And as I said, things are being worked on to release the bottleneck. So I just want you to obviously make just to base, basically assure all of you that you will get a job and do not worry and do not listen to negativity, just be positive, be proactive and you will get a job. So this is the journey that most of you have been on so far or all of you have been on so far. Um We won't touch on medical school because you'll have talks upcoming in this series, talking about um the Ielts and your um applying for GMC registration and when you've graduated. Ok. Um So we'll be talking about the final section which basically how you apply for jobs to make a good NH SCV. And we can touch on the interview prep as well. So we'll just make you go on to apply for jobs. So there's two pathways um to get a job as an in G. Most of you will be on Pathway B where you'll be required to go through a European qualification. So after you finish your degree, you go to your student office, you get um alternative document to say that you've completed your degree and you've done a one year internship and you get that Epic Verified. Uh Once you've got the Epic verified, you then get GMC register and you can apply for jobs. There is a probably slight change for you, those of you in the lower years that they might be introducing the UK MLA, which will also apply for those in pathway A. So the UK MLA will replace the CL. But as I said, there'll probably be a talk on that later on. But for the moment, most of you will be on Pathway B where once you've got your alternative document, your G and C registration, you're ready to apply for jobs. You just need to do your IE LT and O ES before you do that. So this is the traditional pathway. Um So the first question I wanted to ask people, do you guys think this is the only pathway you can take um as a doctor regardless if you're an in G or UK doctor? So do you have to go for FY one FF two and then join the special training program at CT one CT two and then go to higher speciality. So what does everybody think? And I'll try and log back to chat to some of them they're saying no so far? Cool. So what other um Yeah, the seasons are exactly. So which, which, where, where do you think you can start? And where do you think you cannot start? So when you say the Caesar pathway, where do you think you have to start? And where do you think you have? You cannot start and this is a free safe zone. So feel free to just throw out answers. Yeah, you can start fy two trust grade J CF. That's one way. Uh where's the other route that you can start off? So let's say for instance, you've done your fy two. You've got your quest form signed off but you weren't successful in getting a training post. Do you think then you have to definitely do CT one C 22 before you can go into speciality and you could do an F three here. Uh No M sra exam. OK. So you have to do the M SRA exam if you're going into certain specialties for CT one CT two and yes, you can opt to do an fy three jobs. But what if I told you you can do an F two job and then you can do another two years in the specialty you want to and then you can apply directly to ST three. Did, were you guys aware of that as well? And it's ok if you don't, you can write yes or no, if you're aware or not, yes or no. So are you guys aware that you can skip CT one and CT two and go straight to ST three afterwards? Ok. You're not aware. So the Fy two standalone is basically we'll touch on that as well. So Fy two stand on is basically you join the um training program at FY two level, you get an A RCP and you can apply for higher studies. Um What I would say is so if I go back to my powerpoint, so most of you won't be able to um start from Fy One basically because most of you will come up with a full registration, which means that you can't start an Fy One training program. However, you can do an F YN um training, non, non trust, sorry, nontraining trust post. There's about 90 places available 100 places per year for fy two standalone, which can be anyone from any country. And some of you will probably start fy two level. When you finish the Fy two level, you get a RCP. You can either go straight into CT one ct two or ST one ST two, whatever special you want to go to and move up through there. Some, most of you though will probably do a trust grade job. First of all as an Fy two or you'll do lo and you'll get something called a crest form signed off and go through this pathway. Some of you might actually do an F one F one trust blade job, F two, trust grade job and do do act one C 22 equivalent a job in a certain speciality, let's say, for instance, surgery you might have um six months, rotational posts for two years, that's a non training post and you can get something signed off called ACR E HST, which then gives you basically the same eligibility as act one CT two and training grade and goes straight into ST three. So what I'm trying to say is there's many pathways to get through and just because you don't get the same pathway as someone else, does it mean you can't get through to your consultant yet because pred your final step would be, won't want to be a consultant. Uh Sorry to interrupt. So in the text, I don't know if you can see. So Jimma ask um like what is like SCF she just wrote like CF question mark and then senior clinical fellow. Question mark. Yeah. So senior clinical fellow is when you're an ST three and above a junior clinical fellow job is anything up until, um, your registrar level? So junior clinical fellow will be either F one F two CT one ST one or CT two ST two or sometimes ST three in certain specialties. And then when you become a registrar, that's when you become a senior clinical fellow. And so what short, I think someone wrote it on the cr what sort something cr can you like what you mean by cr what, what sort IBETA? OK. I'll wait for her to write them to find out what she means by see what sort. Oh What was the pathway? So I'll type it in. So especially for surgery, you can get something signed off as, yeah, CR E HST, which is similar to what your crest form is from. So Crest, which I'm typing in now it's completion of foundation competency. So after you've finished F two and your competence to going above F two, you get a quest form signed off if some of you because obviously the MSR exam can be quite competitive and you don't get your training posts as you expected and you don't wanna wait. Sometimes there are posts available that are S 21 ST two equivalent that gives you a training program, rotational, make sure it's rotational. And this is similar to getting a nontraining grade at F two where you have a nontraining post at CT one CT two. But be, be aware, be, make it clear to them when you start those jobs. This is what you're ideal and what you want to do once. Um The one that wasn't Crest. Yeah. So the one that wasn't Crest is CR E HST. Ok. So that means, you know, you've got uh uh competencies to go up for a higher specialties. So you can go up to ST three. So if you finished F two and you got your Crest form signed off and then you'd start ST one, ST two, nontraining grade, rotational job. You can get things signed off, get an alternative document called the CCR E HST. And you can use that and apply to ST three jobs. Ok. So most grads from here will most likely apply for FY two. Then do CT then ST three training. Yeah, some of you might do the fy two stand alone, some of you might do local, which we'll go on to some of you after F two might go into a training post, which is brilliant. Once you've got to a training post, you can get straight through some of you might not be successful in your first training post. I wonder what you might do. So you might end up doing non training grades doing CT one CT two and then go into higher studies after that. Again, if you don't get into higher studies through that route. That's when someone mentioned the Caesar route, which means that you can do a nontraining grade completely all the way to consultant, you get an alternative document