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so I believe that we've gone live now. I told you out there for Ah, that now we've gone life. Okay, I was looking for the red light to go up, but it wasn't quite sure. Uh, I told everyone out there listening to this next on the ultimate upset in the F three Siris for 2022. Um, would somebody just be able to drop a message in the chat just so we know that this is actually working, we're not just talking to ourselves. Um, everybody's had a great day on midweek Wednesday, half way through another busy week. I'm sure for the majority of people out there on, we have a very interesting and educational opportunity here for, um you will with ah, Doctor Ross Jarvis, who has spent his time as a ah, as a teaching fellow educational demonstrator working alongside you can, um, exciting on day thought, provoking bits and pieces to deliver in the next series of the exception of the F three Siris. Um, just the way that nobody's posted in the chat. So I'm hoping that we are there. We are alive and that you can hear things go. So we definitely. Uh, definitely. Every everything is is Look, so that was working in the way it should. Currently, we'll press on, will press on. So I'm gonna We're leaving in the hands of ah, Ross. Um two. Ah, perfect. Lose weight. So we're live good. Yeah, go ahead. Russ s o Russell is a bit of a presentation for us first, but I'll leave him to introduce himself and take it from there. Good. Thanks. S Oh, yes, I'm Russ. I'm currently a GP trainee in South Manchester s. Oh, I thought it would be a good idea is to put a small sort of 10 minute presentation together just about, um, taking enough three in education. What? That involved, um, on just my experience is from it. Really? And so I'm going to try and just share my screen. Now, if I can, um, let me see if I can do that. Give me two seconds. Okay, guys, come. People's to see my screen. So can you see that? Not at the moment. Not at the moment. Should try again. Give me two seconds. Can you see it? Now? Let me try again. Yeah, I see that. Eso I can't currently, is it? So you're using present now and yeah, so clicking on present. Now, um, let's have a look. Just entire screen click on that and then just press share. Hopefully, that should be working. And let's try and know the life. All right, guys, I'll just give it one more go. If I just think that's absolutely fine. So I don't wanna delay too much on this That the technology can always be a bit have has this camp. I'm hoping that machine my screen should be shared, but it doesn't look like it's doing it. Let me have a look. There's any reason why? Uh huh. No. Doesn't look like it's gonna do it. I'll tell you. What should I just speak about? My experience is yeah, I think that's the best. Yeah. So basically, guys s Oh, I'm just here to talk about my experience. Is, is an educational fellow on so sad on on, uh, Christian have kindly invited me to speak about, um, again from a, um f three perspective, um, teachings. One of those things that a lot of people may have thought about or potentially not even heard about, so it will be, hopefully a good experience for you guys just to get some idea over what teaching involves how to get into it, some pearls, some things to consider it. It's the right thing for you. Um and just my general experience said it, Um, so in terms of teaching, if there's anybody in the trap that just like to post their thoughts on where they're up to about the moment, what what position they're currently in, where abouts they are. And if they've had any experience in teaching. And if they thought that maybe applying for teachers and three and just get some conversation going that be really useful. Um, on in the meantime, just going back through to my background, I think it's really important that a lot of people will take me three because they've never really had any time out of the education pathway that were just constantly stuck in a stock tres or people training through medical school. And so I didn't take Gap Year applied for university straight after a levels. It was the year before the tuition fees went up, which makes me feel really old. Now what a sudden sugar there is no opportunity. I was unfortunately, the year after So s O. Essentially I was quite getting steak up here, but I didn't have the opportunity to do that. And so basically went straight into university trained in Manchester, integrating global health is my first are very and so small break from mets. And, um after that I made a very last minute application for an education F p which I managed to do in Bold said I did my foundation trade in there with the focus on education is an AFP ultimos quite different in that we didn't get a block. We got days per week or half days per week depending on what rotation that we reserve is part of that. We got to start the PG certain medical education on Go. We just completed one module with that which was a good introduction of education. But by no means if you're thinking of a plane for an educational fellow job, did you need to have any formal qualification to apply? So definitely don't let anything like that put you off. If you're not in FPV, you've not really got any formal qualifications in education. It's really not a prerequisite on t go into education. Um, as as an f three. Really eso after that in terms of my thoughts on a three, um, cause I think it's really important to think about why you're applying for another three. So at the time, I'm currently a GP training now. At the time, I was thinking of applying for surgery. I had done a couple of posters, presentation publications, nephron off off based on surgery and just decided