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Which campuses do you usually have your teaching at uh I went to the hospital all of them uh yeah It's just a hemisphere hospital for cardiology and uh the way it was run last year and this year is kind of like a hybrid model, so let's say about 2 to 3 days a week you go in and then the other two days is just online, So do you guys know about like the, I see a formats like how the assessments are structured for b sc. It was roughly mentioned in the initial talk, but yeah not much really right, so there are basically seven assessments. There's three in term, one which is until december. There are like two in january, and the final two is in february all the way to like may onwards. That is your final project, so um the thing about cardiology is for the first three b uh i c. A. S, they kind of have like a formative for each, I see A as well as the summit er So the workload in the 1st 1st term is a little bit higher than other science bs cs, because we have to do the form Attar as well as the Summit, er but it is good in a way because the formative helps you to prepare for the summit to Yeah and Cardiology also has like other other weird stuff like debates, basically, so we have to prepare from and some group presentations, which are not graded but just for fun. Apparently so, yeah, so because of that the first term uh for cardiology is, I would say more time consuming than for others, but yeah it's all right yeah um what project are you doing. Currently, So, your project will start from february words, and I have just started my project last week and my project is a statistical project, so I don't have to go in at all, I'm completely working from home for the next 23 months, which is very good and the project is basically to find a prognostic significance of troponin in cabbage, patient's so if you have like patient's undergoing cabbage bypass, a stent for an elective procedure, and then looking for the uh that when you take the troponin measurements immediately after the cabbage and looking at whether they are elevated or not and seeing if the elevation and the troponin corresponds towards outcomes so for my project. That is the title of my project and the methodology for me is basically. I have a bunch of data is already collected for me and I just have to look at the data bank and do the statistical analysis, so for that I need to do a little bit of coding, are you gonna be using our for that, yeah exactly are, is what I need to learn, okay, have you got much experience before. Um No, I have zero experience. I have yeah zero experience in coding, so I need to learn how to code how have you been getting along with that, any resources or anything that you, so I'm sure about resources from a few people like uh you know on coursera or like some books that they recommended, but uh according to my project, I've been asking my supervisor for like resources. He said he will give me some later, but he wants me to do my background literature reading first, so that is what I've been doing like the last two weeks and that's what he wants me to for more more week, so for like three weeks in total, before I actually start off with, like the proper coding is cardio. Your first choice is Cardiology your first choice, yeah for now, that's the what I'm most interested have you told about your other choices very vaguely, but yeah no no have you talked about like uh inter, collating at a different you know city, no not really because I think um with the way at least Imperial, says If the degree is similar, um then you can't do it anywhere else, so I'm I'm more or less interested in what like the types of degrees Imperial is offering, so I don't think they'll really let me do anything external right, so you're more of a science b. A. C. Didn't personally yeah, okay, yeah that's kind of the same for me to yeah yeah. I would say in general that I am definitely not regretting taking cardiology. Bse, like it is indeed a bit of work, but I learned so much and the amount of information I've learned is. I would not have been able to learn from cardio, be a, see if I have not taken the cardio b. A. C. I would not have learned the information so stuff like you know for hypertension. Why do we give a centimeter then beta blocker all that kind of stuff you know oops sorry, a centimeter then calcium channel blocker, and blah, blah, blah, so like why do we do that, what is the evidence based behind it, so that is the stuff that you'll be researching. If you do cardio b. A. C. That kind of stuff and like the whole heart failure treatments like i cds, why do we, when do we give defibrillators, when do we give them um ACE inhibitors, beta blockers, diuretics, what is the evidence behind it, why do we treat people the way we treat that is all we'll be reading, we'll be doing in cardio, like there's so many research papers that will be reading as well and yeah by the end of the year, you would have worked hard, but you would also have learned so much from this. Bse, looking for cardio, how to any questions what's the cross like yep, so all signs bs cs, I think that's about 15 signs bs cs, uh in imperial they all have the same structure, you have three i c a. S in the first term, which is until december, and you have to i c a s in the second term, which is in january and you have to i c a s in the third term, which is like right now from february all the way to n me so uh yeah all signs of b c's have the same structure and cardiology in general, is regarded to be slightly harder than other bs cs, but it is definitely manageable the final term which is what I'm currently doing that is your final your project that would be that would account for like 45% of the entire bsc grades in what way is it considered harder. Um Maybe you have to be very careful with what I see