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Everyone. So thanks for joining our careers webinar. Um If you're on this webinar, hopefully you're interested in either moving out to Australia to work as a doctor in the next year or the near future or you just want to find out a bit more about pursuing medical careers abroad and um are interested in trying something new. So I'm joined with a couple of different people. So I've got myself, I'm a junior doctor who moved out to Australia last year. I also have one of my other colleagues who's also called Chloe. She's also a junior doctor who's made the move to Melbourne last year. I'm also joined by the team from skilled medical. So they're a recruitment agency who recruit doctors across Australia, New Zealand and the UK. So we have um Suzie Will Harry and from the recruitment team here and they're going to be hoping to answer some questions and speak a bit about and their role in the process and answer some of your guys frequently asked questions um if there's any problems at any point um where you can't see the slides or something doesn't make sense and, and you have questions just feel free to write them in the chat and, um, we will get to them at the end or, um, address them as we go along. Um So we'll just make a start. Um, so if you're joining this chat and you're probably considering like a changing career and thinking about moving abroad. So there's loads of reasons why you might want to move abroad and try something new, moving to Australia personally, for me, I wanted to delay, like making a decision about what to do next. Um So like after finishing medical school and getting through foundation and nearing the end of F two, not having like a next step. And after having all of that structured education time and following through all the rotations and not knowing what to do next was um a bit of like a daunting thought. So a lot of people and it's very popular to move to Australia to do like an F three year and I actually hadn't never really considered that that would be something I would be interested in. I also thought I would want to move directly on to specialty training. But when the actual time had come around, that didn't really um wasn't really like an interest to be at that point. Um So I think delaying further training and like taking more time to work and like develop your basic medical skills um is quite like an important reason why people do F three alongside, that is obviously the opportunity to travel. And since I've been out here in Australia, I've been on like, probably five times more holidays than I would normally in a year because there's just so much to do in Australia. And obviously you're being on this side of the world, everything that I would want to visit and all these like amazing countries is a lot more feasible and it's like a lot closer to visit. So I've been to like the Philippines and been to Indonesia and stuff from here, which I probably would, would be like a once in a couple of years holiday from the UK and the weather has been amazing. Um Even like Melbourne winter has been pretty tame and um it's getting back into like peak summer time now, so the weather's been amazing. Um I think most people when they think of Australia are thinking that they will get better pay. So I think I would agree with that and I get better pay now in my current job compared to what I was getting in the UK. And I think probably the work life balance has been a lot better and you have a lot more opportunity to try like new things that you might be interested in. So I've been like scuba diving, you might try surfing and there's the Outback, there's so many places that you might want to visit and then there's obviously all the amazing and like famous Australian wildlife that and you might be lucky enough to spot. Um So I think when you're thinking about the process of making a move, most people want to know like how they could do it. Um So there's two main ways, one of them would be like, independently doing it. So just you finding a job and you completing the process yourself. That's how I personally done it. I didn't actually really know any other way when I'd done it, I just assumed that was what everyone had to do. But um there's a lot of recruitment agencies there that can help you now. So um we're joined by skilled medical. They will speak a bit to you about what they can do to help you and like how the process usually goes, but obviously through an agency, they will help you with um more of the like nitty gritty paperwork and stuff. Um My personal experience was pretty time consuming but straightforward. Um I personally was like sent a job by a friend. They had applied for a job through the health board Monash. That's a health board in Victoria. Um through their just official website. She basically sent me a job like posting, I guess of like an emergency department job for a year. And so I applied directly for that just because like, my friend was actually doing a similar post and that was sort of the extent of my actual job search. I find that applied online, just like an online questionnaire, uploaded CV cover letter, some references quite quickly after had heard back to do an online or like a recorded interview. Um, that was just a series of questions that you recorded yourself answering and then uploaded, um, quite quickly after I'd heard back. So sort of like ceased the job hunt there and didn't really venture any further into looking past Victoria. And once the job was secured, the paperwork sort of followed for several months and, and that was ongoing until the point of actually moving out, to be honest, um, the health check was probably the last thing I'd done prior to securing my visa and a week later booking my flights to and flying out then a few days later to Australia. Um So the, the length the process was quite lengthy and took me the guts of December to June getting a job and filling all the paperwork in that was probably largely related to like organizing, doing it while working. Took me just probably longer than it needed to, to fill everything in. Um Once you actually got out, I completed like some online training induction and then sort of actually like living here, uh, prior to start working. Um, my feelings now, looking back on it was there's actually quite a lot of jobs out there and I think I thought there would be a lot of people applying for a little amount of jobs but in reality there's tons of jobs. Um, and depending on how, like, picky you are, where you go and like, what exactly you do, I guess. But there's loads of jobs and they're looking to recruit people to come. Um, so I think there's plenty of options and plenty