signed off and you get CCT that way, you become a consultant. So I think the thing that I want you to just try and explain to all of you guys, there's more routes than one. So when someone tells you this is the only route they're wrong. There is more, there is more ways than one. And I think hopefully I've got a slide here that will explain that. Uh Yeah, here. So if we go back to one, this is basically your usual routes that you'll go through. So, so as you said, someone like you might do an F three year and then you might go into training that way. However, there are other pays as well to get into consultant. So you can do a CCT, which is, as I said, you do the whole complete training course from F, from CT one, all the way to S TA you do a complete training, run through and you get CT, some of you might get the C RCP where you complete part of your G improvement as through a training program. So it means that you do CT one CT two as a non grade and you start from ST three and you go all the way to CCT and you become under register and you become a consultant. Some of you might do the Caesar route and not to not do a training program at all, do a nontraining grade all the way up for the next 8 to 10 years, then get your alternative documents signed off and then you become a consultant and the same route is for GP as well. So if you don't get one route, don't be disheartened, there's always more ways to do it. And what I would always say is actually try both routes as well. It's always good to have an alternative option and lean back, have one safe option to lean back on. Ok. Is that clear so far or does anyone want me to explain anything before me? One? Cool. So we'll move on to the next bit. So as I said, the first one is the first type of job you can get when you finish uni is the F two standardized, which is a standard standardized training program, you get a clinical supervisor, educational supervisor. Um and then you get a, you get regular um meetings with your educational supervisor that you're um matching everything. I think. So I would have gone through the portfolio with you. Um So sorry to interrupt again. Uh I think Jim ask, do you speak with your consultant about, I think about the form or something. So when you would, yeah, so when you want to go for alternative routes, when you take up the job, you have a clinical supervisor, you mentioned to your clinical supervisor there and then that this is my aim and what's the likelihood of me getting signed off? Um So if you do start ST one ST two, it's like if you start an F two grade, you will speak to your clinical supervisor and say I want to start, I wanna get my quest form signed up and going to training. And then if you go into ST one, ST two, you then basically tell them there as well. I wanna get my cr E HST signed off and I wanna go for ST three training. And yes, everybody gets a clinical supervisor, whether the only people that will get a clinical supervisor. If you do local work, if you're in a trust grade job, regardless if you're in training or nontraining, you get a clinical supervisor, the only thing that a training person will probably get more than you. But sometimes even on a trust screen, you get it as well as an educational supervisor. So an educational supervisor supervis you throughout the whole time of your hospital there or your clinical supervisor will change according to your rotations. So if you have a rotational non, if you have a rotational trust, nontraining job, you have many clinical supervisors as you rotate. Uh but you have ones educational supervisor, you can always ask for one, but sometimes your clinical supervisor will be your educational supervisor as well. So in my last job in Adam Brooks at Cambridge, even though I had rotations for my two rotations, they were my clinical appointment assay as my educational supervisor and they will sign off your eo as, as well and say that you're quest form ready but always make sure you get a clinical supervisor. Yeah. OK. And as I was saying, so most of you, if you, if you get through the FDA standalone, which is a training program, you get the educational supervisor and clinical supervisor and they will talk you through through a whole year. And if you match everything, you get something called an A RCP, which means you're ready to go up to um speciality post. Good thing about F two standalone is that you don't have to wait for your A RCP to come through. You can apply for specialty while you're doing your F two standalone. Yeah. Um And you get rotational and you probably get support. You have to make sure you get more than 7.5 in every aisle. So usually for GMC registration, you need an average of 7.5 by at least seven in every category to get it to F two standard. You need a 7.5 in every character category. I think O BT S, you need 400 in each category. Applications usually open in January. Um There you go through a website and you just put in your details. What happens is once you filled up the details and you fulfill their requirements, you get long listed. When you get long listed, you get invited to sit there. Situational judgment test was the S JT test which around February March time. If you do well, in that you get shortlisted, once you get shortlisted, you have an interview and then once you get interview, you get ranked and then you get a post depending on your ranking. Uh I have another question from Hannah. So would you be happy to explain the route you have taken as an example, the one I took? Yeah. So the route I took is um I took pre so far as a non trustor post. So I got my GMC registration in um January 2023. And then I did my first cross job in um East Sussex started in April in general surgery. Then I did an F two job in um Adam Brooks uh was a rotational post in psychiatry and acute medicine. And then I'm currently in fy two in Royal National Orthopedic Hospital. Currently rotation in rheumatology. But I'm soon gonna start act one CT two equivalent job in surgery because that's where I don't want to go into. So I'll be having rotational posts um Every six months in different rotational of surgery. What I hope to do is use, leave this, use this as a backup cos I'll probably still apply for the CST training program this year. But for whatever reason, if I don't get in, at least I'll have some sort of back up and then go from there. So that's the route I've taken. Some people have taken local routes. Some people have taken the F two standard route. As I said, there's no right route, but that's the route I've taken so far. Um, and any suggestion what you use for the ielts to get 7.5 yeah, use Ielts Advantage. There's also something called um I'll have to have a look, but I will, I can send you some examples if you send me a text. There are some things that you can use. What I would say is concentrate for me. The reading part was the hardest part. Uh concentrate on that. Um And the writing part, there will be a talk on Ielts as well. So probably we'll delve more into that, but just send me a message and I'll tell you more about the Ielts exam. OK? Um And as I was saying, the standard, once you get grant, you get a job as an F two stand alone, you do that for one year, you get signed off as a RCP and you can apply for um higher posts training. So what do you think is important in the CV? And we'll delve into this cos I know a lot of people will say, oh, you don't need this at university. II will support you say you do. So you need to have something about your personal information about yourself. You need to have your qualifications. Would you ideally be your medical degree, any degree you did prior to medicine and then your A levels G CSE S, what experiences you've had so far? So all of you should put, you've had one year internship which is according to fy one, put the different rotations you've done in Bulgaria. If you've been a HC A or a nurse in the NHS, put that down and do a clinical observer or in attachment as well, mention some of the competencies that you know, so you can put in