um let's say for the first term right because there are three uh I see is for all the science bs cs which are summer to i c. A s, but for cardiology bsc you also have to do like the one formative for each summer too, I see a so we have to do three formative i c a s. We have to do three summer to i c a s, and we also have like some random debates in the middle, some random group presentations we have to do so. All in all this means that we will be working a little bit more harder because we have to also deliver the debate and the presentations I personally enjoyed it like looking back now because those debates kind of help to prepare for my i. C s. As well because one of my uh I see is was an oral power point presentation, so by going through like the debates, it was kind of like a dress rehearsal for me to do well in my I see as well and the formative also meant that I could I had valuable feedback for my summer, too, so, although it was more time consuming than other bs cs. It is also better in the end, yeah definitely, it's a big plus towards a cardiology carrier like if you have that in your c. V, it really helps you know, it helps you to stand up from the crowd. If you're going for a cardiology carrier like, although it doesn't count to us like the f one points anymore, maybe like specialty specialty wise. If you have a cardiology bse, you'd be better prepared for your interviews and it's something in his cV, as well. If you guys are interested in cardiology, I would definitely recommend you to take the bsc like it is definitely not going to be easy, but if you're prepared to put in the work, it is not going to be impossible to do as well how much support do we get through the cost. We get quite a lot of support through the course. Like in the first term because of all those formative and feedback, we get lots of feedback and that is very good for Cardiology innovate. Um Because of the lot of feedback is a lot of support for the first term, second term, january, you get less feedback, but I think they want you to get more and more uh independent, basically so, it's kind of like a transition from the first term all the way to the third term, the first term you get lots of feedback. They really help help you help you out a lot in the second term, they give you less feedback so that you're a bit more independent and in the final term, that is just you and your individual project with your supervisor, they completely let go of you, so you're completely independent, but yeah if like the guy inshallah fit is uh proof food, he's a very nice guy like he's very kind and stuff, So if you have like any doubts or if you have any questions, or if you have any uh complaints, you want to raise you can just email him and he would take care of it, like all the tutors, all the professors, everyone is nice, are counting of like a single person in Cardiology, who's not nice in terms of like tutors, yeah how likely are we to get a publication, That's a very good question, we are very likely to get a publication like okay, I'm not sure about the numbers, but we are very likely to get a publication, so that is a very big plus for you to take Cardiology. BSE is it very competitive because like I heard from some of the seniors that the culture can sometimes get a little bit cut through it, what's your experience that's a very nice question and yeah you're right, it's very competitive uh yeah there are a bunch of snakes, but what can we do, I mean like the type of people who apply to cardio g. B. S. C, are the type of people who are who tend to be more competitive by nature right and want to like just buff up the TV and we have all these competitive people together. It doesn't really fall a foster a culture of cohesion, but it is not like everyone is out to get a us well, it's just like don't be too friendly, basically okay, that sounds quite bad, but yeah, yeah what is the timetable like so. Uh In terms of the timetable, I would say that because it's a hybrid model for the first term, it is let's say about three days a week in person and two days online, and for the second time in january, which is we just passed, it is about two days a week or less in person, and for the final term it really depends on the project you get, so the projects can either be lead based or clinical based, and make sure kind of changes every year, so I think for our year, we had lots more lots of more clinical project, more statistical projects, and because of that there were, if the, if you get a statistical project, you don't really have to come in every day, and for me, I'm very lucky because I don't have to come in at all so, yeah, but some people are doing that project, so they have to come in like four days a week or something. Any tips for getting a publication talking to the supervisor early on, Yeah I mean yeah, so these are some general tips. I will give no matter what bsc you end up doing If you want to get a publication, just talk to the supervisor early on and try to have this common ground between you and him, so that it's not like three months down the road, you're suddenly blindsided by something make sure that you both of you agree on what exactly you will get out of it and make sure you have a very good relationship with your supervisor and make sure you have some good communication, good open communication uh for cardio, the kind of vetting the people, so it is not just any random person who can volunteer to be a supervisor, so the list of supervisors and projects they give is pretty reliable, pretty trustworthy. If you do a project under them, you're most likely going to get a publication as long as you put in uh the work required and it is up to you like you can even stay with the group after the BSE is over and you can still carry on uh to do like a publication or multiple publications. Yeah so don't