to pick from. Um, the paperwork personally for me was the worst part. Um, being like organized to do that and filling it in. Um, It's helpful if you have someone that you can do it alongside or obviously if you're going through someone who is able to help you, um, admin at my hospital did help a bit, but it was very like infrequent and very like vague and there was multiple issues with that. I think they're helping such a, a large volume of people alongside other stuff that it um can be a bit of a problem. Um There's a bit of an adjustment period. I personally felt like it took half a year to feel settled in the city or like Australia itself. And just because you're so far away from home and the time difference is quite a lot. So I think feeling settled took me quite a while and it's helpful if you know, people coming out because that was obviously makes the transition a lot easier. Um But there is quite a lot of I MGS and so there's probably quite a big like community of people that are in the same situation. As you. Um I've had like a really positive experience overall. So that's why I'm staying out here for another couple of fy 45. We'll see how that goes. Um Next part is so I'll upload these slides to medal. So you can have um a look or to the mind the page after for people that are wanting to apply. Um These are just things that I think you need when you're starting to apply through the process. So that'll be like some of your documents that you need, um, proof of address, start asking consultants that you work with, that you get along with to be your reference. Um, so that you have some and when you start applying for jobs and you might want to start like hunting down your vaccination history from occupational health GP. And that's that. And I'll leave these up at, at the end for people as well. These are, um, this is for Victoria, the top few. But I think if you're wanting to like browse the medical careers, if you go through the government site for each, um, sort of like area and there'll be a bit more about what jobs they have available. So I think Chloe wanted to speak a bit about like how she went through the process and so she'll do that and then, um, she'll hand over to skilled medical. Yeah. Hi. Yeah, I'm just going to speak about the actual step by step process. And a bit more detail and touch on the cost of each stage that we went through. So obviously, step one, as close said, is securing a job, whether that be you do it yourself or go through an agency. The things you should think about before um applying to a job is obviously where do you actually want to live and where would you actually want to work? I think me and Chloe got very trigger happy and we got sent one job when we applied for it. And then we're like, oh, we'll just do that. But it would be good to like browse about, think about where you'd actually like to live and what parts of Australia you'd actually like to see. Um, another thing to consider is what grade you're going to apply for. So if you're finishing F two and you're doing an F I three, you'll most commonly be looking for jobs that are called hospital, medical officer or resident medical officer. And that's for people who are post graduate year two or three. Um, and then you could also apply for unaccredited junior registrar jobs, which is most commonly people who are post graduate years three and four. and that's more for people that potentially have like a specific interest and you already know what career path you want to go down. You want to get more experience in that, um, area before applying for full training. Um, I think most commonly um when you hear about like your friends or like colleagues from the years above you coming out to work in Australia is always that they've done an D year. Um But there is a lot more jobs than an ed years, obviously, if you're interested in D then that's great. But there is other jobs there and for people who have other interests, so you can do like surgical years and roll, take through different surgical specialties. You can do critical care years that give you Ed and ICU and anesthetics and then you can just do general years which cover like the medical specialties. Um, so there is a lot of options out there that's good to look at. Um, another thing to consider is, um, your rota and what hours you're going to be working. Um, I think in the UK, we were working such heavy hours week on week. Um, but most jobs here you work 76 hours in a, in a fortnight, which usually looks like either one week on one week off or you'll just be working kind of your standard 36 hours a week and it's pretty consistent. Um, you don't ever really do over time. Um, which is good. Um And yeah, just like I said, just, I think definitely go to where you would want to live and want to see. Um, yeah, and then step two, once you've actually secured a job, the first thing you need to do is to apply to the Australian Medical Council um which is kind of similar to the GMC. Um and apply to Epic, which is an online portal where they verify that you actually are a doctor and have a medical degree and you do that over webcam. So I've just put the cost up there roughly costs about 300 lbs to register with the A MC and then about 55 lbs to do your epic um degree verification. Um And then once you do that, you can go on to your next day. Step three is um registering with, with ARA and which is the regulatory body that um you register to, to be able to actually practice as a medical practitioner in Australia. Um There's different pathways to which you can register as a medical practitioner. So we went down the competent authority pathway. That's if you've graduated from a UK medical school, then you'll be eligible for that pathway. Um If you've not graduated for a UK medical school, then you might have to go down the standard pathway which consists of clinical and NCQ exams. But most people go down the competent authority pathway if they studied in the UK or Ireland. And this costs roughly about 370 lbs to do. And you do need to have a police check, an international police check which is fit to work um to be able to apply. And you also have to have your passport and degree and yeah, pretty much just your passport and degree. I also got my GMC registration notarized by notary public and for them to then register you on a provisional registration. Mhm. And then once you've done all that and, and you're able to actually be on the register and practice, then you can think about your visa. So your visa should be guided by your employer because they will have to sponsor you. The most common visas that we've seen and heard of is the 407 visa, which is a training visa. And then the 482 