a cannula uh V VG for any puncture, ABG NG tubing catheterization, try and do an audit. If you can, it will really help, try and do a research if it can and we'll, we'll go into this a bit later, do teaching management. And what I would say is audit research and teaching most definitely do it because when you even go for training programs, it's for higher specialties. When you go for a specialty training program, even though the portfolio schools change, they always want an audit, they always want a research and they always want teaching. So the CST one came up this morning and we found out that they're no longer giving certain things like leadership has been taken out and there's other things for surgical experience or something. But what's always remained on their portfolio is audit, research and teaching and say for I MT. So if you can do an audit research and teaching, now you get that out of the way you can settle into the NHS. And you don't have to worry about it. If you decide to do it, once you start working, it's doable, but you'll be a lot busy and sometimes you might run out of time. Now I have people turn around and say, well, I don't have time to do an audit of research or teaching, especially while you're in university. A lot of consultants pull you out and say that's nonsense because they know you do have time and you're just gonna be asked, we will do it. But it just shows how proactive you are if you can't do it. So I always say, do an audit research and teaching while you're at university simply because it helps you get your first job. But it also helps you for training jobs as well. Do some management, do some CPD and courses attended because this will count for when someone picks up your CV. They'll see that you've been proactive and it also counts for your appraisals supporting information and references. But I've got a question for you guys from this list. Which parts of the, which part of the application do you think people read the most? And I'll come back to the chat. I think Jima already asked about. I think it was the A one. So she asked. Yeah. So, ok, so I'll just quickly go to Jemima. So is it true that you can get um somebody to give a letter to say that you've got English competencies? Uh You can, but I think that's dodgy. I would just say do the Ielts exam. You, you're always safe. You don't want the GMC to question you. If the GMT start questioning you, it makes your registration harder. So I would say just do your Ielts exam would be my, would be my bet question for me. Can you do O at instead? Yes, you can do OT S instead. Yeah. So for the F two standalone, if you get 400 or above in O ETS in every section, you get it and for Ielts S of 7.5 or above. OK. Um So from the chat, some people are saying experiences, OK. Uh Can you teach including tutoring G CSE and A levels? Yes, you can make sure you get feedback and you get your consultant to sign off that you did this teaching experiences. So I would say Mra is probably the right. He's correct at the moment. The main thing is they look at first is just supporting information. Uh Let me just go for the rest of the questions for the teaching points. Is there a minimum amount of feedback you need to have? So for teaching, if you're going for certain teaching programs, you need to have it over a certain couple of months and you need at least four. So you need at least 44 teaching feedbacks over a couple of months over, I think it's 4 to 6 months. I need to check. I know CST is four months, sorry, six months. You need four teaching over six months. I think I MT is similar as well. You need regular teaching over 4 to 6 months and you need to provide the feedback and get a letter from your consultant. Um And then someone says for F two, no, so for F two standard and even that I wouldn't rely on getting a letter from your, someone that you can speak um fluent English because that would be kind of how do I say um debatable because you didn't score. The point is ielts. So if you haven't got it and you wanna go for FY test and Fy two, you can always go through your ielts again and see from there. And someone said qualification skills are supporting information. So what I would say is for your CV, the most important thing would be your supporting information and references. So supporting information will include all the stuff in your CV. But also you have to think about when you apply for a job, um especially when you try for trust free jobs. It's never the do doctors that read your CV. It's gonna be someone from HR or the secretary that's gonna read it and they're just gonna be able to tick the boxes. So your supporting information needs to tell you what you need to have. And if someone wants to, while I go on, if someone can just write what they think they should write in their supporting information and then I can go through what you could change in your supporting information if you wanted to. Ideally, I wanted everyone to switch on their mics and tell me what they would say. But as we're going along, I'll come back. If someone just can just write a, a couple of, you can just write what you think you should write in your supporting information and then we'll go through it together. Um What you should and shouldn't write in your supporting information. So I'll just go on and give you guys a few minutes to write that. So as I said, these are the things that you will need in your, in your CV. Um They're quite easy to do as well. So as I said, your qualification experience will be fine competencies. You can go to workshops, go to CBD, go to different courses and get your companies do a clinical attachment. They will help everything, do an audit while you're in a clinical observative, do research, do teaching at university management, et cetera. Now, these are the jobs that you will get as an I MG. So we talked about the fy two standalone, the next one is a trust grade. So they come in different forms. So when you look at NHS tracks or NHS jobs look for foundation health officer, one and two, foundation year one and two and look at junior clinical fellow. And often the ju clinical fellows will be labeled as L LA S which is local assisted for service. L at lo assisted for training and led. I'm not 100% what it means, but it's something local for their trust, but they're basically trust grade jobs. They'll be different terms. But at the other day, they're trust grade jobs. You use NHS tracks and NHS jobs and you apply for as many as you can. Now, I don't know if people sit around and say, well, I've applied for so many jobs and I haven't got a job you also have when they applied for, they've only applied to 10 to 15. Now, that's not enough because what will happen is and this is where it's an advantage. If you do a clinical observer in a hospital that hires IM GS. Sometimes when jobs, when hospitals or trusts are put out a job, they've already decided to employ someone internally. So while you're doing your clinical observer, I would go and speak to the clinical lead. A lot of people go and speak to hr you go to speak to hr and they will say keep an eye on the jobs on the NHS tracks go and speak to the different clinical leads. And don't just the one in your department you're doing the observer, go to other departments, introduce yourself, find out the clinical lead and find out about job availabilities because this will show that you're proactive and when a job does come available, they may have you in mind and they, they just the employ you internally or they will remember you. OK. Secondly, with a clinical observer, you can get a reference and when somebody picks up your CV and they see an NHS reference, you don't ultimately stand up compared to your competitive and I MG. So if you're applying for a job with an I MG person, and they've got um just let, for instance, consultants from abroad giving them references, but you have NHS references with NHS email, they would favor you more because they will think you've done something in the NHS and they trust you. So they are