after doing all that, I really wanted to take some. Yeah, that's fine. Did you feel that you're so you're you're Dr Pursue FP. Was that related to your aspirations, Teo Follow surgery? Or did you always feel that you had that interest in in being an academic foundation? Training eso I think it's sort of stems from two parts. Really? So I did have an interest in education and agents, one of those things where it doesn't matter what you do, teachings always going to be a part of it, and you develop an interest in it and to be good at is always a good thing. Other thing that, and the reason why my application was last minute, was basically a lot my housemates were playing for at the time on, you know, that there was no sort of downside to a plane for having the worst that they can do. Is you just going to foundation trading without the FBI, which is what the majority of people do. You know, I think the main thing really was just having the extra time to develop an interest in something. Yeah, which I found really beneficial. Yeah, Yeah, s so I guess that was where the interest in education really really stemmed from on going in, going back into why I decided to take it at three. So I had an interest in education what was sinking with applying the surgical trading at the time, but didn't want to go straight into it on education. As I just said, One of those things where you can get that there's always points for education. No, no matter what you apply for, I think in some applications rankings, it's even an equivalent to having a PhD or a masters in subject. So just having ta points for education, which taking a year out in education should give you yeah, is something that will always be beneficial to you in any application. Yeah, from the lifestyle perspective, I just wanted a break after five and a shot in training on my partner is also a doctor. India's basically that was the year behind me, so going abroad would be very difficult. And so and that going abroad with something. That and I think if we were in sync, we we may have done. And obviously at the at the time it would have meant we're leaving her behind as I swung in Australia. Teo movie. Exactly. So So basically working abroad wasn't something that that that was really on my agenda time. Ah, another said I was thinking of fine on surgery at the time. So it's just extra points for applications. An extra time to sit the exams. Really? Yeah. So I Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So in terms of the actual you know. So what? Why education that that sort of drew me so lots of different reasons. I really enjoyed teaching at the time. I found it quite rewarding. Um, teachings a really good place off. Share your experiences that that you've had, especially if you teaching quite a junior medical students it's, you know, everything. I'm sure we've all heard that story from a senior doctor that just completely shocked you are like, baffled you and you couldn't believe was just like standard practice. So you're able to share your experiences is always interested. I really wanted to work with all the so people that wanted to take some time out in a bit more of a Children barium in just from a sort of like lifestyle point of view in terms of other things. Education's another string to you both. If anybody's ever had any thoughts that they might want to work in medicine but not do clinical work, education's a great way to get into that and doing it as an F three's a great girly start. Eso, from that point of view, was an extra string to you about is, um, a really good reason to think about doing in our three and education in terms of myself, My job was completely non clinical, so it was just wanted to Friday 9 to 5 know week and no one calls no nights, which was something I was really looking forward to. Yeah, Did you Did you know that that was what you wanted. You wanted a role where it was when you were looking where you're looking for a party education, part clinical, Or did it just so happened that you were focused on? I just want to educational. And yes, So I think I would have been happy doing one or two days a week, and I think definitely in in my local area. So I'm based around Manchester. Yeah, in in my local area, I knew they were jobs, that soul food that were between sort of 2 to 4 days a week. Clinical with just being education. I knew there were jobs up around Manchester Union you climb, which is where I didn't work in that range from, you know, four days we clinical to zero clinical s. So and but for me, looking at the jobs out there and where I was a matter a knee in and just want a bit of time out after foundation, not clinical. Was that the best route for May? But it depends if you if you want, if you really want to develop an interest in something, you know? So you're really keen on any any? That There's lots of, like, eating educational fellows, you know, you can develop some exposure to any is Ah, you know, it was almost like a middle grade S h o post step to retrain in there where you can fit like a nice niche. Similarly in medicine. You know, there's quite a lot of medicine, educational jobs, you know? So you'd be on the road, you know, you wouldn't pretend potentially know, even on on call rotor. But just doing, you know, a specialist. I interest you with some form of education alongside it. Yeah, I had a lot of friends that it's similar things for that as well. Yeah. Oh, perfect. That's really good. And on. So you're What was your average day? Like when you when you were, um, on the on this Ah, educational rotor. Each pathway? Yeah. So it's a shame account, shame. A presentation, actually doing a timetable, you feel focused. Way. And so So I