visa, which is a skill shortage visa. They both have different kind of um like pros and cons. And so, and it just kind of depends on your employer, what they want to put you through. So me and Claire on a 407 Visa with our work, which is for two years. But if we leave our jobs that we're in, then it will be terminated. So we'll have to think about getting a different visa after that. Whereas I think I commonly in the skill shortage visa, even if you leave your work, you can still keep your visa. And the visas usually are for two years and your employer should guide you through that. Um Your employer will have to start the application for you and because they obviously have to sponsor you and then you can have complete your part through the immigration website um to be able to actually get your visa, you have to have a health check. Um and you can get your health check. It needs to be by an approved clinic clinic from the immigration. Um So you can find where the approved clinics are on the immigration website. If you're wanting to be work as a medical practitioner, you need to have had like blood borne virus screen chest x-ray and just uh like medical checkup. And then that once that sent off, it's kind of just a waiting game to get your visa and then you can actually book your flights. Definitely don't book your flights before your visa's been approved because I've heard of like many scare stories of people going to their health check and then immediately booking their flight and then it actually takes like weeks to come back. So just be mindful that you should probably have your visa before you book flights just in case you can't make them. Um obviously flights are going to vary in cost. Um And then once you're actually out here, you have to think about where you're going to stay in the short term and the long term. So once you're out here, it's you might want to spend some time looking for where you want to actually live and you'll need to get somewhere to live while you're actually looking for a more permanent accommodation. So whether that be staying with a friend or booking through airbnb or getting like a sublet while someone's, there's like lots of sites online like fair floss where you can find people who are maybe going traveling or going on holiday and they want to rent out their room for a period of time. So you can always look on there for like a short term lease while you're looking for more permanent accommodation. The other thing you need to think about cost wise is how are you actually going to get to? And from work Australia is a lot bigger than the UK and it is definitely sometimes a lot longer and travel time than you would expect to get to your job. So you might need a car. So that's another expense to consider. And then once you're out here, you need to just think about, you know, getting a SIM card, opening a bank account and that sort of thing as well. Yeah, and then we've just kind of put up an estimate of like the cost before taking into consideration flights, accommodation and 32 hematology red team may call Monash Medical Center or 32 hematology red team. Sorry if anyone heard that and I'm in work. So um so yeah, we just put up a cost pre flights, pre accommodation of roughly what it would cost and some of your employers will like reimburse you for your visas or pay part of your visa. So just inquire about that when you're speaking to them and you also might be eligible for a relocation grant. Um So just look on the like state government website, wherever you're applying to see whether you would be eligible for that. I think the requirements change quite frequently. So, um, just looking near the time would be the best thing to do, um to see if you're eligible for that. And then, yeah, things just to be aware, aware of that we've already kind of spoken about is it is quite expensive process. And once you add everything up, once you get out here as well, it is a big move to make. Obviously, you're going to be like far away from your family and friends. And I also found that there was like a quite a long adjustment period and I was kind of like, oh when's when's this adjustment period going to end? But it definitely does and then um look into the job that you're actually going to be taking, like where it is, what the road is like. Can you get to and from work um from where you would want to be living? Um And do you need a car? And then the other thing to be mindful of is when you do come out here and you apply to work as a medical practitioner with Ara, you, you have to have a year provisional registration and so you have to do 47 weeks work, supervised practice before you can then apply for a full registration and you can't do casual work or lo work until you have a full, um, full registration. So you can't really pick up anything else in, in that year. And that, yeah, that's it for me. And then we'll just hand it over to skilled medical to talk a bit about what they do. Thanks. Oh, thank you. Both of you, Chloe's. Hello, everybody. I'm Suzy to and I'm with skilled medical. Um We've got a, a team line with you guys today. We've got Will in the London office and Harry in the Melbourne office. Um I'm just so impressed Chloe. Um Both of you that you've achieved the um the move on your own. You can see there's so much there to do um many steps in the process. It can take many months to do and you've highlighted all the expenses that you will incur. Look, the, the good news is if you felt you didn't have the time to do it on your own. Um We are an agency that actually will support the process and help you find the job and help you with the process to apply. Um Look, uh there's lots of agencies around. The good part about skilled medical is we've been, um we're an Australian company and we've been running for about 20 years, uh owned and run by a himself, Doctor David Campbell. Um, but we've got the office there in London as Well, and we know there's been so much interest from the UK to Australia. So we've got a good team of people that can help provide you information and support the process. Um Look skill, Medica, we've got uh access to all the jobs. We've got agreements with all the states in Australia. And, uh, Chloe Maxwell is right. There are, there are plenty of jobs out there. The reality is they are spread out around the country and Australia has a real need for rural and regional locations, um, positions. Um, we'll make, we can give you some information about, uh, how, how we can help you from the UK side and Harry can give you some information about once you've been working in Australia. Um, and the end of your, uh, first year, you do have options if you do want to stay, um, to find locum work