the advantages of doing the observer while you're at university. A lot of people wait until you finish university. Yeah, you could do that, but you can also do it while you're at uni as well because you can set the things in motion. So as I said, you trust grade, you look on NHS tracks and we'll look through some of these application processes after in a bit. The other way is a gateway program which basically gives you an Fy one fy two from my understanding at the moment it's kind of full because what happens is people in the previous or even in my, who have joined the Gateway program have not moved on and it's kind of stagnating at the moment again. Don't get fooled by people. Gateway program is not a training program. Gateway program is very similar to trust grade. Ok. You'll still get the quest form signed off. The only thing with Gateway, you'll get a clinical and educational supervisor, but it's still just a trust grade job. So whether you do a trust grade or Gateway is no difference. OK? Uh But as I said, Gateway might give you like a rotational job, which might be an advantage if you can get that. And what I would say is as well, which why when we just on the topical saturation a lot of the time, a lot of people don't move on and that's why there's saturation and that can also reflect bad news as well on you as well. A lot of doctors will want you to progress. So once you're getting bored and reality and you've, you've mastered your job, you will move on to the next one, which is what I would say. And one of the advice that one of my registers told me, which always resonates with me is that when you're working, you should always aim. So if you guys are medical school, you should be aiming that the doctor whose work is fy one fy two. And I wanna be there as soon as you get in the NHS system, you wanna get to the person who's doing cat one CT two. When you get to that stage, you wanna look at the person who is being registered. So you always need to think above and how you can progress and move up the ladder. OK? So my point is don't stagnate and stay in one job because you're also causing a backlog to your peers, which is what's probably happening at the moment with the gateway program. And finally, those of you who are UK nationals, you can join locum agencies, national locums holt skilled medics, global medics MC H Healthcare are some of the examples. You basically bring them up at the moment. They say they want experience but still approach them because sometimes they can give you a job in Northern Ireland. I say take it for 23 months and then apply and come back close to where you want to be uh for this, you'll need to do their mandatory training. Make sure you get your vaccination records up to date from your um GP. You'll probably have to go to an independent body to get your blood test like H HIV HEP, B HEP C and TB. They will then get your DBS um certificate for you enhanced. Once you get that certificate, make sure you join the updated service. So you don't have to keep getting for every job, they'll ask for references and they'll do ID checks. So these are the, some of the ways that you can get a job as a, um, I MG. So this is the NHS track jobs and basically most of you will go to medical, you, you'll log on to WW NHS tracks.org. You go to medical and dental. Sorry to interrupt. I think we have some questions. Maybe it's the right. Ok. So I need to go back. Ok. Have a look s ok. So we've gone through that most. Ok, so most local agencies once six months. Yeah. So as I touched on it because I am in touch with some of them such as NCA health care and national locums. So they will still try to get you jobs. But what will happen is you probably won't get it locally. You might have to go to Northern Ireland. But what I used to do for local agencies, I didn't just sign up for one. I signed up to six or seven and just ring them over and over and over again. Just annoyed them. Don't just sit back and think. Oh, ok. They haven't replied, I'm not gonna get a job. What I would say is ring them continuously saying I want a job. I'm happy to take any job and hopefully they will get it. And yes, led is locally employed doctor. Thank you. Yeah. Um Yeah. So what you have to do with paid? NHS. Experience, you need to say, you need to sell yourself in your portfolio and say, look, you've done, you've done like an fy one job in Bulgaria for your internship and you've done um to the clubs over. So when I was applying for local emergencies before I got my first job, they said the same thing to me and then they had something lined up for me in northern Ireland, which I was always, always gonna take. So, what I did is I'd bring them on a daily basis and asked them for an update. So you really need to push them. And this is what I mean by being proactive and when you apply for jobs don't just sit on five or six days and think, ok, I've done my job. Y you have to go find your job for you. No one's gonna come to you and put it on an app. Unfortunately. So if you ring them over and over again, sometimes something might pop up all of a sudden and they'll be saying, are you happy to go here and say yes. So my advice would be just to bring them every single day would be my advice. But as I said, if is difficult, just apply for. So when I was applying for um trust grade jobs, I was at least making 15 to 20 applications per day. So make as much applications as you can as well and just be proactive and as I say when you do a clinical attachment to seek out a clinical lead. And yeah, as I said, um breaks essentially closed right now. And that's because of your colleagues. Unfortunately, because where I am at the moment, people are not moving on. So you might have to, as I said, go for trust grade. So have, can you elaborate about clinical observer? Have I got the right idea is that similar to getting experience in the summer or during uni with specific departments? So clinical observer is basically you write to a hospital or consultant and you ask them for, let's say two weeks or 424 weeks clinical attachment, you go there and they put you in a department and basically you then shadow a doctor. So the mistake some people do is they just shadow the consultant. That's a waste of your time. What you should be doing is shadowing an fy one fy two, learning the jobs of an fy one and then you can show them that I can do it and they'll feed back to your clinical needs. What you can also do during your clinical observer as well is that's the time where you can get involved into audits and stuff. So, so essentially you are shadowing but you if you've got a good doctor F I one F I two doctor and you've got a good rapport, they will allow you to do certain things such as taking blood, taking a medical history of someone. Um, you know, arranging the CT scan X ray, ordering, ordering bloods and you get kind of first hand hands on experience being an fy one fy two doctor, which then you can say is an experience for you. Um, before you apply for jobs and Holt's medics basically said me no, because I have minimal experience. There is apparently one person I think um some of you might know Doctor Manuel. He says he knows somebody in holt doctor and he will get you a job. So again, if you message me and I'll forward you to Doctor Manuel, he might be able to help you with holt doctors. So how do you get clinical attachment? Do you just contact the hospital directly also? Yeah. So you contact the hospital directly, you contact the consultant directly and you ask her for clinical attachment. I would say during your final year, you've got plenty of time. So I did most of my clinical attach in my sixth year. Alternatively, you can also do it after you've finished university as well. But ideally do it by the end, by in your final year, end of year. Um and hold, ok, as I said with um Holt medics, send me a text afterwards, I'll get you in touch with a manual who apparently knows some for Holt medics and we'll see if they can provide something. OK. So as I was saying, you go to