guess going back to so just briefly before we talked on that tracking sightly. One of the things that is really important if you're looking to do an education job, is the split of your day. What? You're going to be treated as eso. Are you just a doctor that does education are Are you Are you Will you be treated as an academic eso at the university? So I was entirely university based and we had academic contracts. So, um, by way of that, we in our clinic in our day we had time to prep eso. We weren't putting presentations together at home the night before, you know, it was all very quite regimented in the contract. Eso my typical day would be, you know, anything from half a total sex. But most of the prep time was in the afternoon. So usually from about lunch time onwards was prepped time. Most days there was one, maybe two days, depending on the week where we'd work sort of full days if you're lying from nine till six. But most days we finished teaching about one. Unless there was anything specific on it afternoon and most of the time we were about we were It's game of about eight f three slash or four doctors with sort of support from GPS that also works at the union Or there clinicians A swell if somebody a m P s and physician associates on. Do you know, we We tended Teo in terms of my team. Specifically, we all had that standard rotor on Ben. You know, we take interns to do the you know, we'd be wrote it for, like, the extra sessions, for example. You know, one symbol that they might be a portfolio session. That, too, it was had to attend out of the group, and so that that was rooted in for us. But most of the time, you know, the teaching today was finished up one, and and we just did prep after that. And so you could you proper home prep up the union? Yeah. It depends on what it sounds like. It's really It was really full on in terms of of, ah, education. And the teaching aspect of it is, Well, you sort of our like a you like a medical school teaching to a certain extent for, you know, definitely. I mean, that that that's exactly what we weigh was purple and on cocoa and in terms of what we talked. Yeah. Yes. So and basically, if you can think of everything you would start in the first two years of medical school. You are from the more specialist lectures where you had to have sort of detailed subject in a little, John. Like the basic science. Yeah, we did everything so and we we wrote it. Fair communication skills, clinical skills. Um, um, examination scales. And so we were involved in anatomy as well. It's of demonstrating, But mainly our role was the clinical rotation. So they had not To me demonstrators that works at the you know, a you were trained in anatomy is I had, like, you know, degrees masters on day would develop this fashion. What we would be that would be to provide the clinical spin on it. So, service context? Yeah, exactly. Exactly. You know. So say, for example, if the week is on there, you know, like the K u B system, our you know, the after mists would mean we take them through, you know, the structure of the kidney. You know, the ureter, etcetera, etcetera. Our role would be, you know, where the three common places that stones can large. Why is this important? What? How much somebody present clinically. But we also did need to know some of the anatomy to be able to see that perception. Eso It was trying to make everything that they learn have a clinical application. Yeah, extents. Having said that again, I know people that did enough. Just pure anatomy demonstrating that, you know, wanted to live like surgery on the radiology. And they were very heavily anatomy focused. Yeah. And so it just depends really what you're playing for on what you want our that and I'm so I was thinking of a fine for surgery. The the anatomy aspect was a drawer. But again, I'm not having toe know Remember the big and after tax book, like, what was the big anatomy taxable? Cause he's the one that was probably orientated s. So, you know, you didn't tell me about, like, the back of the throat pack and a half. Yeah. I didn't know to know that. It needs to know the textbook like the back of your hand. And the good thing was the sessions with practice fans and we had a you know, we had a good report with the anatomy. Is that work? You know, they go in States was Oh, I was thinking of Well, you know, this week we have to teach that, you know, from a clinical aspect. What? What's the important part? This that the students need to know. You know, most of the time, the sessions we're planning both was like new things. They were introduced in our they wanted to, you know, see how they could involve works then that that was a great way to do it. Really? Yeah, yeah, on guessing some, some other things we talked. So we had a And so we were, like, had a portfolio group of our own that we liked looked after for the year near about eight 11th year students. And, you know, they uploaded there, like, you know, similar to Horace. I guess. So. They uploaded the reflections like patient encounters. And, you know, we had to, like, Mark that portfolio, give them feedback. And so I think what else we does. And we did some, like, simulation stuff at the end of the year. That was really fun. Yeah. Yeah, we had a couple of sessions where we did like, escape room style, like stimulations, the ones that was good fun. We did like deep like clinical debrief with them when they went on their like clinical. Um, yeah, it was really good fun. Every a real mixed bag. Yeah. How much control did you have over say? This type of activities that you wanted to conduct? Was it sort of like there was a specific structuralist, a specific amount of a certain type of