or find other positions and we're here to help you basically from start to end. Um, I just thought of a, a funny question there about how big are the spiders? Look. The spiders can be the size of your hand, but the, the, the dangerous ones are only little. So, don't worry about the spiders. Um, uh, and just before I hand over to perhaps, well, I can see lots of questions coming through. Um, I think the Chloe's have answered quite a bit, but if we still, um, if we don't get to every question today, uh, look our website. Um We've got the join us or register with us emails. We've got all this information too that we can provide you offline if that helps us out as well. So if you don't get the answers today, we've got most of those answers for you. Um and we can support you with looking for the jobs and the process. Um We've got health services in Australia that will support airfares, provide the visa sponsorship, even relocation support with short term accommodation in Australia. So that's all the information that we can share with you and help you move through the process. Um So perhaps will, will's in, in the seat in London and he's been placing, I think nearly 40 junior doctors just this year alone. So we can I perhaps hand to you just for that initial um step that these uh doctors may want to take with contacting us in the London office. And then perhaps after you, Harry might be able to just explain a bit about the process of once you're in Australia and staying on because it's a really important part of your experience. Um You've, you've spent uh ex you've spent some money and time getting to Australia and having a first year of experience. But if you want to stay on, uh Australia will be very happy to have you and we'll do all we can to help you stay as well. So I'm Susy and I'm going to hand over to now to, to Will Will. Thanks Suzy. Um Yeah, as, as Suzy mentioned. So I'm over here in the London office. I'm originally from Melbourne, but I have been here for probably about five years or so. Um And yeah, predominantly working with either UK grads um or doctors that have come to the UK club, come to the UK worked here for a year or more and then are looking to move to Australia. So obviously, yeah, every, every year has been different. The last year, last couple of years, there's been a big increase in, I guess both the demand and the hospitals we've been able to work with, having said that every year is different. So there will be some hospitals that will, you know, need our assistance with multiple vacancies one year and then the next year they're sort of quite well recruited, quite well staffed. So every year is a bit different. So it's always a bit difficult to give someone an exact idea of which hospitals are going to have, which vacancies at which time, generally speaking. Yeah, we do AAA lot of a lot of work um e each year and also in, in, in New Zealand. I know this, this webinar is, is predominantly focused on Australia, but we do a lot with, with New Zealand hospitals as well. Um And yeah, as, as you, you said, I, I'd say that the big difference is that we've um got a a big presence in Australia and have been there for a number of years and then also have a, a physical presence here in London. Um So, yeah, that, that helps with as, as the um both Chloe have said that the time difference is, is big and, and there's often a, a delay in sort of hearing from people and, and sometimes, you know, applying for jobs via these, these sort of state websites. Um, and, and just not receiving a response. Um, and obviously if, if time is, uh, is, is precious times, you know, times everything when you're a junior doctor and you're working those long hours. Um, I guess that's the, the big thing that we can help with is, is, you know, take some of that, um, um, that, that effort at that, that time, you know, and, and help you look for those jobs and then once you've got them, help you with the process because, um, yeah, if it's, if you're sort of getting a securing a job in December and you're, you're not able to start till June, that's a, that's a fair amount of time. So, um, we might also be able to sort of speed things up a bit, you know, giving advice on, on, on various forms to fill in and, and things you can do ahead of time, you know, police checks, all that sort of thing, making sure the forms are filled in, you know, the way that, that a, a or the A MC want them, um, and getting it all through, um, a, a bit, a bit quicker as well. Um, so, yeah, I guess that's what, that's what we do. Um, and the, the, the second thing is I guess to, to try and give a bit of advice as well. Um, as I said, I, I'm from Melbourne so I feel I know the, the sort of, that's that part of the country pretty well. Um But we've also been doing this for so long that we've had some really good feedback from a number of doctors um in that have gone to other parts, some that have gone to places that they never would have um really have, have heard of or sort of maybe thought of initially. And then once they've got there, they've realized, you know, that they're still earning just as well as, as a doctor in Melbourne or Sydney, but they're paying half as much in, in, in accommodation and rent and those sorts of things and they've got so much more disposable income and sometimes the hospitals as well are, are so much more um accommodating and keen to, to sort of attract and retain their staff. So, yeah, there's, there's been people who have had AAA great um a great experience and, and going to a, a variety of locations. Not, not so much, probably the, the outback, not so much, the, the middle of nowhere. Locations but definitely those, those big regional centers and, and coastal cities. Um That um yeah, that are, as Suzy said, are crying out for, for good well trained doctors. I guess I just saw a question there if I could jump in um using a, a medical recruitment company, like skilled medical doesn't cost um the doctor any extra. It's just the normal fees that you would pay for your, your registrations and your um health checks and things. But um our service to you is free if that was of concern, I just saw a question pop up. Yeah, that's something that, that we get um asked a lot and, and, and as we've already been discussed, there are some pretty big initial costs there. Um obviously paying for your, your, your first year's registration with, with ara your, your application fee. The Visa fee is, is, is considerable, I think as well as that. I mean, it's, it's not a cost to you as the doctor, but I think the hospital is paying about $4000 to nominate you for that visa. So there's a bit of a cost to them for, for bringing people over from the UK