NHS trac drugs and you go through medical and dental and as you click there, you'll have these keywords. And in this any grade section, you put Fy one year jobs, Fy two, a foundation house officer, one foundation officer, two and junior clinical fellow. And you'll get a list of jobs. Now, this is why I said you need more stuff in your CV. So when you go to a special specification, you have something called essential and desirable. Now, a lot of people will assume, OK, you just need to get the essential criteria. I say do the desirable as well. The essential criteria everyone applying with you would have it and you wanna stand out. And if you can tick off the desirable criteria, it shows again you're more better candidate and more um more, more employable than the other person, which is why I also say probably do your A LS as well when you're in your final year as well, improves your chances of getting a job. And when you fill up your application, it's more full. So you can show you've got GNC registration, everyone will have that you have previously. And this is probably a bad example, but you have experience through your internships, you will have this, not everyone will have a LS or A LS. Um And here with desirable criteria, previous experience in ED or stuff mentioned, you did emergency medicine as part of your internship in medical school. And again, commitment to ongoing CPD points, not everyone will have to. So sure you can have that clear decision making in a busy environment. Sure that you work in a management, you work in a society and you can make clear decisions. So you stand out because when you fill in your application form, this is basically what you need to fill in. And it's similar to your CV. You basically have to put in your place of study, which will be a university. And then you give like all the details of, of courses that you've attended. So any course that you've attended, put that down, whether that's teacher, teacher, um A LS course, a VIP puncture course or um I know there was a fy focus course. If you've gone for that, put that down any courses that you've attended, put it down, it shows that you're proactive and you'll basically have a list of questions that you need to answer according to this, which I'll go into detail for each one. So propose further qualifications. If you do teach the teacher course, that's a qualification as a two day course. And you can put that down. A is another one that you can put down as proposed future qualification. Everyone will have provisional registration, everyone will have this part. And when you go for the supporting information part, you have to put in all of this and you don't want to leave this blank. OK? Uh So again, this is just the main part of your personal details, your DBS and where you put your relevant courses that you put. And as I said, this is where you put all the relevant courses that you've attended to say that you've, you've stayed up to date. So we were going to, ok. So I want, this is the part where I wanted someone to write about what they would write and they um supporting information. So I can probably just go through it and see what's going on. OK. There's a few more questions as well, so I'll read through them as well. OK. Do webinars count as courses, webinars? It depends what if it was, if it was an official course, yes, if not just put it down as um CPD, but still put it down in the course section anyway. Um because that needs to show us you've been active and yes, you can put the Scape two day workshop under the courses cos it was CPD. So does anyone want to have a go at the supporting information? So I can probably basically go through how it should be written? OK, we'll wait for a bit then and we can probably check at the end then. So when you write about yourself, which I write your, which is basically your um you need to use a CAM P approach which you use for your supporting information, you need to write something that you're clinically competent for that job according to the specifications. So you can work with an fy one, you can do certain procedures that need to be done. And the way that you can do this at one, you've done clinical, you've done your internship, which includes fy one, which way you've done um taking histories and you've done certain procedures. If you've done a clinical ship, you could say you've got insight to NHS. So you know how the NHS works because there is obviously a conception here that NHS is different, but wherever you go anywhere you need to send it in, but this will give you evidence that you can work in the NHS. And this gives you the quality um basically the skill set to work as that job and then academically, you're ticking off the desirable. So any research audit um presentations that you've done, any teaching that you've done and here you can include their trust values. The role of trust values will have inclusion, respect and improvement. So when you put down, oh, I've done a clinical audit, don't just write the clinical audit. When you write something, write, how is it, how does that, how is that important? The job that you're gonna do? So, doing a research is basically showing that you're always eager to learn, you're eager to learn about the new techniques. You know how the patient care, how you can improve patient care. And this is one of your cross values to improve patient care also to improve. I've done AQ IP which is again improving the service or improving the knowledge or improving practice. And by doing this, this will then demonstrate better care for the patient. And therefore this, this proves that I can obviously improve and look for feedback just as likely to trust values and patient value comes first. So ideally, you're trying to use all your academic stuff to link it to what they want as what you to have as to work in their trust. Now, management will come under. Basically, you've got good communication skills, you've got good organization skills, a lot of the time you're getting in your interview, how can you work under stress? You can show you've got good stress. So again, you're taking that off. So when you say you're a management, you're like a chairman or a, or a president of a society. What did that involve? And how would you then use that in the job you're going for? And your personal side is basically sure that again, you've got good work life balance, you've got um good organizational skills and you're also a normal human being. You're not just an academic, you're basically someone who can do things in their spare time as well. You're a normal person and you're approachable. So that's how you should approach your supporting information. So a lot of, a lot of people will just write, you know, I'm a very eager person. I'm a very ambitious person. I'm this and that every trust knows you're gonna be there anyway, you need to stand out so you need to evidence it. So the one thing they say in the NHS is that if it's not evidenced, it didn't happen, OK. So if you can use a step by step, this approach, when you're supporting information to prove that you can match these um basic uh essential information or desirable specifications. Then obviously, when the person reads your application upon, they'll say, OK, this person measures our specifications, you'll go through the interview. So that's how you should work on it. And so that's why the CV should have your achievements, what your strengths and weaknesses, why you apply for the role as well and how would you manage a situation, your experiences and any prizes courses you've been on et cetera. So here you will have like your application form and how you fill it up on NHS track. So again, everybody will have your GMC as your professional body. Here is where you write your, when you write your previous employment history, don't leave it blank, write every um internship that you've done. So here's an example that I did that I put um surgery as part of my internship. And then I wrote briefly of what I've done. So I reviewed medical histories