session that needed to be delivered? Or did you have sort of free scope to really be creative with how you were presenting your your educational materials? Yes. I think that's a really good point. Absolutely. So basically, the university has a curriculum. Well, where you work? Yeah. Were employed to deliver that curriculum. Yeah. Eso it waas. In some ways, it was quite, you know, obviously was a schedule. You know, they're on their heart lungs and would block. They have to learn about these things that are assessments. Eso each week had a theme on DWI. Deliver that Seem where we would either be on clinical skills are anatomy for like that was like the bulk of the week. Know if the clinical, you know, if say, for example, they're on their heart, lungs and blood or whatever. The semester's were called on dot week was cardiac exam. We teach them how to do a cardiac some, you know, in whatever you know, we might do that session four times to get all of the years done on. So in that sense, you know, if you could just feel like eating cranial nerve six weeks, I'm going to do cranial between something different drug. Okay, Exactly. Go go completely row, you know, So from that point of view, you have to teach what? You know what the topic Waas and they had, like, online material that was university sat so they knew the mark schemes. You know, they saw a new the mark schemes that they'd be tested on by the end of the air s. So we had to make sure we didn't deviate too much from that terms of how you taught it. The students would come into the skills up we'd take between, you know, self 6 to 10 students and we'd deliver. That's that many group session by ourselves. So if you want, you know, if he wants to be quite formula, could be like teaching cardiovascular exam. I'll show you how to do it. This is, you know, like like an interactive board with those are whatever. So you could, like, bring your load up their website, You know where they get all of the information. You know, they're Internet on, but, you know, go through it. From that point of view, if you wanted to be a bit more creative than us and their thoughts what they don't before what it's seen and then go into the session. You could do that. So going back to the question, Yes, I know you had to eat anterial into that. There was a university approved material that was there a week. We had a meeting to discuss what we were going to teach the following week. So if there was anything that we strongly disagreed with that when then we could say actually, in practice like this just isn't done And say, for example, there was, um that the very pleasant topic of genitalia exam, which came up and they were going on quite old tax book, which recommended because in places that really shouldn't be because I wear recommended know you find a lump anywhere you're going to get ultrasound it You know, the question is useless, you know? Yeah, in that type of situation. So, you know, from up, like, if you were able to, like, add it, limited aerial and, yes, bring bring things more today because some of the material, you know, might have seen, you know, out of daycare needed refreshing year on year. Some of the material being developed, like a few years ago. We need to update. And so, again, that was part of our role. If there was anything we came across that was very our day or, you know, there was a tweak in, like, our day to day practice, and we all read on on that we could add it from that point of view. Yeah. Amazing. Uh, did you feel that the obviously you say you come into this roll on left three. Just finish your foundation training on now you're focusing on. It's a a really solid educational block. Did you feel comfortable in your role teaching, Say, finally, a medical student. So or, um, non clinical is having been so soon out of a matter foundation training out of university yourself. What? What was your experience? A lot. Yeah, I think you saw forget because most it because we were university based on most of the students were teaching with From that point of view, they were, you know, didn't really know a huge amount. So anything new? Yeah, that comes with its own pitfalls because you need to make sure because they will probably cling to what you're you're you're setting, don't you? To send extent? Yeah, exactly. It's like I don't know if you're watching Cuba and Stephen Fry tell you, just accept it. So there's always that pitiful that you can fall into. So you do need to make sure that you have a comfortable with what you're teaching on. Likewise, you know, we had things that between the group of us, you know, say, for example, one of the flats was applying for anesthetic. So it was, you know, one of the girls supplying crops and guy near couple of us just didn't know what we were going to do at the time, was had very different jobs before, you know. So there was a lot even within our agree, we had a lot of different experiences in foundation, so enable to get to each other. And so actually, you know, I'm not quite you know, this session I'm teaching have no really got a huge amount of experience on like and read through it. What, like, what do I need to know? You know, and you could, like, set standards like that as well, so so discussed things amongst yourselves, which was which was great because often even on a wild saying, You don't really have the chance to do that. And you don't always feel comfortable on a wild saying things like that where, you know, in a teaching environment, it's especially if you get on with the people. Were I mean, we did like, we're all still in touch now, and this is a means of years ago, you know? Eh? So from that point of view, is way were able to