as well. So I guess they want to know that that are keen to come and, and you know, intend to stay for that, that full year. Um And um as we've said that that sort of provisional year that that first sort of 47 weeks and then once you move on to general registration, then, you know, then you get a lot more uh things really open up and you've got a lot more flexibility, you can do a lot more things. You've still got that, that visa requirement, that, that sponsorship requirement. Um But yeah, there's, there's a lot more things you can, you can do. Um And one other thing I would, I would just add as well to do with the, maybe the working hours and remuneration and how does it compare to the UK and all that sort of thing? Some, some feedback that we've, we've received from doctors time after time is just that because you're not doing those, those unpaid extra hours, you know, week after week, you know, that 76 hour fortnight can be quite a bit less than you were doing in your f one or f two year that you're able to pick up a even though you can't locum, you, you're able to pick up an extra shift at your own hospital every now and then at, at a good, you know, a good rate. Um And that can really help to, to boost your income. So, so that's something that people have been able to do as well. Um But yeah, it might um might be a good chance now to, to hand over to Harry who's obviously based in our, our Melbourne office and can perhaps speak about the, the locum opportunities that the things you can do once you've been there for that 47 weeks and, and have got your general registration and are thinking about, you know, staying on, um, a bit longer for a, a second year, maybe even thinking about, you know, applying for permanent residency and then following that um training programs because I, I'm pretty sure all the colleges in Australia will insist on, on doctors having pr before they're able to, to get on to a training program. Um So, yeah, Harry, if you can um can take over that, that'd be great. Um So I moved over to Australia just about a year and a half ago now from Scotland um with my partner who's also a doctor. Um And I work in the recruitment side of our Melbourne office and our img coordination. So I look after the kind of visa sponsorship program that we run in Melbourne over here as well. So, um as the guys were saying, um after the first, you have to do the 1st 4 to 7 weeks on the competent authority pathway typically and you'll be on provisional registration, then get your full registration and then you'll go to a locum thereafter. Um We service the full of Australia. Um So I've got a lot of imgs that like to go on up to Darwin W A um up to the Sunshine Coast. Um I saw a lot of questions about people wondering if they can like link um partners onto their visas. Yes, you can as well with that. There's no extra cost to that. Um I'm on my partner's visa. Um and there's no additional cost onto that and it doesn't impact, shouldn't impact the, the time it takes for the visa to come through. You just have to put a bit more documentation into um the visa process. Um As well as that, a lot of the I MG doctors like to come over in groups with friends. Um If they can work in a similar hospitals together when they come over. Um wondering people were wondering if they could link applications for hospitals when they come over. Um I'm not sure if that's something you've had on your end will. Um but I have had friends over here who have come over as partners and have had gone to the same hospitals and got their applications linked up. So it is possible. I'm just not sure of how easy it is in the first instance. Um But yeah, I'm happy to help any with any questions you've got on loco over here or any visa. Um questions you may have after your initial year but will is right in the sense that typically you have to be on permanent residency before you go into the specialty training or have at least applied for um permanent residency before you're allowed to progress onto specialty training. And just as as um Harry mentioned, yeah, working with, um, with couples or, um, people with dependence, all that sort of thing. Yeah, we've had a, a whole mix of people go over both, you know, um, couples where they're both medics, couples where one's medical and, and, and one's not, but, but both go over. Um, obviously. Yeah, you can, you can also add, uh, Children, add dependents to that visa. We've had people go over and, and, and do that, Um, you know, head over, er, particularly some that are perhaps a bit older. Um, and have got, yeah, they, they're married with, with Children. They've gone over and, and that's also been, um, been fine. Um, obviously if you're going to the big cities, Melbourne, Sydney, Brisbane, you're, you're, you know, able to both move to that city and, and work in different hospitals. Whereas perhaps if you're going to, to one of the smaller centers, you might end up working in the same hospital and, you know, obviously, uh, living together as well. But, yeah, we've had AAA full, um, a full range of, of people do that. Um, and just because we're kind of focusing on the competent authority pathway which is doctors with a, um UK training and UK experience. Um, there's, there's no sort of requirement for doctors to have a, a British passport. Once again we've, we've worked with a lot of doctors who have, um, come from overseas Sat Club, worked in the UK and then come from you know, Middle East from, from India, Sri Lanka, Pakistan, um, Malaysia, you know, South East Asia sorts of places and they've been sort of grouped in that, that same competent authority pathway category. Um, and the process has been, been just as smooth for them as well. Um, so, yeah, I guess the only thing with a, um, coming with a partner or Children is the extra, the extra visa cost, um, obviously per, per applicant. But, um, yeah, there's no reason why it can't be done. And, and, and as I said, we've had a, a full range of, of people, um, you know, with the different backgrounds that have, that have gone over and, and, you know, found the process has worked just as well for them. Mm. Um, in terms of a couple of questions about permanent residency, um, typically at the moment it's about three years with the same employer to get, be eligible to apply for permanent residency. However, if you were a doctor, the current stipulation they have, that's like a caveat to that is if you were a doctor that arrive between February 2020 December 2021 you're able to apply for pr I think it's in two years and it doesn't, it doesn't have to be with the same employer. Um, however, the Immigration Office is wanting to make it a bit more accessible to everyone and