and current information to provide accurate information as a surgeon. So I knew I could do a good history taking and I can do a good as part of surgeons. I was able to assist with monitoring the patient's condition. So I could look after him on the ward and coordinate with a follow up meeting so I can carry out jobs. And I also scrubbed in and observed surgeries. So I showed that I could do some of the jobs that an fy one would do. And I've done that already with my internship. And again, when you do your responsibilities ago, I reviewed clinical cases. I completed the daily ward rounds with them. I wrote detailed progressive notes. So I knew how to do the documentations and I did the physical examinations for them. And this basically will then show that I can do an fy one job and you put this for every internship job to show that you've done something in each rotation to show that you can work as an fy one. So don't leave this blank, fill this in because any blank spaces looks negative on your application form. And again, if you write a paper CV for local agencies, you can then just basically copy and paste this under your section where it goes for um working history. And this is where the supporting information all comes into. And again, you don't want to leave anything blank. OK? So the first thing they will ask about your practical experiences. So I say just put them down so you can put a puncture catheter, even if you can't do it, just put it down because when you start your job, you'll be able to learn it and you can ask for help. Everybody asks for help. Um You can even say you've done it under supervision as well and then you can just write basically what your experiences are and how this, how you're basically able to be this do. So, in this case, I wrote that I was an fy one, but in your case, you're right. You've done an internship driven to fy one. And through these posts, you've worked uh attending ward rounds, clerking, patient, stabilizing, unwell patients, and you're dear to their values as well. And also what you've also work, you're very good working with team member and you're able to do these sort of procedures. OK? And then again, you wanna have some sort of teaching experience as well. So you don't want to leave that blank as well if you haven't done any formal teaching, always say that you've done some sort of informal teaching amongst your peers. So how is that good? Because you're willing to learn, you're willing to gain feedback and you're willing to work as a team. And that where teaching can come in again, research obviously speaks for itself, try and do a research, try and get a publication if you can. And as I said, it's not just good for your first job in the NHS. It will really help you when you go for um, specialty higher training posts, because even people that have got their first job and now trying to apply for I NT or CST, it's now like a rat race or race to try and get everything done. And when it's not possible, it's a lot easier while you're at university. So try and get these done as well. And again, you won't leave this section blank either. You would then have your management experience. So how, what do you organize? How is this, how does this make sure that you're a good, good manager, how you can show good leadership and you can work well in a team as well. Here it in teamwork. And also if you present somewhere good prizes, also count for something as well. So again, you don't wanna leave these sections blank. And so this was an example of what I usually put in my supporting information. So I broke it down in the cam P approach. So the first thing that I wrote was basically where I graduated from. Oops, sorry. Uh So OK, so where I graduated from, I mean, I put this initially and I left this in this presentation because I wanted to obviously speak about this as well. So when I first wrote this down and I showed someone, they asked me, what the hell was this? And um they basically said it doesn't count for anything. You've got your medical degree. So you can take that out. No one's gonna know what 5.07 or five is, even if you go to six, it doesn't matter. And someone gave me the example is that if you've got a six, but you have nothing on your CV. And you have another candidate who's got a three but has everything else on a CV. Who do you think they gonna employ, they're gonna employ the person with a three. Now, I know a lot of people will tell you no, actually six does count. It doesn't count. And even if you're lucky enough to persuade the up higher specialty that you, that you've got upright or distinction or something, you only get two points and you've missed out getting 10 points on audits of research because you've just focused on that in my opinion. But as I said, do as well as you carry your exams. But I left this in because I think this is not really necessary when you apply for jobs because they already know you've got a degree. What's more necessary is basically that I've worked as an fy one in general surgery for the NHS that will count more because I've got NHS experience and then also showed my internship when I was at university, what rotations I did to show that I can work as a doctor and also what courses I did. Um So when I applied for this one, I did my B LS and then I was attending a LS which I've now completed. So I would say I've also completed my A LS as well. So this is when I was applying for my second job for Adam Brox. But it's similar to what you guys can use for your first job. And then I just showed basically my current job and clinical attachment as enabled you to experience with NHS. And then I use my ielts to demonstrate my com communication skills. So this is where you could mention what you did well, while in your Ielts test, because you've got good communication skills and it means that you can communicate with people. And then I touched on being part of it. The organization has helped me demonstrate skills, ability to work in a team and also organized CPD talks to help people's professional development and ability to understand and organize the importance of CPD. And I'm also helping students as well, which shows my enthusiasm and teaching and I'm also leading and undertaking audits, which I've already completed and it shows that I've done audits as well and won prizes. So I started off first all with my clinical and then I worked on to my academic and then I worked on this was still my academic stuff with all the stuff that I've done. And then I walk wrote a bit about my academ uh sorry management stuff. So which parts are I managing of and how this helps me be up as a leader. I work as a team and then I finally finished off with my personal, what I do in my spare time to show that. Um, um, I'm, I'm a good, I'm like a normal human being. I've got good work life balance as well and I'm quite esteemed and quite determined character as well. And actually, this is good as well because when you're in the interview as well, cos even the interview I had last week, they pick up on these things and you have something to talk about and they, you keep the interviews infused because when I had my interview and they told me to speak about myself. When I spoke about all of this stuff, she, she said it in like in a very nice way saying, oh, we wanted something brief, but you've actually done a lot so well done and it keeps them engaged and think, ok, this patient is this sorry, this candidate is a good candidate. So the, what I'm trying to stress is basically the more you do the better, especially when you're at university, when you're at eight. And I emphasize this again, you have so much more time at university than you do when you have work. So try and get most of these ticked off as soon as you can. And this is the most important part of your CV. Because once someone reads this, they will see, OK, this person has all the attributes that we need to employ and therefore you get forwarded to an interview. You don't want to leave any of these out, any of the essential