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so I'll just wait it. That's, uh So our next speaker is, uh, doctor Laura Macauley, who's a specialty doctor in neurology in Craigavon area Hospital. So thank you for joining us, Loren. And the thank you. Yeah, Um, my name is Laura McCauley and has described I'm especially doctor. So one of the questions that we were asked to discuss was how we ended up in our specialty. And, um, my route has been somewhat securitised. So I don't know if you got to listen to both Lara and then to Connor and your consult dating all the things I would have said as well. But basically, I had gone through, uh, foundation training and court surgical training. But actually, my interests were primarily for working abroad. And so my initial interest was knots in my knee. And then I converted into general surgery by doing my MRCS and applying for core training. And then we had a season abroad working in South Sudan. And then the civil war resulted in our return to Northern Ireland prematurely. And in that season of life, I already had two young Children and my husband got a consultant role in a local hospital. So I was looking for a role to kind of maintain my recognition and to continue my skill set. And urology was a job that I had done this part of my course surgical training. I have thoroughly enjoyed it, um, similar to what Connor described knee and T from quite early. Um, you can really participate in the team. You can learn skills that are really useful very early and can be very productive in your contribution to the team. So I'd really enjoyed that post. So when a job came available, especially doctor, at that time, it was appropriate for me to take that. And since then, it has been really interesting to see how well developed, especially doctor rule is and how it does give you options moving forward if you wish to continue to progress or if you wish to consolidate within the level that you are, um, I would echo Connors encouragement to consider both run through training or especially doctors as options. But I guess why urology? Um, so for me, I really enjoy the diversity of urology. Um, again similar to ent. You have a wide range from pelvic oncology, which is large reception. I'll surgery, you know, very complex. Lots of pelvic anatomy to simple day case procedures and everything in between. Um, it's very varied. You're doing laproscopic endoscopic open day case. Long casework. Um, also lots of therapeutic interventions that you can do. And often many people don't realize that up to 65% of G P referrals involve urology. So it's actually a very common ailment to have and really good to have experience of a knowledge of to be able to, uh, support patient's and support colleagues as well. Also, I would say urology is seen as a friendly specialty as well. Um, similar to what lower was describing. If you do choose to move into specialty specialist training or become a consultant, the on call out of ours is there's still an intensity to that. But, um, it is very well defined. And it is, um, less intense, maybe, than what general surgeons would experience the other advantage of considering urology. As uh, you enter it at S t three levels. So again similar to ent and breast, you do court surgery. So all the application process is R as per course surgery and then you have the national recruitment for urology. Eight s t three. There's a large document that gives exact breakdown of what you need. So, for example, what level can you do? A circumcision. What level can you do? Cystoscopy. What level can you do? Stems. So those are all things that are very specified. And therefore, if you are, um, either already foundation, uh, doctor, or are trying to get into court or whatever is happening, it gives you the procedures that you really want exposure to. And you really want to get, um, to meet people you're doing it. And who can give you some feedback on your progress? So, um, yeah, so I think it is a It's a It's a great specialty quality of life wise for me. I currently have four Children at home. I'm able to work less than full time hours, but still operate two or three days a week with a combination then of clinic and virtual home working, which is what I'm at today, um, whilst also then operating through the week. So I have found it to be a very rewarding specialty. And as Connor has described within the special doctor role, then has come increasing rules within management and within teaching. Um, which again is just a diverse, um, diversifying my experience of the role, which has been really enriching. Um, so, yeah, if you want to do urology, come and see us. Um, I don't think it's your chat. Uh, we also maybe some prejudices about urology is it's not all catheters. Also, it's not all men either. It's a it's male and female urology. And we also do have involvement with pediatrics from a young age as well with the issues that they have maldescent testes, um, fimosis different things like that right up to, um, end of life care and and everything like that. So, yeah, would, um, invite if you're interested in doing urology to speak to somebody who's involved in the specialty. And as I say state, as everyone has stated, um, offer your interest early, try and get involved with relevant um, uh, quality improvement projects or all the projects, and try and get along to theater scrubbin. Join us. Um, you'll be very, very welcome. Um, are there any questions anyone has specifically about urology or anything they'd like to ask? There's no questions in the chat box there. Um, Laura, are there any particular downfalls or negatives? Maybe dear specialty, that you can think. Yeah, I think, um, what you will discover is in every specialty, there will be the heart sinks. There will be the areas of practice that, um you just need to kind of keep pushing through. So in urology, for example, Um, P s a monitoring is a fairly tedious process. Um, so that's for people who have potentially been diagnosed with prostate cancer or who have, um, questions about prostate pathology. Um, so often there's a lot of outpatient virtual work of following up results like P S, A S or for Stone Patient's kidney Stone Patient's. They're often long term surveillance on scans. Um, so there can be some repetitive outpatient work in that regard because you're needing to spend time going through just lists of those kinds of result. However, obviously for each individual patient, those results really matter, and how you communicate about those results is really significant. But that can be a downside. Is that I think every specially probably has those things. The things that are just long term surveillance follow up type things that that take time so that can in one hand be great for continuity of care. But from a kind of, um yeah, When you see a long, long list of PS PSA is to work through, it can be a bit a bit of a heart, think. But as I say otherwise, um, I try to think of other downsides. Well, maybe just that everybody thinks every catheter is a urologist problem. So that's probably the other downside is that people seem to forget how to put a catheter in, Um, if they know urologist is around. So maybe that's one of the other downsides is, um, we're not catheter doctors. Um, but we are willing to help if if people are really stuck. So that's maybe one other downside is that Yeah, People can forget that they can put one in with one question, and I'm giving you your two minute warning at the same time. Uh, it's from Clare Sinton. She just says, just wondering, Did you apply, uh, straight from CST or did you do any surgical rage training? Um, so I again, my story is a bit circuitous, So I had done a short time of obscene gynie Reg training before I moved into court surgical training. After that, I then did medical educational fellowship, and I did breast surgery and emergency department medicine as part of that. And then I did further, um, obscene gynie to consolidate my skills before he went to South Sudan. And then when I was there, I was just the covering obstetrician gynecologist and general surgeon for Auroral hospital there. Um, So my I did, though, have my MRCs am be before I left. So, in applying for especially doctor rule, what they were looking for is experience within surgical specialty and ideally within, especially applied for, um, but also, uh, that you have your MRCs That's really important. Regardless of what path you take that you really as Lara said, get those exams and, um, get get them under your belt. Um, it does open a lot of doors for you. So, um, yeah, so that's kind of the direction I went in, but there's there's lots of options. Thank you. Dr McCauley. That's, uh that's, uh, Claire. Claire. Sentence just said thank you for that as well. Um, so yeah, that concludes our urology. Um portion of the career talk. Thank you so much, Doctor McCauley. Really insightful view, um, into your career in your career path. Um, So if everybody wants to move on now to their next breakout rooms. Thank you. Thank you.