there's been, it's been notified by the, um, migration head of migration for um the Australian government that they want to change this at the end of this year to make it. I think it's two years minimum for people on a 482 visa to be able to apply for pr of any kind of situation. So that doesn't mean you'd have to be with the same um same employer. So for example, you could come over for one year um with your host hospital, move into a local agency and thereafter you'd be able to apply for pr but you have to be sponsored in that situation by your employer and they have to be the host sponsor of your 482 visa at that point. And as Australia, like the UK, we've got the the doctor shortages. Um and so Australia is really very open to supporting you guys staying, whether it is the one or two years or the longer term. So, and the upside of Brexit is Australia and the UK have really started to rebuild the relationship to enable it. Um the, the exchange of people to work and move between the two countries and, and access to visas are kind of evolving and becoming better, particularly where skills shortages exist. So, uh again, we use a um a visa ma migration, a visa migration agent to guide us with all of this information. So these are sort of things that we can um provide you with, you know, insight and information and, and direct you once you've, once you've landed into Australia, if you want to continue on, Harry and I were recently in Bendigo, um and met uh four or five, you, you junior doctors that had come out from the UK just 56 months ago and a couple of them are looking to plan their permanent residency and, and training. So, you know, these are, these are um young people like yourselves that are wanting to build a life in Australia. Um And there's pathways to take and there's great information out there and we can help you with that. That's the sort of thing our Melbourne office will do as well. Um I see there's a couple sorry to jump in there that Ben Walker was mentioning regarding nonmedical partners. So that was my situation. Um Essentially, if you're a non a de facto partner on a, a 482 visa, you have unrestricted working rights. Um So it's kind of a better situation out of the two people on the visa. So you can work for whoever you want on that visa as a de facto partner. Um And for as long as you want, as long as that visa is kind of existing. Mm And if anyone has partners as nurses, we're also looking for nurses and placing nurses all around Australia. So, and of course, senior specialist doctors too. So I think we have some other Fa Qs that we gathered from registration. Um If people are able to answer any of these, I'll just so we've touched on some of them already. So like linking applications with your partner, we spoke about um Chloe and I actually were both in the same health board by chance and worked in the same ho in the same department. We both worked in A&E at the same time and they were actually really flexible, like we asked to link our rosters just as friends and we pretty much done all the same out of hours. And a lot of people that we have like met and know and if you're in the same like trust or hospital, you can like try to get um the same department and people are quite flexible like you can and consider linking your Rotas if you're like car sharing or if you want to be off at the same time. Um So I think that one, we touched on um funding support, I think depending on where you're going. Um And who is employing you. Um Some, a lot of people have been asking for like advice for people out with the UK at the moment. Um So Ukraine had come up as one. Anyone has any information about all I'd say on that is a bit like I said before. So the main thing for us or for moving to Australia is your eligibility for those registration pathways. So whether you've, you've done a degree in the UK, you know, what, what you hold is not really relevant or, or important, I don't think, um, and then also, um, er, for doctors who have, have come to the, the UK from, from other places, done their, their undergrad somewhere else and then moved here. So that's, um, that's a, a big group of doctors. There is a, um, a little bit of a, an area where we're not as sure and, and that's people who have, you know, moved to the UK without sitting plu because there are obviously, you know, Mr, mm. And there's a, there's various other things you can do to, to, to get your GMC registration if you've come here from, from overseas. Um, and we're just not, I don't know if there's any doctors that we've worked with yet that have, have done one of those other routes. But yeah, the, the, the group that, that sit club and come here, that's definitely a, a group we've got a lot of experience in. Um, and yeah, there's, there's no reason why they, um, why it's any, any more difficult than, than it is for a, a UK grad. Um, so yeah, the, the passport you hold is not really a, a big thing. I, I wouldn't say. Ok. Um, so I think we'd also touched a bit on the next one that was popular was like people asking about specialty trading in Australia, I think will, it said, er, and Harry had said that you need to have pr, or be like, applying for pr be eligible for pr to start doing that. Um, I think also a couple of people we'd spoken to said you might need to be, be in a certain job, be like in the same job in the emergency department for a period, like six months if you want to apply to emergency training. So it's all dependent on what exactly you're applying for and all the information would be online again. But there's not, it's not as straightforward as finishing in the UK and applying to specialty training in Australia. There's obviously you have to have come out with your provisional registration, get your general registration, be thinking about staying out for longer. Obviously, if they're wanting to recruit you to a specialty post, they want to see that you're like working out here and you're going to continue doing that. Um I think we've spoken again about the visa process with the family and we've known a couple of people who are coming out next year with like young Children and stuff. And so I think it's definitely doable and one thing that I'm not familiar with is getting a job straight after F I one and it's come up a couple of times. But the only thing I'd say um about that, I mean, yeah, the, the comp or 30 pathways is essentially, you know, do your UK degree and, and have 12 months of, of UK experience, you know, do your, your F one, the only problem with doing it if you wanted to, to come just after your F one is because the process is, you know, 34, maybe even five months. So if you were, if you had started your, um, you were just