criteria out and you don't wanna write, saying, well, I'm always intrigued. I'm enthusiastic, I'm into this, show them how you're doing that, you need evidence and show them. So that's what I usually put for supporting information. And again, I put like, um, an example of a CAM P approach, which is basically what you've graduated from and show you how you understand, you know, and understand what any works. Again, how you've done research and publications and done peer to peer teaching, you've done experience in leadership and management and how you can, how, how that works in the job and your personal as well. And when you're answering this question, always think about how you can use the example for how you're going to demonstrate and how you learn from your experience to make you as a better doctor. So some, some of the questions I always ask, how do you manage stress? How, what's your biggest achievement? What's something that didn't go? Right? And shows your character that you can overcome things and achieve. They wanna see these things to show obviously that you are a doctor. So always think through your experiences both clinical or nonclinical and find examples that you can learn from and spend some time considering why, why you learn and why and how this will improve your practice and this will make you more of a general doctor and they will see that you've actually done stuff as opposed to just writing it down for the sake of it. And again, it's evidence as well and improves your chances. So, so as I said, you'll get like, why did you choose this role? So again, the trust values comes into it. So improve respect, inclusion are always a three that you should always think about how you're always in inclusion, how you always show respect and how you always improve and how you always want to learn. So what we could wrap up basically before we take questions is what to do as a medical student at university. So as I said, I touched on do some clinical attachment or experience as well as clinical experience. So even if you work as a HC A or nurse do that because it will give you some NHS experience, he'll give you the NHS reference and that looks better on your CV. Because you'll always get a consultant to be your um referee, get involved in research. There's a lot of um uh conferences where you are trying to present something there, getting all your publications, publications, the name author, first order gets you far more points than anything else along with audits. So start audit very early and it will help you again, not just getting a job, but when you want to apply for higher audits, speaks for itself. Again, if you lead an audit, you lead a double two cycle audit, you present it somewhere, you get maximum points. And ideally if you can do research and audits and a bit of teaching, you're basically there to match the I MT and then it's basically just your um interview. So you can, you can kind of take off I MT as well if you do this early as well, get involved in societies. So I know leadership and management have come out of the official um scoring system for I NT and C SS T. However, do not ignore it completely because in the interview, don't expect you to mention leadership and management. So you should still continue with it and show it because in the interview it'll give you points at 10 conferences because it gains CPD. It shows your con your um continue with practice when it comes to your appraisal as well. You can show them you've continued practice even when you were out of work, attend workshops for practical skills. Some things you could probably learn as well is probably good prescribing and acknowledging how to handle emergencies as an NHS doctor. Again, you can learn that by going to workshops. So these are some of the things I would say, you should probably aim to tick off while you're at university because it will help you for the long run as well. Uh These are some of the materials you could go through that will give you some sort of advice on what you can do. Um I think these will be shared anyway on the meal app and that's it with my presentation, but I'm happy to take questions as well. So I know there's quite a few now in the box. So I will go through them for supporting information. I've put what I've learned from experience as mentioned above, showed examples for leadership being a team player, mentioned good communications characteristics and job. So try and structure in that part in the process, I told you and try and look at their um essential criteria and desirable criteria. And basically you can use the same application with different jobs but just cater it to different um different jobs. So if you're going for a medical job, try and tailor it to how you're medically, if you're doing surgical, how you're doing for surgical, et cetera. But use ACM EP approach and try and count as many things in your CV as you can. And it really does help. Um Is there any particular way to obtain opportunities to present at conferences? So you can either do some sort of studies in terms of a meta analysis or you can ask for a case study or you can examine a database that you get a hold of and then look up conferences abroad, submit an abstract and apply for it. Again, I might say something more controversial. But I'll say anyway, I would say try to aim for conferences away from Bulgaria simply because I believe when you go abroad, you will see how much even other medical students in the UK do and how you can improve yourself. And by improving yourself, you become better and actually you will learn a lot more. So in my case, I first presented at one in Pleven and then I presented at IBC in Sophia. But then I went to Holland afterwards as well. And I realized how much Holland was good and that helped me then build myself up to them, being able to write papers, being able to develop my research skills as well. So I would, if I was you, I would look up conferences in Europe and you'll probably find them on Twitter, Instagram or Google, submit an abstract and just go to those conferences. Um What you should also do as well is build networking network with people with similar ideas because they can help you improve yourselves. And even for you guys, when you're applying for jobs as well, try not to be like other people and and try and not share information, share as much as you can. That's what we try to do as landscape because at the end of the day, you're all in the same boat and you're not in competition with each other, you're in competition with yourself. So any help you can get is obviously helpful to try and help each other through, to get through things in terms of getting your CV and stuff and apply for jobs. Any other questions from anyone? As I said, it's a free open space. So feel free to ask anything if you want me to explain anything more or if you want something explained again, just put it in the chat. Bye or something wasn't clear. You can tell me as well. Uh I wanted to ask some things. So uh for CV, if you have a longer CV, um do you think it's uh like bad because no one going to go through like too many pages or I think for medically wise as well. Um No one really looks at CV to be honest with you, like everyone looks at your NHS track application. So most of your jobs will be through NHS tracks. The only thing that you need to submit a CV for is when you apply for local agencies. So local agencies have as big as you want. It doesn't really matter in terms of writing. So when people say write a CV, you're not gonna really use a CV to apply for jobs, you're gonna use NHS tracks, NHS jobs. Even if you go for fy two standalone or other jobs later on, you will apply for the proof called Aureol. And again, it will be the same subsections as it is in NHS tracks. So I would say if you have a longer CV. And then you can then copy and paste off into the application and that'll make it easier for you then to apply for jobs. If you try to keep your CV short, you'll then have to spend more time to try and elaborate when