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now, Um, just coming online here. We just wait till we get the live. There we go. We're definitely online now, So we've got Doctor Carmack eating as a consultant microbiologist in Craigavon. Going to give us a 10 minute chat down on infectious disease doctor marketing over to you. Great. Thanks, Tim. Um, so, yeah, infectious diseases and microbiology is a great choice. Um, and I'm happy to take any questions. I suppose the a couple of things to say about it is, um, there's there's lots of variety and lots of different, um, different aspects to the job and even, um, different rules and jobs within the specialty itself. The training is, um is really good fun. It's interesting. It's changed a good bit in the last few years. So there's a lot more, um, word based, time, patient, focused time clinic time, as opposed to, um, uh, lab and remote, uh, consultations. So that's really really improved things. And I think it made it a lot. A lot more applicable to to what we actually do in most places. Uh, what should I say? If you like? A few words are just about the pathway of the training. How did you How did you fall into the micro? Browse the world? Uh, by chance, probably. I would have to say it was always something I was a bit interested in in sort of infections. And, um, I think you know, all of the Yeah. Interesting and weird and wonderful things kind of always grabbed my attention, and then it just so happened whenever I was finishing core medical training. Um, I I had been a little bit disorganized and hadn't applied for, um, uh, specialty training and the microbiology jobs came up quite late, so that's partially why I ended up in it. But that's not to say I have. Uh, um, uh, I I certainly haven't regretted. It was very, um, enjoyable. And really, the couple of the first couple of years of training were really, really good fun. And, um, you could learn a lot very quickly, and, um, there's quite a lot of exams, but because you have to do MRCPI before you, then go into it, and then you have to do a Farsi path. But, I mean, lots of specialties are like that, and, um, you know, it's it's a bit of fun, you know? So, um, yeah, it's mostly people do now. Two years of I m t and then um d m r c p and then go into what's called combined infection training where you have six. Um, it's two years with six months placements in microbiology. Um, I d, um, Then six months in virology and G um, and HIV clinics. And then I think back to microbiology for another six months. And then you can either combine it with nothing. Or you can combine micro and I D. Or you can combine idea and virology. Or, um, there's, I think, um, some maybe one or two jobs in England, which are tropical medicine and microbiology. So there's quite a few different combinations, depending on where you apply to within the UK. Cool. Uh, Dr McKinney. Tell us, Kenneth, what's your what's your standard day at the minute? What? What is your day consist of? Um, so at the minute, I, um, mainly based in Craigavon. Um, but do cover Daisy Hill as well. So go there occasionally. And typical day would be, um, a mixture of answering, um, clinical advice calls mostly by the phone and on the computer and checking in with the lab to, um, see what new, significant blood cultures we have from the night before the day before following up on some of those results. And then we sort of get, uh, um referrals for more complex patient's that require an in person review. And we would have time set aside in the week where we'll do war drawings to review people either with complex infections or patient's that might be suitable for home antibiotic treatment or a pat, as we call it. So we do war drawings, Um, a couple of times a week, a few times a week between us for to review those patients'. Then in the afternoon, um, we would go to ICU to do, and I see you, uh, antibiotics around there and discuss all the patient's and their treatments and see whether there's, um, any new results for them and whether we need to make any changes in the antibiotic treatment. And in amongst all that, we probably quite often have some, especially during the last couple of years. We've had a lot of covid related work and trying to manage outbreaks of covid in the various words, and that's not a very popular job. So we take it in turns to do that, I can, I can imagine. Tell me, Doctor McKeen Um, we're kind of careers focused. So what's the kind of work life balance in your role at the minute? What's the kind of on call commitment? Can you tell us a wee bit about about that? Yeah, sure. So I suppose that it probably changes between from trust to trust and region to region but standard. I suppose it would be unusual for, um, I think anywhere for the the microbiologist on call to have to be in person in the hospital. So our own call is from home, and it's usually just, um, giving advice over the phone for any urgent. Urgent cases are very unwell, patient's or, um, occasionally. If, um, there's some infection control or outbreak management that has to be done. Um, so But a lot of it, yeah, would be, um, maybe a deteriorating patient. Or maybe somebody new that's got a lot of resistant organisms in the past or has multiple drug allergies or something that makes decisions around their antibiotics complex. So it's, um, it's usually not, uh, it's not. It's not too bad. Usually we here we do a week at a time, and, um, sometimes it will be so we'll get some busy evenings and busy weekends, but, um, not all of them. So it's It's a good It's a good work life balance. And the fact that you don't have to be in the hospital as well is, um, you know, can suit a lot of people. Sure, sure, I'm not going to be. We're in. We're in about the last minute or so, but it's just, I suppose, one of the things that stands out this may be not the same as elsewhere is you have that case specific side of the job, but also the bigger picture and that kind of managing outbreaks managing the bigger picture. Is that fair to say That's yeah, absolutely. That that's very fair to say, Um, there, that's it's It's a It's a really kind of balance between that. And, um, a lot of the bigger picture decisions are, or sometimes the more difficult ones because you're aware of the circumstances that that the rest of the hospital is in, and the shortage of beds and the ambulances queued up outside any and at the same time you're trying to contain, uh, an outbreak of covid or blue or whatever else? Sure. Doctor McKinnon. Thank you so much. Really appreciate it. Um, And folks, if invite you to just have a look at the breakout rooms, the next sessions, you can choose between pediatrics and radiology. Thanks very much, Sarah. Thank you. Thank you. See you guys.