about to finish your, your F one, and then apply, then, then you're ok. But if you were sort of three or four months, um, er, before finishing your F one, it would be, I don't see how APRA would approve your registration because, you know, at that time of application, you're not going to have 12 months of experience. So just not sure how that would work if you, if you hadn't completed your F one. but yeah, there's no reason why you can't go after F one. But I'm just saying if you, if you wanted to, you know, finish your F one in August and, and head over straight away, I just don't know how you'd sort of get that job in, you know, March or April and, and start the registration process if you hadn't completed your first year. But in, in terms of that, that registration pathway, there's no reason why you can't, um why you have to have, have completed your F two. I think the only reason why people tend to do that is because it makes it easier for, for when they want to return to the um the UK at a, at a later stage. Um And on, I think I saw another question on there about um about returning to Australia. As long as you've got that gender registration, you've stayed there for, for 47 weeks. Once you've got that GE registration you're able to keep that. Um and, and yeah, definitely return at a later date and we know a few doctors that have done that. Um You know, they've got back to the UK and for whatever reason, decided it's, it's not for them and, and they wanna go back to Australia. So that's definitely something you can do. But you, you do need to make sure you've you've moved on to gender registration. You have stayed that that 1st 12 months. One thing on the back of that from sorry, the doctors that want to come back, we've just recently been notified that to make things a lot easier for you guys on visa situations. If you were to have your full registration and want to return back to Australia and work as a locum or for extended period of time for up to a year, you can come over on a working holiday, visa and you can work on a working holiday visa if you have your full registration as a locum doctor deep. Um I think the last one we'd already spoken about, we had already answered about the passports. Um So let see a lot of people have been asking about like health conditions and I think because there's been men of health checks come up a couple of times in the chat um about like long term health conditions and what that would mean for you coming over. I think from my personal experience, the health check is quite like, it's not anything too in depth. They basically just want to make sure that you're of a reasonable fit and health to come over and like work at the job you're doing. So like they want to make sure you don't have any like occupational risks and that your health is reasonable. If you have any like long term health conditions, you should have the information about that and you'll be able to show the medical examiner about that and if there's anything else they want to like look into, they will um consult someone and get back to you on that. Um But I think depend, it would depend really for when you're out here, whether you're eligible for Medicare or not. But the condition of most of the visas is that you hold um an adequate level of health insurance. So the condition of my visa was that I should have health insurance to cover my own health while I'm out here. And even though I was Medicare eligible from being from the UK, it takes a period to get Medicare as well, so you wouldn't immediately have it. So I guess if you don't have Medicare and you have to have health treatment that would be at like a cost to yourself or you would take our health insurance and then obviously your health insurance would be dependent on whatever your personal health situation is of like the costs for that and what they are able to do for you. So I think it's maybe um dependent on everyone's like personal circumstance, but I don't see why if you have a health condition that is like manageable, it would stop you from coming, but it would just dependent on like the cost on how you receive your health care while you're over here would be depending on whether you're eligible for Medicare or what your health insurance situation would be. And so I think that unless anyone has any particular experience with, no, I think that's right. I think the only thing and they rightly or wrongly as harsh as it sounds, they want to know if someone's going to be a, you know, how much of a cost to the system someone is going to be and that's why they're at, you know, age restrictions and things. So um yeah, but like you say, you're going to have private health insurance anyway, which over there is a, is a bit of a different, I mean, over here in the UK, a lot of people that would have private insurance, it's only because of, you know, their employer provides it. Whereas in Australia most professional people will have private health insurance. It's not a huge expense. It does cost, but it's not, it's not a huge thing. So it is far more common and, and as I say, most, most people with a, um, you know, in a, in a professional job, we'll, we'll have it, especially young people. You know, they're, I think they sort of taxes and things, they, they sort of push you towards getting it before, you know, before the age of 30 things. So it's a, it's a pretty standard thing in Australia for, for someone to have. Yeah. And so we've spoke about that. Um, personally, I don't think there's much like, impact on when you want to move August or January. Like, whenever I first came out I was looking at August, but like, it just wasn't really feasible. Um, like it came around so quickly. It was even though I started looking for jobs in December because everyone said to start sooner and I'd had a job offer and all by like, early January and I still hadn't cracked on with like half of the, the paperwork. It was like, sort of not progressing as fast as I thought. And I wouldn't have definitely managed the move out in August. It was just too quick, a turnaround for me. So I had delayed mine initially to September and then to November. Um, and then I wanted to delay it to January, but obviously, like the hospital has a job that's sitting unfilled. So they were obviously not too thrilled with that. So I ended up agreeing on November. The terms are kind of like they want you to fit into a term usually, um, to the set terms. Um, but the majority of people maybe come out like, yeah, August February, January time. Um, I think there's jobs sort of like all year round. It doesn't make too much of a difference. Um, and, yeah, I think a lot of people think all the jobs are emergency