you apply for jobs. So I tended to keep mine long anyway, even on a piece of paper because then I can copy bits and pieces onto where I need it. Um Because as I said, for medical jobs moly you won't be sending off your CV. You'll be applying for a portal. Thank you. I think we have more questions. Yeah. So are there any courses you could recommend to improve NHS application apart from B LS and A LS? Yeah. Do the teacher teacher course. That's a good course. It's a two day course. I know they're all money. That's a two day course. Um And probably do the A course S Ta RT for the Royal College of Surgeons. If you're looking for surgery, do the C crisp course. Um There are probably some of the courses that you can do to improve your application. But also as I said, attend conferences, they will probably countless courses as well that can improve your NHS um applications. Are there any conferences that come up that you would recommend? Uh So most of the ones I know usually happen around February, March, April time. Again, it will cater to what you're interested in. So I'm more surgically inclined. So I usually went for a, as GBI. Um there was also an audit surgical audit conference but they happened in March April. Um The one I was talking about in Netherlands that happens in June. Um I think there's two upcoming in Bulgaria. So if you're in Bulgarian just probably just go for it anyway, because it will still add points. I think. Um Meath have one IBC has one and then there will probably be some in the new year. Ok. Besides me. Ok. Is it possible to knock an F I two job after finishing F I one, even if Crestor is signed off and everything. So usually, um sorry, sorry. So usually, um when you get an Fy two job, it's very rare that you'll get a quest form signed off. But in the likely when you get your crest form signed off, you will get a job as an Fy Two. I guarantee you that um again, don't listen to people when they say they're getting struggles getting a job because as soon as you've got the NHS experience doors open more. So as I said, if you've got a full CV and a top of NHS experience, you will get an Fy two job. Um Even if you don't, you can get another fy job, fy one job anyway, and you can apply for entire training if you get the quest form signed off. Uh Besides P LS and LS. What other course do you recommend? So, as I said, teacher, teacher course start course cri course are some of the courses that you can do uh do CPD courses as well. They count as well. So anything with CPD attend them as well? I will leave you um probably join our whatsapp group if you haven't or I'll give you my um number at the end of the chat as well to contact me. Would you suggest emergency symposium, oral poster is being promoted? Ok. Yeah, so go for that as well. Um Just see what they say on the certificate as well. Hopefully it'll say international conference as well. Go for that, get a certificate. It will still count as some sort of presentation even if it's regional. If you haven't got anything as a presentation so far, still go for it. You'll still count in your CV. And it still has something. So I would definitely consider going for it if you haven't heard anything else so far? Ok. OK. Anything else from any other questions? And I'm just leaving you my number in the, in the chat. You can also join the uh Scape whatsapp. And if you guys want your CV, checked individually, we hold that service as well. So send us a message, we'll attach you to one of our doctors, they'll set up a one on one meeting with you, go for your CV. And they also do a mock interview for you. So that's something we provide free as well. So again, don't hesitate, just feel free to ask anything. And is there anything else anyone wants to ask? I know you mentioned Europe conferences. But if we present, yeah, so UK is I was trying to incorporate UK with Europe if you present a UK conference, brilliant because that will count more on your CV. Like if you present something like asset or a S TBI, that counts a lot, lot more than if you present somewhere in Bulgaria. So definitely do if you could get a UK conference, definitely, I'd definitely definitely say go for that. Uh Yeah, so when you say so when we say CV, check, you can just um send in your application as well, we can review your application as well and we can also give you where you, we will give you ideas where you can improve it as well. So I mean, when I say a CVI would say your CV is basically your application because as I just mentioned before, you don't really said on CV, you fill in an application, so just send in one that you've done already and we can try and review it and see where we can improve it, et cetera. Cool. Um Also good to let you guys know as well. Um We have upcoming two upcoming talks this week. So one is on the third of October by Doctor Kevin De Souza on VT prophylaxis, DVT and Pul embolism. Um We also have a talk on the sixth of um October as well by um Doctor Fawaz Khalid will be doing it on the process of geriatric medicine. For those of you in Bulgaria who want to do the B LS course, we have some B LS courses coming up. Um If you send us a message on whatsapp or follow our Instagram, um you can sign up for one of those courses as well and you have to be in Bulgaria for that. And those of you are not aware, we still have some limited places available for our next in person workshop where you will get hands on skills with venue, puncture, cannulation, catheterization at assessment, some basic suturing, analyzing ECG SX rays. Um and ASC test that will happen in London in person. There's still limited places. So you can probably sign up for that. That's worth the 12 C, 12 CPD points. You can put that under courses and CPD as well. So get in contact with, with us again, if there's anything after this talk or if there's something now, feel free to write the chat now or if there's anything you wanna ask me afterwards, feel free to reach out. Um I'll always try to reply and if I can't manage some of you, I'll obviously allocate it to other people on the team to do it. Um So we'll go try and expand outside the London borough, of course days, we will try, we will try. Um There's just a couple of things that we need to get in place first. So I think for the foreseeable future it will be in London because of the costs approach, but just keep an eye on Instagram, we will try to expand eventually. And as I said, if you guys need anything, um always feel free to just whatsapp Me again, I'll put my number again, just feel free to reach out. Um I'm happy to answer any of your doubts or help you with any questions uh Before we wrap up, is there any more questions from anyone? So in the meantime, guys, I will uh add the feedback form. So if you fill this up please and you'll get your certificate. Mhm. Oh yeah. And please provide your feedback because it helps us as well. Even if we haven't done something to meet your needs, at least if you tell us for next time, we can try and improve it as well. So I would find it really beneficial if you can give me feedback as well. Yeah, I will get the mic thing fixed for the next talk. Sorry about today. Actually didn't realize that's completely fine. So just one last time, any other questions, guys or anything before we wrap up, if not, uh good luck to all of you. And as I said, just to close off, don't listen to negativity or outside speech, you will get a job. I guarantee you, if I got a job, you guys will just stay focused, keep going and you will get it. If people tell you this saturation and difficulty, don't believe them, just keep going. And I promise you you'll get a job if you fulfill all the CV requirements. So work hard on your CV. Just continue to work hard as you guys are doing. You guys are doing great as well because you're obviously gonna get a medical degree as well. Just keep going and you will get a job and if you need anything, just get in touch. Ok? Thank you very much and we, we just have like few more minutes and then we'll just uh close the talk. Cool.