discuss things quite openly, make sure we were all comfortable with what we were teaching. And if there was that something anybody didn't want to teach, then we could say, for example, if there were bits of anatomy that people just really didn't want to do, we targets it. The anatomy sessions based on what people knew all who can't go into So say, for example, the you know, my friend. That was what wanting to do labs. And I need that. You know, a lot of the anatomy from that was, you know, she saw the taco set, took more of a hand in those sessions. The last that was applying for radiology Just wanted to do it after me all the time. She was quite happy, you know, if like, one of those wanted to do some examination skills or communication skills instead, So yeah, so it's quite flex like that as well. Yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying is a sound like it's pretty flexible, actually, you get Teo, teach what you're interested in, But if you do want to push yourself and sort of go in the deep end of it, then you have the opportunity to obviously teach things that you may not be as comfortable with this Well, and I guess it's a great learning experience for yourself. Well, because it's sort of like a revision process, but you have a bit more context. If it were stones, find you. Yeah, definitely. I think that was part of it is well, he's like going back through some like basic signs and gosh, I should really know and reality. Yeah, no. So So for example, one of the lectures there. It worked in the states for, like, years, and she was called sues. And I think she was, like in, like, a late 67. It couldn't suppressed in Teach neuroanatomy. Wow. And I Yeah, exactly. In a couple of fashion. And she liked the entire session on a sort of more, more like a lecture. Yeah, we, you know, a couple of us went down is to sit in and just go over things. And, you know, it really helps you recall stuff that you wouldn't have done. Just going right back down to basics. You know, it is never a bad thing. Is a doctor? Yeah, and just going back of it. So when you first decided that you wanted to pursue this opportunity, how did you go about actually trying to arrange this? Or how did you go about applying for these these roles? Did you? Was it through word of mouth? Did you search online? What was the process in your mind in terms of trying to obtain and educational roles, which is this? And yes. So in terms of this job specifically. So there was So when I was an F 11 of the f to use had gone on to do this job. Okay, I'm told one of my friends about it. He was also, you know what wanting to do with the three s. So we we sort of applied together and there was enough post, both of us. So it was more three word of mouth. Then again, just in preparation for this presentation just to see what's out there at the moment and just a quick Google live yet clinical fellow. You know, teaching fellow jobs and HS will put you onto lots and lots of different jobs. And I even the role that I've date is currently on, you know, being up the next round of people in August. So again, there's plenty of post out there. It's just going, and it's only a Google search, Really. I think NHS job is still the main place, but again, you know, sometimes you just go on the university webpage going to be any chest jobs website and the poster out. Yeah. Would you advocate ever so emailing emailing university or emailing hot sauce build trust. Um, say the Post graduate office, for example, if they potentially have rolls available or may know how to put you into contact with somebody who has a bit more information, it would Would that be suitable the evening? Yeah, definitely. I don't see why. I know. I mean, the worst thing people can say is there's not a job available or not reply. Yeah, exactly. All the debris fly, which I don't know, which is worse. Uh, especially if it's a place where you were before. Because, you know, by the end of foundation, I mean people's programs. A good friend. I did mine and bolts. And in the entire two years with you'll stop the one hospital. Obviously, in different parts of the country, you might bounce between hospitals and your foundation. So if there's jobs there that you've seen that people have done, um, I wouldn't be afraid to just email the education. People that have been just said, you know, I'm finishing my foundation trade, and I would be quite getting to an education job. Is there anything available? You know what? What type of skills are you looking for? You know, Is there anything that. I need to know when I'm applying on drink people, you know. Don't mind doing that. All Yeah. Perfect. Maybe that's amazing in terms of your year. So it was a F three year. Yeah. Um, you obviously gained a lot of skills. You've obviously had that time to develop yourself as an educator. I'm Was there any formal quantification or any formal work that you had to do towards, say, maybe a PG certain? Or was there anything that counted towards that wall and in terms of applying for the job or what I got from the roll from the role from the role And so I've gone into the interview asking about yeah. So again, at our interview, if you think about one of these jobs, you can ask, you know exactly what opportunities were available for you. And I did that my interview. So I had completed the first of three modules in the medical education PG, sir. The one in is the job on my F pay. Yeah, They said I should be able to transfer my credits over from a chill to you can, which, which I did on been they so different places do different things. Um, will fund it for you. Yeah. We'll just give you the opportunity to study it. You can was a halfway house where