department based. But, um, I think Chloe done a general stream job. So that's like she's doing ICU done, gen med done geriatrics. I've just done an emergency department year and so it's not been very varied. It depends like what your interests are. Um, the only good thing is it's like consistent and you don't need to keep moving departments. It depends whether you like the, like, rolling rotations or you just want to stay somewhere. Um, in terms of someone's asked about like specialties and pay and pay can sometimes be linked to. So you'll have like a standard rate early and then you'll have maybe like extra money for working out of hours. So, if you're doing like a night shift, we get 25% more. If you're doing like a Sunday, you'll get more. Um, so if you're doing a lot of out of hours, like, it adds up a bit and you'll get paid more money. Um, but a lot of the jobs that are in general rotation might be all night shifts. You can like do medical, night shifts. Obviously, you'll be doing night shifts the whole time. So you might get a higher, uh, like a BS P. Um, I think the dates for start tend to vary on the hospital or like what level of job you're going in for. So, like the registrars will rotate differently than the HM OS and someone asked about going from foundation to registrar. Um The job I done was recruiting like unaccredited, which just means you're not in training registrars for the emergency department. So they were willing to have you going from F two to like an unaccredited registrar. Um So I think the jump is doable. I personally hadn't worked in emergency before, so I felt like that would not be appropriate. So I had done HMO for the majority of this year and then just made a move recently, but the job is the exact same. It's just in theory, you can work a little bit more unsupervised, but like the supervised supervision is still there. Um I think I have more questions than that and a lot of people have been asking about CV tips again, I think people are trying to recruit you. So I think your CV should just like for follow like a clear and well written basic CV format with information about where you worked to last and it's important to have good references to people that you can, like, rely on to fill in your reference information like promptly and one from your most recent job, preferably consultants or like general practitioners. Um I guess if you've done any extra stuff, like you've done your A LS, done pediatric A LS, if you've done any like teaching or courses and just in us stuff that boosts your CV. Um And I think cover letter, like personalizing it. So I'd like written specifically that I was interested in emergency medicine and coming to Melbourne to apply to my current job and, and focused on that in my CV for my interest to when I was applying for that type of job. And then I think the last one we said, like coming back to the UK and I don't know that there would be any issue with you coming back to the UK. I personally kept my GMC, like license to practice rolling just because I had the initial, first year, I was loco in the UK. I've kept it rolling this year just because I was unsure of what um my like, future plans would be. But um I think as long as you've completed your F one and F two, then you've, you can just come back easily. Um And then a lot of questions in the chart, I don't know if anyone's seen any ones that they particularly thank they want to answer what we can do as well. We could like take all these questions and uh we can get back to you as well. Um For time sake, so we could basically put through, I can happily answer all the questions that I can answer through this and send back responses to you. So make sure that everyone is so make sure everyone is getting answered. And the, the mind, the bleep your mind, the bleep website. Um we put our article up there, I think nearly six months ago back in April called, thinking about Australia. And that's got lots of the same information. It's got links in it as well to a pro. So you'll get the information about competent authority pathway, skilled medical. We've got the enquiry button. So again, we can provide this, this information back to you. But Chloe just on your point, the, the paperwork side of things can be as fast or as slow depending on how you the doctor, what can manage your time. Um We'll in the London office, we'll coordinate once you receive your CV. Uh we tend to reorganize, um pair your CV and submit it to the clients in Australia, um organize the interview and really get you through to that job offer. And then once you've got the job offer, visa sponsorship and um upper registration, as long as all your paperwork's in order things move within, you know, 234 months. So having that prep done prior to moving out. I really key documents and um certifications and health checks and things in the lead up to um being prepared to move. But once paperwork's done and the job offers made, um Australia's trying to move visa sponsorship and a a registration through the processing as quickly as they can to because they want you in the country as quickly as we can get you there as well. Great. Thank you. Um So I think there's a lot of questions people are asking. Can we get the answers put somewhere? So I think um like Harry suggested, we'll try to answer all the questions and then I will distribute the answers or maybe add them to the end of the mind, the bleep article at the minute in a comment once we have them all answered. So if we check on there for like an update, um I think if I can direct you guys to obviously skilled medicals website, you can get in touch with these guys through there with your specific questions and they're happy to help and give you some more personal information. Um I think that's all for now guys, if there is any other pressing questions or you think like, is there anything else that you want us to follow up on in more depth? Just um let me know in the feedback forms, I'll send a feedback form to everyone and I'll send everyone something for like attending um and then from there, but I just want to say thanks to um Suzie and Harry and William and also Chloe Anderson for joining and helping with the, the webinar. And I hope that's been useful for you guys and I am hoping it's recorded and if it is, it will be uploaded somewhere for people to view at a later date, but just get in touch with them, these guys or through mind the believe if there's anything else and we'll try to help you and good luck with applying. Yeah, see you in Australia. Thanks. Thanks. Thank you very much. Bye bye. Ok, thanks Chloe. Thank you. Bye. See you later where we've got the office in Collingwood. We might get you guys coming.