worry about publications. If you take Cardiology bsc, you're very likely to get a publication out of it and also even if you are very very ambitious, even the summit of assessments that you do in like the first couple couple of terms. If you are very lucky and if you know people, you might be able to publish it like in january, there's supposed to be a group project where you do a literature review together, so because we're only given two weeks to go do that, it is not going to be very good quality, but if you spend the time after the modules over, and if you just keep refining that literature review, and if you keep expanding it, you might be able to turn that into a publication as well. Yeah If you're motivated enough, but the professors in cardiology are basically top notch. They really know what they're talking about the lectures are fantastic and yeah the curriculum is quite nice. No b. C. Is not for everyone. I would say um If you're interested, if you're genuinely interested in cardiology, this BSE is perfect for you, If you just want to do Cardiology to like make your CV better it might not be for you basically yeah. In terms of our competition wise, in getting the cardio basis of, I think you guys have like a talk about this about competition ratios and stuff, I'm not sure, but historically I would say it is almost all youthful, so I just not under subscribed, It is not oversubscribed. It is usually just nice, and in terms of the mix between uh internal and external students, I would say that maybe they're about to, to, to internal and one to this external right, so how has the Bsc informed my academic interest, I would say that um before the b. S. C. I was not thinking about an academic condition program at all, but now, I am considering it because it don't sell that. I actually like research, so yeah oh yeah, just let me know if there's any questions. Yeah definitely, I would say, if you're considering a cardio based carrier that this bsc is definitely a big plus like it will help you to stand up from the rest of the crowd and the other good thing about this bsc is that if you do this, it will also uh give you an idea of whether you want to get into research in Cardiology like Academic Foundation program, whether you want to be a cardiology, whether you want to be a cardiologist with a specific focus on research or just a clinical carrier. What are your other options, just curious, if you have thought that far so that's a good question uh In terms of uh general generalize ability, mm mm, I'm not sure actually what are their specialties, are you thinking about just in general or do you have a particular specialty in mind, like if you're taking about like him, for example, I guess coyote can go to him as well, but I'm not sure how useful cardiology will be to like uh neurology, for example, like because cardio BSE is kind of uh one of the more focused bs cs right, it's quite clear what you're doing your studying the heart and the blood missiles. In terms of general is ability pharmacology, BSE will be a better option because the drugs you're doing, it can be drugs in a whatever disease and he measured, it might might be a little bit general as well because blood is everywhere, immunology might be a little bit general, I guess but yeah, but stuff like Cardiology. Rest, these are a little bit more focused hi, guys, I'm just happy to answer any questions you have so why did coyote have a bigger workload in term. One, so uh all signs bs cs have the same structure, management and global health. They are a little bit different and bio injury is a bit different, but in terms of the science, bs cs, all of them have three I see is in the first term to i. C s. In the second term and one I see a sorry to I see is in the final term as well, So in terms of the first three, i see is in the first term, they add up to 30% in total of your entire grade, so uh for cardiology bsc, this is one of the very few bs cs, I'm not sure if it is the only one but it's one of the very few bs cs that you have a formative, I see a for each of the three some acttive i. C. A. S, so we'll do like a formative editorial, and then a week later we'll do a summit of editorial then we'll do a formative presentation, and a week later, we'll do a summit of presentation, blah, blah blah yeah, so we are basically doing double the work, but I guess the formative help you to prepare for some motives, and because the formative are not greater, it's up to you like you can basically spend no time on it. If you don't want to and the other thing is we also have other group presentations and other kind of activities, we have to prepare outside of the formative and some acttive, so like, maybe like a couple of debates every two or three weeks, so like like a debate every two weeks, basically yeah, so it to make slides for it to present and it is just something unique to cardio. I think so it is basically like added work, but because you're doing more work, you also learn more so what are the topics start in term, one, so um in terms of topics taught in term, one, the way the first term is structured is you have three different blocks, each block is about three weeks long and after that you have a consolation week, so your block 13 weeks and then consolation week, block 23 weeks, consolation week and block 33 weeks and consolation week and it is during the consolidation week that you will be doing uh each of the three i c. A. S. So uh for block, block tree was heart failure, block to was cardiac electrophysiology, and congenital heart disease and block, one was atherosclerosis, so the other thing about cardio is uh they give you like this book of 200 pages called Heart of the matter as pre reading for you to do in the holidays before the colleagues, even stat, it is not necessary to read a book like I would say 95% of the