we got 50% off. So, like, a staph discount on any course. Okay. Well, yeah. So they let me transfer my credit over. I think three or four of the other guys I work with hadn't done that. Hadn't started it before, so they just did the entire thing of half price. They let me transfer my credits over again. It's something you can ask. Know? Different places do different things at at you climb. They were thinking of setting up like a point of care. Access ultrasound course with one of the radiologist. That's all at the unit. Eso we were Start the test dummies. That course. Okay. Oh, they So when when we started, they gave us, like a introduction to ultrasound course, which is still got the civic it for, you know, using ultrasound. You know, bloods cannula, an introduction central line, you know, image in people's abdomen's. We like to look at each of this. I write you a do you do, eh? So, yes. So especially if you are university. There's so many different opportunities at university available. Eso If there's anything you have an interest in, just ask and see what they say. Yeah, cool on both. What? What do you feel was the most positive or the best aspect of of your rollers as an educator and not for your inspiring you don't I trying to think of the best thing. I mean, the people that I did it with great your doctors that were there, uh, you know, I applied with one of my friends, and then there any dog just being, you know, eight. Well, I mean, seven or eight. Was that every well, again, I'm still in touch with now s So that was great. There's a lot of you know, people that want to do a three's for this reason, have a break from clinical work experience. So that was fantastic on. And I guess you know, from a more academic point of you getting the PG certain was great. Um, being able to get some feedback on teaching was good. If you're applying for anything that uses the points based system, then having a PD, sir, and teaching experiences, you know it can really, you know, accepts your score apart from all the candidates. Really? And yeah, definitely. Just having a break, To be honest, that say, the best thing was just not being on an on call rotor. I mean, if that's the truth, that's the truth. You know, I was looking I was looking for Yeah, I'm clinical. Well, that's a big well of of having a non training grade year, isn't It? Is the fact that you have the ability to determine exactly how you want to pursue it and take that time off. So, yeah, that's to me. That's something. You got a state? Yeah, because it has a positive definitely. What do you feel with the, um, not so positive aspects? I'm gonna avoid the word neck too challenging. Yeah. Yeah. So I guess it's like anywhere, Any department, a zit, pills and pitfalls. There was a couple of I don't know, I guess, like on any ward, there's, like, ward politics that, like a group in because we would not permanent members of staff. We, uh, you know, have some resistance is sometimes in my offer, in our opinion on, like, way would do an examination compared to some of the other stuff members that have been there for a long time thing, I guess from uneducated perspective as well. There was a couple of issues in terms of, you know, the different types of stuff members that you have teaching. So it ranged from, you know, sort of GPS that we're approaching retirement. Teo, you like people from all the healthcare backgrounds, like, you know, like a MPs are like nursing, you know, nursing perspective on gone. The whole. That's actually most people where most people were great. But you do have sometimes just disagreements on how something should be taught. What should be in the you should teach you, you know, except yeah, I'd say that was the That was mainly the biggest challenge. Really? How did you approach those sorts of situations? So we had a weekly meeting on a Wednesday in the morning where we discussed with, like, the the lead of that module. Okay, so the module lead was a GP. He couple days a week at the union, couple of days a week, GP. Yeah, and he was started The mediator. If there's anything that does, he practiced in and we, you know, sort of just come out with Proctor. You know, if you like, we were taking the share out. Just foundation, um, that there was, you know, a mediator there to go through, You know, if we had any concerns s. Oh, yeah. I'd say that was the, you know, that that was one of the main challenges. And I guess the other thing is, if you teach in students, you know, I guess even amongst medical students know everybody, you know, even at, like, thirsty. You know, a lot shoots. I have challenges. Might be away from home. And you clowns a bit of a weird medical school because it's relatively new. So it's got, like, a big international cohosh, which is great, because you need it for all different backgrounds. Different cultures. Like, what's different languages? Really, really good. Or at the same time you have that. You know, lots of people have that homesickness tight feeling or, you know, it didn't really want to be up medical too. Did you have much of a pastoral role with this as well? Yeah, Yeah, yeah. Okay. Yeah, because we were thinking particularly severe that you have to deal with in this role from, say, postal aspect. Yeah, so I mean, I think without getting into any specific. Oh, yeah. No. The hell Without getting into any specifics. We were the group of staff like that. The eight of us that were there because we talk everything. Yeah, you know, about from, you know, the lectures. So we with because we were the most similar age to the students. Yeah, you were, You know, like we were sort of. I guess it's like being the F one and a ward. Are the FT