people didn't bother reading a book, but because essentially the content in the book is the content that you'll be teaching again, so it is both good and bad. I guess like it's bad because it seems like an overwhelming amount of content like you have to read the entire book before you come to college, but you don't really have to read a book, and the good thing is because this book is written by cardiology professors who have taught in uh who had told the b. S. C. As well as cardiology students of the class of 2020. I think so basically the content in a book is kind of very close to the content that is being taught in the lectures, So if you miss the lectures, you can just basically read a book or you can look at panic, too, is there any lab work, so there's no lab work in terman and term to so. In terms of your project in term three, which is february onwards, it's up to you you can either do a lab project or you can do a statistical project. They will give you like a list and you can choose any project from this list and what you can also do is. If you're not happy with any of these projects, you can kind of come up with like your own project as well, but this is a very very dangerous option because if you come up with your own project, you need to find like your own supervisor, so yeah in a summary, the answer to your question of whether there's any lab work uh The answer is, there's no lab work in turmoil in term, too, so what was the book called. The book was called Heart of the matter. I'm just typing in a check part of the matter. It was a book written by Cardio dbs, see students of 2020 so I guess it looks good on your c. V. As well, basically if you guys are interested in cardiology teaching in terms, in yours, one on youtube and if you are considering cardiology is one of your future carriers, then just go ahead and take this bsc. I'm finding it really fun. I'm learning so much is that much um cardiovascular mechanics or math or physics, uh so the cardiac electrophysiology block in the second block uh that is a little bit slightly mathematical physics, I guess yeah that is slightly to do with cardiovascular mechanics, So you have like a short lecture on pv loops as well, yeah, but other than that, it is not that much mechanics, not that much mass of physics, your chances of publication are very high for cardiology bsc, your chances are like. I would say okay. I'm very hesitant to give a number because I'm not really sure, but I think someone in our uh faculty for Cardiology said it was around 90%. Also yeah that just the other thing like although I did say that this bsc is harder than other signs bs, cs, I also think that it is possible to get a first like apparently, I think the year about me or two years about me. Only two people did not get a first for cardio g. Bsc, so yeah uh does it change your to your. I guess so, but I don't think we'll change a lot cardio yeah. I would say that if you kind of just engage with a module right and just do the formative and the summer tubes, it is possible to get a first like in turn to in january. Your marks will probably dip a little bit because they're a little bit harsher in term too, but otherwise, I have a feeling that the marks will increase in dunk cherie again, but I'm not sure because I went fully finished it. I cannot give you any concrete numbers, but I do think that in the year or two years about me only two people do not get a first and that is all of train plus 20 plus people, so I think in my year, it was uh nearly fully subscribed if that is a category like very slightly undersubscribed, but it's close to full capacity. There are 25 students, 26 students sitting in my current year, and eight of them are external. The other good thing about Cardio and Imperial is um the professors are from like National Heart and lung Institute, so they are quite quite good growth with good connections, okay, why would I choose the cardio BSE over the neuro bsc, okay. I would choose the cardio BSE over the neuro bsc because no one knows what's going on in the brain like literally like the entire lecture, the guy because I shared for my friends right who are doing your b. S. C. And the entire lecture, the guy is just talking and and in the end he will be like so. In summary, we can't really see what's going on the brain and some students will ask the lecturers so blah, blah blah, this particular cushion and the answer would be like, I don't know because it hasn't been done yet. The brain is just so poorly understood, but the heart I feel that the heart is a perfect mix of what we know about it and what we do not know about it. We have not cracked all the mysteries of the heart like for example, we still do not know what is the best treatment for some particular conditions, but we have a pretty good idea of what it does I mean like ultimately it's just a pump you're pumping out blood and yeah, but for brain, you know like no one really knows how the brain works like yeah you, you don't know kind of how the neurons interact and you do you are able to use it for like computational modeling and stuff to build a neural network, blah, blah, blah, but uh I don't know, I just feel that uh cardio, cardiology has a field in general, is that it's a perfect balance between what is known and what is left to be discovered. On the other hand, because no one knows what's going on the brain, it does mean that there's so many uh there are lots of ironies open for research. Yeah I would say I want to go into Cardiology in the future, which was one of the main reasons, I took the b. S. C. Like if you are debating whether to do cardiology in the future or not just take the b s. C and see where it leads to you know If you cannot hit your bsc, but that could just mean that you don't have to do the cardiology as a carrier, so you can look at it as like a