one a wild? You're probably the person that's they're the most. So if there's any issues on the water, you tend to know about the more people going to you on. There was pathways in place to escalate any serious concerns, which there were a couple. Well, you can expect that A university, You know, you've got a bunch. You know, you've got, like, a few 100. You know, start with 18 to 21 year old, like, you know, issues going arise. Yeah, That was probably the most challenging aspect of things on. You know, it's sort of being able to deal with that and discuss things and make sure they're beating. So investigate it appropriately on. Do you find the university? You know any university you go to if you are teaching role has ways to log all of these things and rest late two s. So we had this application way. If there was any big concerns, we could you know that, like, professionalism or like the development, all the, you know, more serious things. We could sort of documented order here, um, you know, escalates the right people, and then we'd get feedback on on those type of things and there were systems in place. But again, that that was maybe something I wasn't expected going into the job that may, you know, occasionally raised issues. Yeah. Um, Onda to finish our fun, what would you say is your top tip or your best piece of advice for somebody who wants to follow in your footsteps on actually pursue something like this. So I definitely say that the main thing really is just if you're taking the three in general, just have to think about why you're doing it for me. I want a timeout. Clinical work. And that was that the best thing that I ever did, I think it really reset my priorities and what I wanted and actually like coming off and on call Roto reevaluating what I wanted to do and having much, much better work, life, balance, really, you know, change what I applied for in the end, you know, from going going into it, thinking, you know, like I'll do some anatomy, other type of surgery, you know, having did portfolio towards and then coming out, actually quite like, you know, having you know, sometimes myself and like being or general, which is why the needle applying for GDP and, yeah, I just have to think about why, why you're applying cream. Really? If you want to do teach and specifically I'd say the main thing is I have to think about your clinical split because I did got locals alongside my non like my non clinical year. I picked up a few Logan's and then cove it in the march, which sort of changed how the university was functioning anyway. So then I saw defacto and, you know, going back to do a bit more clinical work. What do you have a think If you are a bit worried about the community schedule on, then definitely maybe think about applying for something that does have at least one day a week clinical, or, you know, if you will pick up locum in in an area that you've worked in before. So I I worked in a You knees enough to, and I could pick that. Locals, they're like jewelry, my foundation training. So I was quite happy just to go back. And I knew the staff that the consultants were very stable. You know, there wasn't ever a huge amount change in the department, so I was quite happy going back into that on again. You just think about if you're going to come out of clinical work for a while, just having something to keep you taking over. Um, be that in the job or outside of the job. Perfect. No, I think that's a beautiful statement. End on there. Really? Um, if anybody has any questions, it'll feel fruit posted on the chat. Um, otherwise, we'll give a few minutes for the questions, but otherwise, Ross, that's been absolutely fantastic talking. Even with the technical difficulties, I think that, um, part it's, um, a large amount of wisdom there for for a soul. So thank you very much for your time. Yeah, it's It's a pleasure. Yeah. You feel free to post anything in the chart. I'm more than happy to one's ready. Any questions you guys might have? And I went on from this to do it at four. In medicine before for treatment. If anybody has any thoughts about every single out train in, you have to reschedule. Yeah, I think so. If anybody has any concerns about taking in time out of training for whatever, just feel free to Teo. Ask. Um um, more than happy to share my experiences. Perfect. Don't forget guys to fill in the few back forms. Um, on. I just want to give a quick shoutout Teo medal for hosting us a metal or organization that provide democratized educational resources. Um, especially with regards to the medical field, Um, and have been allowing us basically, Teo host the F three Siris them on their their service, so ah, big shot at them. And also, I couldn't end this without mentioning the portfolio clinic. Um, of which I am, um, one of the co founders off support Everything is and the organization that provides personalized, practical and goal orientated, um, advice and support for those who wish to pursue training. Currently, uh, I'm t on an ascetics and CST training, but we also support foundation doctors in achieving their RCP requirements as well. So check out our website on, but it doesn't look like there's any questions. Is such s o. I think I might leave it at that roster. Absolute pleasure on thank you very much. Uh, catches next week, I'm hoping that Christian will be ah, fit and well, toe help hosts the final episode next week. Um, I know that a few people are missing Christians. Soothing voice, but you have done him justice job. Thank you. So, yeah, we'll catch you next week for the final episode in this series of the F three Siris. Um, yeah. Thanks very much. Ross. Once again on dope, everybody has a great week