blessing in disguise, Now is the perfect time to experiment some exacting new fields uh new areas for research and cardiology. Mm It's kind of like an interview already uh let's see defibrillate us and heart failure maybe because currently the heart failures we just use pharmacological therapies, but now there's been research going into like defibrillators, i, cds crts, um in what class of patient's should they be used and just variable devices generally and technological devices. Yeah and yeah, I would see more of a technological wise like there's something called like ba, ventricular assist devices. They will help you to bump the heart as well. Those kind of stuff, yeah mhm, you're just very likely, it's very very likely you can get a publication. It's bs, you not everyone will get a publication, but it is very likely you can get a publication, so it depends on how lucky you are no worries happy finding. Other questions, yeah happy for any questions, uh so for the overall structure of the cause, so cardiology is assigned to be a c, and like all signs bs cs here the same structure, you have three, I see is in the first, um you have to I see is in the second term and you have to I see is in the final term and block one is where you do that. All the keating happens in the first, sorry, in the first term and the first term is plenty of three different blocks, block 12, and three, in block one. We learn about €8 sclerosis in an uh myocardial infarction in block two. We learn about cardiac electrophysiology and congenital heart disease and in block three. We learn about hard for you, so all these blocks happen in the first term and by december after that, you will have no more teaching from the cardiology process, so because your second term is just your group project and your individual assignment that is something that you have to completely do by yourself and your final term is your project, so the three assessments in the first term they add up to 30% of the grade. The two in the second term is 25% so the final 45% is because of your final project, how am I finding the cause. Uh I personally like the course very much, which is why I wanted you to help out for this event as well and get more of you to join cardio bsc, but I would also say that to be friends. It is not for everyone like I know a lot of my friends who are not enjoying the course, so there are all these two sides to it and yeah it is hard work, but because I like it because it's fun, I'm happy with the BSE have chosen the more you, it's kind of the more you put in the more you get out of it, That is the kind of be a seaters, It's definitely manageable yeah, um I think that it is definitely not impossible to get a first, in fact, I would say okay, I'm really not sure about the numbers, but I think that more than more than half the cohort get more than half the cardiology bsc people get it first. I think so this is just a hunch because I don't remember uh saying before that. I think that in the senior cohort two years about me, almost everyone got the first except for two people, and again, I'm not really sure how reliable this information is, but it is definitely possible to get a first, the supper from faculty is very good in the first term, especially where they give you lots of feedback and then in the second term, they want you to be a little bit more independent, so they give you less feedback, and in the final term, you don't really have feedback because you're doing your individual project, but if you ever feel that your surprises not responding to you, or if you have lots of problems, you can always go to the module lead or you can go to like the cost, lead They are always happy to help and all of the professors and tutors in cardiology are very uh very efficient, very effective, very nice, very kind the workload is, uh I would see a little bit hard, but yeah don't worry about it hey Ashwin at any point. Um From now, you're more than welcome to excuse yourself if you've got something else to get to this evening, but you also more than welcome to stay in the recording, will stop by itself and also, while I've got people's attention can you, please fill out the feedback. If you mentioned Ashwin. Specifically, if you mention Cardiovascular Sciences breakout room, I'll be sending the lovely feedback to him so um Please do right thanks for your right, so I guess I'll just answer this final question then. Um In terms of the cost structure, um cardiology is assigned to be s. C and like the other signs, bs cs, uh you have one we have three assessments in the faster, which is until december and which account for 30% of your grade. You have two assessments in january which is your second term, which is 25% of your grade, and you have two more assessments in the final term, which is the remaining 45% of your grade, so the final to assess, months will be your final year project, whereas the first tree tums, the first one is an editorial like 1000 word commentary, the second assessment is the oral power point presentation, and the final one is a data analysis task, where they give you a bunch of data and you just have to uh do very basic statistical test and try to come up with the narrative, saying like what is the point of the data, so that is the first term and uh for the second term, the two assessments one is going to be like a group literature review, where four or five of you work together to do like a literature review and another thing is uh something called science in context, so it's basically like a virtual patient. They'll give you all the case notes for a particular patient. I need to write like a case study about 1005 rewards on this patient, so it is this case study that is uh notoriously quite hard because they're a bit harsh on this particular case study, but the other assessments are quite uh not not so bad.